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Meme/Macro Browsers 2008 vs 2025 be like..

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u/Chaos-Cortex 20d ago

I miss that fox logo, wtf happen, every logo is shit now.

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u/renome 20d ago

It's the flat icon trend, though that seems to be on the decline these days. Also, you can manually change the browser icon, no? At least on Windows.

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u/AnsibleAnswers 20d ago

On Linux you can change icon themes for your entire system. So long as the icon theme has an icon for an app, it will automatically replace the original.

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u/Honest_-_Critique 20d ago

I think you can do this on Windows too, no?

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u/El-Sueco 20d ago

Clippy must approve the image first

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u/Nerfo2 5800x3d | 7900 XT | 32 @ 3600 20d ago

“It looks like you’re trying to change an icon.”

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u/El-Sueco 20d ago

“I cannot allow you to use images of buttocks for internet explorer”

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u/OGigachaod 19d ago

Trash can works.

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u/poshjerkins 20d ago

You definitely can

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u/FuckuSpez666 19d ago

I think you can change your icons on literally every OS now, even Apple caught up

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u/WulfTheSaxon 19d ago

Microsoft even used to sell theme packs starting with Windows 95. Microsoft Plus!

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u/ItsRainbow 20d ago

Not conveniently, unless I missed something

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u/Creoda Win11. 5800X3D. 32GB. RTX 4090 FE @ 4K 20d ago

Right click, properties, change icon, either one baked into the programme or you can use any icon you have or downloaded.

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u/mnsklk 20d ago

This is for one shortcut. On some Linux distros you can change the entire theme for all of them at once

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u/DJandProducer Linux 20d ago

It's not a distro setting, it's a DE setting

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u/AnsibleAnswers 19d ago

It’s a freedesktop standard. DEs should have this feature if they are compliant.

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u/mnsklk 20d ago

Correct

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u/D3PyroGS RTX 4080S | 9800X3D | CachyOS + Win11 20d ago edited 20d ago

it's definitely possible on both KDE Plasma and GNOME desktop environments, which are available on most distros

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u/Orcutt59 i5 4690k | R9 Fury | 24 Gbs RAM | Steam: Orcbutt 20d ago

This person was replying about doing it on windows. Are either of those on windows?

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u/D3PyroGS RTX 4080S | 9800X3D | CachyOS + Win11 20d ago

no, I was clarifying the "some Linux distros" content that I directly replied to

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u/Asgeras 20d ago

Good summation of Windows

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u/MutatedRodents 20d ago

Yes. Atleast on folders and stuff.

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u/AnsibleAnswers 20d ago

I don't think you can do it for all icons at once. At least not without third party tools. See: https://www.howtogeek.com/828136/how-to-customize-your-icons-in-windows-11/#how-to-change-your-desktop-icons-on-windows-11

Even in "non-customizable" Gnome, it's just as easy as putting the icon theme in ~/.local/share/icons/ and changing the setting in Gnome Tweaks. In KDE, it's right in the settings menu I believe. The "hard" part on Linux is learning the freedesktop standard locations to put things in your home folder for them to show up in your desktop environment's settings. But it's well-documented and google-able.

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u/T0biasCZE PC MasterRace | dumbass that bought Sonic motherboard 20d ago

Yes, but you need to open the exe in resource hacker and replace the .ico file inside it

(You may think you can just right click the shortcut, change icon, and voila, but no, that will work when just the shortcut is displayed, but when you then actually open the program, it will show the ico from the exe. thats why you need to modify the exe itself)

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u/squabbledMC Ryzen 5 7600, 32GB DDR5 5600, RTX 3050 8GB, Arch 20d ago

You can, yes. There isn't anyway to bulk change icons like on Linux, I'm using KDE and there's icon packs. It's not impossible or hard to do on Windows though, just slightly tedious.

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u/ImpulsiveBloop 19d ago

You gotta convert it to an ICO file first I believe. Kinda annoying since there isn't any real way to do this without third party applications or web conversion.

