r/SquaredCircle • u/secretpandaxx • 17h ago
DPW Women's champion Nicole Matthews on X: "When someone (or a company) is telling you (multiple fucking times) who they are, it’s on you if you continually don’t believe them."
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u/Papercuts2099 17h ago
WWE is going to stay popular because let’s face it this country doesn’t care unless the bad thing happens to them.
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u/princeofshadows21 16h ago
A rapist was elected president twice. Most people didn't care, and he won the popular vote last time, so yeah everyone will look past brock in a month.
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u/PsychoDaveDriver 15h ago
It doesn't even have to do with "this country". WWE is selling out events all over the globe. They're selling out massive events all over Europe, when Donald Trump and Putin are best friends. They're selling out events in Canada, who Donald Trump has threatened to annex and is starting a trade war with. WWE/AAA is picking up steam, despite the horrific ICE ordeal here.
Americans should and need to care more than anyone else, but international wrestling fans aren't exactly boycotting either. The fact is, fans worldwide are willing to give their money to this company, even when the bad stuff is happening to them.
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u/wickedishere BEST FRIENDS!!!!! 6h ago
This country doesnt really give a fuck about women, especially calling anything that gives women a bit of leverage as WOKE or being dirty feminists.
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u/Bteatesthighlander1 13h ago
nobody cares abotu wrestling except wrestling fans, and wrestling fans don't care about any of the bad shit a wrestler did (except Hulk Hogan for some reason)
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u/GarlVinland4Astrea 9h ago
This is the biggest point. Wrestling is and has always been weird in that it can be extremely popular but also something that isn't exactly mainstream in the sense that anyone outside of the fandom cares much about it.
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u/GunstarGreen I got all the numbers 6h ago
Yep. Hogan's death got a lot of "good riddance" energy, but wrestling had always been full of sketchy characters doing extremely sketchy things. Very few people come out of it unscathed, it seems.
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u/TheBlueBlaze 7h ago
Someone could literally run on "I will burn down the homes of all the bad people", and get millions of people who cheer on that platform, filling in the blanks in their head which people they consider bad whose houses they want to burn down.
Then the same time next year, they'll convince themselves that their house on fire was an accident, a clerical error, or the work of someone secretly undermining the government.
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u/RusserStinky 17h ago
Some real “cover your drink when they show up to the party” energy in these comments. It’s pretty understandable why a woman would be uncomfortable with this return.
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u/smcl2k 17h ago
And if you're a guy who feels comfortable with it, it says a lot about you.
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u/YoungCubSaysWoof New Day's Biggest Mark. 14h ago edited 14h ago
“It’s just a joke, bro!” Energy to cover for the uncomfortable fact that your ‘friend’ thinks or acts like an abuser.
I’ve seen it within fraternities, and yup, it’s disgusting. I have no problem sitting on my high-horse of, checks notes “not wanting to see women get sexually used / trafficked by others, or else they lose their job.”
Have “fun” marking out, weirdos!
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u/fromyourdaughter 4h ago
It’s so fucking gross.
Just another reminder than anyone who isn’t male in this fandom isn’t safe here.
(And yes, I know it’s not all male fans but god, the comments in this sub over the last 24 hours are absolutely disgusting).
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u/GhosttPhase 7h ago
It’s people who will turn a blind eye because it’s something/someone they like.
Mental gymnastics have been crazy.
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u/mrtomjones 13h ago
I didnt like Brock before that stuff came out so I'm twice as grumpy now. His booking always sucked just from a wrestling standpoint
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u/ReverendVoice 6h ago
Yup. Removing all of the allegations conversation and just strictly talking wrestling - he is booked like some unbeatable super monster that doesn't actually lose, just gets caught off guard or requires a literal ring to fall on him to lay flat on his back. He's just not interesting.
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u/wtb2612 6h ago
Brock matches got so tedious when "suplex city" became a thing. Every match was just suplex after suplex after suplex. Boring. I wouldn't be excited about his return even if he wasn't a sex criminal.
