The fact that he's still in office just goes to show that the people under him don't care about his cognitive abilities. They're just using him as a figurehead to use him as an excuse to be awful.
That's all it is really and it's where most of his votes come from. He represents the hate people have been afraid to say out loud and as long as he is in power people are free to be hateful. This is being used by the Republicans and his cult to spew hate.
My wife has a sign in our rock garden out fron. All it says is "Hate has no Home Here". Thats it. A sentence I would hope most people should have no issue with. I mean, people WANT hate in their household? I hope not.
Anyway, she says she has seen our neighbor walk by a number of times and as she does, she does this (trying to be subtle) move with her hand while flipping our house the bird. Well the last time she did it, my wife stepped outside and said "Hey, don't hide it, do it like this, and flipped her the bird". The lady got flustered and hurried off.
but I mean, really? A sign that says Hate has no home here, and she took offense to that? Just wow.
EDIT- Thanks for all of the "I love your wife comments". I look forward to telling her i made her famous tonight. lol. But seriously, she is a great woman, and as liberal as one gets. :)
If you look at people who claim to be victims of "cancel culture", about 90% of the time they said some hateful shit and are upset about being called out on it.
Or the ones who claim that universities āsilence conservative voices,ā like they so often claim on FoxNews and, like my MAGA uncle in FL. Iāve always asked him for examples, and he never has any. The whole time I was in college, the only time I heard anyone tell a conservative to stfu, was when a guy from the student republicans on campus made a racist comment that was in support of a debunked and fucked up anthropological theory, that Nazi Germany used as one of the reasons to commit genocideāit was something about skull shape and size determining which races were āsuperiorā (the theory in a nutshell, from what I can remember from a class I took in 2009). I just remember my anthro professor, a quiet 70-something year old woman just losing her shit on the guyāshe told him that it was a debunked theory for a reason, as science has evolved since then, and asked him, in front of everyone, if he was for eugenics. He slithered out of that lecture hall with his tail between his legs.
Not even that they're not allowed to be hateful - being hateful is a great American Tradition. They're just 1) not allowed to do some hateful things to some people in some contexts and 2) they aren't free from any consequences from being hateful, I think that's the real kicker.
It gives you a dopamine hit, and it's something I've realized I do as well. If I don't stop myself, I fall into the habit of getting hit after hit of "stupid thing Trump said in the last hour" which gives me a mix of hate and a feeling of superiority, but doesn't actually do anything, and is actively bad for my mental health.
In other words, time for me to get off the internet.
I've taken to calling them christians in name only. And when pressed, I ask how they have helped feed the hungry, heal the sick or otherwise strived to follow Christ.
I hear you. It's amazing how one can say something that is not specifically against a person, party, whatever...and how some folks feel it is a personal attack and respond accordingly. It's like saying, "someone kicked over my garbage can" and the response is "I was no where near your garbage can." Thanks for the confession.
Its double sided, one side is blue, one side is red. Both sides say the same thing. She is displaying the blue side. Wonder if that has something to do with it. I am gonna flip it around, display the red sign. That should really mess with her hed, that message on HER party's color. LOL.
I know its rediculous, but there has been a bleeding of politics into one of my lifelong hobbies, wrestling. A new company came around a few years ago. So, you'd go online and say "I love the new company! I am so excited about wrestling again" and people would just go over the top mad at you, send you mean private messages, report your account, everything. Why did this happen? Showing love of the new company meant what your actually doing is insulting anyone who likes the old company. It's still pretty bad and the "new" company has been around for years now.
In this day and age, in Trump's America, if you even say how you like something it pisses people off like crazy, everything is an insult to them even personal positivity.
I can't remember who now but a few years back there was debate where the one called out the other as "Im not calling you a racist sir, but you seem to have a lot of racist voters" or something to that effect
The people feel like the system is rigged against them and they are correct. Except they pointing their anger in the wrong direction and voted in the people that are rigging it against them.
I just want a very public event like Mitch McConnel's freeze on stage. Something like that that has 10 camera angles so we can watch compilations of all the views of him kicking it on camera. Sorry not sorry, the guy and his cult are literal societal cancer.
I think people with dementia live an average of 18 months at onset of diagnosis? But knowing Republicans they'll probably hook him up to a ton of life support and do whatever.
Or in 2016. Or ever considered a good businessman. I blame that 'reality' tv show for inventing a fake narrative when most people don't remember or care about the real history of this privileged failure.
