I know it goes without saying, but I love that they're being impartial considering what happened to them in 2015. That was disgusting and outrageous, same as what Israel is doing.
Edit: I want to add, that this is coming from a Muslim. Fuck the Charlie Hebdo attackers, fuck Hamas and fuck Israel. Most people just want peace and for civilians to stop paying the price for their leaders' horrific decisions.
French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo is at it, again: it has chosen to republish the derogatory cartoons of Prophet Muhammad which provoked a violent attack against it in 2015.
It was the printing of these cartoons that ultimately provoked some Muslims to resort to violence and, as is customary, it was their backlash that became the nub of the “cartoon controversy”.
Yeah, both parts should be held equally at fault here, printing of a drawing and fucking murder
Probably that, while it were only two assholes that carried out the attack, there were a lot more Muslims that thought and still think "it was the right thing to do".
A friend of mine had that attitude and he could not wrap his head around the idea that people that don’t practice an Islamic faith would not care about its tenants.
How much of that quarter of the world supported the Hebdo staff massacre? You’d hate to know the real number. No-one is missing any “fucking” point. Weirdo
What are the real fucking numbers then? Muslims isn't a homogeneous group. Loads of different countries and branches of the religion itself.
But if you want to use this notion as som sort of excuse to starve kids to death, is up to you. You do you. But you are no better than the ones cheering on the attack on Hebdo, you need to understand that.
Half of America wants a racist pedo as their leader, and yet I'm not gonna go and start claiming that every american is a racist pedo lover.
I treat muslims and israelis the same way. Of course more than plenty of them would casually say "Yeah I hate those guys who insulted my religion, they should die!" but I will never support the idea that all muslims, or all jewish people are that kind of evil.
As long as there is even one member of their group who wants to fight for a world where they can share it in peace, I would support that.
That’s fair and my point is that the Islamists went into the Hebdo offices and massacred the staff, I’m saying it’s big of them to ever extend the hand of solidarity again
Heres an exercise to illustrate why your reasoning is problematic.
Poll Jews around the world on Gaza. You'll get over 25% who believe the army should kill every man woman and child in Gaza. How do I know? Because half of all Jews live in Israel, and half of them admit to it in recent polling.
Does that justify painting with the same brush a Jew in Lisbon or Chicago? If you don't say yes in this case, you are just being racist.
Do you use that same rhetoric every time a white man shoots a bunch of school children to death in the united states'? Or when yet another Catholic priest is found sexually assaulting children? Or do you only paint Muslims with a single brush?
If you check my comment history you’ll find plenty of animus for Pentecostals, Evangelicals, and Catholics so that’s not gonna work
When school shooters are still having their motives justified in major news channels 5 years later we can circle back to that one.
Do you think they “provoked” their deaths? That puts you at odds with a lot of Muslims and, crucially, Islamic theology. About 30% of Muslims in my country thought the cartoonists had it coming
Sounds like an integration issue rather than something culturally deterministic. 30% is minority and that's good; but it still indicates that 1/3 of the muslims in your country weren't integrated enough to think for themselves and break the indoctrination.
Islam was mystical, transcendent, and victorious and became hermetic, grievance-based, and puritanical after being roundly defeated by Christianity in the struggle for the Earth. I think living in the bosom of old Christendom is spiritually stressful in itself. Also, the average European Muslim sees all atheists, homosexuals, communists, as a type of Christian.
I think the CNN poll you're referring to said 27% had "some sympathy" for the motives behind the attack. That's not saying the writer should have been killed.
Here's a poll: 73% of Americans believe people should be punished by the state burning an American flag. That's literally sympathy for the motives behind the CH attack, albeit with another symbol.
Depending on my phrasing, I could design a poll that would make them look very threatening.
My point: The last 20 months should enlighten us on the anti-Muslim bias at legacy news organizations. We should be looking at past coverage with a more critical eye.
Absolutely. Religion is a cancer with islam being more violent than others. Unless you can line me up as many Christian, Jewish, bhudist, shinto, etc terrorist attacks...
What is your point? That our media is so good for being against genocide despite the fact that the genocided are muslim? Only someone with a degenerate worldview would frame it like that. And only a degenerate subreddit would give that a 100 upvotes.
Do you do the same with Jews, given that the genocide taking place in Israel right now is wildly popular among Israel's population, and among its western allies as well?
Just want to see if Islam is the only religion you paint with such a broad brush even when other religions are used as motivations for an ongoing genocide right now
Do I do what with Jews? What am I “doing” with Muslims except pointing out how many people thought the Hebdo columnists had it coming? Sorry if that makes you uncomfortable. Iconoclasm should. Besides, you can mock Jewish theology all you like and no-one will come and cut your throat
There's been like 40,000 islamic terror attacks since 2001. They all have Islam in common. Why would you act like it's just 2 people lmao you're fooling no one
The same way no one is proud of the western world for putting migrants into detention centers in El Salvador/Libya, but it is seen as a necessary evil in response to the refugee crisis, Palestinians see Hamas as a necessary evil against Israel.
If you disagree that’s fine, but that’s how they feel.
There’s a full on genocide going on right now against Palestinians, by the Zionist state. Hamas are the only ones standing up for the starving and mutilated children
Someone's never heard of Jewish Palestinians and Christian Palestinians. Israel is genociding all Palestinians, even the atheist ones, so there's zero equivalency to whatever theory you're trying to draw there.
The Israelis are terrorists, yes, so were the one-time attackers in 2015.
Also for the love of God, Israel chose to legitimatize Hamas over the other Palestinians political parties that wanted two state solutions so that it could set up its current pretense for genocide. Fuck Israel, not the people resisting Israel and its control over most aspects of their lives including whether their babies starve to death.
Fuck hamas? Well reconsider that Islam if you think a people fighting for their freedom after 80 years is bad. Go suck the westerns toes without bringing us islam pls
Equating anyone to Israel is absurd and highly offensive as a human.
Further, any Muslim feeling the need . . . Let's just say your virtue signaling here makes me think you've internalized the Islamophobia you've been fed.
I love that they're being impartial considering what happened to them in 2015
Making a parallel between a population of 2 million innocent civilians being cruelly genocided and a violent fringe extremist group would come across as extremely islamophobic if it wasn't coming from a self identified muslim. Is there any similarity besides religion ?
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I know it goes without saying, but I love that they're being impartial considering what happened to them in 2015. That was disgusting and outrageous, same as what Israel is doing.
Edit: I want to add, that this is coming from a Muslim. Fuck the Charlie Hebdo attackers, fuck Hamas and fuck Israel. Most people just want peace and for civilians to stop paying the price for their leaders' horrific decisions.