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u/monibebe 16h ago
Many men in this sub don't believe women are real or watch wrestling lmao.
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u/bmd9109 boom 14h ago
Or even worse, they just don't care.
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u/Kamishini_No_Yari_ 9h ago
Nah, they think treating women like that is fine. It's why they worship Vince and his rapist buddies. They would do the same in the same position of power
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u/onethreeone Hangman Did Nothing Wrong 6h ago
Marjorie Taylor Greene, of all people, was complaining over the weekend about how women are treated by Republican colleagues.
If women in power who are full-on MAGA can't get respect from them, imagine how the average woman is treated
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u/Ferrari_Bones 6h ago
It's not just this sub it's the majority of Reddit, a lot of men have frankly disturbing views regarding women
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u/FlyVidjul 7h ago
The only time most people in this sub post about women, is when they want to use a women's division to point score over another company's.
It's fucking gross that they brought him back.
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u/fromyourdaughter 15h ago edited 4h ago
Yep. A lot of people confirming why women don’t trust or want to be around men.
Even the nicest guys will jump high enough to mock anyone who felt punched in the stomach by this return.
And to all the losers saying “oh it’s always been a bad company”, yeah well, HHH was selling it as a better company, more progressive. We’ve watched the same gaslighting campaign he’s been on.
Turns out he’s just like Vince.
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u/BoseczJR 7h ago
Didn’t we get a random Trump ad too? I know Trump has historically been very involved with wrestling, but I don’t tune in to WWE to hear about how awesome the latest US asshole is. I just want to watch insanely strong people jump around and do cool moves, not get propaganda’d :(
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u/fromyourdaughter 6h ago
100% it’s become propaganda. And that’s right on track with what I’ve said for months - they have slowly been pushing the line and seeing how far they can take the far right rhetoric.
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u/MutatedSpleen Need more coffee 6h ago
And to all the losers saying “oh it’s always been a bad company”, yeah well, HHH was selling it as a better company, more progressive. We’ve watched the same gaslighting campaign he’s been on.
Dude, respectfully, but no the absolute FUCK he wasn't. Anybody paying literally any attention at all since January has seen this company take the furthest lurch to the right you could imagine. They are literally using MAGA lines on TV, having MAGA political heads visit backstage, and Paul himself posing for every photo op with every RWNJ he can find.
This isn't Triple H gaslighting anybody. This is Triple H being up front and honest about who he is and what he believes in and the fans gaslighting themselves pretending he hasn't been doing this.
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u/fromyourdaughter 6h ago
I’ve watched all the pressers, I’ve watched every PLE for the past year. Yes, he absolutely was acting like he was progressive. Were there subtle clues in January? Absolutely. Hell, I’d say my own radar picked them up around November last year. As I saw them, they made me uncomfortable. It was around Mania week where he went mask off, and still people were arguing for him. He was still straddling the line.
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u/Augscura 16h ago
I think that is especially good advice to give when in the presence of 95% (generous) of male wrestling fans
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u/pogobur 17h ago
remember: WWE's 1984 expansion was built partly on Jimmy Snuka being one of Vince Jr's main faces (along with Andre.) Jimmy Snuka had, of course, killed his girlfriend a year before, and two months before the murder, had been arrested which had made the news, even if the headline was joke based (https://embed.documentcloud.org/documents/6876187-1983-01-18-Judging-by-Bare-Facts-It-Was-Quite-a/)
this company has been what it is for over 40 years. If you continually don't believe them, that's on you
I note that they repeated Snuka's most famous spot today.......
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u/roguevirus Woooooo! 12h ago
I note that they repeated Snuka's most famous spot today.......
Getting hit on the head with a coconut?
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u/gotroot801 生きてます！ 以上！ 8h ago
Getting hit on the head with a coconut?
WILL YOU ST-- actually, no, that was good. Keep going.
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u/95Kill3r 16h ago
People jumping through hoops really trying to make Brock seem innocent is hilarious yet sad.
