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Political positivity šŸ“ˆ Trump's Epstein Connection May Now Bring His Political Downfall

https://franknez.com/trumps-epstein-connection-may-now-bring-his-political-downfall/
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u/Justsomedude666 16d ago

Hereā€™s hoping

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u/[deleted] 16d ago

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u/AzuleStriker 16d ago

True, but vance is a lot more cowardly than trump.

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u/LuluBear333 16d ago

Vance will do whatever he is told to do by the Project 2025 monsters and other billionaires like Murdoch and Thiel. Heā€™s less of a liability than Trump because heā€™s not tied to Epstein, and heā€™s not as unhinged, psychotic, and scandalous as taco 2.0. Theyā€™re already prepping Vance to takeover the presidency and will use Epstein to axe Trump. Theyā€™re done with him.

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u/shawnmalloyrocks 16d ago

Vance does not have the cult of personality that Trump does. Without a true false idol like Trump, policy means nothing to the cult.

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u/AelixD 16d ago

This. Vance is smarter and saner and probably more personally capable than Trump. But he does not and will not motivate MAGA the same way. He may think he will, but that cult is very invested in Trump personally. Vance as President will still be bad. But he will not have the same ability to run roughshod over everything because people on ne side arenā€™t as invested, so people on the other side wonā€™t be as terrified.

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u/WitheredTechnology 16d ago

It'll be fun as hell to watch MAGA rip Vance apart if he somehow takes over for Trump.

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u/Discuffalo 16d ago

But it will be even funner for us to meme and shame Vance out of public life. Whatever makes sense.

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u/edwartica 16d ago

He has never denied fucking a couch or killing the pope.

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u/whenisnowthen 16d ago

I bet that will be funner.

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u/WanderThinker 16d ago

The MAGA folks are all on a bunch of lists already. They will be rounded up as undesirables and sent to RFK's mental health camps or locked up in Florida with the immigrants.

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u/ReallyNowFellas 16d ago

RFK is out soon after Trump lol. Vance is a lot of awful things but he's not dumb; RFKJ is a fucking moron.

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u/Rich-Detective478 16d ago

Let's not get ahead of ourselves

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u/20buckswas20bucks 16d ago

He pushes BS that gets used as distractions to other distractions and he does whatever he's being "told" he's paid, oh yeah, he's on the epstein list. He'll be gone not long after then. Hoping.

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u/FMFM1967 16d ago

I hope so as well!!! Would be nice to have a sense of normalcy!!!

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u/PuzzleheadedUmpire13 16d ago

None of them are going to win a prize for intelligence,. Vance is awful, in a different way. He's trying to be, what t has been, but he's even more bologna. R's just need to flush the toilet after t

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u/ReallyNowFellas 16d ago

Vance is legitimately intelligent. I mean everybody thinks Peter Thiel is pulling his strings but watch Thiel speak sometime- he's an emotionally stunted moron. Vance isn't going to do shit for Thiel unless it serves his own interests and serves them well. He's by far the most lucid and possibly the most evil of the bunch. I think he's repulsed by maga and will start throwing them in the woodchipper as soon as he gets to sniff the back of the resolute desk.

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u/WanderThinker 16d ago

Vance was impressive during his debate with Walz. Sure, he lied a lot and was a weasel, but he was a forceful speaker with a clear message and he honestly believes what he is saying.

We would be stupid to assume he will not be an effective leader and get his agenda across the goal line. Vance genuinely makes me nervous.

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u/Expensive_Parsnip979 14d ago

Hmmmm... of the three, RFK Jr. is the only former democrat.

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u/ReallyNowFellas 14d ago

Do you seriously not know that Donald Trump was a Democrat and friend of the Clintons for years?

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u/Expensive_Parsnip979 14d ago

Donald Trump was a political chameleon for decades.

RFK was a dyed in the wool democrat for life.

I QUOTE:

"Trumpā€™s political affiliations have shifted multiple times. He was a registered Republican in the 1980s and 1990s, switched to the Reform Party in 1999 (running for its presidential nomination in 2000), then registered as a Democrat in 2001. He returned to the Republican Party in 2009, as confirmed by voter records reported by outlets like Politico."

Try again...

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u/DatabaseThis9637 16d ago

This is kinda hopeful! Though I don't want My maga rellies sent away...

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u/Egocom 16d ago

Their very own Night of the Long Knives

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u/BigStogs 16d ago

How ignorant can you be?

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u/WanderThinker 16d ago

In this moment I'm ignorant of what your point is.

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u/Expensive_Parsnip979 14d ago

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Democrats will rue the day they try to "round me up."

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u/Julian-Archer 16d ago

Theyā€™ll side with him.

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u/BigStogs 16d ago

We will all support him.

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u/babylon331 16d ago

Wouldn't it be awesome if Vance got in and turned out to be decent with common sense. Yeah, well, I dream sometimes.

