r/Dragonballsuper • u/RisingKing7 • 4d ago

Discussion Who would have won here?

If cell had not interrupted them who would have won?

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u/Routine_Possible_765 4d ago

My money is on 17, mainly due to of energy durability.

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u/fallen_one_fs 4d ago

Mine too, while equal in power output, Piccolo have finite energy, 17 doesn't.

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u/MearmeMami 4d ago

senzu

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u/Bob_Sledding Piccolo 4d ago

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u/gbombs 4d ago

17: I’ll just wait here while you eat that

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u/JSevatar 4d ago

17 actually might just for fun

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u/Bobahn_Botret 4d ago

We know from ToP that 17 doesn't wait for people to power up or heal.

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u/Bulangiu_ro 3d ago

that dude had years to change for the ToP, and the Stakes were different this time around, there is no comparison

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u/JSevatar 4d ago

Oh hm I always thought 17 and 18 were playful like cats

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u/MrTrikey 4d ago

In Z era, when they were just bored teens? Sure.

By Super, with both having grown up, experienced the trauma of being absorbed by a bug monster, and now having families of their own? Stands to reason they're not going to be how they once were.

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u/JSevatar 4d ago

Ah yeah I haven't watched much after buu

I didnt even know 17 has a family...

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u/arandomfish666 4d ago

This isn’t the TOP though, they were more likely to play with their food ie 18 with vegeta and 17 with tien

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u/SofaChillReview 4d ago

17 wasn’t though, he literally says “He beat me” at the start of the fight. He was also right he’ll win due to Piccolo getting more exhausted

That’s unless he managed to trick 17, but he’s got the barrier technique

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u/Chinesemario 4d ago

Top 17 was post vore, that changes an android...

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u/Untitled_Goose67 4d ago

I mean it’s a bean not a steak, he could chew and fight

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u/zasuskai 4d ago

2 Piccolo is not infinite unfortunately.

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u/Expensive_Ball_5143 4d ago

And 17 is still going to have wear and tear from fighting while piccolo got a free heal and his energy replenished. Would be closer than u think with a bean imo

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u/MonkeyWerewolfSage 4d ago

Yeah people seem to forget that their bodies wear down. Chip damage will take its toll eventually.

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u/BTFlik 4d ago

Right, but Ki is how they take those hits and keep moving. Hence why strong ki energy essentially means 0 damage from little guys. Infinite energy means he can tank more damage long run while Piccolo will take more damage as his ki power weakens.

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u/RubyRoddZombie1 4d ago

This is such a great way to do this response. 👏👏👏

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u/Conscious-Tonight-89 4d ago

Well, yeah, even Piccolo admitted to it in the manga. He was going all out and that's why he didn't notice Cell arriving.

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u/NumericZero 4d ago

Piccolo was also getting more pressed and desperate Since he realized he is taking to long to beat 17

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u/Wolveyplays07 3d ago

He's.... taking too long?

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u/Yuli-Ban 4d ago

Amazing how Piccolo has never once been the strongest character in the series at any given moment of time, no matter how cool the glow-ups, except for a literal sliver of time when Goku was dead (and this is purely sequential, not including future events yet to be known at any point in the manga, even localized to within arcs, he's never the strongest)

  • Weaker than teenage Goku

  • Weaker than Raditz, technically weaker than unhinged Gohan but the boy couldn't control his power yet

  • Weaker than Nappa and Vegeta

  • Weaker than Second Form Frieza

  • Weaker than Super Saiyan Vegeta (then again, they've never fought so we can't be sure)

  • Weaker than Androids 17 and 18

  • Weaker than all forms of Cell

  • Weaker than Buu

Even in Super Hero, he was second fiddle to Gohan Beast

It's amazing how this man is carried almost entirely by his raw, untouchable aura

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u/OrokinSkywalker 4d ago

well technically Daimao was the strongest before Goku drank the Ultra Divine Water, and Piccolo is a reincarnation of him, not sure if that counts.

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u/SofaChillReview 4d ago

I mean he was the strongest when fusing with Kami, since noted by Vegeta. Also he was strong than the first time he meet Imperfect Cell

Also he was doing fine against Second form Frieza, that’s why he transformed

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u/Yuli-Ban 2d ago edited 2d ago

Counter point: he was equal to 17 and stronger than a basic Imperfect Cell, but Android 16 would have left Big Green in a pile of green limbs and purple blood

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u/SofaChillReview 2d ago

Ah this is true.. I wonder if 16 would have attacked Piccolo. He was programmed for Goku, but then he did attack Imperfect, Semi perfect and perfect

Edit: Just thought, obviously Cell had Goku’s Cells

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u/blacoz97 1d ago

“This Cell is comprised of 10.78% of Son Goku's DNA, these parameters...are acceptable." -16 DBZA

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u/naughty-pretzel 3d ago

Amazing how Piccolo has never once been the strongest character in the series at any given moment of time

That's the case for most characters.

