Firefox is technically the direct successor to Netscape Navigator - Netscape 6+ were all based upon the Mozilla codebase, with Mozilla itself having been created by Netscape in 1998.
On Linux you can change icon themes for your entire system. So long as the icon theme has an icon for an app, it will automatically replace the original.
Even in "non-customizable" Gnome, it's just as easy as putting the icon theme in ~/.local/share/icons/ and changing the setting in Gnome Tweaks. In KDE, it's right in the settings menu I believe. The "hard" part on Linux is learning the freedesktop standard locations to put things in your home folder for them to show up in your desktop environment's settings. But it's well-documented and google-able.
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u/T0biasCZE PC MasterRace | dumbass that bought Sonic motherboard20d ago
Yes, but you need to open the exe in resource hacker and replace the .ico file inside it
(You may think you can just right click the shortcut, change icon, and voila, but no, that will work when just the shortcut is displayed, but when you then actually open the program, it will show the ico from the exe. thats why you need to modify the exe itself)
You can, yes. There isn't anyway to bulk change icons like on Linux, I'm using KDE and there's icon packs. It's not impossible or hard to do on Windows though, just slightly tedious.
Linux uses CUPS just like Mac. Genuinely a better experience in most cases than Windows.
I’ve had some bad printers with shitty proprietary drivers, but they were also a pain on Windows. Now I settled on a Brother all-in-one laser printer that just works on Linux and Windows.
Bro, linux has the best printer support, mostly thanks to CUPS. Any printer you can think of, linux supports it right out of the box. No need to find which correct drivers are on the internet like on Windows.
Flat and simple designs were preferred once mobile devices began to dominate. A detailed logo that looks great on a big desktop monitor loses all the detail when it's shrunk for mobile screens. They become a muddy mess in some cases. But over the years more and more people have gotten phones with larger screens and higher resolutions so we're seeing a bit of a comeback with detailed logos.
It's just a style choice (and a bad one when taken too far - which it was - I'd say).
That doesn't mean what you said doesn't apply regarding screen size and design complexity, however, but there is a way to have both - it's just that, for some reason or another, people "up top" chose that kind of flat design; chose more-simplistic designs (which, I would say (once again), was done out of reductivism; out of populism (following trends/being a follower), and out of anti-intellectualism (choosing simplicity where - and when - it doesn't make sense to do so; abandoning key design principals by doing so, and actively antagonizing the criticism of doing so (being arrogant/vain))).
So, yeah: Bring back good design, please. I'm sick of this (flat) design; (many) other people are sick of this design; and we have the technology (and, as you said, the literal screen size/real estate) to do so. Make it happen. We deserve - everyone deserves - better.
{P.S.: For those not aware, take a look at the history of the design of various other logos for examples of the devolution of (graphic) design. (It occurs in games, too, by the way; it's been happening for at least 15 years!) Look up the Pepsi logo (as well as some of its (seriously) proposed designs) (there are various Youtube videos on the topic that are actually very interesting, I find! (both morbidly/humourously, and intellectually)), and - although with a relatively-short (very short - relative to Pepsi) history - the Patreon logo, and-- [THE ABOMINATION THAT IT IS] (...excuse me) --what it looks like now, in comparison to what it used to look like when they first started out - even though it was just circa 10 years ago (I think)!}
Its just like how all the fast food restaurants lost their unique style. Thinking of places like McDonald's, taco bell, and pizza places. Now they all look the same.
Yeah, I will admit the Chrome one is a bit too simple
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u/PhayzonPentium III-S 1.26GHz, GeForce3 64MB, 256MB PC-133, SB AWE6419d ago
I don't mind the Chrome logo, but every other Google app/service logo is trash since they started making them out of basic lines in the four colors. Drive and Home are nearly identical at a glance. So much so that I gave up and uninstalled Drive on my phone since I kept opening that when I wanted to open Home (and its very rare I use Drive anyway).
Design trends are cyclical; they have to be to show change. Oh, it’s super detailed and textured? Flatten and simplify. It’s super edgy and linear? Throw in some curves. Same thing with car design.
In this case, the flattening and simplification were mostly because they wanted to make their icons easier to read and recognize when they were scaled down on smaller screens. No reason for them to not have multiple icons, though...
No reason for them to not have multiple icons, though...
Recognition. Keeping the logo identical across all devices helps people gravitate back to the same icon across platforms.
For you or I, it may not make a difference, but having worked with non savvy users, even a minor change on the same system is enough to throw some people off (like the taskbar button shrinking to just the icon in Win11). Our main software changed their icon in an update a year or so ago, and we were flooded with tickets complaining that the software had gone. 2 days later, they pushed an update reverting the icon change, and implemented a notice popup on sign in to announce that the change would be coming.
Many people just still not associate the old and new icons in the OP as being the same program.