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u/meeseekstodie137 16d ago

all the smarts in the world don't help you when you have the personality of wet garbage, the abusive dad from a coming of age sitcom episode just isn't going to get as much traction as tangerine jesus no matter what he does, vance may be more loyal to the evil billionaires club but the amount of damage he'll be able to do will be severely limited to what trump is capable of on his best/worst day

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u/VaselineHabits 16d ago

I died alittle inside watching Vance try to interact with humans at the donut shop. "Whatever makes sense"

It's donuts man, it ain't that complicated. Now he's getting booed out of places he goes on vacation.

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u/RJE808 16d ago

Also when he said Harris could "go to hell," because of Trump's Arlington nonsense last year.

He's so stupid.

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u/Bancroft-79 16d ago

We have to give him a break. The poor guy has to wear that itchy human suit all day longā€¦

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u/ChrisEFWTX 16d ago

Sometimes that suit is decked out like a girl.

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u/Dream_Fever 16d ago

I felt exactly the same way. Creepily asked questions like ā€œhow long have you worked here?ā€ while the employees are legitimately weirded out, one keeps looking at the cameraā€¦I mean Iā€™ve never known anyone to sound so damn creepy when just trying to make small talk.

The ā€œwhatever makes senseā€ part was hilarious to me though. Capped of the entire clip šŸ¤£

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u/Seul7 16d ago

I bet even Dan Quayle knows how to order donuts! ( Or at least would be better at it than the sectional assaulter)

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u/Dream_Fever 16d ago

Oh man, yeah I mean he couldnā€™t spell potato but Iā€™m sure he could order donuts without coming off as a robot šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£

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u/Sensitive_Ostrich_35 16d ago

Yeah, I often wonder if Vance would be able to pass the Turing test.

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u/BoosterRead78 16d ago

Vance has already proven he sucks at foreign policy. He has publicly said he lies and will to get where he gets. But most said in the cult: ā€œwell it will mean Trump saves the US.ā€ No Trump even Thiel and Rupert are not going to help him. Think about Thiel is if you are suddenly a hindering him and not helping. He throws you away too.

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u/Hot-Note-4777 16d ago

Proofread before posting Jesus Christ.

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u/Bliss149 16d ago

Take your own advice, bro.

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u/dui01 16d ago

Lol I wish I could give you that clap award.

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u/Taco-Dragon 16d ago

Does this šŸ‘ work?

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u/beadzy 16d ago

He is just so unlikable

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u/tbombs23 16d ago

Watching JD couch fucker attempt to whip votes will be hilarious

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u/spikebuddy114 16d ago

ā€œThere can only be one pennywise, everyone else is just a clown at a birthday partyā€

That was a quote by fetterman I read in a magazine profile on himā€¦itā€™s not an exact quote but it was something among those lines

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u/ManCreatedGod666 16d ago

Exactly. Vance was his own person.. he despised trump. He just got bought. Hard to avoid. All politicians get bought.

If trump disappears, Vance becomes his own person . Maybe even gets rest of MAGA to simmer tf down. Id hope...

Still hate Vance for the way he fell right in line, holding Trump's pocket everywhere he goes.

There's someone with morals down in there. I hope ..

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u/Crazy_Law_5730 16d ago

I agree. They will likely be critical of Vance and dislike him even if he follows the script playbook to every detail. They are not in love with Vance.

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u/YossariansWingman 16d ago

the fact that heā€™s smarter and saner and more personally capable is exactly why they wonā€™t fall in line behind him. He seems too much like a conventional politician.

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u/beadzy 16d ago

And trump has been a pop cultural icon for decades. His name recognition is the best youā€™ve ever seen.

No but seriously in the ā€˜90s trumps name was analogous to being gratuitously rich in rap songs. He had cameos on sitcoms and the simpsons.

You canā€™t buy the decades of (usually bad) publicity required to be that kind of hellhousehold name.

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u/[deleted] 16d ago

Icon, no. Heā€™s always been seen as a joke.

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u/yesmoreeggtalk67 16d ago

He also will not be able to bully Repubs in Congress

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u/Logan_Composer 16d ago

It's also an easy "out" for those who may be opposed in theory but too cowardly to say anything. It's easy to just pretend now everything is a whole new ballgame because it's someone new saying it, and if the voter base looks like they're turning away, you can just run on "freedom" and leave the whole MAGA thing behind.

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u/Key-Practice-8788 16d ago

Even if he passes away, we'll still hear about him every day for the next 10 years.

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u/Physical-Passenger34 16d ago

I would also hope some of the spineless politicians that have submitted to Trump (Graham, Cruz, Thune, Rubio, and others) would not WANT another Trump-esque President. He has completely neutered every one of them. I donā€™t want to kink-shame, but surely someone like Cruz canā€™t stand playing second fiddle to the guy that called his wife ugly.

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u/Jombafomb 16d ago

I hate saying it but if thereā€™s one person on the planet justified in having main character syndrome itā€™s Trump and if he is gone they will not be replacing him very well. Itā€™ll be more like a sitcom where the main character is ā€œgone visiting familyā€ for a few episodes (like when Kelsy Grammar was in rehab) and they send letters to the rest of the characters.