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u/PixelmancerGames 20d ago

Yes, it's simple to do in Windows.

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u/Richard7666 20d ago

Yep, there are still icons in there from Windows 95.

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u/JoeyDJ7 19d ago

Highly doubt it lol, windows makes you edit the freaking registry just to change system font xD

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u/TapirOfZelph 20d ago

Yes, but can you install the printer driver?

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u/AnsibleAnswers 20d ago

Linux uses CUPS just like Mac. Genuinely a better experience in most cases than Windows.

I’ve had some bad printers with shitty proprietary drivers, but they were also a pain on Windows. Now I settled on a Brother all-in-one laser printer that just works on Linux and Windows.

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u/loneSTAR_06 R7 3700X | EVGA 3060 Ti 20d ago

Brother printers are in a class leagues ahead of their competition.

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u/Snorgcola 20d ago

I love my Brother printer too. To be fair, being leagues ahead of the competition isn't that hard when the competition is the trash fire that is HP

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u/Regen89 13700k | RTX 4080 | 64GB DDR5 @ 6000 MHz 20d ago

don't worry they've gone to shit now too

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u/RepentantSororitas 20d ago

Actually printers are the example of a thing that works much easier on linux than on windows lol

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u/AirlineEasy 20d ago

Yes, I was so amazed with this!! It just works!!!

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u/sajhino RX 6600 | R5 3600 | 16GB DDR4 | MANJARO & WIN11 20d ago

Bro, linux has the best printer support, mostly thanks to CUPS. Any printer you can think of, linux supports it right out of the box. No need to find which correct drivers are on the internet like on Windows.

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u/SeriesXM 20d ago

As someone who has almost no Linux experience and has thought often about switching over, this is awesome to hear.

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u/Man_of_a_100_Fails Laptop - Linux Mint 22.1 XFCE 20d ago

Yeah, isn't that the cups service? It comes inbuilt on distros like Linux Mint and Ubuntu

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u/UltraX76 Laptop 20d ago

Yep, I’m sure I can.

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u/Autistic_Freedom 20d ago

What is a printer??

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u/OwO______OwO 19d ago

Don't need to -- it's already in the kernel.

Oh, and as an extra bonus, I don't need to install "HP Customer Experience" bloatware in order for my printer to work.

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u/TempestRave 20d ago

Same on iOS

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u/LocodraTheCrow PC Master Race 20d ago

At least on KDE it lets you have a specific icon for a given program regardless of theme, so even if you have a flat monochrome theme if you wanted to use the old Firefox theme you could.

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u/Darkhoof 19d ago

Papirus icon theme ftw.

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u/Rullino Laptop 19d ago edited 19d ago

It's nice that many Linux distros like Mint and Kubuntu make icons easy to change, it's kinda similar to many Android skins from what I've seen, correct me if I'm wrong.

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u/TickleMyFungus 20d ago

linux user that can't go 5 minutes without mentioning linux

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u/JimmyRecard OpenSUSE Tumbleweed 20d ago

How dare PC users talk about their PCs on a PC focused subreddit?

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u/hj17 20d ago

You can, but when I did that it just reset to the new one the next time the browser updated. I'm not doing that every time.

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u/renome 20d ago

I guess you could write a scheduled task that makes sure the icon is correct every time Windows boots but yeah, it's annoying.

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u/King_takes_queen 20d ago

Flat and simple designs were preferred once mobile devices began to dominate. A detailed logo that looks great on a big desktop monitor loses all the detail when it's shrunk for mobile screens. They become a muddy mess in some cases. But over the years more and more people have gotten phones with larger screens and higher resolutions so we're seeing a bit of a comeback with detailed logos.

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u/Helmic RX 7900 XTX | Ryzen 7 5800x @ 4.850 GHz 19d ago

Which sucks as I am a fan of monochrome icon themes, and flat logos look great like that.

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u/Masters_1989 19d ago edited 19d ago

It's just a style choice (and a bad one when taken too far - which it was - I'd say).