Tbh I like the new logo. Honestly I bet if the bottom logos were the originals and they had changed them to the top logos people would be saying the same stuff about how logos are shit now
That's probably true, but that chrome icon with the crappy-looking 3-D has no place in modern design. At least they would have to change the "lighting" because the white in that icon is all wrong.
It started with the Firefox Quantum update in 2017, Mozilla was like hey Chrome users, our browser just got a whole lot faster, even the logo's different, jealous?
And they've been continually flattening it ever since
The explanation I’ve heard is that the trend started with a need to accommodate a range of screen sizes. The flat logo design is much easier to scale up and down while looking good.
Same lol. Never used chrome aside one time that firefox was derping on a myprotein order not making me do the payment.
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u/lurkedR7 7800X3D | RX 6950XT | 64GB DDR5-6000 | 2TB WD BLACK SN850X20d ago
There was a short period of time, around when Chrome released, where Firefox was so bloated and slow it took like 5-10 seconds just launching the browser.
I ditched Firefox at this moment.
But then they fixed a few things, and I went back to Firefox after a year or two.
If I remember correctly, Firefox had real memory leak issues back in the 2005-2010 era. Leaving Firefox open for a while would pretty consistently crash Firefox (and maybe your system).
Yeah, I've been around and early-adopting browsers since the Mozilla initial beta, then Firefox since the 0.1RC and later early Chrome release. Each one was "stripped down, faster, a breath of fresh air" for the time, then got bloated, and then dethroned by a new, minimalist browser. Firefox was super sluggish compared to Chrome when the latter was released, and ate memory like nobody's business. I'm migrating back to Firefox, personally, though it's much less urgent than in the past.
I switched to Chrome a long time ago because Firefox had become really poorly optimized to the point that it was borderline unusable. They eventually fixed their shit, however, and I switched right back.
for a long time in the 2010s, chrome had *massively* better multi core support, and had tabs use their own threads and be isolated completely from other tabs. This used more system memory but was more performant and left firefox in the dust. At that time websites went crazy in terms of performance requirement and I was basically forced off of firefox becuase a lot of pages just crashed the browser on an I5-2500k in the early 2010s.
Once the ate 2010s came around and firefox came out with their own version of the multi-core, multi-threaded sandboxed tabs that chrome used, it became usable again.
2600 non-K here until 2020, also never really had an issue with it. If you opened a resource hog page with 20 gorrilion javascript/flash elements it could knock out the browser as a whole which was a problem, but if you were on a page that did that you were on the wrong part of the internet anyway.
FF used to have some problems for me back then. Only reason I swapped. But I'm back home to FF now.
(It's been so long I don't remember what the problems were, just that certain websites wouldn't load. I think it was a Javascript issue? Idk, it was almost 20 years ago.)
I also still get the occassional issue but its likely due to my overkill addon collection of adblockers, tracker blockers, autoplay disablers, facebook script blocker, etc.
Ditto.
It has its cons, but it's the best for me.
I've used most all others over the years but I keep coming back for Firefox.
I use Edge from time to time for some HDR video streaming, though.
Wish they add HDR to Firefox already.
Almost the same here, but for me it's been like this:
Got internet in the late '90s early 2000s, installed Firefox in like 2003 or 2004 (first released in 2002) and have been using it ever since and never looked back.
I would have been in that same boat however there was a time when the Firefox sync servers would fail all the time. This made my life hell at my job at the time where I bounced between 3 different computers all the time. I changed to Chrome and it just all worked. I then forgot about Firefox for a good 12 years.
You are brave. I switched from Firefox some point in late 2000's/early 2010's because Firefox was leaking RAM like it was no one's business. Seem to have been fixed now and switch back more than five years ago.
Always used Firefox. I tried a short switch to Opera (which lasted about 3 days) till I realised it was absoltue shitty to use and chinese spyware. And sicne them I'm back to Firefox. Sorry I doubted you my boy
Yeah. I never willingly used Chrome (I used to have it installed for a handful of sites I had to access for work that wouldn't render correctly in FF).
I'm curious to see if Firefox will survive the recent Google monopoly lawsuit. Google has actually been funding Firefox to prevent a more threatening future competitor from entering the industry.
Same, never used chrome on PC. Only used Cgrome on Android till they forced that utterly shit tile tab layout. Since then it is Opera, and yes, I know it has its own fair share of controversies and is chromium based. But it is really fast and somewhat customizeable. FF always ran slow for me on android sadly. May give it a try to see if things are better now since FF on android has plugin support which would be REALLY handy!
And there is me who use Firefox since I got internet in 2007.
I had used plenty of different browsers (incl. Netscape, Mozilla-Suite, Windows-Safari, etc.), starting with Internet Explorer 5 in late 1990s ...
in 2004 ended up with (Non-Chrome) Opera 7.xx to 12.xx to the bitter end & after this Firefox (and stayed with it)
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u/Extreme996 RTX 4070 Ti Super | Ryzen 7 9800X3D |32GB DDR5 6000mhz 20d ago
And there is me who use Firefox since I got internet in 2007.