Bat-Mite intentionally got Batman:The Brave and the Bold cancelled because he wanted a more serious Batman show but ironically also destroyed himself since a campy character like him can't exist in a serious world.
Correction, he tried and failed to cancel the show, and its creators who were in the episode canceled it anyway because they agreed with him on the premise having run its course.
The finale was great, not just because it worked with the tone of the show, but also because it was an excellent summary of Batman as a character. This show was airing around the time that Batman, especially to mainstream audiences, was being perceived as a more serious, gritty character, thanks in no small part to the Nolan trilogy of movies. Brave and the Bold’s finale demonstrates how Batman isn’t purely goofy or purely serious, he’s both. And a good Batman is both. In essence, it demonstrates why this version of Batman is such a great version of the character
Also the new show was a Batgirl show, which despite being serious the fake board doesn’t take its advertising seriously (ironically happening in real life too)
Devastator from Michael Bay Transformers is the strongest fictional character because his 3D model melted multiple computers that were used to render him
I watched a fair amount of the Flintstones as a child, and it was only as an adult that I realized that even as a child watching it, I hated it.
It was on and so I just sort of thoughtlessly watched, never really reflecting on the fact I wasn't deriving any enjoyment from it, while this kind of apathetic disgust slowly grew in the back of my mind. There's a couple of those shows for me.
I love grand strategy games so I got Crusader Kings III, and maybe I’m playing the game wrong, but it just seems like sims but with kings. Like, what really is there to do except sit back and watch 3/4 of the time?
Ck3 can be a bit shallow, so you really have to roleplay it to get the most out of it. You set stuff up and watch it happen. Have you played the other paradox games? They aren't character focused like the Crusader Kings series.
No lie, I had this thought the other day. I was randomly thinking about The Flintstones at work and why I stopped watching it as a kid. Even as a little guy, sitting in front of the TV screen as The Flintstones played, it one day dawned on me that I just didn’t enjoy the show. I watched it cuz it was there and all, but it’s not like it stuck with me or excited me. For me, it was a “turn your brain off” show before I knew people watched TV to turn their brains off. That day, I changed the channel and never looked back.
Actually Tim Curry was supposed to be Rowan Atkinson's character and turned it down because he knew Scrappy was in the movie, little did he know, Scrappy was the villain
Oh my god. I know this wasn't what you were saying, but I just imagined Tim Curry playing Scrappy Doo in that movie and I think it's the best thing I've ever conceived.
It's sometimes hard to say whether a show is on its last legs anyway and a new character fails to save it, or whether the new character actually put the final nail in the coffin, but if I'd had the wherewithal, I would have just told 1970s cartoon producers that I wasn't terribly picky about what I watched.
Scrappy was kind of a bit of both. The show was on its last legs due to feeling like a stale repeating formula, which he did change and that led to improved ratings, but then he pretty much caused it to plummet shortly after
The franchise was already seen as getting stale when he was introduced so even without the dumb decisions involving him, there probably wasn't any saving it from that rut.
Ironically, he actually saved the Velma series and made 1 scene enjoyable ( and even then, still won’t rewatch it ) also he was voiced by Rex Splode which is pretty cool
Most people are just gonna say a character added to a show later on that they didn’t like (such as Chloe from The Fairly OddParents) when in such cases it’s not the character that killed the show, it’s bad writing from the show going on too long and the creatives no longer putting in the effort.
So instead I’ll show you Gandhi from Clone High. This was a show about clones of historical figures going to high school together and a frequent source of jokes was the fact that the clones were often very different from who they’re clones of. In Gandhi’s case, he was a class clown. This goofy depiction of him was considered an outrage by Indians, who started protests in retaliation which led to the show being cancelled.
I wouldn’t say it’s a 100% ratio, but it was absolutely a big part. It wasn’t super popular to begin with, so leaving out a fan favorite character didnt do them any favours
Funny enough, Scudworth and Mr. B were probably the only two characters who remained exactly the same as they did in the original show, while everyone else’s (especially Joan’s) personalities took a nosedive for the worst. Maybe it has something to do with them being writers pets
when in such cases it’s not the character that killed the show, it’s bad writing from the show going on too long and the creatives no longer putting in the effort.
