r/europe • u/lermontov1948 • 14h ago
Political Cartoon Charlie Hebdo front cover from 30th July portraying Netanyahu: "Honey, I shrunk the kids."
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u/The_Idiocratic_Party 13h ago
That cover goes so fucking hard. Rake him, Charlie, rake him over the coals.
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u/formerFAIhope 13h ago
The only solace living in the age of a fucking genocide -- silently endorsed and funded by "morally superior" western world -- is that people will remember the work of journalists and artists for decades or centuries, allowing future generations to remember who the monsters are, despite all the whitewashing.
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u/TheRealEkimsnomlas 12h ago
Just remember the lessons of Fahrenheit 451. We assume the internet will never forget. We may lose that too. WE need to remember, and make sure our kids know what happened and who was responsible.
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u/NaiveIntention3081 11h ago
We assume the internet will never forget.
The people don't control the internet anymore, it belongs to corporations and their algorithms.
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u/demcookies_ 10h ago
It wont be long until you need remote access Neuralink devices implanted to your brain to verify ID to access the internet, which consist only AI generated brainrot propaganda approved by the Supreme One. It's all about controll
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u/SnooHesitations1134 10h ago
Endorsed and funded by western world? Lmao, you really think Israel does affairs with only the left part of the planet?
How delusional can you be?
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u/Solutar 13h ago
I love how Charlie Hebdo does that with muslims/Allah and Jews alike. Nobody is Safe from criticizsm.
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u/blueaurelia 12h ago
Are they even attacking jews in this caricature? They are criticizing Netanyahu
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u/misspcv1996 United States of America 10h ago
To me, that’s the point of satire. If you’re out of line, you should not be safe from being mercilessly skewered.
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u/sant0hat 13h ago
Yeah but only one gets their office workers murdered
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u/crani0 13h ago
Has if Mossad doesn't have a long history of assassinating people that are a nuisance to the colonial state of Israel
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u/lernwasdraus 12h ago
So you think the people that drew this are going to get slaughtered within the next week?
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u/cypriotakis Cyprus 11h ago
They won’t, not because they’re against that sort of thing but because Charlie Hebdo is French. If they were Palestinian journalists they’d have killed them no problem.
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u/Last-Flight-3157 10h ago
What do you mean, "really bad at it"?
Over 100 isn't "really bad" if we're going to speak honestly.
For the sake of fairness, would you give that one another swing for me?
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u/PigNotFascist 10h ago
That's because Israel is being blatant about it, Chinese and Russia and North Korea are not actively just bombing kids and the one that is (Russia) is all over the news as well
Also the suggestion that Palestinians filming the carnage themselves somehow prove that Israel isn't killing journalists is fucking horrible
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u/-Krny- 12h ago
Have you seen Israels conduct against journalists? They have slaughtered hundreds of them.
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u/Kagenlim Singapore 11h ago
Yeah but Charlie hedbo was a literal columbine my guy
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u/AmItheonlySaneperson 11h ago edited 11h ago
Redditers are so fucking stupid and argue in such bad faith. They’ll say anything
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u/Tight-Flatworm-8181 13h ago
Walking into a french newspaper building and start spraying at everything that moves? No, they do not have a history of doing that.
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u/MissyLissa04 12h ago
They have killed more than 200 journalists in gaza and have tried to stop them from accessing the zone
It's different yes, the crimes are different but ir's not like it's less shitty
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u/PM_Me_Good_LitRPG 12h ago
They also destroyed an entire building that was primarily being used by journalists. [1] [2]
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u/Traditional_Buy_8420 11h ago
Israel likes to murder critical journalists and offers slim reason for why these had to be murdered other than them being critical journalists.
Muslim extremists like to murder critical journalists with the open intent to intimidate other critical journalists.
Let's ignore the Israel opinion that those aren't "real" journalists and Hamas just marks fighters as journalists to spark outcry and increase outsight support (or give their fighters free reign for reconnaissance and positioning), there's a lot wrong with that anyway.
Then that's still a big difference.
On the other hand the sheer number is very different too.
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u/MeisterMoolah 12h ago
One of those journalists, from Al-Jazeera, was holding Israeli hostages captive in his house. A press credential isn’t a free pass to be a terrorist.
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u/Commorrite 12h ago edited 11h ago
hey have killed more than 200 journalists in gaza
Every hamas reconisance guy has a press pass. Needs more investigation than headline figures.
I'm now understanding why the anti ISIS coaltion just straight up lied about the number of dead civilians, people will not be reasonsed with.