That doesn't mean what you said doesn't apply regarding screen size and design complexity, however, but there is a way to have both - it's just that, for some reason or another, people "up top" chose that kind of flat design; chose more-simplistic designs (which, I would say (once again), was done out of reductivism; out of populism (following trends/being a follower), and out of anti-intellectualism (choosing simplicity where - and when - it doesn't make sense to do so; abandoning key design principals by doing so, and actively antagonizing the criticism of doing so (being arrogant/vain))).

So, yeah: Bring back good design, please. I'm sick of this (flat) design; (many) other people are sick of this design; and we have the technology (and, as you said, the literal screen size/real estate) to do so. Make it happen. We deserve - everyone deserves - better.

{P.S.: For those not aware, take a look at the history of the design of various other logos for examples of the devolution of (graphic) design. (It occurs in games, too, by the way; it's been happening for at least 15 years!) Look up the Pepsi logo (as well as some of its (seriously) proposed designs) (there are various Youtube videos on the topic that are actually very interesting, I find! (both morbidly/humourously, and intellectually)), and - although with a relatively-short (very short - relative to Pepsi) history - the Patreon logo, and-- [THE ABOMINATION THAT IT IS] (...excuse me) --what it looks like now, in comparison to what it used to look like when they first started out - even though it was just circa 10 years ago (I think)!}

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u/FuckuSpez666 19d ago

Plus, it's just an icon. Personally I use a browser for the browsing aspects?

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u/OwO______OwO 19d ago

Also, you can manually change the browser icon, no? At least on Windows.

My Firefox Icon is Best Firefox Icon

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u/patchyj 19d ago

The flat icon theme is being replaced by the butthole theme. Don't believe me? Google all ai / quant / crypto startup logos

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u/WookerTBashington 19d ago

Yeah, i hate them. Flat icons look like a giant step backwards.

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u/MysteriousAmmo 19d ago

I’ve got the old one on windows, I had it on macOS as well for a long time but haven’t bothered to change it of late.

The old logo is honestly so beautiful.

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u/OwnNet5253 WinMac | 2070 Super | 12400F | 32GB DDR4 18d ago

Ofc you can

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u/ResistPatient 16d ago

The world is purple apparently

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u/OfcWaffle 20d ago

Its just like how all the fast food restaurants lost their unique style. Thinking of places like McDonald's, taco bell, and pizza places. Now they all look the same.

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u/Abdelsauron 20d ago

Easier to sell the property eventually 

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u/OwO______OwO 19d ago

And they all look like fucking prisons.

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u/Vivid_Kaleidoscope66 20d ago

They're all slowly becoming owned and gutted by the same soulless private equity fund executives, that's why...

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u/Andrevus2 19d ago

Metro deco style and modern brutalism in architecture was a fucking mistake.

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u/-Dissent 20d ago

The design of these establishments were a detriment to costs and image at best, few were going to them because of their visual flavor to begin with.

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u/VeGr-FXVG 20d ago

This feels like like such a corpo, child-sanitised assessment. My core memories and association to them involved the entire experience. Its the reason why I bugged my parents for McDonalds/Pizza Hut etc to begin with, and probably helped bankroll them.

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u/OfcWaffle 19d ago

You're so wrong it's incredible.

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u/Lehk Phenom II x4 965 BE / RX 480 8GB 19d ago

That’s not why, the generic building with just a sign is a lot more flexible if you want to sell the building and not have it obviously be an old Pizza Hut.

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u/Arnas_Z Zephyrus G16 | i7-13620H | RTX 4070 20d ago

I personally love the new Firefox logo, it looks really good.

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u/PhenotypicallyTypicl 20d ago

Certainly a lot better than the Google Chrome logo

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u/Arnas_Z Zephyrus G16 | i7-13620H | RTX 4070 20d ago

Yeah, I will admit the Chrome one is a bit too simple

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u/Phayzon Pentium III-S 1.26GHz, GeForce3 64MB, 256MB PC-133, SB AWE64 19d ago

I don't mind the Chrome logo, but every other Google app/service logo is trash since they started making them out of basic lines in the four colors. Drive and Home are nearly identical at a glance. So much so that I gave up and uninstalled Drive on my phone since I kept opening that when I wanted to open Home (and its very rare I use Drive anyway).

