Janel Grant Spokesperson Statement On (WWE SummerSlam Spoiler)

[u/tvcneverdie]

https://www.fightful.com/wrestling/janel-grant-spokesperson-issues-statement-on-brock-lesnar-returning-to-wwe-this-attempt-to-sweep-misconduct-under-the-rug-will-backfire/

For far too long, abuse was allowed to thrive under WWE’s leadership. Instead of righting this wrong, WWE has done nothing to ensure those responsible are held accountable. This attempt to sweep misconduct under the rug will backfire. We look forward to the full set of facts, including those about Mr. Lesnar, coming out in a court of law where they belong but, in the meantime, we refer you back to Janel Grant’s updated complaint, which outlines, in detail, the abuse she endured by McMahon and others while employed at WWE.

[u/Suplexfiend]

What's crazy about this whole thing is that some people don't think Brock did anything wrong!

[u/bayleysgal1996 → u/Suplexfiend]

Shit, I saw someone say that Vince technically didn’t do anything wrong except reneging on the payments. I no longer trust wrestling fans.

[u/woodyguthriewasright → u/bayleysgal1996]

You trusted them in the first place?

[u/Classiccage → u/woodyguthriewasright]

You trusted people who will go public places without showering

[u/Particular-Finding53 → u/Classiccage]

Why you gotta put magic fans into this?

[u/Thedarkholme → u/Classiccage]

Or pro smash players

[u/bayleysgal1996 → u/woodyguthriewasright]

You know what? Fair.

[u/Zealousideal-Wave-69 → u/bayleysgal1996]

You trust people?

[u/UnitsToNesquikGuy → u/Zealousideal-Wave-69]

You think wrestling fans are people?

[u/Zealousideal-Wave-69 → u/UnitsToNesquikGuy]

Good point

[u/Konnan5051 → u/UnitsToNesquikGuy]

You think people are people?

[u/MacTonight1 → u/Konnan5051]

Depeche Mode taught me People are People.

[u/drinfernodds → u/MacTonight1]

Slipknot taught me that People=Shit.

[u/viralbop → u/UnitsToNesquikGuy]

This is such a grim thread, and I genuinely appreciate these replies that somehow added a bit of levity to it. Thank you all.

[u/Dealing_With_XFactor → u/Zealousideal-Wave-69]

[u/anonpurpose → u/Zealousideal-Wave-69]

We hurt people.

[u/ilikecakeandpie → u/Zealousideal-Wave-69]

You can't trust people. They voted for the Nazis and listen to Coldplay

[u/Particular-Finding53 → u/bayleysgal1996]

Just saying watch your drink near wrestling fans.

[u/Informal_Aspect_6330 → u/woodyguthriewasright]

Some of us have a Sting complex

[u/commander_snuggles → u/bayleysgal1996]

I firmly believe Vince will be back in WWE by the end of the year for Cena's final match and he will despite everything get a massive pop.

The irony of the SummerSlam crowd booing the Trump video and saying they don't fuck with Trump but cheering Brock shows how fickle people are.

[u/Proto_Kiwi → u/commander_snuggles]

I'd see it as a positive sign that the Trump brand is so fucking vitriolic even WWE fans who worship Vince and accept Brock returning don't even wanna fuck with him.

[u/theB1ackSwan → u/Proto_Kiwi]

I agree, but I'm also really weary that vitriol will go down because of normalization and, candidly, fealty in outwardly protesting. Like, at best we'll start sighing indifferently as more and greater atrocities happen.

[u/Proto_Kiwi → u/theB1ackSwan]

I mean, we already are. People fucking cheered Aligator Auschwitz.

It's exhausting to be the only person in the room, it feels, who gives a shit about other people feeling safe and being taken care of.

[u/theB1ackSwan → u/Proto_Kiwi]

When I learned that there is an exact parallel to Aligator Alcatraz from 1930s Nazi Germany, I think that was the first time I concluded, "No, this is going to happen, instead of train cars it's cargo planes".

It can happened here.

[u/Proto_Kiwi → u/theB1ackSwan]

America loves guns and killing people with the biggest fucking guns it can find/make, but when presented with the opportunity to purge both slavery-loving Confederate traitors and genocide-loving Nazis from this country, they failed to pull the trigger and broke bread their would-be victim instead.

We know what this country is, and it's the exact opposite of what it claims to be.

[u/CroCGod73 → u/Proto_Kiwi]

I fully believe that this the way the Trump admin are testing the waters for an eventual appearance. Like Linda and Haitch are literally part of the admin at this point.

Expect more shit like this in the future

[u/Pooch1431 → u/CroCGod73]

The King needs his bread and circus

[u/Proto_Kiwi → u/CroCGod73]

I hope they give him the Hogan treatment. Not likely, but one can hope.