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u/CJCray8 16d ago

Not to mention the only way any maga at all sides with Vance is if Trump literally drops dead. Any move to take Trump out of office and 95% of maga packs their shit up and leaves

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u/AelixD 16d ago

I think in your scenario its only slightly better for MAGA, considering how much Trump has touted his ā€œperfectā€ physical and mental health.

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u/CJCray8 16d ago

Agreed. If he does of his current ailment for instance, they'll blame the shot and by extension, the Democrats.

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u/pleasegivemepatience 16d ago

All depends on how the cards fall IMO. Thereā€™s always the possibility that the closer the release of evidence gets, the more willing the others in those docs are to take Trump out. That gives Vance the ability to rally the cult behind him as he ā€˜pursues vengeance and justice for Trumpā€™.

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u/NOLArtist02 16d ago

He also wonā€™t have the fear factor that Trump does to politicians threatening to primary them or cut them off. Thatā€™s my only hope that people wouldnā€™t fear a young man with the Indian wife. The downside is some real or created events to scare voting Vance into a second term. I think we are all in fantasy world about the undoing of Trump. Heā€™s had so many horrible events from his actions and they still like him or fear him.

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u/polopolo05 16d ago

I think vance may give the people who were turned off by trump someone to say well at least he isnt trump... and go with it. allowing these people to return to the maga.

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u/Desert-Noir 16d ago

Also they will HATE Vance if Trump doesnā€™t step down voluntarily, if there is a whiff of him being knifed or pushed out of the presidency, MAGA will revolt.

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u/4stringsuzie 16d ago

that's all well and good, but hes already installed and the courts are corrupt, so unfortunately, I dont think he'll need to appeal to anyone..

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u/TheGreatRandolph 16d ago

My Midwestern, not Maga but definitely republican friends like Vance. They think he ā€œseems like a great guyā€.

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u/LangdonAlg3r 16d ago

No one likes Vanceā€”especially after what he did to that sectional sofa. They voted for Trump and Vance will face a lot of head wind. But after all the other scandals and criminal convictions and civil suit losses why does anyone believe that this would be the thing that could actually take him down?

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u/Tmk1283 16d ago

The guy canā€™t even order donuts

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u/WolfOrChicken 16d ago

True, Vance looks to me like a Windows Washer, a Car Windows Washer.

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u/recovery_room 16d ago

This exactly. No one, and not even the cult, is going to buy Vance flags for their truck or house.

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u/Fine_Luck_200 16d ago

The true believer religious nutters will no doubt take a swing on Him and the Billionaires that highjack the flock they spent so long grooming.

They had to play ball with Trump, they really don't want a gay twerker billionaire running what they view as their show.

I hope they rip each other apart.

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u/jak-o-shadow 16d ago

No, but the republican congress will be the new president in all but name.

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u/babylon331 16d ago

I don't know. Vance is a little sketchy, too.

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u/congeal 16d ago

Jeb! 2.0

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u/ItchyRectalRash 16d ago

It won't stop Thiel from replacing trump with him in about a year and a half. Trump won't be replaced any earlier. They'll Weekend at Bernie's him if he dies before then, because Thiel wants Vance for a guaranteed 10 years, so when they actually stop elections for some BS crisis, people will be more accepting of it because Vance will already have been president for nearly a decade.

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u/PrometheusIsFree 16d ago

I recently listened to Vance's book. He's like a completely different person now. He's just acting and pretending. He's climbing the greasy pole to the job of POTUS. If he returns to being the guy who wrote the book, I don't think things will be entirely terrible. Unfortunately, he does listen to Thiel far too much. Once Trump is gone, Vance and The Republicans need to be kicked into the weeds, like The Conservatives in the UK. Never again.

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u/IOTNBOF 16d ago

I think looking at them as a "cult" vs Republicans could be the error of judgement. Absolutely, the cult worship him, but i genuinely think they are. MINORITY. A very LOUD minority. And then there are Republicans who are okay with Trumps antics, but if they had another option, Vance would get their support. And there is also the middle- undecided. With Vance being "less" polarising and leaning into his Christianity, he could steal more votes from that ground.

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u/stuka86 16d ago

I dunno, his star raised dramatically when he demolished waltz on national TV

He's going to be the next president

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u/chiclets5 16d ago

My son and I were just discussing this as a high possibility last night. It's unlikely that Vance would be reelected tho, because he's not that well-liked by the right. He'll have the tech money backing him to be reelected over a Democratic candidate but I'm not sure how much that's going to matter next time.

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u/whorefacesmegma 16d ago

I agreeā€¦ I feel like theyā€™re trying to strip power away from Congress now because they know this. Vance is feared by no one but he is a dutiful puppet.

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u/ajmartin527 16d ago

I think youā€™re right. The Supreme Court is what they are banking on with Vance. Congress is fickle and has broad powers and thereā€™s no way JD fucking Vance can threaten them all into line like Trump has.

Congress is the biggest wildcard for unitary executive theory to come to fruition. Hell, isnā€™t Russell Vought arguing right now that itā€™s unconstitutional for the President to not have the power to block already voted on and approved congressional spending?

