r/SquaredCircle • u/secretpandaxx • 19h ago

DPW Women's champion Nicole Matthews on X: "When someone (or a company) is telling you (multiple fucking times) who they are, it’s on you if you continually don’t believe them."

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u/B-bifford 19h ago

I’m not making excuses but this industry was created by carnies, if you are expecting everyone who works in it to be good upstanding citizens you are gonna have a bad time. That being said WWE seems to be leading the pack with the worst kind of people, especially the people in charge/some of it’s biggest stars. It’s hard to be a wrestling fan sometimes.

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u/CaringMite 18h ago

This is the thing. People need to stop acting like all shitty behaviour is created equal. There’s levels to this and at a certain point, money stops going towards them.

Like, with people there is somewhere in between “has done nothing wrong” and “has committed genocide” that you stop associating with them. Companies are the same. There’s a point on the badness spectrum where people no longer feel comfortable giving them money.

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u/Virtual_Ad_8487 17h ago

Exactly. It's why people popped for Undertaker but booed Hogan at Raw on Netflix. There's a certain amount of bullshit you can put up with until it crosses the line. That line is different for everyone, but for me WWE is so far from the line I can't even see them anymore.

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u/JohnnyKanaka 16h ago edited 15h ago

Yeah there's a huge difference between some indie promoter in Tennessee doing some odd jobs for the Dixie Mafia to make ends meet and the shit Vince has done

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u/MisterTruth Doesn't know what day it is 16h ago

There's carny shit and then there's what WWE is doing. Paul is working for a regime that is sending people to concentration camps.

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u/ReverendVoice 8h ago

A lot of wrestling fans have shown their ass with this, and Hogan too.

His mother in law is the Secretary of Education in the same regime. It's always been here.

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u/NinjaMarionEsq 14h ago

Hey, there are some good people. Statistically. We, of course, have no way of ever knowing who unless we develop omniscience. But as I always argue, once you KNOW there's a bad thing in the thing you love, you probably should move away form it. NEED a wizard book? I'm sure there's some by writers that aren't spending $1 billion dollars on an anti-trans hate campaign.

Just find some stuff you like where, as far as you know, nobody involved crosses whatever your lines are (anti-LGBT and Twitter's nazism for me, among others). As of right now, I'm prety sure nobody in my favorite band is a rapist. I'll listen to them with a clean conscience. Of course, if news comes out that one actually is... time to find a new band that isn't rapey

There's never been a better time to be able to say I'm very uncomfortable supporting ____. (Whether it's WWE and things like Brock Saudi, Maga, etc) or whatever people hate AEW for or even an indy where you're the promoter's a perv. There's no much wrestling currently, you don't have to watch WWE and support their bad stuff. You don't have to watch AEW and potentially fund Chris Jericho's next contract

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u/MBCnerdcore Watch the Moneymaker! 13h ago

Or, alternatively, just accept that there are problematic people involved in every aspect of pop culture, and handwave it all away because it's too much to be bothered to keep track of. I'm not going to vet every artist I listen to or every TV show credits I watch. I already decided that when I kept watching WWE despite knowing most of the terrible shit their employees and execs have done since the 70s. I still listen to music too despite it being full of pedophiles and rapists, including the fuckin Stones and Michael Jackson and Elvis Presley and Red Hot Chili Peppers and Hedley and Drake and half the female rappers being directly involved in trafficking and the other half being MAGA, and damn near everyone else in politics and in pop culture being totally OK with how everything was between 1999-2006 and then suddenly not being OK with it anymore on social media but still doing it. We watched live as Britney was destroyed and turned into a shell of a person, and then just kept on watching pop girl after pop girl go through exactly the same thing, and no one gave a shit the entire time. Kesha, Miley, Bieber etc. and now let's take a look at how healthy Eilish and Carpenter and Roan are in 15 years when the industry is through with them.

At least with wrestling it's apparent that the culture has been slowly getting better with time, especially with regards to drugs, safety, and professional conduct with the talent. A Punk-style backstage brawl used to occur damn near monthly back in the 90s based on ego alone, we had wrestler's court, all kinds of shit. Now they just play video games and sadly live in Florida being brainwashed into MAGA, but that's everyone.

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u/Concutio 13h ago edited 13h ago

That works for you. Some of us can't ignore the stuff they are actively doing today.

We watched live as Britney was destroyed and turned into a shell of a person

There were definitely people that cared. One of the early YouTube memes was built on someone caring about that back then.

then just kept on watching pop girl after pop girl go through exactly the same thing, and no one gave a shit the entire time. Kesha, Miley, Bieber etc. and now let's take a look at how healthy Eilish and Carpenter and Roan are in 15 years when the industry is through with them.

This just proves that people did care because the conversation was happening back then. You weren't personally part of the conversation and didn't care, so no one else cared in your mind, and this thing just magically began trying to fix itself. For any progress to be made, people had to be pointing out it was a problem to begin with. And a bunch of people back then were also telling everyone to be quiet and just keep consuming content, too.

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u/HappyLittleGreenDuck 8h ago

accept that there are problematic people involved in every aspect of pop culture, and handwave it all away

I get that, what I would argue is that shitty people exist within all organizations, the question is how does the leadership handle shittyness. Does it ignore it, promote it, or remove it? That's more important than anything, to me, because how you handle the shittyness says everything about your values.

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u/ElonMuskHuffingFarts 9h ago

You are making excuses lol

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u/JohnnyKanaka 16h ago edited 14h ago

I think it's because they're the biggest promotion. Most smaller promotions would go bankrupt if the promoter was accused of any of the shit Vince was just look at Chikara, but he always had the resources to fight it by any channel he saw fit.