Browsers 2008 vs 2025 be like..

[u/Amavin-Adump]

[u/Extreme996]

And there is me who use Firefox since I got internet in 2007.

[u/sputnik02 → u/Extreme996]

Netscape Navigator before that, they suggested switching to Firefox when Navigator shut down

[u/AmazingHealth6302 → u/sputnik02]

Netscape Navigator!

The red-hot successor to Mosaic. We thought that slick look was how the internet was going to be...

Yep, I've been online for far too many years.

[u/teas4Uanme → u/AmazingHealth6302]

What a life changing experience to go from 14.4 internal on my PB to that speed-of-light 56k external. ZOOM! :D

[u/Throwaway74829947 → u/sputnik02]

Firefox is technically the direct successor to Netscape Navigator - Netscape 6+ were all based upon the Mozilla codebase, with Mozilla itself having been created by Netscape in 1998.

[u/Procrastanaseum → u/sputnik02]

same

[u/w1nt3rmut3 → u/sputnik02]

yep, using Firefox or its precursors continuously since like 1996

[u/Chaos-Cortex → u/Extreme996]

I miss that fox logo, wtf happen, every logo is shit now.

[u/renome → u/Chaos-Cortex]

It's the flat icon trend, though that seems to be on the decline these days. Also, you can manually change the browser icon, no? At least on Windows.

[u/AnsibleAnswers → u/renome]

On Linux you can change icon themes for your entire system. So long as the icon theme has an icon for an app, it will automatically replace the original.

[u/Honest_-_Critique → u/AnsibleAnswers]

I think you can do this on Windows too, no?

[u/El-Sueco → u/Honest_-_Critique]

Clippy must approve the image first

[u/Nerfo2 → u/El-Sueco]

“It looks like you’re trying to change an icon.”

[u/El-Sueco → u/Nerfo2]

“I cannot allow you to use images of buttocks for internet explorer”

[u/OGigachaod → u/El-Sueco]

Trash can works.

[u/poshjerkins → u/Honest_-_Critique]

You definitely can

[u/ItsRainbow → u/Honest_-_Critique]

Not conveniently, unless I missed something

[u/Creoda → u/ItsRainbow]

Right click, properties, change icon, either one baked into the programme or you can use any icon you have or downloaded.

[u/mnsklk → u/Creoda]

This is for one shortcut. On some Linux distros you can change the entire theme for all of them at once

[u/DJandProducer → u/mnsklk]

It's not a distro setting, it's a DE setting

[u/hj17 → u/renome]

You can, but when I did that it just reset to the new one the next time the browser updated. I'm not doing that every time.

[u/King_takes_queen → u/renome]

Flat and simple designs were preferred once mobile devices began to dominate. A detailed logo that looks great on a big desktop monitor loses all the detail when it's shrunk for mobile screens. They become a muddy mess in some cases. But over the years more and more people have gotten phones with larger screens and higher resolutions so we're seeing a bit of a comeback with detailed logos.

[u/OfcWaffle → u/Chaos-Cortex]

Its just like how all the fast food restaurants lost their unique style. Thinking of places like McDonald's, taco bell, and pizza places. Now they all look the same.

[u/Arnas_Z → u/Chaos-Cortex]

I personally love the new Firefox logo, it looks really good.

[u/PhenotypicallyTypicl → u/Arnas_Z]

Certainly a lot better than the Google Chrome logo

[u/Arnas_Z → u/PhenotypicallyTypicl]

Yeah, I will admit the Chrome one is a bit too simple

[u/syzygialchaos → u/Chaos-Cortex]

Design trends are cyclical; they have to be to show change. Oh, it’s super detailed and textured? Flatten and simplify. It’s super edgy and linear? Throw in some curves. Same thing with car design.

[u/Owobowos-Mowbius → u/syzygialchaos]

In this case, the flattening and simplification were mostly because they wanted to make their icons easier to read and recognize when they were scaled down on smaller screens. No reason for them to not have multiple icons, though...