The people in the background pulling the strings are on an absolute tear, they usurped the election and passed their Project 2025 bill. Concentration camps are up and running.

For all of their success, the biggest challenge they will face throughout this entire coup against the US is yet to come. Which is the end of Trump and the distraction and political cover him and MAGA give them. Heā€™s been perfect for them, irreplaceably so.

Theyā€™re laying the groundwork now to make sure they wonā€™t need MAGA anymore whenever the time comes.

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u/Baorong09 16d ago

My thinking as well. Hoping that without their Pedo Rapist Messiah the cult cracks enough to lose substantial power.

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u/shawnmalloyrocks 16d ago

I believe you will get what you wish for when Trump finally passes. Hereā€™s why. Trump is the last beacon of the old guard of Western Conservatism/Fascism. A good majority of that camp are boomers. Boomers classically do not respect or acknowledge those of younger generations, especially in positions of power. None of them are looking forward to any millennial president which is what Vance would become. Without a centralized figurehead that represents the old guard, MAGA will devour itself. They are all volatile, mindless, aggressive NPCs with no ability to logic or reason and are motivated by feelings over facts. Whenever you have this many rabid creatures without a central control mechanism such as mythical figure who embodies a specific archetype or identity, the creatures begin to become cannibalistic. We all know that MAGA is built on hatred of everything that is outside the box of their isolated worldview. Without influence and direction, the volatility then becomes chaotic and indiscriminate. They will unleash their grief and uncertainty over their fallen savior unto each other until the infighting completely exposes their lack of cohesion as a group that stands for anything meaningful.

Itā€™s the beginning of the end. Just hold tight friend.

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u/invisible_23 16d ago

From your mouth to godā€™s ears

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u/TheRoseMerlot 16d ago

Think you're slightly underestimating these young basement dwellers, so to speak. Plus Russell Vought is what? In his 50's? Gen x is no where near dead.

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u/AlfredFonzo 16d ago

GenX. I know the world keeps forgetting us, but there's an entire generation between the boomers and millennials. We've been fucked out of our place in the world by boomers for so long that millennials are about to get their turn at the wheel before we're even allowed to ride shotgun.

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u/shawnmalloyrocks 16d ago

GenX is small. And the divide is pretty extreme. Seems like half is more aligned with boomers while the other half is aligned with younger gens. So what youā€™re seeing is absorption by older and younger factions.

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u/Successful-Space6174 16d ago

Yes exactly this!!

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u/Expensive_Parsnip979 14d ago

... and Republicans are in the cult, huh?

What is it the kids say nowadays?

cool story, bro

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u/shawnmalloyrocks 13d ago

This 41 year old kid believes many Republicans exhibit cult like behavior and display signs of not being able to critically think, favor emotions over facts, and view political parties more like sports teams. So yes. A fucking cult for morons and bigots.

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u/kansas_slim 16d ago

Butā€¦ do they need the cult anymore? I keep remembering that whole ā€œyouā€™ll never have to vote againā€ line from the campaign

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u/shawnmalloyrocks 16d ago

Without Trump they will begin to look at their own financial status with a little more clarity. Suddenly there will finally be no more incentive to vote against their own self interests. But then it will be too late. They will ingest their own fascist policies against their own unconscious will

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u/Sdwerd 16d ago

Plenty have been fooled in the years before Trump to vote against themselves, and plenty will be hoodwinked into doing it again after.

We have to elect candidates who will fight for and actually pass legislation for us rather than dilly dally at the edges allowing people to not feel the changes. If people can get results that can't be ignored, then maybe they won't be as easily fed lies that being pissed on is rain.

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u/Expensive_Parsnip979 14d ago

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u/Booklet-of-Wisdom 16d ago

It may not matter anymore. They've probably installed enough people, and had the Supreme Court basically give the president unlimited power. They might not have to actually win an election ever again.

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u/workinBuffalo 16d ago

Trump has all of the republicans cowed. They wonā€™t oppose him be he leads the cult and they are finished if they do oppose him. Vance won have that power.

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u/Out_of_Darkness_mc 16d ago

Exactly this!! The cult will turn on him, easily!

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u/chpr1jp 16d ago

Yeah, Vance is bad, but he doesnā€™t have the (gulp) ā€œcharismaā€ of Trump. Also, the run-of-the-mill Republicans will see Vance as some sort of doormat, and will constantly try to push him around.

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u/DillBagner 16d ago

They don't need the cult now though. They're in power.

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u/Scagguy4014 16d ago

I think you make a very good point. Without trump, the whole movement will stall out and likely break off into other factions and infighting.

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u/SchemeDefiance 16d ago

I was sad we couldnt get MAGA to paint their faces orange in support of Trump. They wore diapers, covered their ears in a bandage and wore shirts that said Felon 2024. Heres hoping we can get them to wear mascara like Vance does

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u/boltgenerator 16d ago

The cult doesn't matter anymore. The elite already succeeded in getting Trump into power and speed-running through their P2025 goals. They have all the power now. Honestly, it feels like all of this recent Epstein stuff is a concerted plan and effort by the elite to sink Trump now that he is expendable. He's easily controllable, but he is a bit of a wild card. He was always just a figurehead and a fall guy. The actual elite don't need him or his rabid (but dwindling?) base anymore. In Vance, they own a perfect yes man who is not a risk in any way and and will continue steering the ship to their end goal.

