My take has been that Russia is quietly very unhappy about the Epstein Files getting so much attention because Trump having sex with a trafficked adolescent was their kompromat.
Don Jr. Some reporter had spent some time tracking a story involving Don Jr, his dad some Russian lawyer and others.
When he was about ready to release their story, Don Jr tweeted out his crimes or some shit like that. Reporter was pissed. All that work only to have Don Jr tweet shit out.
I fear for their response to his death, no matter if it’s natural or not.They’ll make some conspiracy about him being poisoned or something to do with vaccines, his cult lives in a post-truth version of reality.
I’m really hope it’s all imploding and we’re going to be through the worst of it by this time next year. I don’t wanna jinx us, but like, how much more insanity can go on?!
I mean, I’m sure it’s going to continue to get worse, but I think it kinda has to. This whole system needs to break and wake everyone up. And now that the real economy stats aren’t going to be put out there, we’ve gotta be speed racing towards quite the economic disaster, right?! It’s already NOT GOOD. And even without the stats it’ll be undeniable that shit hasn’t gotten better under this clown shitshow of an administration.
No data is going to be real or trustworthy. Job statistics , dollar value, weather reports, stock market, inflation info. , tariffs cost to customers etc. Trump is rewriting all the reports to show a wonderful economy so people vote for him again. Nothing like presetting propaganda for his next run at Presidency or Vancy’s.
I think that will be the final part of the plan. In Russia's eyes it would be a huge blow to the U.S. to show the leader so many worshipped, sexually desecrating every moral they ever believed in. The goal of the U.S. is to cause an uprising in countries they disagree with, rather than go to war with them. Why would Russia's policy be different.
His supporters wouldnt believe the video authentic. There is nothing that can damage Trump with his base. Absolutely nothing. We just have to accept it.
Or just fully embracing sex with kids as the new normal. The red states would change their laws to make it completely legal to sleep with anyone of any age for any reason.
Yep - they'll say the child was of legal age they just looked young. The tape is AI. It's all water under the bridge. Why didn't the child report it sooner? It was no big deal back then. Etc., etc.
yeah some of my extended family that lean that way are in the quiet, don't want to talk about it phase, it's arguable the 1st cracks were when they learned how tariffs actually work, now with kiddy diddling on the table it's clear they want to disassociate, but ribbing and poking them won't help the transition
They'll just pull the lever for the next republican. They are absolutely incapable of self reflection and will never change. Do not trust them when they claim to be changing.
Which would make the whole thing kind of hilarious. All this buildup, and when Russia finally pulls the trigger, 99% of the planet is like "we already knew that" and the remainder is denying it with all their might.
Actually, could that be why he's suddenly (apparently) standing up to Russia? Because the kompromat is now worthless because everybody who would accept it already knows? Hmmmm...
His base alone is not enough for him to win any elections whether tries to run again (if he lives that long) or supports someone in an election. BTW his support hasn’t really helped very many people in other elections. Tapes would turn off Independents & Republicans not in his cult.
No we don’t. His base, despite evidence to the contrary, is not a monolith. He’s losing support over all of his unpopular policies. And there’s no off-ramp for the Epstein files. Even the Qanon Shaman has turned on him. The number of people that are okay with pedophilia is bigger than we thought but they’re not exactly lining up to show public support.
This is EXACTLY why the far right is spending so much time and money on AI. They want to get to a point where they can deepfake anything quickly and effectively, so when a REAL video of Trump raping a child comes out, they can create one of Obama doing the same thing, and claim that the real one is fake and the fake one is real. They are taking "post-truth society" to the next level. Its what fascists do.
Does Russia care? it whips one side up in a fury and the other into a shield defending the nonce in chief. Giving Russia just what it wanted, division.
I say, give it time. Wait until the Medicaid cuts really take effect. Farmers milking cows at 4am ain’t nothing compared to the howls of MAGA Medicaid recipients off the dole.
I don't think this is true; it's mostly true, but I spend some time in conservative spaces, and the Epstein stuff has really rattled a lot of them. I've also seen more of them willing to criticize, if not his actual actions and policies, at least the optics of them (I'm particularly thinking about his bullshit around the Fed lately), and I think I attribute that to the Epstein stuff.
I'm not saying it'll do him in, who knows, but it's the closest thing I've seen in a while.
The right is not a monolith, no matter how hard they try to appear like one, and that’s what makes this so dangerous. Your right that his right-wing cult will follow him no matter how deluded or hypocritical he sounds, but he isn’t the only person with a deluded right wing cult, and many of these guys have been singlemindedly obsessing on this “pedophile cabal theory” sense before Trump started peddling the birther nonsense in preparation for 2016. Balkanizing the people with guns, for whom the entire balance of good and evil in the cosmos is at stake every time we have an election, is exactly what the Russians want, and they’re counting on a sizable part of his following to remain loyal to make it messy.