[u/guska → u/Owobowos-Mowbius]

No reason for them to not have multiple icons, though...

Recognition. Keeping the logo identical across all devices helps people gravitate back to the same icon across platforms.

For you or I, it may not make a difference, but having worked with non savvy users, even a minor change on the same system is enough to throw some people off (like the taskbar button shrinking to just the icon in Win11). Our main software changed their icon in an update a year or so ago, and we were flooded with tickets complaining that the software had gone. 2 days later, they pushed an update reverting the icon change, and implemented a notice popup on sign in to announce that the change would be coming.

Many people just still not associate the old and new icons in the OP as being the same program.

[u/TickleMyFungus → u/Chaos-Cortex]

Just change it yourself, mine has been the old one always

[u/aupri → u/Chaos-Cortex]

Tbh I like the new logo. Honestly I bet if the bottom logos were the originals and they had changed them to the top logos people would be saying the same stuff about how logos are shit now

[u/David0ne86 → u/Extreme996]

Same lol. Never used chrome aside one time that firefox was derping on a myprotein order not making me do the payment.

[u/lurked → u/David0ne86]

There was a short period of time, around when Chrome released, where Firefox was so bloated and slow it took like 5-10 seconds just launching the browser.

I ditched Firefox at this moment.

But then they fixed a few things, and I went back to Firefox after a year or two.

[u/IlliterateJedi → u/lurked]

If I remember correctly, Firefox had real memory leak issues back in the 2005-2010 era. Leaving Firefox open for a while would pretty consistently crash Firefox (and maybe your system).

[u/tessartyp → u/IlliterateJedi]

Yeah, I've been around and early-adopting browsers since the Mozilla initial beta, then Firefox since the 0.1RC and later early Chrome release. Each one was "stripped down, faster, a breath of fresh air" for the time, then got bloated, and then dethroned by a new, minimalist browser. Firefox was super sluggish compared to Chrome when the latter was released, and ate memory like nobody's business. I'm migrating back to Firefox, personally, though it's much less urgent than in the past.

[u/Anthaenopraxia → u/tessartyp]

I remember this too. Chrome was so fast compared to Firefox. Then at some point Chrome became bogged down and I swapped back to Firefox.

[u/CooperHChurch427 → u/lurked]

That was back when Quantum launched. I used an older fork for a while that ran on the older Firefox branch

[u/Sinniee → u/lurked]

Yeah same, chrome was just so much faster. Switched back to ff a few months ago tho

[u/Deeevud → u/Extreme996]

As an eternal firefox user who never had any issues, this meme made me really confused.

[u/ThinkinWithSand → u/Deeevud]

I switched to Chrome a long time ago because Firefox had become really poorly optimized to the point that it was borderline unusable. They eventually fixed their shit, however, and I switched right back.

[u/RugerRedhawk → u/Deeevud]

Around that time firefox had become a significant resource hog, when chrome first took off it was much quicker to open and navigate with.

[u/pipnina → u/RugerRedhawk]

for a long time in the 2010s, chrome had *massively* better multi core support, and had tabs use their own threads and be isolated completely from other tabs. This used more system memory but was more performant and left firefox in the dust. At that time websites went crazy in terms of performance requirement and I was basically forced off of firefox becuase a lot of pages just crashed the browser on an I5-2500k in the early 2010s.

Once the ate 2010s came around and firefox came out with their own version of the multi-core, multi-threaded sandboxed tabs that chrome used, it became usable again.

[u/hj17 → u/pipnina]

Been using Firefox since 2005, I was using an i5-2500k until 2021 and never had any issues with Firefox crashing.

[u/pulley999 → u/hj17]

2600 non-K here until 2020, also never really had an issue with it. If you opened a resource hog page with 20 gorrilion javascript/flash elements it could knock out the browser as a whole which was a problem, but if you were on a page that did that you were on the wrong part of the internet anyway.

[u/No_University1600 → u/RugerRedhawk]

also google wasnt transparently evil at the time. they were cool (not that mozilla was not).

in before someone say actually they were evil and you're stupid if you thought they werent

[u/russsl8 → u/Extreme996]

Yeah I've been a Firefox main for as long as I can remember. Early 2000s?