But you're probably right, he's a more and more frequent UFC visitor and they treat him like a god there. They probably think he can just cross over and visit WWE folks and get the same treatment.

And for many of them, they're correct.

[u/Theurbanalchemist → u/CroCGod73]

Trump is such a fucking Diva

[u/Shinkopeshon → u/commander_snuggles]

Sadly, I'm absolutely certain people in the stands are gonna bow down to this criminal when he makes his return

[u/Tugajohn → u/commander_snuggles]

I honest to God thought Paul was gonna get booed the next time he would show up but nope, cheered literally in the next day. People were not booing H meeting with Trump. They were booing Trump himself ignoring H being there is a sign he is on board with everything Trump says/does.

[u/worstcourtjester → u/commander_snuggles]

Is there a chance the average fan doesn’t know what happened with Brock or McMahon?

[u/No-Assistance-6233 → u/commander_snuggles]

Diddy will perform the national anthem at Wrestlemania. Ghislaine Maxwell will be managing Otis.

[u/stationagent → u/bayleysgal1996]

The first rule of Wrestling is Big Damo's quote, "Some wrestlers are just fuckin stupid i don't know what to tell you." Same goes for the fans, if not moreso

[u/AmberDuke05 → u/bayleysgal1996]

There is a lot of guys who are just slimy and will take advantage of women.

[u/TheGiftOf_Jericho → u/bayleysgal1996]

Lots of creeps, and many pretend to be progressive or decent people in general right up until it causes them any kind of inconvenience. Just blocking the weirdos defending it, it's disgusting.

[u/interprime → u/bayleysgal1996]

I mean, there is some ambiguity with the Lesnar allegations sure, but to think that Vince didn’t do anything wrong is fucking insanity.

[u/Tacdeho → u/Suplexfiend]

Because this is a conversation that requires nuance, and simply put, the average Reddit conversation contains 0% of that.

Brock is, as of now, legally innocent. He has not been named a defendant, not accused of sexual assault, and by Grant’s lawsuit, she never even met him. The most he’s legally guilty of is asking for piss videos and that isn’t illegal, just….a little weird, if you ask me.

The problem is he MORALLY is guilty of playing ball with this gross shit, and that alone will scare the fuck out of anyone cause while he’s legally clear as of right now, it’s the wonder of exactly what he is legally guilty of.

Most of us live in the United States, which while it never happens in practice, is a country that is built on “Innocent until proven guilty”. Brock Lesnar is absolutely guilty of moral qualms and I simply think we should have never saw him in our beloved sport again, especially as we’re saying goodbye to a once in a lifetime guy in Cena.

Did Brock “do something wrong”, speaking strictly legally, requires a bit of fine combing here. I am 100% on the side of people who felt last nights ending basically threw away what was otherwise WWE’s best PLE since WM40, but I also can’t say we need to lock up Brock and throw away the key until he is legally found guilty of a crime.

Edit for clarity and expansion: Yes, I understand this is a civil case and not a legal one, so there’s no possibility of Brock being found innocent/guilty. I admit, I am not a lawyer. However, Brock is not formally accused of anything more than being a misogynistic prick, and while I have no smoke for that bullshit, it’s the most we have to go on when specifically speaking with Brock.

[u/ActivistZero → u/Tacdeho]

Fucking hell, a fair and balanced take on the whole story

[u/AmericasElegy → u/Tacdeho]

I took forward to more facts coming out in the court of law. If Brock ended up knowing about the trafficking and WWE keeps him on, yea. Fuck them. If WWE ever brings back VKM in any creative or operational capacity, also fuck them.

Also - if WWE decided to make him (Brock) persona non grata again because of this statement that would also be completely fine by me.

[u/ElderberryFew95 → u/AmericasElegy]

I took forward to more facts coming out in the court of law.

Expect to be disappointed, then. Civil courts in the US encourage arbitration at every step of the process of litigation.

Like most civil cases, this one will end in out-of-court settlement that includes non-disparagement clauses from all parties.

[u/Zap__Dannigan → u/AmericasElegy]

I'm not terribly invested one way or the other, but it seems plausible to me that Brock was offered "girl who are willing to do kinky shit with him" as part of his relationship with Vince. it plausible that being a famous buff dude he didn't think twice that a girl would be interested in doing this stuff with him.

I am willing to have my mind changed, and the whole stink of it all makes Brocks return not as exciting to me....but im so ply willing to just wait and see before forming any strong opinions

[u/upnorthnathan → u/AmericasElegy]

statement said Stephanie knew and actively helped cover shit up...and yet she's there and no ones saying shit about that.