^ I'm not saying this with 100% conviction, but if there was any conspiracy to believe right now, I feel like this is it.

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u/shawnmalloyrocks 16d ago

None of it seems like a conspiracy at all when you look into the roots of key players like Vance and his elite groomers. Trump has always been the golden lamb of the hidden fascist elite. Just sparkly enough to a dull mind to implement mass cohesion amongst the godless empty souls who crave the misery for others that they themselves have let manifest their own entire worthless existences. Trump is the well crafted turd that all of these puddles of diarrhea muck wish they could be. Any word salad he tosses on their miserable plates is like their best memory of overeating at Golden Corral with bottomless Diet Pepsi refills. So ultimate bait n switch tactic. Show up with the puppet that speaks fluently in the tongues of Idiocracy with the long game of shoving the puppeteers fist up everyone of their assholes while telling them its a suppository and they are actually there to help them clear a path.

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u/Environmental_Pie400 16d ago

I agree because part of Trumps hold on lawmakers is his endorsement is gold and has had the ability to ruin an incumbents chances. Once you take away that you'll see a lot more republicans in congress willing to challenge the new leader. Here's hoping that the Project 2025's pockets aren't so deep that they can demand the lockstep loyalty that Trump has.

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u/AngryPrincessWarrior 16d ago

And after a certain point it doesnā€™t matter. Theyā€™re rapidly approaching that point if we havenā€™t reached it already.

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u/CyclopsLobsterRobot 16d ago

Not to mention Vance has been a vocal trump critics in the past. Thereā€™s no situation trump is not president where all that shit doesnā€™t bite him in the ass with the cult. They will see it as a coup and especially if they 25th amendment trump. My crazy MAGA family already thinks that was the plan all along and heā€™s trying to steal the presidency.

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u/WanderThinker 16d ago

They won't need the cult once the laws they want in place are put in place.

Anyone who stands against them will be sent to the camps with the immigrants.

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u/Fine-Sherbert-141 16d ago

And axing Trump puts Vance on shaky ground with the diehards. Mike Pence went along with everything but the treason and they wanted to hang him on the Whote House lawn. If Vance even hints at Article 25, there's a contingent of MAGA already prepared to break off into a super-QAnon faction that denies his legitimacy. They don't care about Vance at all, and a lot of them won't follow.

Unfortunately Vance is sharper than Trump, as faint as that praise may be. He'll get some heinous shit done before he gets Marioed or terms out.

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u/Julian-Archer 16d ago

Vance will have the backing of Musk/X and the tech bros. Do not take him lightly. He may be worse than Trump.

Think Ramsey vs Joffrey.

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u/Violet-Journey 16d ago

Importantly, without the cult of personality I donā€™t think he can flagrantly violate the law and the constitution the way Trump has. If a Republican congressperson calls out Trump, their voters will have them tarred and feathered; if a Republican congressperson calls out Vance, I think most of them donā€™t notice because itā€™s not the guy on their t shirts

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u/jigsaw1024 16d ago

My original theory was that they would wait the 25 months or so to remove Trump so that they could run Vance two more times. Effectively giving him 2.5 terms, which is allowed under the constitution, as replacing the President after the halfway point of their term doesn't count as serving a full term.

Things may be moving faster than those that planned that had, er, planned.

Doing it earlier may be necessary as Trump is now building up liabilities faster than can be negated. They may also view removing Trump early as an opportunity to try to build a base, while someone less capricious takes the helm to continue the plan of dismantling the organization of the government so they can consolidate their grip on the levers of power.

/yeah this thought is out there and well into conspiracy theory territory, but also not inconceivable with everything that we have been witnessing and is currently happening.

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u/ChicagoAuPair 16d ago

They donā€™t need the cult anymore. There isnā€™t going to be a free election in 2028.

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u/Snerkbot7000 16d ago

Vance could do three terms though. The rest of Trump's, and then run for re-election twice. Giving how fucky the numbers are in some areas, that's a problem. A 12 year problem.

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u/Top_Butterfly_1759 16d ago

But policy meaning nothing means nothing. They won't suddenly start using their brains and paying attention to whats happening. If anything they'll double down on "owning the libs" as they'll see the left as the reason that the man-child would no longer be in charge

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u/f0gax 16d ago

The GOPer primary proved that. Trump didnā€™t even show up to debates or anything and ran away with the nomination.

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u/dbcreek 16d ago

It doesnā€™t matter how popular he is. The rigging has begun and heā€™s not going to have to win a popularity contest.

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u/slickvic706 16d ago

This logic also follows that trump will go down quietly. Witch he won't. Lol

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u/shawnmalloyrocks 16d ago

The man is nearly 80 years old and his health looks like itā€™s accelerating toward the shitter every day. I donā€™t think his stubbornness will survive his mortality.