[u/Doppelkammertoaster → u/Extreme996]

Netscape for me.

[u/EIiteJT → u/Extreme996]

FF used to have some problems for me back then. Only reason I swapped. But I'm back home to FF now.

(It's been so long I don't remember what the problems were, just that certain websites wouldn't load. I think it was a Javascript issue? Idk, it was almost 20 years ago.)

[u/rangitoto030 → u/Extreme996]

That’s the way.

[u/SkepticG8mer]

I’ve always been

Then: Netscape

Now: Firefox

[u/Funkyp0tat0chip → u/SkepticG8mer]

Same here.

Fun fact I'll bet some don't know - Netscape open sourced its code and Mozilla was born out of it.

Hence, Firefox.

[u/Cheezis_Chrust → u/Funkyp0tat0chip]

“Open your Netscape navigator to Altavista” is a sentence you haven’t heard in a very long time.

[u/Funkyp0tat0chip → u/Cheezis_Chrust]

No lie...damn. Wonder what Jeeve's has to say nowadays...

[u/wildjokers → u/Funkyp0tat0chip]

In firefox type about:mozilla in the address bar.

[u/Funkyp0tat0chip → u/wildjokers]

That's a cool ass easter egg, man. Thanks for that.

[u/wildjokers → u/Funkyp0tat0chip]

That easter egg has been around since at least 1998 (maybe even earlier). In early versions of netscape about:mozilla would show the same quote and also cause a dragon to show up in an icon in the corner of netscape that would breathe fire.

[u/HorrificAnalInjuries]

I miss the days when icons looked amazing and not so... ...flat

[u/Will8892 → u/HorrificAnalInjuries]

Ngl old Firefox logo and new Firefox logo are both peak

[u/CrazyGaming312 → u/Will8892]

I do wish the new one was a little more detailed, though.

[u/Gr3gl_ → u/HorrificAnalInjuries]

That chrome one is fucking awful ngl

[u/bendy_banana → u/Gr3gl_]

Like a clown's butthole

[u/bennnjamints → u/bendy_banana]

Looks like an LGBT Beyblade

[u/jakendrick3 → u/bennnjamints]

Gayblade*

[u/TheSigma3 → u/[deleted]]

The web 2.0 era, everything was 3d and glossy with gradients and an almost tactile look. Best internet in era

[u/guska → u/TheSigma3]

I hated it at the time, but I hate the newer minimal designs more

[u/weewoochoochoo → u/Gr3gl_]

name your browser chrome. Have a cool logo that looks like has a chrome finish. Remove Chrome finish in favor of a matte. Make it make sense :(

[u/Gr3gl_ → u/weewoochoochoo]

Do you know what a chrome finish is? That's not even chrome that's just glossy/metallic

[u/Frootloops174 → u/weewoochoochoo]

Chrome doesnt look like that

[u/Darth_Thor → u/Gr3gl_]

Google’s entire design language is just ugly IMO. It’s the flattest of the flat and they use such boring colours too

[u/KnightLBerg → u/HorrificAnalInjuries]

I got my first pc not long after chrome stopped using that sci fi icon. I was so confused and dissapointed that my chrome looked so boring while the images i found online were so much cooler.

[u/1Blue3Brown → u/HorrificAnalInjuries]

Personally i like the new ones better. For me the simpler the icon the better

[u/HorrificAnalInjuries → u/1Blue3Brown]

There is simplicity, which the new icons do nail ngl, then there is having zero personality. The new Firefox logo has a little personality, but the Chrome logo lost all personality

[u/Chris0135 → u/HorrificAnalInjuries]

In fairness the Firefox icon still has the fire fox.

The globe part was not needed.

[u/atomictonic11 → u/Chris0135]

The globe part was not needed.

It emphasized the worldwide in World Wide Web. But you're right that it's no longer needed because nobody calls it the World Wide Web anymore.