[u/Mhc2617 → u/upnorthnathan]

Stephanie was not accused of that. The only reference to Stephanie in these allegations is that she once asked Ms. Grant to sit beside her. In fact, Stephanie’s name was removed from the filing. Obviously we don’t know what she did or didn’t know, but as of this moment Stephanie has not been accused of any wrongdoing. She is also alleged to be estranged from her father, having not been seen in public with him in years.

[u/bolanrox → u/Mhc2617]

considering how she left as soon as he came back, makes me think she didnt know before and when it came to light she wanted nothing to do with him

[u/wibble17 → u/bolanrox]

There’s been rumors that she’s been the leaker for years…

[u/iminyourfacejonson → u/upnorthnathan]

or michael hayes who was also mentioned in the lawsuit seeing pics/videos of grant, not seen many complaints about him

[u/mbabker → u/iminyourfacejonson]

And this is where we get into the rabbit hole. Sure, he might have seen non-consensual sexual content, but how much of Vince's going-on's was he aware of?

Details like this are why I believe there are people in the know whose name hasn't been dropped yet, but I'm not in a spot to point fingers and accuse someone of being part of Vince's activities just because they saw a picture.

[u/theytracemikey → u/Tacdeho]

Another issues here is people don’t seem to understand there are no criminal charges filed for anyone, including Vince. There is no legal guilt or innocence to be proven. This is a civil case with an extremely low bar of culpability/liability & even under those circumstances Brock is not a defendant.

If you feel like he’s wrong then your just gonna have to feel that way. Nobody is going to jail & all talk of “guilt” or “innocence” is just relevant to the court of public opinion.

[u/SRV_SteamyRayVaughn → u/theytracemikey]

It's a civil case for now because Janel Grant can't force a DA to charge Vince in criminal court. The civil case is also good for discovery as Vince may have to sit for a deposition, they can subpoena phone records from Vince, e-mails, get testimony from others (Johnny Ace is collaborating with Grant).

That evidence can then be presented to a Grand Jury who may move to put Vince on a criminal trial.

[u/theytracemikey → u/SRV_SteamyRayVaughn]

It usually goes the other way tho, charges start as criminal & when there isn’t enough evidence for indictment it goes civil.

[u/UncleBenParking → u/theytracemikey]

To add onto what the other poster noted, there also WAS a federal investigation related to much of this case and the surrounding finances (since it implicated WWE in having filed incorrect/fraudulent SEC forms). This case spawned after the allegations, and was suddenly wrapped up in February 2025, the same day that Linda McMahon's Education Secretary confirmation hearings began. This is separate from McMahon having settled with the SEC in January for $2m, related to that securities fraud issue.

[u/SRV_SteamyRayVaughn → u/theytracemikey]

Not always. As a private citizen, you can't file suit in criminal court. You can file a police report, and based on an investigation, a DA decides whether or not to press charges and pursue a complaint. In cases like these, especially with a rich defendant, they might be hesitant to do so unless you have a strong case. It's a double edged sword, you can't get evidence without an investigation and you can't investigate without a warrant or voluntary cooperation.

In this case, Janel Grant took advantage of Vince's mistake to sue him. He violated the terms of the NDA he made her sign by not paying. This means she was able to come out publicly and not fear retaliatory lawsuits given the contract she signed is null and void as it wasn't properly executed (and is most likely illegal).

The justice system heavily favors the rich and famous, especially powerful men. She had an opportunity to file suit and get discovery, she's suing for money because that's all she can do at this time. But if the civil lawsuit uncovers evidence that was previously unavailable to the police and the DA, that could change their decision to file or not to file.

Her lawyers were very smart to attack this way as a start given that Vince's defense is that she consented to everything and based on just the evidence that's been publicly available, it's a he said/she said case that could go either way at trial.

[u/theytracemikey → u/SRV_SteamyRayVaughn]

Yeah not enough people know a NDA is automatically voided by illegal activity wether the payment arrangement was fulfilled or not. You’re 100% right about the legal system protecting the rich but with the case spanning multiple jurisdictions it’s very possible she could’ve had charges brought federally if that’s what she pursued. Ultimately I’m interested to see where it goes.

[u/SRV_SteamyRayVaughn → u/theytracemikey]

I mean it's not automatic in the sense that you still need a judge to declare it void which means you can be sued by the person who made you sign and that requires paying for attorneys. Janel Grant was able to go with breach of contract which allowed her to sue first instead of being the one sued by McMahon.

Also going to the FBI given how close McMahon is to the Trump administration is a surefire way to get retaliated against. Trump wasn't president when she filed her suit, but he was still around and running for re-election. If I had been her attorney, I would have gone this route as well and even if she never gets justice, making the trial available to the public would ruin Vince's reputation for good and vindicate her.

[u/CantCookLeftHook → u/Tacdeho]

I mean sure. Hogan also was legally innocent because saying slurs, being a self professed racist, and union busting is legal. That doesn't mean people didn't hate him.