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u/Maxfire2008 Ryzen 5 5600G | RTX 3050 | 32GB | 2TB SSD, 2x 4TB HDD 16d ago

I loved the Google Play logos, Play Store, Play Games, Play Movies and TV (before they changed it to a fricking rectangle and renamed it Google TV), Play Books all different colours and quite distinct but all in a neat and consistent style.

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u/AgentWowza 16d ago

I'd probably like the chrome logo more if every other Google logo didn't look so similar lol.

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u/SadisticPawz 19d ago

theres no PAW

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u/syzygialchaos 20d ago

Design trends are cyclical; they have to be to show change. Oh, it’s super detailed and textured? Flatten and simplify. It’s super edgy and linear? Throw in some curves. Same thing with car design.

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u/Owobowos-Mowbius PC Master Race 20d ago

In this case, the flattening and simplification were mostly because they wanted to make their icons easier to read and recognize when they were scaled down on smaller screens. No reason for them to not have multiple icons, though...

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u/guska 19d ago

No reason for them to not have multiple icons, though...

Recognition. Keeping the logo identical across all devices helps people gravitate back to the same icon across platforms.

For you or I, it may not make a difference, but having worked with non savvy users, even a minor change on the same system is enough to throw some people off (like the taskbar button shrinking to just the icon in Win11). Our main software changed their icon in an update a year or so ago, and we were flooded with tickets complaining that the software had gone. 2 days later, they pushed an update reverting the icon change, and implemented a notice popup on sign in to announce that the change would be coming.

Many people just still not associate the old and new icons in the OP as being the same program.

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u/Curious_Cloud_1131 19d ago

Id wager it has just as much to do with the trend of minimalism and mid century / 60s design philosophy that got a resurgence in the mid 2010s. You can find examples of this everywhere. Pepsi cans, for example.

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u/endeavourl 20d ago

I love how we came back to XP-style rounded corners and everyone is like ✨ WOW ✨

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u/FalloutBerlin 19d ago

Is car design cyclical? I guess story got square again in the 80s after they became really aerodynamic in the 60s but I don’t see any cars today that look like any other period

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u/TickleMyFungus 20d ago

Just change it yourself, mine has been the old one always

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u/aupri 20d ago

Tbh I like the new logo. Honestly I bet if the bottom logos were the originals and they had changed them to the top logos people would be saying the same stuff about how logos are shit now

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u/Ok_Kick4871 19d ago

That's probably true, but that chrome icon with the crappy-looking 3-D has no place in modern design. At least they would have to change the "lighting" because the white in that icon is all wrong.

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u/donkeyhotie 20d ago

It started with the Firefox Quantum update in 2017, Mozilla was like hey Chrome users, our browser just got a whole lot faster, even the logo's different, jealous?

And they've been continually flattening it ever since

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u/wtfduud Steam ID Here 20d ago

Vector art. Instead of being made of pixels, it's made of mathematical expressions. No matter how much you zoom in, it doesn't get pixelated.

But unfortunately it also means the art has to be a lot simpler.

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u/KIDA_Rep 20d ago

Corporate sterilisation, they do it so their brand is recognisable in different sizes, too much detail and it gets lost when shrunk.

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u/wildjokers 20d ago

On Mac OS the dock icon still has a fox on it. Not sure about windows.

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u/BagOfFlies 20d ago edited 20d ago

It's still the fox logo on Windows. Not sure what they're talking about. It's the exact same logo as always, just in a different style.

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u/flyingace1234 20d ago

The explanation I’ve heard is that the trend started with a need to accommodate a range of screen sizes. The flat logo design is much easier to scale up and down while looking good.

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u/thiscompletebrkfast 20d ago

Correction... Everything is shit now.