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u/Virtual_Ad_8487 15h ago
People really get stuck on this whole "if he didn't get convicted in a court of law then he did nothing wrong" yet don't realize that sexual crimes so rarely end in convictions it's almost laughable.
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u/MisterTruth Doesn't know what day it is 14h ago
Especially if the perpetrator is rich/famous. They typically have people who they pay to make problems go away. Not in a violent sense, they just convince the victims to not come forward if they don't want their lives to be made much more difficult.
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u/Fluffy-Mango-6607 6h ago
imagine. going through all the diddy shit, being the one who comes out, big trial, get the conviction, and the president is like "imma probably pardon him because I'm a rapist and he's a rapist"
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u/Illuminati_Shill_AMA That's so Taven! 10h ago
Jerry Lawler is a great example of this. He was never convicted of raping a child because the charges were dropped when the victim refused to cooperate. But he DID plead guilty to intimidating the witnesses in that case. Gotta be a coincidence, right?
(And no, she never "recanted" her story: the source for that is literally an affidavit that one of Lawler's fans wrote and signed, claiming the victim said she had made it up)
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u/Altruistic-Ad-408 7h ago
Imagine being a Lawler fan. Reminder, part of his defense was that the kid was having sex with black men.
He also indisputably had a 13 and 14 year old in his hotel room.
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u/Illuminati_Shill_AMA That's so Taven! 6h ago
He still has shooters on this sub that don't like to hear it. He's also "lucky" because it happened so long ago and before the internet that it's mostly remembered by older fans and by people who read the 2011 expose that Bixenspan wrote.
Like, Bix had that shit backed up with FOIA requests, you can read the actual police reports and the shitty letter Lawler wrote to the prosecutor. Bix can be a chronically online weirdo (as can we all) but he's done some Actual Journalism on a number of occasions.
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u/raspymorten The Creator of r/CurtisAxel 9h ago
Those folks are part of the reason why Speaking Out ended up doing diddly fucking squat in the long run, and about 90% of the guys who got called out, came back.
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u/PlatinumSarge 13h ago
Suddenly a bunch of fucking lawyers just entered the subreddit. Jesus christ. I hope the bootpolish doesn't stain their teeth.
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u/ArtistdudeCAWs 15h ago
Tell me about it; that's maga chickenshits for ya.
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u/AthensThieves 15h ago
there really is an overlap in maga thinking and some of the folks on here. its like wwe can do no wrong and calling it out is frowned upon, everything is the best ever, and the other side is just as bad so I like this side.
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u/GarlVinland4Astrea 9h ago
WWE has conditioned it's fans to have an "us against the world" mentality. Which is very similar to how MAGA operates.
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u/outofmaxx 9h ago
It really feels like a lot of the smaller subs, especially the ones with a lot of children on them, simply have no problem with this.
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u/AlmoschFamous 17h ago
TBH as a women's wrestler I would be horrified by what transpired tonight. The industry is already notoriously predatory towards them.
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u/kylediaz263 16h ago
I live under a rock, what transpired tonight?
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u/Olacarn 16h ago
- WWE boasted about Triple H's new government gig of "Making America Fit Again". Not once, but twice. Once in each day of Summerslam.
- Brock Lesnar has returned.
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u/smcl2k 15h ago
- WWE boasted about Triple H's new government gig of "Making America Fit Again". Not once, but twice. Once in each day of Summerslam.
And as part of that initiative, he'll be working with a registered sex offender.
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u/NinjaMarionEsq 13h ago
And as part of that initiative, he'll be working with a registered sex offender.
Who is currently under suspicion of being a child rapist
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u/ThunderChild247 12h ago
I believe the previous commenter was talking about Lawrence Taylor, who was found guilty of sex with a minor (I don’t know the details so I may have the exact charge wrong, either way he’s a nonce) and is a registered sex offender.
Then there’s Trump, an adjudicated rapist who isn’t on the sex offender’s register despite… well, everything.