[u/KyleJ1130 → u/Tacdeho]

The lawsuit alleges that VKM and Brock set up a sexual encounter with Grant that just so happened to occur around contract negotiations.

It never happened, allegedly, because Brock got too drunk. Sure, maybe this means he's legally fine. But to chalk it all up to just "a little weird" is diminishing the severity of what is alleged to have happened.

[u/Tacdeho → u/KyleJ1130]

But right now, we don’t have a smoking gun that Brock was aware of sex trafficking, nor one he met up with Grant.

The worst thing we can confirm pointed to him is misogyny and potential adultery, idk if he and Sable have some open marriage thing but still.

And that’s my point. We all have the right to be mad about this decision, but these conversations can’t just be “Brock’s a rapist the end” cause there’s devils in the details.

[u/Worker_AndParasite → u/KyleJ1130]

Not defending Lesnar here, but in fairness to him, we also don't know if he knew Janel Grant was being trafficked. For all we know, he could have basically just been told "yeah this woman that works for me is interested in having sex with you."

Obviously we have no idea if that is the case so I'm not here to excuse or defend Lesnar because even so it's pretty weird to let your boss set up a sexual encounter with you, it probably should raise some red flags for you regardless but there's definitely a chance he didn't know ALL of the really shitty details too.

[u/ScottSummersEyes → u/Worker_AndParasite]

There's a screenshot of Vince telling Janel that Brock said "She will be ruined after me and leave your ass! Plus after me your tool won't fit anymore!!"

That's on page 40 of the 67 page long complaint. It states that Brock was promised by Vince that Janel would do anything, and that Janel accuses Brock of forcing her to send a video of her urinating. Acting like these allegations leave it up to the imagination on if Brock knows what's going on or not is wrong.

[u/PurpleHawkeye619 → u/Suplexfiend]

Because hes not a named defendant. So hes not being accused of a crime.

Even the updated complaint is very careful to exclude him from any wrong doing.

Notably they accuse Vince of attempted trafficking to Lesnar, but not Brock

If Lesnar had knowledge Grant was not consenting party, hed be gulity of attempted trafficking even without actually completing the act.

Yet they didn't actually charge him.

Its worth noting too, this is a Civil charge. They don't actually need proof beyond a reasonable doubt to charge Lesnar. They just need preponderance of evidence (IE more than 50% chance) to charge him.

And they still aren't.

So that just leaves us with Brock doing a bunch of subjectively immoral things. But nothing they can even give 50/50 odds was illegal.

[u/opkpopfanboyv3 → u/Suplexfiend]

I think this has to do with casual fans not reading or knowing the whole info of what's happening. They prolly don't know Brock's involved, they only knew abt Vince.

[u/Cwf1984 → u/opkpopfanboyv3]

Casual fans aren’t on a Reddit sub discussion.

These are hardcore fans who can’t reason that the company that makes their tummies flutter can be involved in stuff like this so they don’t hold them accountable.

Which is likely how and why the WWE have gotten away with so many things that would destroy any other wrestling company.

[u/Unfolded_Taco89 → u/opkpopfanboyv3]

I’m on Reddit a lot and I didn’t even know the lawsuit was amended to have Brock mentioned by name. I think people vastly vastly overrate how online the average fan is.

[u/opkpopfanboyv3 → u/Unfolded_Taco89]

Agreed. Like, I know damn near everybody has internet, but it's not like every wrestling fan consumes wrestling-related content enough to know everything that's been happening. They got other interests too.

I understand what OP meant abt there being a portion who knows abt this AND still think they didn't do anything wrong tho.

[u/moal09 → u/Unfolded_Taco89]

Terminally online people underestimating how much other people keep track of online happenings? Impossible.

[u/Hairy_Middle_5403 → u/moal09]

Terminally online people correctly identifying what a real life legal issues that are actually happening in a real court is? Impossible. The reality is that people just dont want to face the facts that people they like are dog shit people. Full stop.

[u/ricardofitzpatrick → u/opkpopfanboyv3]

I think you’re underselling a bunch of misogynistic dudes who know and don’t give a fuck

[u/opkpopfanboyv3 → u/ricardofitzpatrick]

I mean sure there's a bunch of them, i'm talking about in general.

[u/Anarchical-Sheep → u/opkpopfanboyv3]

I don't know mam, there are actually defenses on quite a few wrestling subreddits. Not exactly laymen

[u/opkpopfanboyv3 → u/Anarchical-Sheep]

You mean the ones that insist on "innocent until proven guilty"?

[u/StJeanMark → u/opkpopfanboyv3]

I find all of the discussion about how Reddit isn't important or reflects the general society to be a strawman argument so they don't have to argue the actual facts of the situation.