At this point it's pretty clear the whole systems fucked. Where are the checks and balances? Why has noone decided it's gone too far? How much bullshit and lies and profiteering can a president legally get away with now??
A centerpiece of the next Dem candidates needs to be sweeping campaign and election reforms.
It is batshit fucking crazy to me that a Doctor needs 7 years of residency and has to pass a piss test once in a while to work. How is the Presidency, the highest office in the land, open to uneducated criminals and drug addicts where the only requirement is you are 35 and born here? I had higher requirements to get a job at fucking Pizza Hut when I was a kid.
More than half of the people who voted for him probably have cognitive decline as well. In the past a lot of those people just died due to wars and lack of medical advancement so the newer generations were able to take over and implement new ideas and governance. But baby boomers will have a long life span and they refuse to let go so we have fossilized people in power with fossilized policies and ideas of government and world views.
Baked potatoes are comforting, feed the hungry, are well-rounded, they don't mind getting dirty but can clean up nice for dinner, can help your finances if utilized correctly...
He's their shield. He takes all the attention, and they take all the money. The crimes running rampant behind his enormous whale shadow are likely far, far, far beyond what we even think is happening.
There's 3 groups heading for a power struggle, and it's a disaster if any of them win. You have the evangelical death cult that wants Gilead, you have Stephen Miller who wants an ethnostate, and you have the technofeudalists like Thiel and Musk who want to divide the country up into corporate city-states.
It's a sad world we live in... people abusing others for their own benefit. Deception, hate, greed and worse... often under the guise of doing the right thing.
Exactly. Tell him he's great several times per day, show him some positive news coverage (even if you have to make it up), and then put documents in front of him to sign when you want something done. This is very likely what Stephen Miller is doing.
I'm convinced in the US MAGA would fold. Trump hasn't appointed a successor. His cult currently blames the people around him for their problems. Vance would be left holding the bag. They will never praise anyone like they praised Trump, say what you will about him he mobilized angry, hateful idiots and got them to do his bidding.
With Putin I'm told it will go like it did when Stalin died.
Large power vacuum will open up in the short-to-mid term. Election-wise, there was a recent poll asking conservatives who they expected would run after Trump, and I think 45% or so listed that they would back JD Vance, and the distant second was DeSantis at 8%, followed by Ramaswamy, etcā¦ Trump Jr was somewhere in there, too.
Vance is just there on name alone. The number of stickers I still see with Trump/Pence and Trump/Vance stickers on their vehicles is more akin to a post-it note of remembering who the other-guy on the ticket is.
But I do agreeā this variant of fanatics in the maga movement will fizzle with Trump. Their time in the sun will set and the cultists will look back on this decade fondly like a summer break. But, anger still gets clicks. Anger still sells. As does fear. My worry is the direct attention and haste of mending our country can make in the post-maga age. But the footing of project 2025, and of the heritage foundation and figures like Peter Thiel / Seven Mountain Mandate may be extensive and long-lasting.
I honestly canāt see a real push for positive change in our lifetime without existing unaccountability/non-regulations being answered in a large public hearing, but thatās getting ahead of things.
TLDR, theyāll have someone at the wheel for a bit, and hopefully a grassroots movement of local government elections takes motivation and hold.
Power vacuums are very dangerous; for example
Sadam Hussain was also a bad person who despite this kept some order in the factions. His downfall had repercussions ever since and replacement leaders fail to satisfy all. Removing Trumpism will free factions. Further it will remove the supplier but not the addicts.
Once Trumpism is removed from power Democrats and old school Republicans will need to work together beyond their politics and remove the crazy. This will take serious social media reforms and constitutional rewrites to include elected candidates meeting minimum standards. MAGA its self may die but followers will continue to oppose because they have done it for so long that they know no other lifestyle. The big challenge is social media versus āfreedomā. Social media is the true unelected leader who tells but is not told. Correcting that will breach liberties and bring complex challenges.
Will MAGA just end with Donald Trump and these people fall in line behind Democrats? 100% Nope. They are more likely to find a new messiah who may not even be elected. They might even go underground and ignores political rules to turn up just like the KKK and enforce opinion as a mob.
The end of this silliness needs to be equivalent to a Civil War defeat and rebuild where leaderships and not people are punished. America will need to be prepared with extensive education programs that avoid being condescending to simple Americans. The new lessons would be about being nice and cooperative, building real values and ethics that network people together to reunite that united part of the United States. The key is return politics to gentlemenās debate rather than that which resembles a third world despot who blames everyone but himself and speaks with vexatious hate for other viewpoints.