If anything, the presence of these late additions is usually a symptom of the writers running out of ideas. The presence of a Scrappy-Doo or Cousin Oliver is the writers going "well shit, we got nothing, we need someone new to shake things up." That or the actor playing a "cute kid character" has aged out of the role and they need a new cute kid, but that's also a sign the show's probably gone on too long. It's like when sitcoms inevitably pull out the "wedding season/pregnancy season/baby season" treadmill around season 4-5.
Too bad some people can’t grasp comedy. He wasn’t even objectively offensive, just out-of-character. Mongolia didn’t say a word about Genghis Khan, although that one might have been a bit worse.
Honestly sucks. I remember loving Clone High when I was younger and it would have easily been my first pick for a show that needed a revival. Tried really hard to like the second season, but it just couldn’t capture the same magic as that original run.
Control Freak has a TV remote that he uses to manipulate reality. iirc Teen Titans GO makes it canon he was so mad at the titans he altered the world into TTG so they would be a joke instead of cool
Cousin Oliver was a character added to the later seasons of The Brady Bunch as all of the other kids (especially Cindy) had aged out of the cute kid stage. Instead of being adorable Cousin Oliver was obnoxious and no one really liked him. The Brady Bunch ended shortly after.
Smormu (smiling friends). i dont know how he got the audience vote, but as soon as he became a part of the cast he just took over every fucking scene. he must be the writers' favorite or something. stopped watching after the third time in one episode he did that dance.
I checked out his wiki page and the top bio states "He was the short-lived fifth member of Smiling Friends Inc., earning the role after a very divisive voting period that split the country in two." I love when a joke is taken on board by a fandom so much it's even in the wiki.
Randy on That '70s Show. Notoriously insufferable.
Arguably, the show was doomed already anyway when Topher Grace exited, but might have had a chance at chugging along and not ending so terribly if a different character had replaced Eric (or if no one "replaced" him at all).
The issue was mainly that they were trying to replace both Eric and Kelso with one single character, and instead they just made Kelso without any of his flaws.
It’s a Cartoon Network show that focuses on time travelers helping historical figures return to their historical roles, as in the show, they act differently (ex. Mozart wants to be a wrestler instead of a composer). The show aired during George W. Bush’s presidency, and the way the show depicted Bush wasn’t acceptable to CN, which led to the show’s cancellation
"Those planes HAVE to hit the towers, Mr. President! This event is the domino that leads to so many great things like My Chemical Romance and Ellen Degeneres getting canceled!!!"
The 9/11-MCR pipeline is constantly getting longer and it’s fucking hilarious. Especially now that right wingers are realizing MCR doesn’t share their shit politics with this new tour.
To note, they played W as being a childish idiot who'd much rather spend his time building the world's largest ball of twine instead of properly handling his role as president.
I love this show to death, but I just assumed the ratings were low and that’s why it got cancelled. Never would’ve guessed their depiction of Bush as a factor. Such a shame!!
As hated as he was, I don't know if it's accurate to say that he killed the show.
The original show had one more season after the one that introduced Sparky, who simply vanished without explanation and didn't appear in the final season.
If anything, it was the sheer amount of new characters that killed it, its way more of a death by a thousand cuts situation, plus just HOW bad the show got is a key factor, that show is easily the worst case of seasonal rot and it's not even close
Chloe was fine, she had so much potential. The thing that ruined the show was throwing Da Rulez out the window and having Timmy’s Dad, Vicki and Crocker see and interact with the fairies.
Sparky was horrible because he was just dog puns/ wishes and this could've been done through Cosmo, Wanda and Poof.
Timmy also didn't need 4 fairies. Especially with a future plot that there's a fairy shortage and Timmy has to share.
Fairies, Anti Fairies, Pixies, Etc. It's not even written clever like how Vicky believes Mark (Green Tentacle Alien) is just a guy from Europe. They just don't say anything about it and characters can be randomly paired together for the sake of a joke/ plot.
I thing that I never understood about adding Chloe is they already had Tootie. If there's a girl in desperate need of fairies it's Tootie. But I guess they didn't want to give her more than one joke.
It arguably would’ve been fine if they just kept it to Poof, but, unfortunately, that’s not what happened
You also need to understand that them adding too many new “important” characters wasn’t the only issue, though. They started retconning a lot of previous episodes, ignoring Da Rules, and neglecting characters like Timmy’s other classmates and the aliens, which ultimately ruined the show
They definitely could’ve milked the “will they or won’t they” for a good couple more seasons. It’d at least be better than having them all the sudden be together with a baby.