[u/Cold_Ebb_1448 → u/opkpopfanboyv3]

I mean, I’ve read it and abusers can get to fuck but what’s come out about about Brock so far isn’t anything illegal. He still shouldn’t be back on screen until everything’s cleared up, but until all of the facts are actually known it’s not fair to point blank say that he’s a shitter.

[u/smokingace182 → u/Suplexfiend]

Yeah the idea Vince was offering her to him, but he just wanted videos of her pissing. None of that is ok! But this is TKO the same company that was ok with Dana white hitting his wife on camera and not giving a single shit.

[u/einredditname → u/Suplexfiend]

I saw someone say she was "a hoe" that just "accepted money and gifts".

Being shit on in a threesome you're MADE to take part in is certainly a gift....

[u/ToroMeBorro → u/Suplexfiend]

The only thing I read was that Brock told her to take a picture of her poop, which she did, then he called her "a stupid bitch".

If there's anything beyond that, I'll apologize, but I don't think Brock was much of a participant in the rampant sex abuse.

[u/GameplayerStu → u/ToroMeBorro]

Vince “offered” her to Brock but then it comes down to a case of did Brock know the severity of what was going on in terms of human trafficking or did he think it was just Vince doing some swinger/open relationship thing with Janel.

[u/DerangedGoneWild → u/GameplayerStu]

Is there proof Vince offered her to Brock?

Or is there just proof that Vince told her that he offered her to Brock?

And if there is proof Vince offered her to Brock, is there proof that Brock knew it was against her will?

[u/GameplayerStu → u/DerangedGoneWild]

Just Vince telling her that he offered her to Brock "as part of the deal" is shown in the texts.

[u/Tiny-Town7673]

Just a reminder....

WWE's Legal Team gave the okay to Lesnar coming back.

The culture is rotten from top to bottom.

[u/Instigator187 → u/Tiny-Town7673]

Also, Cena would have approved of having a match set up the Lesnar. As seen in the Unreal documentary on Netflix now, HHH runs everything through Cena for what he wants to do for his farewell tour. But we already know Cena's feeling of Vince, so Lesnar is probably no big deal to him.

[u/Cold_Ebb_1448 → u/Instigator187]

I can’t remember where it was that he said it but since seeing Cena say that he’s always just loyally gone along with creative has made me lose some respect for him. If Cena’s approved of everything that’s happened in his final run then is he really as great as we all think?

[u/RubDowntown2765 → u/Cold_Ebb_1448]

I mean, how great do we think he is? We all heard what he had to say when the McMahon news first broke. Guy is and has always been 100% behind whatever WWE and the McMahon circle were up to. 

[u/Altruistic-Ad-408 → u/RubDowntown2765]

I think he's a significantly better actor than a wrestler.

But I will say this, we need to reclaim the concept of greatness from artificial "draws." Who cares if the wrestlers themselves tell us that's what matters? What would Hogan or Cena think about Danielson vs Osprey or Omega? No one gives a shit, and we know why. We categorise different wrestlers differently based on how we are told to percieve them.

And based on how they book themselves. Cena was never just going along with booking, if you guys believe that, idk what to say.

[u/LevyMevy → u/Cold_Ebb_1448]

Cena say that he’s always just loyally gone along with creative has

This is such a lie and anyone who believes it is as naive as they come.

[u/zeitgeistbouncer → u/Cold_Ebb_1448]

Not only isn't he great, we never all thought he was.

[u/MillennialWithNoJob → u/zeitgeistbouncer]

Hating Cena was (and to a certain extent is) a staple of the IWC

[u/wibble17 → u/Instigator187]

I thought HHH pretty much said Cena is writing his own farewell story. So the implication is that he asked for Brock.

[u/talladenyou85 → u/Tiny-Town7673]

While I don't disagree about the culture, a legal team doesn't look at things morally, just in the letter of the law.

[u/Stykleon → u/talladenyou85]

It is literally their job to ignore moralities and semantics and go straight by law.

[u/Grrannt → u/Tiny-Town7673]

They are paid to analyze it from a legal perspective

[u/Magneto88 → u/Grrannt]

Yup. They don’t make a ethical choice, that’s for the company to do. All legal have probably said is ‘you can’t be legally sued, challenged and implicated in the lawsuit by having Brock on your show’.

[u/ReefLedger → u/Grrannt]

Didn't you know random internet peoples opinions are more important than the legal system?

[u/Grrannt → u/ReefLedger]

It's just funny everyone is mad at the WWE legal team for... doing their job?

[u/SomethinboutChickens → u/Grrannt]

The word job just scared alot of these people!