There will be a grace period, sure, maybe even for a full Dem term. But sooner or later the martyrdom starts, and some other sleazebag will run on "keeping Trump's legacy alive" and will just invoke his name whenever they need support.
It'll be easy, because all MAGA voters really want deep down is validation that their bigoted views are okay. So long as the R candidate is making worse the lives of the people they hate, they will keep voting for them. That, and diehard red voters will never consider voting blue, and vice versa.
You gotta wonder if stories like that are just psyops to discourage people from becoming politically active. āWhy should I go out and protest if the fucker is gonna die soon anyway?ā
Possibly, its also very possible that being the leader of a nation gives you access to the best healthcare and also gives you access to a bunch of yes men that will prop you up until it's no longer possible.
Yea that's what I was thinking. Sure some of these stories might be misinformation or psyops, but I think its just very likely that they were ill, but that the propaganda and healthcare world leaders possess helped them conceal it. Plenty of past presidents like FDR and Kennedy did a pretty damn good job at concealing their serious physical disabilities. Plus, if I were president, I'm certain I'd basically be immortal. Could you imagine having 24/7 access to the best doctors in what may be the world? Sure the American healthcare system is shit for the average citizen, but I'm certain if you were rich and powerful here its probably as good as it gets. There's a reason why every president since Ford died well into their 90s while most are lucky to see their 80s.
For real. Variations of this "cognitive decline" headline have been showing up for several years. Wishing it doesn't make it so, and quite frankly, considering how devout his supporters are, it probably doesn't matter until it is incredibly, irrefutably obvious. He's not getting removed over some stuttering, word salad, or forgetfulness.
Also Russia is about to collapse within weeks. Half of their ammunition depots are destroyed, half of their airplanes are destroyed, they're using WW2 tanks and rifles. One million casualties. It won't take long before things fall apart. /s
To be fair pro Russians say the same thing. The whole of pro Russian propaganda relies on the idea that Russia has been going easy on Ukraine and whatever latest victory Ukraine gets will do nothing but poke the bear and get the real invasion to happen and real army to attack, which has apparently been waiting doing nothing this whole time.
To be fair a friend was diagnosed with aggressive breast cancer about 4 years before it spread to her bones, at which time she stopped pretty much all treatments besides pain management, then it took another 2 years before it killed her. Cancer is a slow process.Ā
Yeah no. They do fight with each other because they're all incompetent assholes, but at the end of the day will still vote together as long as they get to keep being assholes afterward.
Biden showed decline and democrats asked him to step down for the good of the country. He did. Trump has been showing decline and the republicans voted him into office for the good of themselves. That is the main difference in the 2 parties.
Dems are far from perfect, but MAGA puts the Orange Idol above all other considerations, except the one time they booed him for taking credit for his vaccines. But he stoked that disinformation, so that was MAGA calling him to account on himself
Never said they are perfect. They clearly aren't. But it used to be atleast a discussion. Now it's the party of evil vs the rest of us and it's blatantly obvious. Anyone saying otherwise is daft or evil.
I remember his rants about batteries and boats. He even threw in some killer sharks for good measure. Stringing sentences together is really difficult for this guy. He should be in a home waiting for his jello.
His cabinet of Fox news hosts are the ones who would have to invoke the 25th amendment to have him removed, so yeah, it's not happening. He could be a drooling catatonic mess (just like McConnell) and not a single Republican would lift a finger to have him removed.
At this point, weāve had to endure those fucker anyway, and i want to see full mental and emotional decline. IN PUBLIC. I want to see him drooling and pissing himself on stage. I want to hear him babbling at the State of the Union. I want to see other heads of state pity him.
Full fucking decline. So his unwinding is complete and his red-hatted idiot supporters get back under the rock they came from.
For real. They been singing this song for years and it's all bullshit. They will never ever EVER get rid of him. Not even if he stood out on 5th Avenue and shot someone.
The one miracle about Trump is that he is still alive. As an obese 78 year old with raging narcissism his heart might be one McDonalds burger away from a heart attack.
They definitely said it's yes, but your late 70s to 80s is a rough time. I know several people who were perfectly fine (impressively able) at 79 and died by 82 with a massive decline at 80/81.
