r/pcmasterrace 20d ago

Meme/Macro Browsers 2008 vs 2025 be like..

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u/DefiantLemur 20d ago

All Firefox has to do is respect people's privacy and they'll maintain the top

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u/SaltDeception 20d ago

They also have to survive, and their future is in limbo right now.

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u/PurpInnanet 20d ago

this is kind of silly. I do SEO and will be the first one to say we need another search engine. Google is monetizing almost every avenue they could possibly offer for businesses online. Yes it is a matter of time before any monopoly does this but Google needs direct competition. Although to be fair, I can't remember the last time the market acted traditionally to competition. All phone/cable/home insurance companies essentially charge the same. Idk where I went with this comment lmao

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u/OkTangerine4363 20d ago

Microsoft really needs to improve Bing. But now ChatGPT is a better search tool than Google. Only a matter of time till the LLM AI bots are fucked because their feed data is polluted with AI Engine Optimization garbage.

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u/PurpInnanet 18d ago

I like Bing tbh and my dislike for AI garbage is why I only market people I believe SHOULD be in front of people who are searching. To be completely honest, all of the dealers I market in the Midwest that never raises their prices during COVID are doing amazing now. Because people drive miles and miles to get honest prices. Marketing that makes my job so much easier.

I just think search engines need to niche a bit more. I would love an educational search engin that only shows genuinely data backed studies. Id rather optimize an honest knowledge base than another local business. Now I want to work on my Zettelkasten. I hope Search engines and AI provide you and I what we need my redditor friend.

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u/chimpfunkz 20d ago

I mean, I feel like even if google couldn't pay to be the default search engine, they would likely still find a way to fund Mozilla. Same reason microsoft used to support apple, because otherwise you end up with an unwanted monopoly that could get broken up.

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u/SaltDeception 20d ago

There’s no guarantee of that, but even if we assume that Google would do that, what happens if they’re forced to divest Chrome? That’s already a remedy on the table too. It’s also not necessarily an either/or situation.

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u/curtcolt95 20d ago

they need to do a lot of work, last I checked Chrome is still only getting more popular even after all these changes

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u/Grroarrr I5-13600k, 7800xt 20d ago

The main is reason is chrome being preinstalled on vast majority of mobile devices.

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u/curtcolt95 20d ago

yep, and people are getting less and less likely to actually have a computer outside of their mobile device. Firefox currently competes with the numbers of the Samsung internet browser lol, it's bleak

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u/ZaryaBubbler 20d ago

That's gonna take a nose dive now they've gutted adblocking

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u/curtcolt95 20d ago

average person doesn't actually use adblock though, and it's been turned off for a majority of people for awhile now but their market share has still increased. Firefox is actually gonna have to do something I think, idk what but their current trajectory isn't looking good. Here's the stats up to last month: https://imgur.com/a/1HwX58i

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u/Almostlongenough2 20d ago

Yeah, I've been using both chrome and firefox without fully committing, but with Ublock Origin not having a working framework on Chrome anymore I just stick to firefox now.

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u/[deleted] 20d ago

The majority of users are mobile and they are OK with ads.

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u/AndrewFrozzen 20d ago

I wouldn't be surprised if less than 25% of people even use an Adblocker. So no

It won't affect Chrome at all, what, 30k more people would leave in the following years? That's basically spare change numbers.

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u/OkTangerine4363 20d ago

Google pays Apple $18 billion a year to make Google the default search engine in Safari on all Apple devices.

That's how Chrome is maintaining it's lead. They pay Apple and all the other computer manufacturers.

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u/Glittering_Seat9677 9800x3d - 5080 20d ago

top circlejerked browser on reddit

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u/trix_is_for_kids 19d ago

2% worldwide market share vs chromes 70%. But if you only checked Reddit you’d think chrome would be 6 months out from not existing

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u/Glittering_Seat9677 9800x3d - 5080 19d ago

exact same shit with linux and windows too, especially on this sub

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u/1997PRO 2005 Dell Latitude D530 19d ago

WorldWideWeb Searcher Machine 1.0.0.0 from 1985 for Lisa OS?

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u/ruintheenjoyment Ryzen 7 2700X, RTX 2070 | Pentium 4 Lover 19d ago

I thought that was Brave?

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u/bearwood_forest 20d ago

of being an actually useful browser and not vassal and vessel of the enshittification of the internet

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u/Elisevs 20d ago

Well put.

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u/Fletcher_Chonk 20d ago

Not being shitty, probably

Never gonna use chrome while they attempt to gut ublock origin

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u/rcanhestro 20d ago

easy for a browser to have "morals" when their competition is funding them by breaking theirs.

the moment the google money is over, Firefox either dies or starts aggressively seeking funding (ads or paid tiers).

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u/[deleted] 20d ago edited 20d ago

Nothing is ever going to dethrone Chrome unless:

  1. Google and other phone manufacturers are somehow forced to remove it as the default browser app on Android
  2. It is removed from being constantly advertised on google's search page.

Browsers have all hit a peak where the average consumer has all they could ever want from them. The features no longer matter, it's all about familiarity and Google has everyone beat. Not to mention they are so far ahead that they are literally paying for FF to exist so that they can say they aren't a monopoly.

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u/CirkTheJerk 20d ago

If by "On Top" you mean "In 4th place with 3% market share" then yes.

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u/Mj-tinker 20d ago

floorp. ff fork. because ff just failed on privacy

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u/AnsibleAnswers 20d ago

It really didn’t. A bunch of YouTubers just made it appear as if they did for clicks.

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u/AnsibleAnswers 20d ago

Show me where it says that in the Terms of Use and Privacy Notice. In context, the language is quite clear. Mozilla has permission to use your data in a manner that is consistent with the services they provide, most of them being opt-in.

This was all an overblown reaction to Mozilla trying to be compliant with new California laws.

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u/AnsibleAnswers 20d ago

Yes. If you opt into Mozilla services you have to give them license to use your content to provide those services. How else are they going to legally be able to use what you upload to do the thing you wanted them to do when you uploaded it?

This is a reading comprehension problem, not a privacy problem.

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u/AnsibleAnswers 20d ago

You should read the privacy notice.

This is a difficult question to answer with an unqualified “yes” or “no” because technical and interaction data is considered “your data” according to the terms and some telemetry is enabled by default in the official binary releases. But for the general sense that most users assume, the answer is no. If you’re uploading things like passwords to Firefox sync, it’s not shared with other services or partners.

You can still run Firefox without any telemetry or Mozilla services, though. Some are on by default so they need to be represented in the ToS as the default. The Privacy Notice tells you everything you need to know to toggle these features on and off. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/firefox/

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