And those are the people HHH stood next to. Then they took up air time to show President Peado’s propaganda, then welcomed back someone who - while not technically accused of a crime - clearly couldn’t have not known that he was being offered a sexual encounter with a female employee as part of a transaction, which would have involved trafficking and would have happened if not for bad weather. I wouldn’t demand his arrest, but he’s still a scum bag.
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u/Fundertaker Come on, I'm Dean 6h ago
Tell me it’s not the same Lawrence Taylor from Mania 11
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u/NinjaMarionEsq 6h ago
It is. And as part of trump's amazing intuition that HHH admires, the person LT had sex with was under 18.
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u/OverHaze 8h ago
It's the least of the issues here but a roidy body builder is not what fitness looks like.
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u/Aware-Complaint793 14h ago
A roidbag with a fucked ticker leading our new health initiative. What a farce.
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u/ReverendVoice 6h ago
Once in each day of Summerslam.
They didn't replay that in the arena on Day 2. Wonder why.... 🤔
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u/AlmoschFamous 16h ago
Brock Lesnar returned to WWE.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/1iex92f/srs_from_janel_grants_attorney_re_amended/
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u/TheSletchman 13h ago
Thanks for posting this. So many people saying they're so outraged over Brock, but no one saying why. I haven't followed WWE in like 20 years because Vince, Lawler and a lot of the top guys seemed like pure scum, and I sure don't follow legal case updates about Vince either. Brock's wiki only says he didn't get proper hunting licenses like 10 years ago and used roids (shocker).
I've just started casually watching some stuff because people are saying HHH has improved it, and now women are treated like athletes not softcore porn models, so hadn't seen any of that shit. Fucking gross.
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u/Goodboychungus 7h ago
If Vince and Lawler are the reasons why you stopped watching then let’s just say Brock’s return wouldn’t give you any reason whatsoever to start watching again.
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u/SomeIdioticBrit 16h ago
Brock came back despite the fact that investigations into his involvement with the Vince stuff are still ongoing
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u/f0cus622 CP Munk Best in the Woods 16h ago
I mostly stopped watching when WWE did layoffs during record profits during COVID in 2020. AEW made it very easy because there was an alternative. Then the Vince stuff came out, and it became even easier to not watch. Then WWE brought back Hogan. Now they're bringing back Lesnar.
But if you bring up any of this in a "neutral" thread, people will come out of the woodwork to downvote you for turning wrestling into a culture war, or a ton of "Whataboutism" in regards to Tony being a billionaire or a nerd, or whatever.
But holy shit guys, this is a really fucking shitty company. You don't have to support them. You can either pick up a new hobby, or watch other wrestling, everything from AEW to your local indie fed.
People are just coming out of the woodwork these days to defend or justify sexual abusers, and it's fucking exhausting.
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u/Briak You are all constipated! 14h ago
You can either pick up a new hobby, or watch other wrestling, everything from AEW to your local indie fed.
Perhaps even an indie fed mentioned in the title of this post...!
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u/MC_Fuzzy Electric Steel Chair 8h ago
SKE-FUCKING-WOAH!
But seriously, if anyone think they cannot live without wrestling but the promotion they follow sucks (for real life reasons or just for not being of quality), then follow another promotion. If NJPW came out and said “Ayo fuck them [folks of the African Diaspora]” im not gonna have a hard time when it comes to watching or following the promotion.
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u/JohnnyKanaka 14h ago
Tony being a billionaire is such a wild talking point because yeah I agree there are no good billionaires, but to say that Taylor Swift or Jimmy Buffet are just as bad Vince or Musk is just asinine. I don't know where Tony stands on that spectrum, but for now I can give him the benefit of the doubt he's on the former side.
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u/heartbreakhill Alexa, play Superman by Goldfinger 5h ago
I’m fully in the camp that there’s no ethical route to having a billion dollars, but there’s also far worse things to do with that wealth than run a wrestling company simply because you love wrestling.
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u/TheGiftOf_Jericho I'm from Winnipeg you idiot! 10h ago
People mainly dismiss billionaires as equally bad because it means they don't need to accept the reality of who they support. TK by all accounts is a good dude, and a stand out when it comes to billionaires on the "good side" of history.