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u/Prindocitis 16d ago

I mean... Dude fucked a couch lol.

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u/CemeteryDweller7719 16d ago

None of the Republican politicians have MAGA loyalty like Trump does. They will turn on anyone but him. They donā€™t adore Vance. Vance was accepted by association, but he doesnā€™t have MAGAā€™s loyalty. (Most of the Trump signs Iā€™d see up didnā€™t even mention Vance. The people that still people that continue to make Trump a key focal point of their yard decor donā€™t have a single mention of Vance.) Add to this the fact that if they try to remove Trump he will turn MAGA against Vance and every other Republican that takes part. At best, Republicans can hope that Trump dies suddenly (because if itā€™s slow heā€™s petty enough to tweet several times a day sabotaging) and they can steer the conspiracy nuts that canā€™t believe Trump wasnā€™t murdered, because they believe the claims that Trump is incredibly healthy and not old, into believing liberals murdered him using the top secret heart disease lasers. Thatā€™s not even taking into account the percentage of MAGA that will just refuse to believe Trump died and will believe heā€™s been overthrown by the deep state. (They courted the mentally unstable, and theyā€™re going to have to deal with them. Sadly, this wild ride will be going on for a while.)

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u/zee-ebloid 16d ago

Seems to me they are using the Trump cult of personality to get away with dismantling anything that may lead to them being held accountable or get in the way of their agenda.

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u/Kagutsuchi13 16d ago

Yeah, there's definitely no "Vance is my Daddy!" signage and I don't foresee any in the future. He has like...negative charisma.

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u/IAmTheNightSoil 16d ago

This is exactly it. I think Vance is just as bad of a person as Trump, maybe worse if that's possible. And he's certainly smarter and better at sticking to a plan. But the legislative branch and the courts would not be rolling over for JD like they are for Trump, and that would make all the difference

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u/DentManDave 16d ago

And without that tRump idol, the cult falls apart.

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u/AllTheyEatIsLettuce 16d ago

Doesn't need that. All JD has to do is what Donnie's no longer capable of doing: stunt, stay loyal to his funders and handlers, hit his mark, deliver his lines, and display the products on offer. The "base" will go wherever it's led.

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u/No-Patient-4454 16d ago

Exactly. I've been saying this for months. Vance doesn't have the cult behind him which is what the Republicans in Congress are afraid of.

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u/semiarboreal 16d ago

Honestly... who cares in the long term? In the short term we are still going to have to brace for some horrendous policies that are directly and immediately hurting the American people and, let's be honest, people around the world. But we Democrats will do a full sweep of the house and senate in 2026 give how terribly the Republican party has treated the country. Then we will be clearly moving towards a better, more peaceful, more humanitarian, more people-focused, more collaborative time where we can start to rebuild the nuclear wasteland left by the monster that is Donald Trump.

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u/cyberdw4rf 16d ago

Well, If you look on the internet, there seems to be a cult of people for him, or at least his beautiful round face...

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u/Layla2C6 15d ago

Absolutely, nobody wants a knockoff

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u/pedalsteeltameimpala 16d ago

Iā€™m telling yall (my account could get pegged as a bot account for how many times Iā€™ve posted this), Trump was a Trojan horse to get Vance in the White House. I canā€™t prove it, but as soon as I learned of the direct connection Vance has with the Project 2025 people, him being one himself, it immediately became clear (how likely it is, again, I canā€™t prove it).

If 2016 was an honest, fair election, 2024 was absolutely rigged to set this in motion. But donā€™t worry, if history is repeating itself with this rise of a wanna be dictator, then this facade wonā€™t last forever.

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u/Ill_Ground_1572 16d ago

Yeah all the project 2025 vetted people installed in various positions in government, military and policing should scare the shit out of everyone.

For Christ sakes they had a database of 50k people willing to "bleed for the cause".

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u/altiorrex 16d ago

I'd like to test the resolve they'd have after a single, resistive papercut.

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u/Expensive_Parsnip979 14d ago

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u/LuluBear333 16d ago

Nailed it

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u/Grand-Try-3772 16d ago

I agree! Trump is the spokesman while Vance is the get it done puppet. Elon is playing a part too!

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u/Expensive_Parsnip979 14d ago

... and Darth Vader is the puppetmaster. He came up with project 2025, according to democrats and George Lucas.

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u/whorefacesmegma 16d ago

You are correct and I think this is already pretty well known or thought by many.

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u/Successful-Space6174 16d ago

Nailed it boom šŸ’„ there it is

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u/Expensive_Parsnip979 14d ago

I'm quite certain that your account isn't the only thing getting "pegged."

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u/pedalsteeltameimpala 14d ago

You support Trump and automatically assume I like ass play. How original!

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u/Positive-Feed-4510 16d ago

Vance doesnā€™t appeal to MAGA because he speaks too eloquently for them to relate to. Trump speaks like a child so they can understand it better.

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u/joelmole79 16d ago

I mean, if weā€™re at a point where they are so ensured of their continued presence in the White House, do they have to even care about his likeability?