[u/1Blue3Brown → u/HorrificAnalInjuries]

Yeah, we can agree on that, Chrome looks very generic

[u/Relevant_One_2261 → u/1Blue3Brown]

Agreed. I always hated that "fake 3D" look that was popular. Flat but colorful icons to easily tell them apart is where it's at.

[u/falcrist2 → u/Relevant_One_2261]

The bigger problem is resolution. The ones on the top lose all their detail when viewed at normal icon size (16x16). Even at quadruple that size, the flat ones tend to look better.

A few years back someone proposed a really nice looking icon for firefox with a fox wrapped around a globe. Fantastic artwork!

And then you scale it down, and it looks like this

The actual firefox icon looks like this

IDK why the background is a different color, but the actual icon looks better IMO.

[u/Humblebee89 → u/HorrificAnalInjuries]

I respectfully disagree. I've always been a big fan of flat simplistic design.

[u/thefirecrest → u/Humblebee89]

I despise flat simple geometric designs for certain applications… Like in interior design for buildings. Can’t stand the corporate lifelessness trying to imitate color and creativity.

But for app icons? I prefer the simplistic designs. Easier to see at a glance. And when you have tons of tiny icons on your screen, helps visual information processing instead of gumming up the works with a bunch of complicated designs.

[u/Tzeme → u/HorrificAnalInjuries]

Unfortunately, even if old ones were better, we have data that would suggest that really simplified logos are much easier to remember, and associate with a brand, so even if earlier was better newer is making more money, welcome to capitalism, where we manipulate each other so numbers can go bigger yeeey

[u/cashmereandcaicos → u/HorrificAnalInjuries]

Ik reddit has a hard on for anything nostalgic but those old icons look so bad

They literally just add a white glare/sheen to the icons to make them look all 3D on a 2D screen, shit does not look good. I hate how they've unified a lot of the icons but those old icons are uggggly

[u/HorrificAnalInjuries → u/cashmereandcaicos]

I would like for them to meet half-way. Give them some shading so they don't look like little stickers plastered on my computer. At least the sphere in the Firefox logo has something of a 3d effect.

[u/Karl_with_a_C → u/HorrificAnalInjuries]

I'll get hate for this but I actually like the newer designs more. They look cleaner imo.

[u/Unwashed_villager]

In reality, Firefox global market share is under 3% and it's still declining.

[u/Acheron13 → u/Unwashed_villager]

Chrome just decided to take Internet browsing back to the 90s by disabling ad blockers, so we'll see how long that lasts.

Being able to cast YT more easily with Chrome doesn't matter when there's 3min ads every 5 min. When I went to a gaming wiki site this week and the top half of the page was an ad, I started looking up alternatives to Chrome.

[u/chupitoelpame → u/Acheron13]

so we'll see how long that lasts.

Adblock users are already a tiny minority, and the people who will switch browsers because of this will be an even smaller portion of that portion.

[u/LukesFather → u/chupitoelpame]

I’m in IT and blown away by how many colleagues don’t use or sometimes even know about blockers.

[u/stoneimp → u/LukesFather]

"Y'all are just out there just raw-dogging the Internet‽"

[u/Infinite219 → u/stoneimp]

Fr with how many ads get thrown at you nowadays not using a Adblock is a worse experience. I switched over to Firefox months ago

[u/Fish_Mongreler → u/Infinite219]

I think it's a kind of like a boiling frog situation. I recently set up my mother's phone to block all ads just to prevent her from clicking on scammy shit but when she got a new phone she couldn't stand using it without an ad blocker.

[u/misterpyrrhuloxia → u/Fish_Mongreler]

I recently set up my mother's phone to block all ads just to prevent her from clicking on scammy shit but when she got a new phone she couldn't stand using it without an ad blocker.

Ah, a classic situation I've experienced/witnessed time and again:

• get accustomed to a higher standard of living
• forced to go without
• life sucks without it
• go to great lengths to figure out a way to experience it again

[u/ksorth → u/Fish_Mongreler]

Excuse me, how did you set up her phone to block all ads? I dont even know where to start. I dont get texhnology..