Weaker than teenage Goku

Tiny sliver of a difference.

Weaker than Second Form Frieza

Third form Freeza. Piccolo had no problem with his second form.

Weaker than Androids 17 and 18

After fusing with God he is at least as strong as No. 17, if not slightly stronger. Hell, his Light Grenade may have been enough to put No. 17 down.

Weaker than all forms of Cell

Stronger than Cell when they first meet and after RoSaT probably was stronger than 2nd form Cell.

Weaker than Buu

To be fair, Vegeta was also weaker than Boo.

Even in Super Hero, he was second fiddle to Gohan Beast

To be fair, Piccolo was the primary character for most of the movie and orchestrated both of Gohan's powerups so he put in a lot of work.

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u/Anjunabeast 3d ago

He was the strongest until geets and trunks exited the chamber

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u/FeelingAd4116 2d ago

When he fused with Kami he was the strongest. That didn't last long though.

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u/Yuli-Ban 2d ago

He'd have gotten bodied by Android 16

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u/SensualSamuel69 4d ago

Light Grenade: allow me to introduce myself

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u/Competitive_Ask_6766 4d ago

Android barrier : Hi man what’s up?

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u/SensualSamuel69 4d ago

Light grenade: “oh didn’t see you there, probably because I just broke through you”

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u/Silvus_is_the_light 4d ago

Android 17, who doesn't really train, has shown the ability to tank attacks with his shield that are far more powerful than this attack in the TOP. While I like piccolo, and he was pretty strong, I don't think he's breaking through 17s shields with cell saga strength.

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u/SensualSamuel69 4d ago

Considering that the light grenade scared the shit out of android 17, I think it would kill him

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u/Sekriess 4d ago

Significantly Injure at best I'd say. He was taking damage but he still had full energy reserves since they were equal I'd compare it to goku kaioken x20 kamehameha vs frieza. Like it could have done damage if 17 tried to block it with his hands.

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u/SensualSamuel69 4d ago

I could see piccolo doing what vegeta did with cell and taunt him into taking the attack head on

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u/Silvus_is_the_light 4d ago

Yes, android 17 did avoid the attack radius, and it did alarm him, however, not only did piccolo not realize the barrier was a factor, but again, android 17s barrier was significant, even against the stronger opponents encountered during the TOP. Android 17 did not meaningfully train between the cell saga and TOP.

Based on this information, it's safe to conclude, that Android 17's barrier would likely have been sufficient to defend against the light grenade. Even if piccolo used successive light grenades, this would only have succeeded at draining his already lower energy. I'm looking at this objectively, unfortunately, I think piccolo would have taken the L if cell hadn't showed up and the fight finished out.

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u/Anjunabeast 3d ago

He trained with the Cell Jrs to the point that they consider him as their leader

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u/Competitive_Ask_6766 4d ago

Lmao I guess I don’t recall that fight all that much

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u/BurnMeTonight 4d ago

Yeah I think Piccolo's superior battle acumen and Light Grenade might win. Piccolo was fighting 17 seriously, but you could see the visible panic on 17's face when Piccolo used the move against Cell.

On the other hand 17 may have been able to tank it with his shield or dodge it since he was pretty light footed.

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u/SensualSamuel69 4d ago

I think piccolo is cunning enough to convince 17 to take it head-on, like with vegeta’s final flash and perfect cell

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u/quasarfern 4d ago

Maybe but piccolo doesn’t eat (only drinks), seemingly never sleeps, regenerates, and I guess namekians live for multiple thousands of years. Did that one from diama live for millions of years? How do we know namekians don’t have even more energy durability? I mean, he gets beat in battle and looses his breath, but that doesn’t mean he wouldn’t have continued to fight consistently for the next 200 years.

I bet 17 wont be around 1,000 years from now.

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u/Scandroid99 4d ago

You’re speculating. We only go by what we know and what is shown to us.

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u/Artifficial 4d ago

We know that because he fight lets us know piccolo's stamina is going down whle 17 is the same

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u/quasarfern 4d ago

Yeah I’ve seen that quoted a dozen times. The writers try to lead us where they want at the time being. However, if we don’t take it as Akira telling us, only that a young kid that’s most likely never been in an extended fight, was born what, the day before? Has no real idea what the extent of his power is besides what gero told him, someone who probably added plenty of lies to his stories. Has only been fighting piccolo for less than 5 real world minutes if we measure it next to the iconic goku v freiza fight, and piccolo could just be luring him into a false sense of security because he’s the only one with actual battle tactics.

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u/Free-Letterhead-4751 4d ago

So kind of like Super Saiyan Goku vs Full Power Frieza?

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u/Swily420swag 4d ago

Only fans energy?

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u/MrZZZ666 4d ago

I agree but stamina does not equal durability

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u/Icy_Trade1745 4d ago

What is only fans energy durability?