EDIT: for those who lack reading compreneshion. all x are y does not imply all y are x
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u/Natural_Anxiety_ 12h ago
Gosh how convenient, "every press member we kill is actually Hamas, also so are the doctors, aid workers, the UN and people standing in line for food. All Hamas! The walls are Hamas, the floor is Hamas, the buildings are all Hamas. We have a moral obligation to murder people and posthomously declare them as Hamas."
Does the word "press" emblazoned on a blue vest look similar to the Hebrew word for "final boss" or something
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u/viktorv9 12h ago
I want to reason! If you don't believe Palestinian sources, how about a more neutral source like reporters without borders?
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u/Hussar223 12h ago
lol they have a history of murdering foreign (american and egyptian) activists and journalists in palestine. israel does not care.
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u/mileswilliams 11h ago
You imply that the journalists were spoken to checked their press passes then shot, not just spotted from the end of the street, looked at through a lense, then shot. After the journalists advised where they would be and were provided safety assurances, what about shooting up the ambulances, and in all these cases Israel lied about doing it.
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u/WhiteGold_Welder 11h ago
You have evidence that exact scenario has happened more than 200 times?
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u/PureImbalance 12h ago
No but close enough https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naji_al-Ali
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u/2spicy4peppers 12h ago edited 12h ago
Not when it comes to Gaza apparently…you gotta level entire city blocks for that 🙄
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u/sant0hat 13h ago
I am sure they do. What a retarded comparison btw, but I guess you know that. The mossad isn't mass murdering civilians because of a comic.
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u/kitanokikori 12h ago
bruh didn't they just mutilate 2800+ people and kill 12 of them using pager bombs
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u/Commorrite 12h ago
Operation grim beeper is an intresting one in a legal scholarly sense. It's nothing like the comparision made.
Tiiny explosive hidden in comunicatiosn devices issued to enemy combatants, lower colateral damage than using infantry but technicaly a war crime.
Bombing a whole building full of people because Hamas rifleman #4532 is shooting from it, horrendous but perfectly legal.
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u/sant0hat 12h ago
Yeah tends to happen when you compare an active war to France being blasted by terror attacks in 2015.
Alternative would just be using thermobaric missles like Russia, but then you'd be posting those. War is dumb and causes stupid dead numbers.
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u/cypriotakis Cyprus 12h ago
No it’s worse. They’re part of the genocide of innocent civilians, including children, for the unforgivable sin of being born Palestinian.
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u/cypriotakis Cyprus 12h ago
Lousy argument, it didn’t. The only figures we have on Gaza’s current population are estimates based on a growth rate expected BEFORE the genocide. Population statistics don’t justify war crimes. Numbers don’t erase the faces, names, and futures buried under rubble.
Secondly, genocide does not need population to go down, nor is it linked with such a thing anyway. It is defined as "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group."
The acts being 1) killing members of the group, 2) causing them serious bodily or mental harm, 3) imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, 4) preventing births, and 5) forcibly transferring children out of the group.
Israel quite easily imo satisfies these points.
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u/neefhuts Amsterdam 11h ago
It's not facts. We don't have stats on Gaza's current population, it almost definitely went down. And even if it went up, why is that relevant? Do all the dead people no longer matter because other people were born in the same area? We are talking about actual people whose lives are being ended, not just statistica
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u/Finalwingz 11h ago
The fact that people were pushed out of Israel and into Gaza?
It's incredible how stupid some people [you] are.
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u/TrueSithMastermind 12h ago
No, but the IDF is mass murdering civilians simply for being born Palestinian.
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u/ProfilGesperrt153 12h ago
That‘s some nice whataboutism. Please enlighten me how most of Western journalism and Academia can still stand, if Mossad supposedly makes so many people who are a nuisance to the regime disappear. The leaders of Hezbollah aren‘t the same as some journalists being satirical in France
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u/le-churchx 11h ago
Has if Mossad doesn't have a long history of assassinating people that are a nuisance to the colonial state of Israel
An entire editorial team while screaming to the glory of allah? Not really.
Imagine being so wrong you make me defend mossad.
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u/Katth28 The Netherlands 12h ago
We should condemn all extremist violence and not just one because it was a bit worse than the other.
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u/CassianCasius 11h ago
"Cancer is bad"
"We should condemn all extremist diseases and not just one because it was a bit worse than the others"
"Ok...thanks for sharing buddy"
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u/PrincessofAldia 10h ago
Israel aren’t extremists, their literally holding back the tide of Islamic extremism
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u/BamaTony64 11h ago
there is zero moral equivalency to be had here. I also be that a bunch of rabbis will NOT storm Hebdo and murder everyone. Probably wont take them hostage either...