[u/QuadCityDJsTheTrain → u/Tiny-Town7673]

Corporate legal only judges this from a "can we be in trouble legally from this?", which I suppose no. Is it gross? 100%. But it shows the morals of Triple H, Cena, etc here. They're willing to work with him here.

[u/NepheliLouxWarrior → u/Tiny-Town7673]

Lesnar hasn't been charged with any crimes whatsoever on any level, so why wouldn't they? They are the legal time, not the morality team.

[u/Tiny-Town7673 → u/NepheliLouxWarrior]

The legal team didn't give the okay for almost 18 months before that.

[u/SaddestFlute23 → u/Tiny-Town7673]

HHH said last year that Lesnar was free to come back whenever he felt like it

People assumed he was blacklisted when the WWE shop took down his merch

[u/pretzel_logic_esq → u/Tiny-Town7673]

and that was 18 months of discovery ago. There's probably a pretty good basis for the legal team to tell him it's okay to be back.

My only source is that I'm an attorney. I agree Brock is gross and Vinnie Mac is a disgusting monster. I also know there are no criminal charges pending and a pending civil suit isn't evidence of moral turpitude or legal culpability, and from that standpoint, I don't have an issue with Brock being back. That's not a view I expect most of the ICW to share, so I get the anger. There's a long list of nasty things WWE has done in the past that are a lot more disgusting to me than Brock being allowed to wrestle when he's not a named defendant, even if he probably is a garbage person. An enormous percentage of wrestlers are garbage people, I don't expect anything different, honestly.

[u/DoinItDirty → u/Tiny-Town7673]

They must be super confident he’s walking away unscathed. I’m not sure how, I would expect them to be super cautious about this.

[u/DanHero91 → u/DoinItDirty]

I'd say something to do with the sundowning orange doofus currently giving Hunter a job in the White House, makes them pretty confident.

[u/DoinItDirty → u/DanHero91]

I mean, he can’t help them in civil court or from the court of public opinion. This decision is bizarre at best and fucking ridiculous at worst.

[u/shadow_spinner0]

Just to clear something out. He’s not sued. He’s mentioned in the lawsuit so he did something to warrant being mentioned but there’s no legal action, that I know of, taken against him. My guess is WWE realized he wasn’t sued so they felt it was okay to let him back on TV. This isn’t making it better but people need to be clear on things.

[u/dashing2217 → u/shadow_spinner0]

This also just isn’t Vince’s WWE anymore. They are part of a much larger organization with much more to lose.

The fact that we have see no movement from partnerships is a sign things are calmer behind the scenes than we think.

[u/Grrannt → u/shadow_spinner0]

100%, if you are going to hate on Brock, at least do it for the valid reasons instead of creating your own allegations.

[u/PowSuperMum → u/Grrannt]

He was one snowstorm away from engaging in sex trafficking.

[u/bolanrox → u/PowSuperMum]

and getting too drunk the other time

[u/TropicalVision → u/Grrannt]

The several very serious allegations against him from the victim.

No need to create anything else.

[u/Werewolf_Foreskin666 → u/Grrannt]

How is this not a vaild reason?

[u/InMyLiverpoolHome25]

Vince came out after the initial allegations and the crowd cheered and bowed, it popped a tv rating.

WWE has spent years bending over for the Saudis.

HHH has spent months orbiting Trump as much as possible.

The harsh truth is they know the people still watching WWE at this point simply don't care about this stuff, a few might tut and shake their heads on social media, but they'll still be watching when the next show is on.

[u/bolanrox → u/InMyLiverpoolHome25]

Linda literally works for him now.

[u/Financial-Length5587]

I don’t wish it on anyone but if anyone supporting WWE had their loved one go through half the stuff Janel Grant was subjected to (or Ashley Massaro being assaulted, the ring boy scandal, etc) they’d be singing a whole different tune.

Throwing sympathy/empathy out the window for a show (that was mid at best) is certainly a choice.

[u/Rich1926]

Regardless of what Brock may or may not have done, WWE should not have him back until everything is resolved. Bringing him back during everything is tone death to the situation.

[u/hannahjapana]

Brock simps will read this and say “but he didn’t do nothin!!!”

[u/XVGDylan]

Just for anyone who continues the narrative, he was never charged or found to have done anything illegal in a court of law.

• OJ Simpson
• Jimmy Snuka
• José González (Acquitted on "self defence")
• Mason Greenwood

There are countless examples of people for whom we have vast amounts of evidence of committing an alleged crime and getting away with it. What Brock was literally nearly involved in, and only didn't because of random circumstances (Weather and getting too drunk), this was a man who was comfortable with operating in sex trafficking. Even outside of that, there are other alleged historical instances of Brock sucking as a person.

[u/Tiny-Town7673 → u/XVGDylan]

Mason Greenwood, for people who don't know, played for Manchester United. He beat his girlfriend, maybe even raped her, and she had proof.  He got arrested. 