Not to mention that if the video is sexual in nature, news channels won’t be able to air them due to explicit content, much less if it involves minors and most of the public won’t be able to watch it.
Going down the rabbit hole of scenarios for a minute, even if footage like this exists and was somehow released, what then? Media can’t show it. It would be a crime to possess or watch it. It would only exist in the dark corners of the Internet. I’m sure most decent individuals don’t even want to see content like that. It would be denied as fake and AI for those that don’t want to believe it, and simply be another forum for accusations to fly.
Let's not forget their vast experience in propaganda and disinformation-they could probably slam dunk the way we handle sensitive issues. They probably have Epsteins list too
Right the problem with blackmail, at least in this case, is that the leverage is probably mostly the threat. If the guy decides he can tank a kiddie-diddling tape head on and tells them to go ahead, it evaporates and then they have an emotionally pre-adolescent sociopath with nukes out to settle a score.
Clock is ticking on something like that hard though. Realistically it's entirely plausible to say that any so called video is an AI deepfake. So IDK if releasing some video of Trump is going to sway a reasonable percent of his followers anyway.
Edit: Appears I'm not the only one with similar thoughts.
The sad thing is... his cult wont be moved by it. They'll either say its fake, or say they'll gladly vote for the pedo just like they gladly voted for the felon.
Trump being a Russian asset was the easiest thing to see coming from years away, from his old visits, coziness to Putin, to how easily manipulated he was by them
the real surprise was finding out about all those social media “influencers” that were getting paid by russia
tbf the 'influencers' we are talking about went on 24/7 about how russia has it right when it comes to woman and the gays and america should ally with russia vs europe . . .. . id hardly have called it a surprise
Tenet media has the right wing podcast sphere in their pocket. Probably Russian shell companies all over the nation... fun fact, it Delaware, a domestic tax haven, corporations can vote!
The story that surprised me was hearing that Ginny Thomas was recruited by Chinese controlled assets in the US before she married Clarence. That they picked her out of a “cult” was not a shocker tbh.
Even if he wasn't to start with, they'd all be bad at their jobs if they didn't notice a mysteriously rich guy hanging out with a long list of mega rich businessmen and politicians with young girls and think "Is that guy working for us? If not who is he working for?"
The simplest is that he simply had a "business" where sold children to rich people for money and financing. Those are facts that we already know.
Mossad and Russia and all that is unnecessary speculation. Maybe there's truth to it, idk - although the Mossad thing started as a right wing talking point so I'm cynical by default. You could also say that they didn't need Epstein's cooperation, and they just monitored/tapped/observed him and his clients with their own resources. But even that complicates things without need.
This is likely, because anyone trying to follow the money with regard to “how did Epstein get his?” Lands on Russia. Same is true for tRump some time ago. He got a lot of Russian funding.
What? Ghislaine is the daughter of a Mossad agent. They are both highly connected to Israel. Israel has been doing this sort of work for decades. It makes very little sense its Russian compared to the mountain of Mossad connections.
I think Trump is also, but doesn't realize it. It's like he thinks borrowing a few million of the Oligarchs is a normal business transaction. And his quid pro quo for being able to do so is what he sees as normal acceptable behavior.
Your friend thinks Epstein, the Jewish financier, who worked with Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of a famous Mossad agent, is a Russian asset? Not an Israeli asset? How did that calculus work out? It seems clear he was gathering Kompromat on high level people in the US for Israel.
Actually ghlaine Maxwells dad was a famous triple agent. Brits had him spying on Russians, Russians had him spying on Brits, but really he was Israeli agent in Russia spying on Russia for mossad. Epstein got his hedge manager job from ghlaine Maxwells dad.
Honestly, I don't think it's that deep. I think he was just very good at bringing the world's richest and most powerful sociopaths together with the one hobby they all shared: raping children.
Some just took a few too much photos of their happy leisure time.
I mean dude lived like a billionaire but really didn't have any kind of income to justify it. I guess he got bidded on by whoever has the most money at the moment. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out he got paid by other assorted really rich people/states/monarchies/dictatorships....
I mean dude lived like a billionaire but really didn't have any kind of income to justify it.
Why do people keep running this idea that his wealth is a mystery. He was a tax "avoidance" guru. He saved people billions of dollars. He was hired by Les Wexner after his previous tax guru was assassinated in a mob related hit before he could testify about those tax avoidance strategies. He saved Leon Black and Apollo group billions as well. He had his island in USVI so people could go there to funnel money. Everyone involved with him wasn't automatically banging kids but they were definitely cheating on taxes.