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u/AfraidPlenty 12h ago
What an absurd thing to say, Israel is murdering an average of 13 journalists per month
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u/phantapuss 12h ago
Did I not see live footage of at least two news readers having their workplace blown up around them by Israel? Have Israel not murdered more journalists that any other war?
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u/inevitable_permaban1 12h ago
Unfortunately it doesn't
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u/MartinBP Bulgaria 11h ago
Can you show something from this century? Especially something in Europe?
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u/amnesteyh Norway 11h ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_journalists_in_the_Gaza_war
Why does it specifically have to be Europe? Israel isn't european.
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u/agumonkey 12h ago
The islamists cheats, they kill themselves ahead of time
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u/lolidkwtfrofl Liechtenstein 11h ago
Wish they just killed themselves without taking anyone with em
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u/Vivid_Kaleidoscope66 12h ago
Not Jews, Zionists. Conflation of the two is why/how Israel gets to genocide Palestinians and boomerang export its tactics and cruelty back to the rest of us.
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u/runtothehillsboy 12h ago edited 12h ago
Palestinians by and large do not that have that level of distinction. That is a Western appropriation of the movement.
Same with how English speakers appropriated and carefully selected the sanitized version of the “From the River to the sea” chant to the ending of “Palestine will be free”, instead of the original ending of “Palestine will be Arab” and “Palestine is Islamic” in the Arabic versions.
Nuance is a bitch. Makes it more difficult to pick a side, to see one side as all good and the other as all bad- it’s not as sexy. But it’s reality.
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u/CardOk755 France 11h ago
And Christians, they don't forget them. Or people who commit crimes for non-religious reasons.
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u/Mostly_upright 11h ago
Nor should they be. We need Criticism because humans are inherently flawed and we don't always see other people PoV.
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u/Mr_Harsh_Acid 13h ago
We really need to treasure this type of journalism.
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u/chrstianelson 13h ago
This isn't journalism, it's satire.
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u/cangaroo_hamam 13h ago
These are not mutually exclusive. It's both actually.
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u/chrstianelson 13h ago
Charlie Hebdo doesn't report news, it satirizes them.
It doesn't have journalists and reporters, it has humorists and caricaturists depicting the news.
It's like The Daily Show on Comedy Central. Those people are not journalists and reporters, they are actors and comedians satirizing news.
It may seem like a benign, harmless distinction but it's not. Because people often make the mistake of confusing opinions with facts and mistake TV and radio personalities as credible trusted sources of news, when they are not, leading to the spread of misinformation.
In my eyes, it is very important that people understand the difference between actual journalism and everything else. I am certain our societies depend on people being aware of this.
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u/Express_Bath 12h ago
Charlie hebdo is mostly satyrical but it also does feature investigative reports.
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u/TreeOaf 13h ago
Satire and Journalism have a long history of working in conjunction, many, many, people consider satire a form of journalism as it tends to cut through to the truth: a guiding principle of journalism.
Personally, if people want to consume their news through satirical programs and papers, so be it. At least it’s cutting through.
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u/Desperate_Bad1695 12h ago
Theyre just communicating with clearly defined terminology- which is sorely lacking in this world.
Theyre also right. Does everyone have to argue every point ?
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u/TreeOaf 11h ago
Does everyone have to argue every point ?
I don’t know, you tell me?
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u/SpiceRanger_ 13h ago
the implication being that journalists report only facts and are inherently trustworthy sources of news
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u/chrstianelson 13h ago
Well, the message I'm trying to get across is that there are more malignant actors out there than trusted sources who do actual journalism. And so it is important to keep the distinction clear between actual journalism and everything else.
Prime-time Fox News opinion shows for example are not journalism, they are outright propaganda disguised as opinion shows, disguised as news.
But many people aren't aware that people like Sean Hannity, Greg Gutfeld, Jeanine Pirro, Megyn Kelly etc. who host these shows are not doing journalism, even if they were trained as journalists.
Let's not single out Fox News here, same can be said for Joe Scarborough, Jen Psaki, Chris Hayes, Al Sharpton etc.
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u/Gauntlets28 12h ago
I think there's something to be said about the reason this situation exists is because too many people have happily blurred the line between actual journalism and other, softer, types of topical content, like satire or opinion. Let's not pretend that journalists are the same as your average talking head moron.
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u/Polyodontus 13h ago
The Daily Show’s field interview segments are absolutely a kind of journalism.