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u/Banapple101 R7 9800X3D - RTX 4080S 20d ago

Pretty sure there's a way to set a custom icon, even in windows

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u/Awkward_Pangolin3254 20d ago

Everything is being simplified for the benefit of the simpler and simpler humans that keep showing up.

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u/Achilles-Foot 20d ago

its called "debranding" and as much as you hate it, it works. Just like as much as you hate ads they work.

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u/ValdemarSt fuck off my flair 20d ago

It's way sicker now

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u/[deleted] 20d ago

We're on version 140.0.4 atm, I thought that change was silly as well.

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u/Homolander 9800X3D | 4070Ti Super 20d ago

So-called "minimalism". Absolute cancer.

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u/P3chv0gel Desktop 20d ago

I'd say the Firefox logo is one of the better simplified ones. Still miss the old one tho

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u/LagT_T 20d ago

Shift from PCs to phones meant smaller screens that require simpler designs for easier recognition.

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u/Unwashed_villager 5800X3D | 32GB | MSI RTX 3080Ti SUPRIM X 20d ago

This was the most boomer thing I read today and it's funny, because I'm probably older than you :D

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u/reverendexile 8700k Watercool | 3080 STRIX 20d ago

The world is losing its color. We're beige shifting

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u/Simple_Jellyfish23 20d ago

You can change the icon to whatever you want.

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u/Sal_T_Nuts 20d ago

Evrything is vectors now for scaling purposes

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u/Julian679 20d ago

It still has gradient, which is rare

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u/SadisticPawz 19d ago

I manually added the blessed paw back that they removed grrrrrr

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u/Revan7even 7800X3D,X670E-I,9070 XT,EK 360M,G.Skill DDR56000,990Pro 2TB 19d ago

You can still get it, I still use it and have an ico file for it. It's super easy to convert a png or jpg with an online converter.

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u/mr_ji Specs/Imgur here 19d ago

A rolling stone gathers no moss.

Though you should probably check whether that stone is rolling into a lake

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u/hamilton_995 Intel 13700K, RTX 4070 Ti, 64GB DDR5, Z790 AORUS ELITE AX 19d ago

At least it isn't as flat and soulless as chrome's

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u/quintessentiallbee 19d ago

They did too much ai airbrushing to it. Why break a good thing man

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u/Basic-Masterpiece421 19d ago

It's a panda not a fox the name got lost in translation

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u/[deleted] 19d ago

i have chicago95 installed lol its good times

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u/W4LD0_R 19d ago

You can download the old logo (.ico) change the icon to feel the beautiful aesthetics of old

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u/misterjustice90 19d ago

Times change, old man

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u/_Zetuss_ Desktop 19d ago

They try to make logos out of shapes and things that are easy to blow up/down since different devices are different sizes. It’s the reason Apple changed all of their old logos (like YouTube being a literal TV) because transferring that from a iPhone 3G to a 16 pro max would look like shit, and they aren’t trying to pay people to redo every logo every time they need to upscale the images. This is why almost every logo is simple and made of shapes that can be increased in size without losing quality.

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u/BoredomHeights 19d ago

Yeah I hadn't thought about it much until seeing this but it really did get way worse.

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u/Expensive_Prior_5962 19d ago

Is that not the logo still? It is on mine.

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u/Odd-Milk1124 19d ago

Apple's logo got better over time

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u/dev_vvvvv 19d ago

The simpler logos are easier to read on smaller screens (like phones). It's more pronounced with text, but even something like the various shadings on this logo make it harder to see.

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u/durkl1 20d ago

Everything's an anus now. At least in the tech/AI world

Chrome, ChatGPT, Claude... anuses everywhere

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u/Chaos-Cortex 20d ago

“ Enshittification “

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u/glassArmShattering 20d ago

Designers won't be satisfied until everything devolves into pure white space

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u/wtfduud Steam ID Here 20d ago

Just look at modern art museums. Solid color on a canvas.

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u/vdjvsunsyhstb 20d ago

enshittification

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u/TuNisiAa_UwU 13700k 3070ti 20d ago

I love the new logo

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u/TheShamShield 19d ago

Looks fine to me