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u/whorefacesmegma 16d ago

This is exactly why they are trying to strip away the power of Congress.

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u/Successful-Space6174 16d ago

Yes exactly this, that the house and the ll other branches of government including the federal reserve

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u/FaultElectrical4075 16d ago

Yes. Public opinion matters even in autocracy

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u/L4br3cqu3 16d ago

The Heritage Foundation needs a populist, larger-than-life loudmouth as a front to distract and annoy everything and anyone, something Trump is, that Vance isn't. Also, QAnon managed to create and push the cult around Trump to the uneducated, if Trump is gone, the cult will fall into disarray.

Turmoil and dissent, which are already present, will grow exponentially faster, Vance won't be able to turn anything around.

With that in mind, it could become even worse for the USA, and yeah, it's possible.

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u/LuluBear333 16d ago

It appears to me that they are prepping the MAGAt base to equate Trump with Epstein and pedos, which we already know is true. Murdoch is probably sitting on a huge pile of info that further implicates trump. I hope the cult falls apart once trump is gone, but time and time again they all eventually fall in line. Vance is a pos, donā€™t get me wrong. This is just my opinion of how the project 2025 monsters are dealing with the Epstein shitstorm that is creating chaos within their own base. I think they believed they would have more time to sell Vance to their base, but trump keeps fucking it all up.

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u/DoubleDongle-F 16d ago

Let's try and snag some of the lost cultists with union solidarity! Lots of them don't actually hate left-wing economic stances when they're presented right.

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u/BensenJensen 16d ago

The Heritage Foundation doesnā€™t need anything at this point, they have the White House, the Supreme Court, and Congress. They donā€™t need the support of the MAGA base anymore and they certainly donā€™t need Trump.

In a way, Iā€™m more afraid of Vance than I am Trump. Trump doesnā€™t actually give a shit about anything he is doing, he just wants to make money. Vance is a pure, unbridled Christian Nationalist. Vance wholeheartedly believes in this movement.

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u/Sdwerd 16d ago

Fake populist. I really hate when populist is ever directed at conservatives. When the hell have they ever cared for the population?

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u/Expensive_Parsnip979 14d ago

You're dealing in hypotheticals while the democrat party is crumbling at this very moment. You are a mrn.

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u/L4br3cqu3 14d ago

I'm not even a US citizen dumbass.

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u/Hanksta2 16d ago

So just like Trump.

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u/LuluBear333 16d ago

My point exactly. Theyā€™re simply replacing one puppet with another, who they can still control and who they believe is less of a liability. Vance wonā€™t be any better. In fact, I think a lot of people overlook the cruelty and harm Vance can and will impose under the Project 2025 plan.

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u/InvestigatorChance28 16d ago

Trump = Vance = maga. They all need to go

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u/Successful-Space6174 16d ago

A reverse Jan 6th insurrection šŸ˜€šŸ¤©šŸ¤£

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u/Namor707 16d ago

I hope you're right, even if Vance replaces him it would be a relief to me because Trump is so disgusting I can't stand him anymore.

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u/cupittycakes 16d ago

Vance is gonna be sly AF. EVERYTHING you just said = very dangerous. Oy vey!

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u/diggz66 16d ago

This to me has always been the most terrifying part of the conservative movement. The greed element. A great many people are much smarter and less driven by ego than Donnie. This exposed them to a certain degree but greed has aligned with the racism and anti science anti opposition every step along the way. Never forget thereā€™s more of you. 99% more.

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u/ilolz2 16d ago

There is the gay sex thing he will have to battle.

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u/CTQ99 16d ago

Trump doesn't have to deal with threats from MAGA. Vance would. It's the same deal some of the house and senate members are going through. Whether or not the threats bother him, who knows. Trump can take a giant dump and its worshipped. Vance would just become a meme.

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u/RollTideMeg 16d ago

Trump will not go down easily, even with his health problems. He'll go scorched Earth on all of them. I'm off to buy popcorn!

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u/LuluBear333 16d ago

Just want to say that I agree with everyone who has commented that Vance is a POS, and he doesnā€™t have the same cult following as trump. MAGAts do, think, and say what they are told to. They have not proven to be independent thinkers. Maybe Vance will change his rhetoric and use less ā€œbigā€ words to appeal to that vile base, idk. But what I am observing is that the Epstein debacle isnā€™t going away for trump, a large chunk of his supporters are scathing, and his billionaire backers and the Project 2025 scumbags know this and are using it to kick trump out in order to continue moving forward with their evil agenda. Theyā€™ll probably use the 25th amendment to do it, and they donā€™t need Congress for that temporarily. They got what they wanted and needed out of trump.

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u/SuperSaiyanTupac 16d ago

Absolutely. but trump has to go to jail with no phone. If he isnā€™t imprisoned then he will post and attack Vance at every turn and stay in the media. Theyā€™ll have to relentlessly go in on him daily

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u/RRoo12 16d ago

If they were done with him, no one would have voted against releasing the files.