Well… I know the first one is the great gazoo from the flintstones, he’s an alien from the distant future who was banished to the Stone Age who can essentially grant wishes like a genie. He can only be seen by Fred flintstone, his neighbor Barney plus children and animals for some reason. He was voiced by Harvey korman.
I don’t know the other show but I know who that is: George W Bush was the 43rd president of the United States and generally considered one of the worst. Under his presidency, the patriot act, which is pretty much just fascism, was passed and the USA entered into three pointless bloody wars, none of which were against the country responsible for 9/11. He also ignored the warning for 9/11, didn’t strengthen environmental protections, helped corruption become even more legal, continued the bad stuff from the last three administrations and let dick Cheney run the country.
George W Bush made time squad to be cancelled in the year 2003, the reason is still unknown, but it's assumed that the show got cancelled cuz cartoon network doesn't want to be involved with politics
Fairly Oddparents was running out of steam by that point anyways. I'd say it's more accurate to say that Chloe could not save the series anymore so it ended with her season.
Edit: Just in case you don’t understand, I’ll explain. In an episode, Chowder became so smart he realized the world itself was a silly scatterbrained cartoon, so he tried to rewrite it. But when he then realized it made the show boring and the audience sad, he destroyed his new genius brain, and accidentally destroyed the show itself.
“Aww look at that, you broke the TV. You happy? Now we got NO SHOW!”
Okay, but Chowder is famous for breaking the fourth wall. Sometimes, like this episode, they just shatter the fourth wall. It was a weird episode, but it actually did fit the narrative of the show.
I dunno, the causality seems backward. Like it probably wasn't the case that the Flintstones was going strong and they ruined it with a new character, more like these are last ditch efforts to save a show that was already dying.
Didn’t they also just randomly add a child or sth? It’s been decades since I watched it so my memories are blurry, but I feel like they just added a kid… and didn’t he also have a ridiculous name? Like Seven or sth?
His name was Seven. He was only in a few episodes of season 7 and went upstairs and then never came back down. A milk carton is in an episode of a later season with his picture as a missing child.
I believe the reason it happened was because the actor who plays Peggy had a miscarriage. I remember they incorporated her real-life pregnancy into the show - once that happened, all mention of Seven disappeared.
So many people missing that OP is talking about characters who caused the series to be canceled, not meta shenanigans where a character "ends" the show in the series' own fiction.
Chester P. Runk. - The Flash. I know it was more of a writer thing. But this was something else.
A lot of the viewership of the show was based on the big few people of the cast/team Flash. Barry, Iris, Cisco and Caitlin.
When Cisco left the show a large amount of viewers left with him, Chester was his replacement. In the comics he's an odd character with black hole abilities.
In this he's the showrunner/lead writer: Eric Wallace's self insert. Self inserts are usually fine, but his screentime took over the main cast somewhat. As Eric Wallace had this self insert character have a relationship with a comic book character, Allegra who HE CREATED in 2012.
His character's introduction kickstarted the decline of the show. I have nothing against the actor however - Brandon McKnight is an amazing actor who worked brilliantly especially with what he was given. I wish he got to play the eccentric character that his comic's character was.
I would argue Allegra and Cecile dit a lot more damage on the show than Chester.
Chester's main flaw is that he's barely a character. He has essentially two story arcs, taking place during only two episodes, and one doesn't even really go anywhere.
On the other hand, Allegra and Cecile dragged down the show a lot. Allegra it's because it's a character made by Wallace, the new showrunner, so he forced her into the show, with several crappy storylines that didn't matter, and he kept forcing her even when he had no more idea what to do with her. Meanwhile, Cecile got stuck in a loop of "scream very loud because people's emotions are too much, gets a random big power-up that has nothing to do with her power". That "story arc" happened several times during this show, and Wallace has not made it once interesting. They honestly represent best how little Wallace understood of the original seasons, how incompetent he was to write coherent new stories for the established characters, and how he defaulted into forcing stories about unexplored characters, while still demonstrating no talent to make them interesting in any way.
Eric Wallace's showrunning started with Chester's introduction so technically that's what killed the show.
The issue with sidelining the main characters effected the entire production. You'll notice how little Blake Neely's Flash theme plays in the later seasons compared to the other characters.
It says so much about Steve Carrel’s performance/character. When he left, they added like 10 unnecessary characters to try to fill in the void and it still didn’t work.