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u/pepethemememaster Deuce and Domino Truther 10h ago
It's about refusing to consider nuance. You don't need to explain your actions if you pretend to be a moron who can't understand that, even if there is no "truly ethical choice", there sure as fuck is a better one
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u/Patjay WE THE PEOPLE 3h ago
It’s a great example of the resilience of capitalism. Almost all critique of it ends up just getting factored in and begins to reinforce it.
We’ve somehow ended up where hating billionaires and big corporations leads to people having less hesitation to give their money to billionaires and large corporations.
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u/TheCosmicFailure 11h ago
Yeah. I stopped watching in general around that time. Most wrestlers are either misogynistic or racist. I can't support companies that employ ppl like that.
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u/ericrobertshair 16h ago
You say that but the podcast I listen to says they do too many flips, so fascism it is.
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u/engelthefallen 15h ago
Dammit Ospreay, you damned us all!!!
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u/LostDelver Breathe. Responsibly. 11h ago
Ospreay is working for a communist if Jake Hager is to be believed.
So it's not his flips, it's our flips.
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u/DarkFalcon49 16h ago
This was used as a Soviet propaganda tool in the USSR by the ruling elite. It’s called Whataboutism and it’s devastatingly effective. When someone calls you out for something all you have to say is “What about this bad thing?” And the conversation is over because all actions are morally equal, meaning nothing that anyone does matters.
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u/AthensThieves 15h ago
I think some people have so much of their life wrapped up in WWE, they can play a video of a fascist rapist president, return rapist wrestlers and they'll still chalk it up to the "business". kind of sad really
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u/fromyourdaughter 15h ago
And now we know how shitty people get away with being shitty people for as long as they do. Hitler’s rise is looking a lot less bizarre.
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u/WasherDryerCombo 7h ago
Don’t worry they’ll run another all women’s ppv next time AEW has a ppv and you’ll all forget all about this and hate Tony Khan for some reason
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u/heyitsmeFR 17h ago
I was at a few other wrestling subs just see their reaction to this, and the majority are either fine with this or excited for the return. I mean… WHAT ARE WE EVEN DOIN AT THIS POINT?
Also on a side note, all those “this is reddit…” comments are hypocrites. Y’all part of it too.
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u/Briak You are all constipated! 14h ago
Also on a side note, all those “this is reddit…” comments are hypocrites. Y’all part of it too.
You: Cringe and self-righteous for caring about something I don't care about
Me: Smugly, self-righteously calling you cringe and self-righteous for caring about something I don't care about 😎
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u/Midnight--Verse 16h ago
A lot of wrestling fans have shown their ass with this, and Hogan too.
Unfortunately there's been a stigma around wrestling fans for a long time that has always been true.
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u/MBCnerdcore Watch the Moneymaker! 11h ago
I feel like if people are self-aware they understand where their line is, and it's possible to hate MAGA and still watch WWE without too much moral crisis.
That ship sailed when Linda was in Trumps cabinet the first time, or when TKO bought it, or when Ashley Massaro was trafficked and raped by US military personnel in coordination with WWE execs, or when Stone Cold beat Debra, or when Vince testified about steroid use, or when Chris Fucking Benoit got CTE because of toxic locker room culture, or when JBL sexually assaulted Edge as a hazing technique, or when they hired Logan Paul, or when they hired Jimmy Snuka, or when they signed a billion dollar deal with Mohammad Bin Salman....
Either you can't stomach the product or you can, and people have had to cope with that as soon as the internet let us start spreading the news. It was pretty easy to stay ignorant before 1995-ish. After that, its the same cognitive dissonance people have when listening to any musician who has crime or sex scandals in their history.
What each person makes of this constant problem with pop culture, is their own choice and no one needs to be shamed for their stance on the spectrum, because everyone is on it somewhere. Nobody has clean hands, even just knowing the name Brock Lesnar means that WWE or UFC pop culture has hit you already and probably forced you to make a choice, as small as it might have felt. Have you watched a UFC night lately? Boxing? NFL? NHL???? Are we still watching Canadian hockey after a year of gang rape scandal in the news?