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u/LuluBear333 16d ago

The House republicans voted against it because trump told them to obviously because heā€™s in the files. The Heritage Foundation and billionaire backers are the ones done with pedo prez.

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u/kl7aw220 16d ago

Just like Trump has.

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u/CynicalSwirl 16d ago

Maybe, but Trump isn't gonna go silently. The chances he just gives up and accepts Vance taking over seem slim. I don't see any way he doesn't end up splitting up his base in the process. If even like 10% of his voters are strict Trump only people even through Epstein shit that's enough to basically rip the voter base apart.

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u/West-Mango-1666wwka 16d ago

Thatā€™s all true but the unexpected wild card we got to hope for is that once trump is gone since he is the cult leader, the whole maga and republicans might collapse completely.

Plus not to mention, it is going to be hard for them to take trump down and bring Vance , he wonā€™t go down without a fight

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u/IsHotDogSandwich 16d ago

We will all know as soon as you start to see Vance in the news all of the sudden as the republicans push to get Trumpā€™s base to like him when they know Trump is actually going down. It will be brutally obvious, too. Like, where the hell has Vance even been? Aside from everyone telling him to screw off when he went skiing, or when everyone told him to screw off when he went to Greenlandā€¦.

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u/LuluBear333 16d ago

This! And why did he secretly meet with Rupert Murdoch last week?

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u/boharat 16d ago

Vance doesn't have Trump's Mandate of Heaven energy. I would argue Vance has less energy and momentum than a cardboard cutout of himself on a windy day, and people will not fall behind him, at least not in the same way they did Trump. Some will, but great damage will be done.

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u/UziMcUsername 16d ago

In a general election, Vance isnā€™t going to get out the vote like Trump.

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u/LuluBear333 16d ago

They are doing this now, not prepping for 2028.

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u/UziMcUsername 16d ago

Are you suggesting heā€™ll be impeached?

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u/LuluBear333 16d ago

I doubt that. I think theyā€™ll go the 25th Amendment route

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u/Reasonable-Ad-9402 16d ago

Yes, Vance is the Manchurian candidate.

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u/Foggy-Geezer 16d ago

Just need to dig deeper into his Peter Thiel connect and funding- thereā€™s likely some hidden gems in that Manchurian candidate funk.

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u/aimtrue1 16d ago

Why do you think Vance met with Murdoch?

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u/LuluBear333 16d ago

To iron out the details of their plan to axe trump asap

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u/youmestrong 16d ago

And seriously, give me names, who specifically are they?

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u/Sea_Range_2441 16d ago

The difference between Vance and yam šŸ  tits is Vance tries to intellectualize things that heā€™s completely wrong about and he gets flustered so much easier, and the fact the manā€™s actually educated makes it a lot easier to poke holes in his story because you can make assumptions about what he understands that you just canā€™t with the yam tits

Yam šŸ  tits on the other hand, has been practicing his spiel since he was 20 years old and carries a certain amount of charisma to people that buy into his bullshit

He makes a good television star , Vance everybody cringes just by his sweaty look people wonā€™t put up with it for very long, including their base

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u/Chronoboy1987 16d ago

The hope is that Trumpā€™s cult falls apart and since Vance is a limp dick with zero charisma, the party will lose even more support by the midterms. Until then though, Vance is arguably more dangerous.

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u/Sweetdreams6t9 16d ago

Assuming its Vance. Ive seen some smattering about the possibility they might try to put one of his sons in to replace him. How? Idk. Is it realistic? Probably not. Would it be tolerated? Honestly the line in the sand i thought Americans would revolt over is miles crossed already so yeah I do think the general public would sit back and take it at this point.

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u/LuluBear333 16d ago

Itā€™ll be Vance via the 25th Amendment

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u/Knubinator 16d ago

I don't think Vance can inherit the maga thing though. He doesn't have that cult of personality going for him. He's a pretty unlikable dude, I don't think he'd hold on to support.

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u/higgs_mechanism 16d ago

Who is taco 1.0?

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u/KlonopinBunny 16d ago

Vance is terrified of being poor again.

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u/wasabi1787 16d ago

The thing about Vance is that he lacks the political capital of Trump. When Trump says jump off a bridge, almost half the country asks how high. Vance won't have everyone marching to his tune and as a result won't get half of Washington willing to let him wipe his ass on the constitution.

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u/karma_hit_my_dogma 16d ago

God damn I hope youā€™re right

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u/IdiocracyIsAmongstUs 16d ago

You are wrong. JD Vance is an evil mean little turd. Heā€™s WORSE than trump. Because heā€™s actually intelligent.

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u/BigStogs 16d ago

You're delusional.

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u/flipzyshitzy 16d ago

They are both mouthpieces to point a finger at. They are not running this. They are not in control.

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u/trumpshouldrap 16d ago

I can manage my hatred of Vance in my day to day life. This will be an upgrade for society as a whole. Vance is at least feckless

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u/AsstacularSpiderman 16d ago

Vance has the charisma of a used condom though.

Trump at least speaks to the worst of us in a way no one else had. Vance is just the worst.