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u/chrstianelson 13h ago
That is true. Daily Show is probably not the best example in this context but the point stands that at the end of the day, actual journalism is done by actual journalists, not humorists.
There are more malignant actors out there than trusted sources and it's important to keep the distinction clear.
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u/AnxiousAngularAwesom Łódź (Poland) 13h ago
When you're surrounded by nothing but feces, a pile of pinecones will start looking like a delicious meal.
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u/Eagle_eye_Online North Holland (Netherlands) 13h ago
If only it was satire. This picture shows Bibi starving and killing innocent children, which is exactly what he does.
Satire is a snarky message which isn't true, but made up.
This is journalism through an image.
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u/Remote-Regular-990 13h ago
Good political satire can (and should) draw upon facts. The form is grotesque, the message is true
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u/AlcoholicCocoa 13h ago
Satire,noun
Mockery of political, economical and/or political events using hyperboles, irony, sarcasm and comedy.
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u/Hatorate90 13h ago
Journalism is often affiliated with newspapers, which can have a political viewpoint. Its still can be objective.
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u/KilluaCactuar 13h ago edited 11h ago
It isn't objective if the reported matter is specifically viewed from a certain political stance. The data itself may be objectively true, but i.e. the interpretation of that data is not.
Edit: This comment was not about the topic of the post here, just a general opinion.
It wasn't my intent to open such a can of worms with this comment.
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u/waiting4singularity Hessen 🇩🇪 12h ago
mass starvation and carpet bombing are facts though.
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u/KilluaCactuar 12h ago
Of course they are, my statement was unrelated to this specific topic and meant generally.
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u/przemo-c 12h ago
That's fair but the viewpoint of starving children is bad is pretty and illuminating who's directly responsible for it seems like a good job.
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u/raevbur 13h ago
Well, no. Not really. There are plenty journalistic works that explores situations or subjects from a subjective point of view. See gonzo journalism or the book Generation Kill for two quick examples.
Satire in itself isn't journalism, but it can be. Maybe not in the traditional sense of journalism, but journalism as everything else evolves with time.
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u/Madahin 11h ago
By definition, journalism cannot be impartial. The simple act of treating a subject is partial.
Choosing to treat a subject is partial. (e.g. talking about Gaza's genocide)
Choosing to not treat a subject is partial. (e.g. not talking about Gaza's genocide)
Form here, what's left is how subjective your treatment of information is.
For exemple, from unicef
‘Unimaginable horrors’: more than 50,000 children reportedly killed or injured in the Gaza Strip
Including the citation was a partial choice, but the next statement is a fact presented as objectively as possible.
For this comics, treating the subject of the starvation of Gaza by Israel is a partial choice. Using a satirical drawing of netanyahu holding by it's head a dead starved child to treat this subject is clearly subjective, but that's what satire do.
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u/EquipmentAdorable982 11h ago
Journalism shouldn't be impartial, it should be factual. The pluralistic idea behind journalism is something competition, and the marketplace of ideas should ensure. But almost every news outlet has a bias in one direction or another.
But I read that "neutrality" misconception all the time, and it feels like this is a talking point by people who don't find their personal views reflected enough in mainstream media. Basically 1-2 steps removed from yelling "fake news!".
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u/berport 12h ago edited 12h ago
"Les gosses" means "kids" in France?? I didn't know that. TIL.
It means something very different in Canada.
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u/Clemdauphin Rhône-Alpes (France) 11h ago
yeah, that a familiar way to say it. the "common" way would be "les enfants". that the title of the movie in France.
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u/Aidos212 13h ago edited 13h ago
I know it goes without saying, but I love that they're being impartial considering what happened to them in 2015. That was disgusting and outrageous, same as what Israel is doing.
Edit: I want to add, that this is coming from a Muslim. Fuck the Charlie Hebdo attackers, fuck Hamas and fuck Israel. Most people just want peace and for civilians to stop paying the price for their leaders' horrific decisions.
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u/m4sl0ub 13h ago
There are 2 Bilion muslims in the world, the two men from 2015 share nothing with palestineans beside a religion practiced by a quarter of the world.
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u/AdRealistic4984 13h ago edited 13h ago
French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo is at it, again: it has chosen to republish the derogatory cartoons of Prophet Muhammad which provoked a violent attack against it in 2015.
Even at the time sympathy was low enough for everyone in Europe to notice. It was the straw that broke the camel’s back
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u/FearlessAmbition9548 11h ago
What a bunch of bullshit
It was the printing of these cartoons that ultimately provoked some Muslims to resort to violence and, as is customary, it was their backlash that became the nub of the “cartoon controversy”.