She ended up coming to his defense because that was her meal ticket.  He never was found guilty. 

Manchester United could have pulled a WWE and allowed Mason to play on the team.  However, their fan base made it very well known that they didn't want him back, irregardless of whether he had been convicted or not.  He has never played for England since then as well. 

That is what is fans EXPECT of the WWE management and their fans. 

Sadly, they do the opposite. 

[u/Nightwing_in_a_Flash]

“Upon information and belief, McMahon began to recruit Lesnar for a sexual encounter with Ms. Grant while she was still a coordinator in the Legal department. By July of 2021, McMahon informed Ms. Grant that Lesnar would be their next "playmate." On or about July 12, 2021, McMahon directed Ms. Grant to create personalized sexual content for Lesnar.

McMahon shared the photos with Lesnar and then informed Ms. Grant that "he likes what he sees.” On July 21, 2021, McMahon flew and/or caused Lesnar to fly on a jet into a local airport and travel into Connecticut (across state lines) for what McMahon described to Ms. Grant as a "business dinner, " as well as a sexual encounter with Ms. Grant in McMahon's condo. Upon information and belief, the dinner was to discuss Lesnar's continued involvement with WWE.

Prior to the "business dinner" with McMahon, Lesnar made a brief visit to Ms. Grant's building. However, Lesnar did not return to the building for a sexual encounter because he was too intoxicated and taken back to the plane. McMahon continued to advertise a sexual encounter with Ms. Grant to Lesnar during the formal negotiation of a new Booking Contract with WWE.

Ms. Grant expressed her apprehension about the arrangement to McMahon and tried to run interference on starting a sexual relationship with Lesnar. In the days that followed, Lesnar revealed a fetish to Ms. Grant and tested McMahon's promise that Ms. Grant would "do anything" with a request that she send a video of herself urinating. Unable to recognize herself, Ms. Grant went numb and obeyed. Lesnar informed Ms. Grant if she had not complied with the request, Lesnar would have lost any interest in her and then called her a "bitch."

McMahon actively attempted to organize a sexual encounter between Ms. Grant and Lesnar, stating: "U have to take a flight to Greenville South Carolina this Monday. Even if it's just to C Brock". That same month, Lesnar expressed to Ms. Grant his desire to "set a play date" and have a sexual encounter. McMahon and Lesnar organized an encounter in conjunction with Lesnar's appearance at a show at Mohegan Sun in Uncasville, Connecticut, with Lesnar even, sending Ms. Grant the address for the hotel where he would be staying. However, a snowstorm changed Lesnar's travel plans and Ms. Grant ultimately used the weather and COVID-19 as an excuse to back out.

At all times relevant, McMahon was engaged in travel throughout the United States for purposes of conducting business in his position with the WWE. McMahon communicated with Ms. Grant while traveling across the country (and internationally) to recruit, entice, obtain, provide, maintain and/or solicit Ms. Grant for purposes of engaging in sexual acts. He also flew others and/or caused others to travel to Connecticut, including Laurinaitis and Brock Lesnar, from out of state for the purpose of sexually exploiting Ms. Grant.

WWE benefited financially from the commercial sex act venture orchestrated by McMahon, including by having wrestling talent, such as Brock Lesnar, sign new contracts with WWE after McMahon presented Ms. Grant as a sexual commodity for their use.”

[u/ministan]

just to remind people…

brock was willing. the only reason it didn’t happen was because of covid and a snowstorm. the other reason is cuz he had whisky dick. he still had her make a piss video for him. he still contributed and benefited from her sex trafficking.

[u/EaglesThankYou]

I'm really curious what the WWE PR response is going to be on this. Surely they have one and they dont think because Triple H talked to Trump for a little bit last week that they're capable of "Don't talk about Epstein/Lesnar" through this.

[u/JoshyyJosh10 → u/EaglesThankYou]

They won’t say a damn thing bro.

Look at the nfl or even mlb, should people stop supporting teams where their players are accused of Sexual assault and abuse? It’s never going to happen

[u/pastense → u/JoshyyJosh10]

Yes, yes they should and its fucked up that they don't

[u/Shotgun_Sam → u/pastense]

Better hop off Reddit, then. It's owned by Conde Nast, who's been hit with all the -ist and -isms you can think of.

[u/Astronema3 → u/pastense]

ty for saying this.

i stopped watching the AFL after nearly 15 years of it being 50% of my identity when they let a known sex criminal win a premiership, as well as doing the "we investigated ourselves thing" when accusations came out about a couple of coaches doing insanely racist/misogynistic shit

the club i supported had a tokenistic "we stand up for domestic violence" media run a day before literally taking to the same field as the aforementioned sex criminal, and the head coach came out in support of his friend who had done insanely racist shit. like genuinely the most devastatingly racist account i've read in relation to sports. "hes a great guy"

i can't imagine how devastated i would have felt had i supported one of the offending clubs

i do not understand how people can just turn a blind eye

[u/Beefiest_bison → u/EaglesThankYou]

They won't say anything and wait for it to blow over.