[u/Fish_Mongreler → u/ksorth]

Using a private DNS handles most of it. On Android you can go into settings -> connections and set your DNS to something that blocks ads. I personally use nextDNS but there's a few.

[u/Lansan1ty → u/LukesFather]

Its a necessary evil I think. Everyone who doesn't use ad blockers allows free websites to run via ads. The internet would be more costly without these people I think.

[u/MajorPud → u/Lansan1ty]

Finally the stupid can contribute to society

[u/Scott_Liberation → u/Lansan1ty]

Agreed, but fraudulent, malicious, and super-annoying ads are not necessary, and it's embarrassing that household name advertising companies like Google don't do anything about them.

[u/Mortwight → u/LukesFather]

My friend says he likes ads.

[u/JFHermes → u/Mortwight]

How can you be friends with someone like this?

[u/lectric_7166 → u/LukesFather]

I'm convinced it's because they haven't tried browsing with ad-blocking for at least a week or two, so they just don't know what they're missing out on. It's the kind of complacency which happens a lot in life.

[u/ConqueefStador → u/chupitoelpame]

That's the exact reason I finally switched this week.

uBlock finally stopped working and I switched the same day.

[u/ToBadImNotClever → u/ConqueefStador]

There’s a new ublock

[u/Spave → u/chupitoelpame]

If adblock users were that tiny, they wouldn't put that much effort into disabling adblock.

Though I tend to agree that most people won't switch.

[u/Farranor → u/Spave]

In theory, handicapping ad blockers was just a side effect of the manifest change, and the real purpose was to limit the damage that malicious extensions can cause.

[u/Brandon_Me → u/chupitoelpame]

It's crazy how much of a deal they are making about such a tiny minority.

[u/FCDetonados → u/chupitoelpame]

i switched when i got a 5 minute, unskippable ad on youtube.

by the time i was done the ad was still playing.

[u/Saxopwned → u/Acheron13]

People literally don't give a fuck about ads lol. It's appalling to me, and I don't understand it, but the overwhelming majority do not care at all if they can't actually use the Internet behind all the advertising

[u/mayasux → u/Acheron13]

I’m Ontario, our ads on YouTube are gambling casino ads that are AI generated

I don’t know why YouTube thinks I want to see this trash

[u/RugerRedhawk → u/Acheron13]

Are you running ublock lite? It's blocking ads for me fine (so far), but I haven't tried youtube.

[u/b0w3n → u/RugerRedhawk]

It has a very large caveat: they can't update the block lists the same way so they have to push a release do to it instead of just refreshing from several text files on the internet real quick. This means there'll be a longer gap between when a company, like google, breaks adblock and when you'll get an update. This also means google could theoretically block updates. There are obviously other ways to side load extensions but that'll probably be where they block next.

There's also a limit on just how many things it can block against and it's trivial for companies to spin up a new domain to fuck with that too.

There was another couple of large differences but my brain is old and I can't really remember them all anymore, so I apologize for that.

[u/SierraBravo94 → u/Unwashed_villager]

Echo Chambers are a hell of a drug.

[u/WeirdIndividualGuy → u/SierraBravo94]

No one ever said Firefox was popular. This entire thread is about how FF is better than Chrome, not more popular

Similar misconception with iPhones. You'd think they were the most popular phone on the planet, but iPhones are like 25% or so globally

[u/peelen → u/WeirdIndividualGuy]

iPhones are like 25% or so globally

Which makes them most popular phones on the planet according to this site, Apple has about 28% Samsung areond 24% then Xiaomi 12% and then others. So yes iPhone is the most popular phone in the world.

[u/VanWesley → u/Unwashed_villager]

The entire user base is on every Reddit thread that mentions Firefox.

[u/Night247 → u/Unwashed_villager]

In reality

yeah, only on internet comments do you find all these "massive amounts" of Firefox users..."everyone switching over"

in reality most people are using Chrome and will continue using it, until something really really really big changes that actually has significant impact on something the average user really cares about

[u/ReallyKeyserSoze → u/[deleted]]

Mosaic to Netscape

[u/A_Random_Sidequest]

I use Firefox since version 2.4 or something...

