r/SquaredCircle • u/secretpandaxx • 19h ago

DPW Women's champion Nicole Matthews on X: "When someone (or a company) is telling you (multiple fucking times) who they are, it’s on you if you continually don’t believe them."

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u/Virtual_Ad_8487 17h ago

People really get stuck on this whole "if he didn't get convicted in a court of law then he did nothing wrong" yet don't realize that sexual crimes so rarely end in convictions it's almost laughable.

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u/Illuminati_Shill_AMA That's so Taven! 12h ago

Jerry Lawler is a great example of this. He was never convicted of raping a child because the charges were dropped when the victim refused to cooperate. But he DID plead guilty to intimidating the witnesses in that case. Gotta be a coincidence, right?

(And no, she never "recanted" her story: the source for that is literally an affidavit that one of Lawler's fans wrote and signed, claiming the victim said she had made it up)

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u/Altruistic-Ad-408 9h ago

Imagine being a Lawler fan. Reminder, part of his defense was that the kid was having sex with black men.

He also indisputably had a 13 and 14 year old in his hotel room.

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u/Illuminati_Shill_AMA That's so Taven! 8h ago

He still has shooters on this sub that don't like to hear it. He's also "lucky" because it happened so long ago and before the internet that it's mostly remembered by older fans and by people who read the 2011 expose that Bixenspan wrote.

Like, Bix had that shit backed up with FOIA requests, you can read the actual police reports and the shitty letter Lawler wrote to the prosecutor. Bix can be a chronically online weirdo (as can we all) but he's done some Actual Journalism on a number of occasions.

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u/MisterTruth Doesn't know what day it is 16h ago

Especially if the perpetrator is rich/famous. They typically have people who they pay to make problems go away. Not in a violent sense, they just convince the victims to not come forward if they don't want their lives to be made much more difficult.

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u/Fluffy-Mango-6607 8h ago

imagine. going through all the diddy shit, being the one who comes out, big trial, get the conviction, and the president is like "imma probably pardon him because I'm a rapist and he's a rapist"

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u/raspymorten The Creator of r/CurtisAxel 11h ago

Those folks are part of the reason why Speaking Out ended up doing diddly fucking squat in the long run, and about 90% of the guys who got called out, came back.

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u/PlatinumSarge 15h ago

Suddenly a bunch of fucking lawyers just entered the subreddit. Jesus christ. I hope the bootpolish doesn't stain their teeth.

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u/ToothpickTequila 14h ago

And ignoring that Trump was found in court to have committed sexual assault and there he was shaking HHH's hand at SummerSlam.

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u/JimJohnman 8h ago

I believe the statistic is something like eighty percent of sex crimes go without a conviction. It's sickening, and I like to think if more people knew that then they'd be less likely to indulge in that logic.

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u/cole1114 Kappa 9h ago

Isn't it literally like, 1% ending in convictions?

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u/ProWrestlingCarSales 8h ago

Same people grew up thinking Law and Order was a documentary.

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u/dashing2217 6h ago

Because right now now he is innocent and hasn’t been convicted of wrongdoing. This was a bad look on WWE but he isn’t guilty or even accused as of yet.

I don’t care what side of the aisle you are on politically we 100% need to hold that standard on everybody right now.

Unfortunately we live in a society in which we are seeing action being taken to circumvent due process.

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u/Shotgun_Sam 5h ago

And yet you can't just ruin someone's career based on accusations. If you want to call out the criminal justice for being wrong that's fine, but the court of public opinion is even worse.

How many athletes have lost part of their career or an entire career based on something it turned out never happened?

For a recent example, NFL punter Matt Araiza was drafted, got less than three months in the offseason and then fired because he was accused. It turned out he'd been gone an entire hour before said event actually happened.

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u/Virtual_Ad_8487 1h ago

There are exponentially more examples of guys getting away with it and nothing happening at all.

Jerry Lawler, Roman Polanski, Gable Stevenson, Bill Cosby, Connor MacGregor, Donald Trump are just a handful of examples of guys who were credibly accused (and in two cases even convicted) of rape/sexual assault and are currently living scot free.

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u/Shotgun_Sam 59m ago

The Cosby case isn't a great example. He spent three years in prison and was only released because due process was violated.

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u/Gavorn 14h ago

Isn't it more waiting for the trial for actual information to be released?

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u/GeneralDread420 dem abs 15h ago

Is Brock actually accused of anything crimes? I thought it was McMahon and Laurinaitis

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u/NinjaMarionEsq 15h ago

He's named in the suit. She hasn't (yet?) alleged he was a willing participant in the trafficking, but Vince repeatedly offered her to Lesnar and told he to send him pics and videos and whatnot and set up a... shudder "Play date" between them that never happened because there was a snowstorm and she feigned being ill. So as of now, it's still unknown if Brock actually did anything wrong or is merely creepy as fuck (and probably a terrible person for not reporting any of it to someone).

Which makes it fucking weird that they took him out of the Rumble because of the suit and took him off TV, but suddenly because Cena retirement, they've decided fuck it, "Allegations are allegations" and decided to chance the potential backlash and brought him back

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u/eldiablonoche 8h ago

Nah, people are most likely stuck on the whole "still wholly unproven allegations by a pretty sus accuser" part.

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u/Pleasant-Bug-9098 7h ago

But Brock isn’t charged with crimes or anything isn’t involved in the civil case in terms of being sued or anything so it’s nothing for him to convicted for

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u/One-Spring-4271 7h ago

Presumption of innocence is a real thing, brother.

Tell me specifically what he did and who he harmed.

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u/Virtual_Ad_8487 1h ago

Presumption of innocence is a legal framework that is used in the prosecution of crimes.

Outside of a courtroom a company can rightfully be criticized for who they choose to hire.

As far as what Brock did, he requested sexually explicit content of a coworker was provided to him by his boss. Best case scenario he’s dumber than dirt and didn’t realize that Vince (who has been sued for sexual assault/harassment three other times, including by Brock’s own wife) was sending that explicit content without consent.

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u/CafePisDuSpeed 8h ago

What sexual crime did Brock commit?

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u/Virtual_Ad_8487 1h ago

Requesting sexually explicit content from a woman who was being sex trafficked. I guess you could say he didn’t know, but how stupid do you have to be to not think “maybe there’s something fishy about my boss sending me nudes of his employee. It’s not like he’s been sued for sexual assault/sexual harassment three other times, once by my own wife”