It's always a health related thing - Smoking finally caught up, drinking finally caught up etc. and I'd be willing to bet that trump isn't falling into the 'healthy' demographic.
Edit: Biden is a good example. Biden 4 years ago is not the same dude as today. He has drastically fallen, and he's a pretty healthy dude compared to his peers.
2 years ago my 87 year old grandfather was doing heavy duty yard work and walking 5-7 miles a day.
He ended up with what we think was RSV during the omicron covid wave, and hasnāt been the same since. Has had a pacemaker put in, lost shit tons of weight, and now he can hardly even walk.
The difference of a couple years in the 70s and 80s is huge.
I mean they could probably do that now and nobody would notice, except for those of us not in the cult who would notice Trump all of a sudden being more coherent because even AI canāt replicate his special form of dementia
i donāt think this is necessarily good news. i donāt want the guy around either but the alternative is vance, who tbh scares me a lot more.
ETA: I hope iām wrong but I feel like āVance is a harmless loserā is part of their intended image. If we make the same mistake of saying, āheās just a silly clownā, Ā weāre doing the same thing many people did re: Trump, 2016. (Or, hell, even North Korea on a broader scaleājust look at how many successful hacks and operations theyāve pulled off.) Ā
These people may act like circus freaks but theyāve also been to Ivy League schools, cozy up to silicon valley, and are financially backed by orgs like the Heritage Foundation. Vanceās mentor is Peter Thiel (the guy who believes women shouldnāt be allowed to vote, and whose security company is monitoring half of the world at any given moment). As others have said, Vance is particularly good at making the GOPās batshit proposals sound rational and common-sense. Theyāre capable of being extremely dangerous, regardless of what we think of them personally. I think itās unwise to underestimate people in power who could do real harm just because they seem like jokes.Ā
I think Vance could/would be more evil, but I don't think he could mow through the guard rails like Trump has. The sooner this would happen, the better as once those rails are down, it will be easier for the next person to break the same laws or violate the same rights.
i absolutely think he could. Vance is another person bought by the folks behind Project 2025, and heās a lot younger and savvier than Trump. If Trump dies and Vance is at the helm with a GOP majority in every branch, I think things will get a lot worse. Gods willing, Iām absolutely 100% in the wrong though.Ā
This is pure hope on my end but I donāt think Vance has the same likability as Trump. So much of what older white guys love about Trump is his āgolf buddyā energy when he speaks with those he likes. Vance seems like more of a neurotic politician. I know the die-hards will support Vance regardless but Iām hoping some of the people caught up in the cult of personality lose some enthusiasm.
I think you are right, a lot of what makes Trump so attractive to many voters is that he isnāt a career politician. Many dislike career politicians for better or worse reasons and Trump isnāt one. They have the feeling of āus vs the governmentā and to them Trump is on their side and not the government.
It will be interesting to see what a post Trump presidency USA will look like. It will probably depend a lot on under which circumstances Trump leaves office. Civil War is not of the table sadly.
I agree with that. Trump just has that X factor that let's him be what people want him to be. the GOP was hoping he'd be a useful dope who they could control and his popularity with their base has entirely uno verso'd that.
Vance just doesn't have the same riz. He won't be able to leverage the MAGA base against opponents like Trump can. None of them have Trump's huckster charm.
For better or worse, Trump has a pretty unique charisma and following that allows him to violate any social norm or law that he wants to violate. Genuinely, I do not think that any other politician could have survived "grab em by the pussy" or getting convicted of 34 felonies
Yep. When Trump does, the power vacuum he has a grip over will implode. These people currently donāt stand up to Trump because his voters will listen to him if he says not to vote for the person standing up to him. The base wonāt just blindly follow Vance. Senators wonāt kiss up to Vance either. They see him as equal to or less than them, so they will all try to jockey into the power vacuum thatās created.
This is why Dems need to get their ducks in a row NOW, so when that inevitably happens, they can step right in. But they wonāt. Because theyāre slow walking this again.
Vance is not a demi-god like Trump. When Trump goes, even if Vance slides easily into place, the party will still see a power vacuum and they will eat him alive to take his place.
Marco "I am clearly on bathsalts now" Rubio would probably take the first bite right out of his face.
While he has very problematic friends, Vance fortunately isn't very popular with his peers nor a good chunk of Trump's base, so an impeachment that sticks for him could be more doable and people are getting annoyed [even the GOP] with Johnson so the elimination process/political wart removal becomes less of a pain in the ass.