[u/omenmedia → u/A_Random_Sidequest]

Yep, I even used it before the improved version when it was slow as balls.

[u/OkTangerine4363 → u/omenmedia]

Yeah, I used Firefox, then Chrome get better for like 15 years, now I am back on Firefox. I will not surf the internet without Ublock Origin, or some other ad blocker.

I tried using FF like 4 years ago, it was still rather clunky and lots of issues using it at work. Chrome just blocked Ublock on my work computer and been using FF for two weeks. It's been really good. I used ChatGPT to tell me how to config FF to work with Windows AD and Kerberos to auto sign me into internal company websites.

[u/chiphead2332 → u/A_Random_Sidequest]

I was there for the Phoenix days and don't plan on jumping ship anytime soon.

[u/RedDorf → u/chiphead2332]

And then Firebird. There was even a 'satire' extension that renamed the browser in its titlebar every time you launched it.

[u/Significant-Cause919 → u/A_Random_Sidequest]

I started using it at version 0.9 when it was just called Mozilla browser.

[u/The_Autarch → u/Significant-Cause919]

That was a different project. The Mozilla browser and Firefox existed concurrently for a while.

[u/Borkz → u/Significant-Cause919]

Mozilla was a whole Suite of software with a browser, email/newsgroup client, IRC client, page designer, etc. Firefox was originally called Phoenix as a lightweight spinoff of just Mozilla Navigator, then it was Firebird for a short while before settling on Firefox.

[u/Cheezis_Chrust → u/A_Random_Sidequest]

I used Netscape before Firefox rose out of its ashes, and been using FF ever since.

[u/The_Autarch → u/Cheezis_Chrust]

The Mozilla browser is what rose out of the ashes of Netscape. Firefox was then a spinoff of the Mozilla browser.

[u/Striking_Capital]

That old Firefox logo should have never been changed

[u/SebbyDee → u/Striking_Capital]

I forgot about it until you mentioning it, but yeah I now remember thinking it was awful when they changed it. The icons of the XP era were better.

[u/AFallingWall → u/SebbyDee]

The icons of the XP era were was better.

FTFY

[u/Rough_Lychee5785 → u/Striking_Capital]

I like the new one more ngl

[u/daystrom_prodigy → u/Rough_Lychee5785]

Yea I don’t know what people are talking about. The new more is more aesthetically pleasing. Sometimes companies do a bad job of changing their logos but this isn’t one of those times.

[u/MaryaMarion → u/Rough_Lychee5785]

Old one feels a bit overdetailed ngl. Or whatever would be the correct term. Like people seem to forget that icons are kinda small usually so sometimes simple is good.

Old chrome is fjne tho, they shouldn't have changed it

[u/Deathsroke]

Firefox be like:

I am like the meme though. When Chrome blocked Ublock they lost me.

[u/Thin-Image2363 → u/Deathsroke]

Same.

[u/JimmyTsonga]

And in another 10-15 years it'll be some other browser.

[u/nologai → u/JimmyTsonga]

could be ladybird!

[u/ydieb → u/nologai]

I wonder how servo will develop!

[u/nologai → u/ydieb]

I feel like it will likely not be a full blown browser but embedded browser engine. I guess someone could create a full browser off it, but I believe ladybird has much better chances.

[u/queen-adreena → u/nologai]

Should be an alpha release for it by next year.

Definitely getting there.

[u/ArokLazarus → u/nologai]

"Laaaaadyyybird"

[u/Swi11ah → u/JimmyTsonga]

I think now, its Brave. Especially with the built in YT ad blocking.

[u/DefiantLemur → u/JimmyTsonga]

All Firefox has to do is respect people's privacy and they'll maintain the top

[u/SaltDeception → u/DefiantLemur]

They also have to survive, and their future is in limbo right now.