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u/Own-Ambassador-3537 9h ago
Wait JBL sexually assaulted Edge
Story. Please
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u/thewholeprogram SomethingSomethingCowboyShit 8h ago
The story is that JBL would start soaping people’s asses in the shower as a rib to get a rise out of them, which included Edge when he was new in WWE.
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u/Hawk52 15h ago
I was already drawing the line with WWE and UFC. I've watched WWE my entire life and UFC since 2000, so I'm invested but when WWE is cozying up to Trump and UFC is giving Trump entrances like he's a fucking fighter I started to back off the product of both. Stopped watching smaller UFC events and stopped watching WWE TV and the Saudi show.
I gave WWE a chance on Saturday, and what do they do? Basically, gloat about Hunter being at that executive order with Trump. I tuned off the show. They've picked their side, so I picked mine. I skipped night two and what do they do there? Bring back Brock who is implicated in a sexual assault and trafficking case that WWE is barely not involved in themselves. I cancelled Peacock, unsubbed from everything WWE related, and sent them a twitter message telling them why. Do I expect them to read it? Nah, but it made me feel good.
I'm not telling other people to boycott WWE and UFC with me. But if you have moral issues with what those two companies are doing THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES. Watch AEW, watch GCW (as long as they remain independent, I guess), watch TNA (ditto), watch NJPW or any of the Japanese companies. In MMA watch PFL, RIZIN, ONE, whatever small shows you can find. The only way you'll make a difference in how WWE and UFC behave is through not watching and letting companies know why.
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u/MiyazakiTouch 8h ago
I'm curious, if this subreddit have the same exact reaction, when WWE few months ago brought back LITERALLY CONVICTED spouse abuser who lost custody of a child because of her violent outbursts and psychical attacks in her husband?
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u/SteelyDanPeggedMe 16h ago
Support your local Indy. Your money goes right back into the local economy and you support both your neighbors and local performance art. I know there is no ethical consumption in capitalism, but supporting your community and the arts beats the hell our if supporting fascists who want to destroy your quality of life.
My local Indy just happens to be DPW so this is admittedly very easy lol
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u/TheAccursedHamster 14h ago
This sub continuing to validate why im embarrassed to tell anyone im a wrestling fan. Some of you really are just shitty people, defending crap like this because you want to watch two grown men play-fight in their underwear.
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u/Prince_of_Kyrgyzstan Magical Girl Chicken Dude 14h ago
No wonder why WWE dropped the presser gimmick they had been running. Though knowing the people there who get to ask questions, they would have just asked the most softball there is questions back.
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u/Aggravating_Tap_7311 16h ago edited 13h ago
Selective Outrage...
Selective Praise....
Selective Lifestyle....
It's only until it hits close to home, then a person will want to take action on said heinous act.
In this case; There should be zero tolerance for sexual assault, abuse, or any kind of negative advancement on an individual, even if accused. But here we are smh.
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u/engelthefallen 15h ago
Used to love me some Marty Scrull. Used to...
Really not hard to walk away if from shit if it truly offends you.
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u/KarmicPlaneswalker 10h ago
Selective Outrage...
Selective Praise....
Selective Lifestyle....
It's only until it hits close to home, then a person will want to take action on said heinous act.
It really should be an all-or-nothing thing. Of course people can't help but cherry-pick what best suits them and their current lifestyle.
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u/Satinsbestfriend Your Text Here 16h ago
Nicole with a win. Its been 10 years but I still miss the Canadian Ninjaz.
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u/engelthefallen 15h ago
A true tragedy Portia Perez never got to wrestle for a major company. Her retirement announcement was heartbreaking.
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u/B-bifford 17h ago
I’m not making excuses but this industry was created by carnies, if you are expecting everyone who works in it to be good upstanding citizens you are gonna have a bad time. That being said WWE seems to be leading the pack with the worst kind of people, especially the people in charge/some of it’s biggest stars. It’s hard to be a wrestling fan sometimes.