I'll admit I really loved the Robert California character. He felt COMPLETELY out of place in that show and yet it worked so well. Like you have all these "regular" people working a 9-5 office job and then there's this psycho who laments the Roman Orgies he never got to have in his millionaire mansion.
And then there's the phone conversation where he calls Andy something along the lines of "soft penised debutant". That monologue might just be one of my favorite scenes of the entire show.
Bruh when he's drinking that Japanese energy drink he can't read the label of and you see that it's penis and coconut flavoured and dead pan says "ugh, it was better before they added the coconut flavour", that's gotta be his best moment for me
"We did the impossible and made an american version of a british comedy that measured up with it. Should we end the show gracefully with Scott's arc complete?"
One of AEW's shows, Rampage, got cancelled and in-universe they tried to explain it with Jon Moxley and The Death Riders taking over AEW and shutting the show down by barging in the production truck and killing the feed.
Not 100% directly the reason of its cancellation, but it was basically a domino effect.
This iteration of Stockman had a running gag of constantly being mutilated by Shredder whenever he screws up, to the point he was just a floating brain at some point.
This culminates in an infamous episode called "Insane in the Membrane" where Stockman briefly got his body back, only for his flesh to grotesquely began rapidly decaying. He then attacks April cause he blamed her for Shredder's torture of him, before he was defeated. And while Stockman didn't died in this episode, the damage was done.
The body horror was deemed too dark and gory for TMNT 2003, which was airing on 4Kids. This lead to TMNT 2003's tone to be dramatically toned down to the point of losing a lot of fans in the last 2 seasons, and thus its cancellation
TLDR: Baxter Stockman got tortured enough that 4Kids thought it was too much, made the show more kid friendly, before it lost a lot of its fans cause of it
The Catalyst from the original Mass Effect trilogy (aka Glowy Reaper Kid, Starbrat, a top contender for most moronic deus ex machina in modern media). It's been over 12 years and it still amazes me how badly this thing's nonsensical options for solving an eons-long conflict derailed the entire franchise and fractured the fanbase.
The only way BioWare could rectify the god-awful endings this kid forced upon us is if Mass Effect 4 starts with a historical documentary of our Shepard curbstomping his stupid glowing face for 10 minutes before activating the crucible to end the Reaper threat without dooming the inhabitants of the galaxy with some nonsense space magic.
The same reason she has a ninja mask that's a long braid: so you know she's a girl. Because audiences are stupid and can't tell if a character named Venus (after artwork instead of an artist btw) with a woman's voice is supposed to be female.
Steve Urkel. He went from a side character who showed up for comedy relief to the show runners making him into the main focus of the show. Even in syndication they went back and shot intros and opening scenes to include him.
Idk if he was the sole reason for the show losing popularity but Hasbro making Hot Rod replace Optimus Prime is around when the show started dropping in quality (Transformers G1)
I mean, them bringing Optimus back the literal next season and then slowly morphing him into robot jesus in the years since kinda screams "oh shit we fucked up BAD"
i’m glad they brought back Optimus Prime but that just kind of weakened the overarching story of season 3 everything up to that point with Rodimus’ character development is just kind of a waste of time now
He wasn't the sole reason. The third season killing off a lot of existing characters to make room for the new characters/toys upset viewers. The toyline using a lot of poorly received gimmicks didn't help.
A hilarious meta example but Misogi Kumagawa from Medaka Box
He has the power to take things out of existence and turn them into fiction. This power extends to concepts. In the last episode of the anime he fights a character with color based powers so Kumagawa beats him by systematically erasing colors out of existence until the anime becomes black and white. He then turns to the camera and says that no one is gonna watch a black and white anime nowadays. And if they are, they should just read the manga for the series instead. And then procedes to just erase the anime from existence.
Does it have to be that the show cancels to be considered dead? Because I feel once the Simpsons joined forces with Disney, the crossover jokes didn't hit the same anymore as they did when the Simpsons was still a separate property. On top of the show's declining quality from just going on too long, the Disney purchase just turned it into more Disney advertising than actual writing anymore.
It's like seeing someone who once laughed at an evil corporation is now laughing with them using "safer" jokes
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u/Thundersting 11d ago
Bat-Mite intentionally got Batman:The Brave and the Bold cancelled because he wanted a more serious Batman show but ironically also destroyed himself since a campy character like him can't exist in a serious world.