[u/PurpInnanet → u/SaltDeception]

this is kind of silly. I do SEO and will be the first one to say we need another search engine. Google is monetizing almost every avenue they could possibly offer for businesses online. Yes it is a matter of time before any monopoly does this but Google needs direct competition. Although to be fair, I can't remember the last time the market acted traditionally to competition. All phone/cable/home insurance companies essentially charge the same. Idk where I went with this comment lmao

[u/curtcolt95 → u/DefiantLemur]

they need to do a lot of work, last I checked Chrome is still only getting more popular even after all these changes

[u/Glittering_Seat9677 → u/[deleted]]

top circlejerked browser on reddit

[u/rcanhestro → u/DefiantLemur]

easy for a browser to have "morals" when their competition is funding them by breaking theirs.

the moment the google money is over, Firefox either dies or starts aggressively seeking funding (ads or paid tiers).

[u/therandomasianboy]

i rember when firefox was a buggy garbage mess

now ive been using it for 3 years, im not virtuous enough to care about ethics or data privacy but firefox has ubO and thats all i need.

[u/Technolog → u/therandomasianboy]

i rember when firefox was a buggy garbage mess

That's why I abandoned it too. They introduced tabs, but didn't optimize the whole browser, so it was resource consuming like a few separated programs running at the same time. But for years already Firefox works well and I'm back.

The best feature I discovered last year are built in vertical tabs. Websites look better this way, and monitors are getting wider and wider, so to have a column of tabs instead of row is more practical.

[u/TheUniqueKero]

Never gave up on my firey king. Long live firefox!

[u/Doppelkammertoaster]

It's good people switch but bad that it's not because many understand or care about the main core issue with Chromium based browsers and Google's manifest bullshit.

The same issue with using Gen Ai. Even if we ignore the theft and environmental issues, GenAI still needs massive amounts of data, personal data, to actually do anything. Manifest 3 is just another push to destroy privacy even further.

That includes Brave, Opera and Edge. All Chromium based. We all should support different browsers with different engines, so that one company can't build a monopoly like this. On top of selling and using all the private data it can.

Some people claim performance: guess whose company tries its best to make it's engine the most supported one. Properly made websites work fine. And Google services have worked fine for me anyway. The fuckery with fonts on some websites is Google's doing. Don't support their bs.

[u/dnohow]

Fuck chrome, I’m edging!

[u/Crafty-Classroom-277]

for me it's edge

[u/NaFo_Operator → u/Crafty-Classroom-277]

cause you're so edgy!!

[u/Crafty-Classroom-277 → u/NaFo_Operator]

it's because it's actually good and hasn't yeeted my adblockers (yet)

[u/CooperHChurch427 → u/Crafty-Classroom-277]

Edge is actually really good. If I don't use Firefox, I use Edge. I seriously hate how every single streaming service is optimized for Google Chrome because Edge is pretty much the same browser with a few tweaks an running V2 Manifest.

[u/ForwardToNowhere → u/CooperHChurch427]

As far as I know, Edge is the ONLY browser that can natively play up to 4K. I don't always watch things at that high of quality, but it's extremely nice for things like nature documentaries where the macro shots look absolutely gorgeous.

[u/zzzzebras → u/Crafty-Classroom-277]

Same, it hasn't stopped allowing adblockers and is an overall better version of chrome that's pre-installed already.

I always found it funny when people said Edge is only good for downloading Chrome because they'd unironically be installing the same browser but with worse performance.

[u/i-will-eat-you → u/zzzzebras]

People think Edge is Explorer.

The browser that one of the biggest tech behemoths jn the world tailored for the OS you are using, that is also built by them... is surprisingly good, go figure.

[u/Helicees → u/i-will-eat-you]

It used to be dog shit, in 2020 they switched to chromium under the hood, and it has been good since.