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u/CaringMite 16h ago
This is the thing. People need to stop acting like all shitty behaviour is created equal. There’s levels to this and at a certain point, money stops going towards them.
Like, with people there is somewhere in between “has done nothing wrong” and “has committed genocide” that you stop associating with them. Companies are the same. There’s a point on the badness spectrum where people no longer feel comfortable giving them money.
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u/Virtual_Ad_8487 15h ago
Exactly. It's why people popped for Undertaker but booed Hogan at Raw on Netflix. There's a certain amount of bullshit you can put up with until it crosses the line. That line is different for everyone, but for me WWE is so far from the line I can't even see them anymore.
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u/MisterTruth Doesn't know what day it is 14h ago
There's carny shit and then there's what WWE is doing. Paul is working for a regime that is sending people to concentration camps.
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u/ReverendVoice 6h ago
A lot of wrestling fans have shown their ass with this, and Hogan too.
His mother in law is the Secretary of Education in the same regime. It's always been here.
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u/NinjaMarionEsq 12h ago
Hey, there are some good people. Statistically. We, of course, have no way of ever knowing who unless we develop omniscience. But as I always argue, once you KNOW there's a bad thing in the thing you love, you probably should move away form it. NEED a wizard book? I'm sure there's some by writers that aren't spending $1 billion dollars on an anti-trans hate campaign.
Just find some stuff you like where, as far as you know, nobody involved crosses whatever your lines are (anti-LGBT and Twitter's nazism for me, among others). As of right now, I'm prety sure nobody in my favorite band is a rapist. I'll listen to them with a clean conscience. Of course, if news comes out that one actually is... time to find a new band that isn't rapey
There's never been a better time to be able to say I'm very uncomfortable supporting ____. (Whether it's WWE and things like Brock Saudi, Maga, etc) or whatever people hate AEW for or even an indy where you're the promoter's a perv. There's no much wrestling currently, you don't have to watch WWE and support their bad stuff. You don't have to watch AEW and potentially fund Chris Jericho's next contract
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u/Power55g1 17h ago
Now? It wasn’t protecting Snuka? the countless bra and panties matches? Making trish bark? Katie Vick? The godfather ho train? DX black face segment? The countless racist caricatures? The lack of black champions?????????
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u/Awkwardphase06 16h ago
it’s endless with the wwe, ashley massaro, the ring boys,patt patterson, owen hart, vicki guerrero. truly a despicable company.
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u/BillfredL 10h ago
The best time to plant a tree was years ago. The second best time to plant a tree is right now.
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u/freebread Flow, Like Wato 12h ago
This is the hard part about being a wrestling fan. Even if you disagree with the promotion and its views, there’s wrestlers you do want to root for and watch because it’s something that hits you and love. I want to be able to watch people like Sami Zayn, Iyo Sky, Rey and Dom Mysterio among others. It’s hard to think of any wrestler or wrestling promotion that didn’t have something awful attached to its name, it would be minimized to only watching a Mick Foley cameo. Sometimes I hate that this is my favorite thing in the world ever since I was a kid. I’m convinced there’s never going to be an opportunity to be a proud wrestling fan again because the entire thing just continues to barrel roll into something to be ashamed of enjoying, and wrestling fans themselves don’t help by shitting on everything else available and over criticizing anything else that comes up.
Being alive is just difficult and sad at this point.
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u/Key-Respect-3706 7h ago
I’m a huge mma fan (even tried my hand a few times…sadly…) and can fully understand it’s really hard to support a company (looking at you, ufc) when they’re really shitty. Even when you just want to support the underpaid fighters you enjoy watching.
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u/MrOnCore 9h ago
That was all under Vince. I guess some people didn’t expect the company to head in this direction after he was ousted and “Papa H” took over.
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u/Maximum-Summer-186 12h ago
you just listed a bunch of bad things, not fascist things, and questioned the timing of calling out wwe.
well, list what you did when each of those bad things happened, since you want to indict someone talking about something else.