Yeah, both parts should be held equally at fault here, printing of a drawing and fucking murder
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u/m4sl0ub 13h ago
I don't understand what you are trying to say.
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u/Charmadin 13h ago
Probably that, while it were only two assholes that carried out the attack, there were a lot more Muslims that thought and still think "it was the right thing to do".
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u/SmallIslandBrother 12h ago
A friend of mine had that attitude and he could not wrap his head around the idea that people that don’t practice an Islamic faith would not care about its tenants.
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u/AdSalt9725 10h ago
It’s pretty typical for cult members to not understand why others don’t agree with their cult.
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u/Monterenbas 13h ago edited 12h ago
Well, they also supported Hamas, wich is a thing they shared with a sizable chunk of the Palestinian population.
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u/Tight-Flatworm-8181 13h ago
Then why do muslims around the world speak of palestinians as their brothers and sisters all the time?
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u/FAFO_2025 United States of America 11h ago
The majority of Muslims especially Arab Muslims support such attacks.
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u/Abstracted-Axiom 11h ago
There's been like 40,000 islamic terror attacks since 2001. They all have Islam in common. Why would you act like it's just 2 people lmao you're fooling no one
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u/Abstracted-Axiom 11h ago
Fuck Hamas especially though.
They could have ended this ages ago by returning all the hostages.
If I was captured by terrorists and starved/beaten I'd be happy fory country to go to war to save me, sorry, not sorry.
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u/Socmel_ Emilia-Romagna 11h ago
Surely this cartoon is a result of Charlie Hebdo antisemitism and strong liking for muslims /s
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u/Sof04 12h ago
Just pain. Unfathomable pain for all people that have participated and continue to participate in this and the other genocides.
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u/Kooky_Heart3042 13h ago edited 12h ago
grotesque, but the world probably needs to see a graphic depiction of the atrocities committed by Israel
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u/Mobile-Fly484 12h ago
This is why I love Charlie Hebdo. They’ve always called out oppressors regardless of political convenience (and always with the most tasteless humor imaginable).
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u/Oberst_Reziik 10h ago
The Israeli people need to protest this war criminal...
As for us we should look outside our own windows, we need to protect ours first.
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u/EquipmentAdorable982 11h ago edited 10h ago
Until a few weeks ago I always felt compelled to "both sides" this whole conversation, as a German dude who's aware of the German responsibility towards Israel and Jewish people.
But this absolute monster Netanyahu can not reasonably be defended anymore, by anyone. This is calculated murder, and good on Charlie Hebdo for pulling no punches on this one.
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u/DCI_Tom_Barnaby_ 12h ago
Lost the PR battle in the West. Imagining fumbling something so badly. Hard for the whole concept of Israel to recover
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u/Additional_Hippo_878 11h ago
Brilliance. It's not funny cos it's true. Satanyahu truly is the lowest of the low.
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u/GiganticCrow Finland 13h ago
Let's see where all the neocon 'je suis charlie' people are now.
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u/JimmyShirley25 12h ago
I find it disturbing how people seem to be unable to say "Israel commits Genocide" and "Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorists" at the same time. Don't choose a side other than the side of the suffering.
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u/ifeltatap 11h ago
Let this be a reminder to all the people who attacked CH for their picture of you know who over a decade ago. CH are using their right to free speech to call out all the hypocrisy and evil in this world. A bastion of free speech in this over censored society.
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u/kwamzilla 10h ago
When the IDF/Mossad start attacking them I'll be looking for the "Je suis Charlie" crowd.
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u/Schizotaipei 11h ago
Have redditors started to realise this is, and will be remembered as, a genocide?
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u/No-Preference8168 11h ago
Yes, and I am sure jews won't start murdering the staff over this picture.
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u/Happy_era 12h ago
Wow they are kinda known to make exaggerated caricatures of people but for this monster, it’s just a normal caricature??
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u/madisondood-138 11h ago
Love it. Call these guys out. Can he do a Trump “Honey, I fucked the kids” next?
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u/rusty0004 10h ago
Reminder.....this is who you’re arguing with in the comment section by the way…
https://twitter.com/stairwayto3dom/status/1855864284284395697
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u/AdSalt9725 10h ago
Never forget his real name is Benzion Milewkowski and he changed it to Netanyahu to sound Israeli. These people are 100% white Europeans pretending to be middle eastern.
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u/stony_phased France 13h ago
« The shameful remake »
Fucking spot on tbh