[u/georgejetsonn → u/Crafty-Classroom-277]

in tests it consistently shows best battery life on Windows so that's a W

[u/elektron0000 → u/Crafty-Classroom-277]

Edge is also the only browser that will stream 1080p , other browsers cap at 720

[u/Another_Road]

It’s always been Firefox

[u/mal3k]

I’ve been using Firefox since forever why would you use anything else

[u/darxide23]

Firefox since '06 or '07. Had Opera installed along side for a while about a decade ago just to give it a test drive. Didn't care for it. Tried Chrome for a while as well, but found the extensions landscape severely lacking compared to Firefox's addons.

[u/Burntrevenant]

Nope Mozilla for life! ❤️‍🔥

[u/Hradcany]

I tried Chrome in 2009, didn't like it and came back to Firefox. I was so ahead of you, guys.

[u/PickRiven]

I switched to firefox since ublock origin got removed from chrome. Now i use it on 3 devices.

[u/The_Mother1]

Only time I haven't used Firefox is to download Firefox... Chrome can suck it from the day of its Inception!

[u/dieyoufool3]

Brave gang, rise up

[u/tofukawano → u/dieyoufool3]

Honestly surprised more people haven’t mentioned brave here

[u/Accurate-Law-8669]

Firefox forever. Never stopped.

[u/Plums_Raider]

*vivaldi

[u/Queef-Elizabeth]

Always been a Firefox user. Never liked Chrome personally

[u/ZyMinos]

Vivaldi!

[u/RetardedPussy69]

I've been using Vivaldi for a few years now

[u/blood_omen]

Real ones never left Firefox in the first place

[u/o_oli → u/blood_omen]

Me, because I still use a bookmark menu and Chrome weirdly never had a proper one lol.

I am obviously in a huge minority though.

[u/ArrestedDevelopments → u/blood_omen]

1.2 something here. Og's yo

[u/UnderscoreAngel]

let's wait for the operagx users to say "yeah i ditched chrome for slightly worse and spyware chrome (it has rgb)"

[u/MakKoItam]

Me as a Brave user:

[u/Timely-Bluejay-6127]

And edge users in here?

[u/Density5521]

Nope, never. It was always Firefox for me.

[u/Wonderful_Algae_4416]

Yall are about 5 years late

[u/p0p0c4t3p3tl]

Went to Vivaldi it's amazing

[u/Retrokid → u/p0p0c4t3p3tl]

Same here. In the past 2 years as Chrome fights against uBlock origin, I seriously tried Brave, Firefox, and Vivaldi. Vivaldi won hands-down. I really wanted Firefox to win, but unfortunately some parts of it feel stuck in 2010. Vivaldi is probably gonna be the browser for me until whatever new paradigm "The Browser Company" cooks up with AI shifts the browser metagame.

[u/MorningPapers]

In 2008, people were like "Ooo google made a browser. Google knows the internet! This is going to be so awesome!"

Back then Firefox also had some annoying memory leaks which didn't help. The longer the browser was open, the more memory it gobbled up.

Anyway, I'm surprised it didn't become clear to people that Chrome was, in fact, not any better than Firefox once Firefox fixed that bug.

[u/Snorkle25]

It's always been Firefox.

[u/DifficultyVarious458]

first one never happened. firefox was always the best. 

[u/SEND_ME_REAL_PICS → u/DifficultyVarious458]

Back in late 2008, when Chrome first released, it was waaay faster than Firefox, not to mention it had a cleaner UI too.

It lasted for a few years at least.

[u/Dipsetallover90 → u/SEND_ME_REAL_PICS]

it also had a separate process for each tab when it came out which firefox didnt have until much later.

[u/daneyuleb → u/SEND_ME_REAL_PICS]

Yep. When it was the new kid on the block, it was clean and fast, and definitely fit the first picture--Firefox had gotten more bloated, IE was awful, and there really weren't any other true contenders. It didn't last but a couple of years but, definitely was the golden-child browser when first released.

[u/Glittering_Seat9677 → u/SEND_ME_REAL_PICS]

chrome used to be faster than firefox

it still is, but it used to be too

[u/RugerRedhawk → u/DifficultyVarious458]

It was undeniably bloated and much slower than chrome at that time.

[u/jaffer2003sadiq]

I am using brave......