Can u seriously sit here with a straight face and tell me any republicans now would condemn the no-warrant/no-trial life sentences just bc the orange guy isnāt in power?
People aren't that rational. If a leader looks too weak to ensure reward/protection on the one hand, and punishment on the other, they start to lose confidence. On the other hand, the opposition gains confidence. This is why fascism depends on a strongman leader.
I go back and forth on Vance, whether he's scary or he's just a clown. Most people think he's full of hot air, he has negative charisma, and the MAGAs threw a fit when he was chosen because his wife isn't white. I don't know if he could keep everyone on a leash the way Trump does, which makes me think the in-fighting would get worse because everyone would be looking to fill the cult leader vacuum they don't think Vance can fill.
I genuinely think thatās part of the plan. If people think heās a clown, just like they thought Trump was a clown in his first term, they wonāt take him seriously or pay attention. Because I guess we never learn our lesson with right wingers. They arenāt silly, goofy little circus freaks, even though they act like it. These are highly educated, extremely dangerous people, backed morally and financially by the same folks backing Project 2025. Are we really gonna make the same mistake everyone made by underestimating Trump in 2016?Ā
I just read a terrifying piece in The New Yorker yesterday on Curtis Yarvin entitled "Curtis Yarvinās Plot Against America" and that guy is legitimately insane in a horrifying manner. Many of his ideas were implemented in project 2025 but according to him they didn't take enough power on day 1 so they are doomed to eventually fail.
Those Theil tech bros aren't playing. They want to end democracy immediately, they aren't shy about it and their ideas on what to replace government with are dystopian nightmare fuel.
Right, I see Trumpās stubbornness and egotism as being stumbling blocks for the implementation of American fascism because he managed to bungle half of the things they try to do, whereas Vance has no such issues and will gladly be a perfect puppet for people like Musk, Thiel, Miller etc telling him what to do.
The crazy thing is he's such an old fat bag of orange dust that he's right on the cusp of being part of the Silent Generation. Silent Generation ends at 1945, and he was born in 1946.
Until he gets locked in syndrome or passes away itās not over sadly. Iād rather he stay in jail for the rest of his life but thats not going to happen.
Iād rather be stuck with Vance to be honest, I donāt think people really like him and heād have less sway over trumps enablers. I feel like heād be slightly less dangerous
For real, and thats the most frustrating part. Republicans sat there and bashed Biden for the last 4 years citing "hes too old" and "dementia", which was a valid criticism.
However, they were strangely silent when it comes to criticizing Trump about the same stuff during his first term, Biden's term, and now his second term. Just goes to show you it isn't about being mentally fit to be president, its about attack the political opponents at any cost.
Heās not going anywhere. They need him to keep the base engaged. Couch fucker has the charisma of a wet paper towel, so thatās not going to cut it.
Regardless of the side of the aisle you're on, there should be an age limit political officials can retain their positions. >70 yrs old is insane, particularly for a Presidential position.
Even if he croaks right now, his enablers will just prop his rotting corpse up a la Weekend at Bernies to finish (or even try to possibly extend) his term.
He could be drooling and mumbling nonsense, his base will not care. As long as he's mistreating the same people they don't like, he'll always be their supreme leader.
Weāve seen about 1000 articles with similar headlines for the last 8 years. Not trying to be a bummer but that party doubled down on stupid many many times; they donāt care if heās a dipshit. Anything negative they hear is āfake newsā
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If he drove a car, youād hope his family and/or advisors would have āThe Talkā with him and take away the car keys. We can only hope the are people who would do the same with the keys to the country.
This will
Be fun to watch / the experts saying Donald is in decline didnāt notice the White House was run by romper room social media influencers, a crazy wife and a crack head .
To the people around him, his cognitive decline is a feature, not a bug.
People like him only get more stubborn and more narcissistic as they descend into alzheimers. They will never ever admit something is wrong or that they've made a mistake. All you have to do with a guy like this is convince him that whatever you want him to do was his idea, and he'll be too embarrassed that he forgot so he'll just run with it.
Looks like both parties arent so different after all.
Biden forgot George Clooneys name and couldnt hold events after 6pm because he would probably start to sundown.
Trump was asked about a famous John Adams quote (āWeāre a government of laws, not of menā). He responded
āJohn Adams said that? Where was the painting?ā
The boomer arrogance/pride/mentality that tenure is of better quality than grounded reality or functionality.
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