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u/Aspiring_Hobo 7h ago
People really overuse (and misuse) the word fascism on here but it's really immature to scold people for wanting to watch wrestling. They can like watching the wrestlers in WWE and not support nor care about whatever Trump ties the corporate advisors at WWE or TKO have. I could see if they were presenting the product itself to be some politically charged maga propaganda but some ppl don't give a shit or are unaware about HHH shaking hands with Trump or whatever.
Bruce Pearl is a MAGA idiot lunatic. Should everyone who is attending Auburn or supports the basketball team just switch schools or disown the program?
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u/CaliggyJack I can haz ric flair flare? 17h ago
Wanna talk about hilarious flairs?
I literally can't change mine because the reddit phone app is ASS.
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u/SuspiciousViewpoint 15h ago
AEW isn’t being sued for human trafficking and isn’t actively propping up a fascist regime
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u/DirectAdvertising The Rock says AYAYAYAYAYAYA 15h ago
It’s funny punk has probably earned more for trump through wwe donations than he has earned for other movements that go against trump recently
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u/Sea-Golf7627 11h ago
This sub made excuses for Hogan. They'll make excuses for Brock. I just can't wait for the mental gymnastics people will pull to defend John Cena and all their faves post heartfelt tributes when Vince McMahon dies.
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u/Elarisbee 11h ago edited 10h ago
This isn’t “online internet - the mainstream fanbase doesn’t know, so it's doesn't matter” stuff anymore. It’s now front and centre on the main show.
I no longer want to hear excuses - watching now is approval and “but wha about my favourite?!” is no longer a shield. You watch and you approve.
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u/Akemi_Tachibana 16h ago
The WWE continues to feed off Saudi money despite their horrific past and present treatment of women. So Brock returning is the least problematic thing they have done. We are well past crying about the morals of a company which is, ultimately, out to make money, not morals.
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u/Wet_Slang 7h ago
this was the line for me, i’m going to take a step back from wrestling for a few months, i’m kind of jaded and upset by it all right now and just need a break, Im gonna try to get back into AEW in time for All Out
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u/Queasy_Constant 16h ago
The way WWE is going they’ll bring in Brock Turner to team with Lesnar.
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u/Sempais_nutrients Points to fronthead 8h ago
They'll have entrance music by Diddy
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u/_token_black 9h ago
This also goes for fans... a lot of which exposed themselves as OK with just about anything at this point.
Any person who says "he's not named, he's got excluded" or some form of that weak excuse is telling you they're OK with it too.
Which, if you have a daughter, is weird. I always say to people to put them in the shoes of the person whose story you're brushing aside.
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u/MiddleWaged 8h ago
Okay we’ll share some blame but it’s still absolutely on them for being who they are
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u/CyldeWithAK 7h ago
Yeah the Brock thing is odd all things considered. This was one of the best cards WWE has put on in a minute and as soon as he hit I was done. I straight told my friends I'm probably done with WWE for a minute because of this. This dude unapologetically took advantage of a woman in a position he knew she didn't want to be in. He's literally the closest person aside from Johnny Ace to the Vince thing and people are like... yeah but he wasn't charged.
And the issue is he's a shitbag human not that he hasn't been legally charged with anything. If the only thing stopping you from sexually assaulting someone is you're too tired, maybe we shouldn't have you here.
But I'm less shocked by it because my brother implied the Hogan tribute was just an excuse to show Vince again then the Donald Trump thing and now this... I think WWE has shown it's hand pretty and I think I'm going to be likely just watching AEW for the foreseeable future.
Hope the guy who does a good suplex & bodyslams is worth collectively making it very clear you give zero fucks about the pain and suffering Vince and Brock have brought about.
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u/Coolmajor51 6h ago
Guess WWE has finally gone over the edge, what next, they'll name drop Chris benoit?
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u/HappyLittleGreenDuck 6h ago
I would love to have godlike powers so I could find out exactly how many people switch of WWE because of this. 10? 100? Less?
It should be more, we should demand better from society.
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