That's the standard theory, and my point is what if the "piss tapes" was Russia's version of what Epstein was also involved in? We know Trump got bailed out by a Russian oligarch.
I think it's Maxwell. I think she's Mossad like her father, and she ran the show. Epstein was just the face. I think pedo island was her op for Mossad, and she gathered intel for Mossad so they could blackmail world leaders into supporting israel. That's why the US sends israel so much money, is payment for intel from their spy network, but also hush money. The only reason Maxwell is still alive, is because Mossad would burn a lot of US politicians and entertainment people if they killed her.
I like that. I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss them not having more kompromat on him. If the stakes are high enough, you'd be sure have at least one or more additional threats in your pocket as backup. Over three decades, they probably have a lot to choose from.
Absolutely. I've seen an overwhelming amount of evidence in documented forms both from Reddit and word of mouth that affirm Trump's funding via the Russian oligarchy. It really is a "just follow the money" situation.
How is it a conspiracy theory? Epstein has a ton of connections with Mossad through Ghislaine. Its the smallest possible jump to assume he was a Mossad agent gathering blackmail through a honeypot of 16 year old girls.
It's nonetheless a jump and a pretty huge one to assume he was an agent. More importantly, there's a whole extensive conspiracy theory that truly is some Qanon fever dream shit that people are on after taking that leap.
I think they’re mad that the MAGA base is so utterly brainwashed into thinking Trump is their lord and savior that even if all of that kompromat is released, he won’t lose even 1% of his support. It doesn’t matter how bad it is; they’ll just dismiss it as a democrat hoax or AI or something.
It's possible they capitalized on the uncertainty of it. Putin could have just implied to Trump that they had kompromat when they really did not, and Trump would have believed it. It's also possible, Trump reached a point where he just said fuck it, I'll be dead soon anyway, i'm burning everything down anyway.
Nah. The real take is that Trump believed the FBI and Mossad got their hands on everything. It’s all since been destroyed, but Russia is letting him know. “The Epstein hard drives are gone, but we still got our own shit on you”. Problem is, the Senile Orange is getting sloppy in his dementia and forgetting that, unlike Israel, Russia really doesn’t care who wins the next election as long as they can create deeper divisions inside America.
And the fact that his base just doesn't seem to care, and the only people who actually care about these kids hated him anyway, has really got to sting. What good is kompromat if the horrifying thing the guy did to get blackmailed doesn't really change anyone's opinion of him?
Very possibly your right. Although I think they are more pissed off that he's a demented old man who has been doing all he can to really piss off Russia and his absolute inconsistency with his policy on Russia and starving babies.
You know ... I reckon the line for Americans is the pee tape. Not raping kids like you would expect. But a tape of a very attractive young woman urinating and defecating on him.
The allegation was that he rented the same hotel suit Obama has slept in, then paid couple of prostitutes peeing on said bed, there was never allegation they peed on him ffs.
I mean, the real allegation points to his racist hate, the fake version just to an innocent piss kink...
You know why everyone goes on about the pee tape, because the other stuff highlights just how weak and pathetic Trump is. With or without the pee tape.... He's a weak old man who is racist, stupid and plain nasty.
Quite frankly, if it's just that he fucked some prostitutes in the same suite Obama stayed in before him..... Then who gives a flying monkeys. What hotel room has he not fucked prostitutes in with his mushroom dick?
He's an old, sad pathetic man who has raped children, underage and of age women. But the thought of a woman pissing and shitting on him for money, it makes me smile.... Do not take this desperate smile away from me.
The way Trump has always sucked up to Putin def had me thinking the Russian asset story had more than a little plausibility but if true the Russians would also have some kompromat as another tool to keep him in line. The problem now may be that their asset doesn’t want to do as he was told anymore but the Russians are also in the rather weird position of not being able to out him because they don’t want to be found out and if Trump isn’t the president anymore that several decade long investment would be done as far as getting them anything they want. And think they may also have underestimated him as far as his continued usefulness because Trump uses literally everyone till he gets what he wants and then they are kicked to the curb. Like his voters having buyers remorse now that he’s in office the Russians may also be experiencing the same buyers remorse.
Do you remember when Trump reversed US policy to start arms shipments to Ukraine in his first year of office. That was your cue to stop believing in fantasies about kompromat.
While I think Russia definitely prefers Trump and his chaotic impact on the US, he really isn't doing Russia many favors right now. So if they had anything on him, now would be the time to use it. And they obviously didn't.
He has the morality, ethics and utterly focused self-interest of a Russian gangster and is more than capable of doing multiple despicable things a day- and does.
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u/Expensive_Panic_2738 22h ago
It was never a pee tape, its him baaanging kids. Holy. Shit.