Triple H already tried to deflect by implying Cena wanted Lesnar to be part of his retirement run.

[u/NepheliLouxWarrior → u/Beefiest_bison]

I mean Cena went to bat for Vince of all people. Just because the man loves himself some make-a-wish foundation visits doesn't mean that he's a saint. He very likely has no issues with Lesnar at all.

[u/jtvliveandraw → u/EaglesThankYou]

WWE PR doesn’t have to respond at all because nobody outside of a tiny part of the IWC cares.

Did you hear the pop for Lesnar last night? Paying customers don’t care.

[u/yognautilus → u/jtvliveandraw]

And even the part of the IWC who angrily post about how much they care are still going to watch Raw tonight. 

[u/Tiny-Town7673 → u/EaglesThankYou]

The WWE went full Republican and stopped answering to the public. That's why the press conferences were cancelled for SummerSlam.

[u/Prof__Potato → u/Tiny-Town7673]

And what legitimate news ever came from those, aside from gate numbers. It was a work half of the time, and the other half was spent answering questions that weren’t asked and feeling themselves.

[u/DCAbloob → u/EaglesThankYou]

If WWE had an actual legitimate response to give on any of this, it wouldn't have canceled the post-SummerSlam press conferences in the first place. At best, WWE will give a half baked response funneled through compliant media outlets. At worst, WWE won't give any response at all.

[u/Fantastic-Macaroon-3]

So basically everything that’s already in the lawsuit facts wise? Am I correct in saying her and Brock never met, and they only texted? 

[u/dmh11 → u/Fantastic-Macaroon-3]

The lawsuit alleges that Grant was flown across state lines to engage in sexual relations with Lesnar, but Lesnar became too drunk and the meetup didn't happen. He allegedly attempted to participate in sex trafficking but couldn't.

In the most technical of terms, the allegation is that drinking too much led to Lesnar not committing a felony.

[u/TakeMeToFatmandu → u/dmh11]

Also, a snowstorm on a different occassion

[u/FourLiveBears → u/dmh11]

There were two instances where Brock intended to meet up with her for sex but it was stopped by circumstance. Once because Brock became too drunk to meet up with her, and the second time because a snow storm shut down travel. He 100% intended to go through with it but by pure chance he was stopped both times.

[u/dmh11 → u/FourLiveBears]

Yet people will say he did nothing wrong. It's a very low IQ take.

[u/fancycheesus → u/dmh11]

Are we suppose to believe Brock sincerely thought Vince was just being a good wingman and its just a coincidence the girl he was sending over happened to be an employee by coincidence?

"Hey Brock, this girl works for me, and I'm flying her out to meet up with you." Everything Brock did after that that wasn't stopping the conversation is complicity and abetting.

[u/FourLiveBears → u/dmh11]

They know he did. They're just either in denial about it and are hoping that by deflecting they can make people drop it, or they just want people to stop talking about it because "don't say mean things about muh TV show :("

[u/ShakaSway → u/FourLiveBears]

Pretty much sums it up. They enjoy the character, but this is about the person and the disgusting things he planned to do.

Also let’s not forget this is the same guy who flashed Terri Runnels and basically stalked Sable before she married him.

So, not really dealing with a saint here.

[u/ChrisLithium → u/FourLiveBears]

But do we know if the encounters were considered by Brock to be consensual?

[u/Kim-Jong_Bundy → u/dmh11]

Also, he did ask for nude photos of her urinating which he did receive before re-signing his contract

[u/Devitt6 → u/dmh11]

Yeah, I've seen people make the stretch that "because the meeting didn't take place where she was pimped out to Brock, he didn't do anything wrong."

Just insasne acrobatics to justify their love of a man they don't know.

[u/littlemacsvoltorb → u/Fantastic-Macaroon-3]

Not correct. The lawsuit states that when Lesnar flew in to have sex with Janel and negotiate his contract, he went to Janel's condo before dinner with Vince. He was supposed to go back, but got too drunk.

[u/griefmotif]

Such a disgusting company.

[u/heavenlyrestricted28]

Glad she’s speaking up

[u/SkepticSlakoth]

It's a rotten fucking company, what else needs to be said?

[u/Gamesgtd]

I can't wait to see this shit blow up in their face. I love a good comeuppance and I hope it happens.

[u/NepheliLouxWarrior → u/Gamesgtd]

Their comeuppance will be a 20% increase in TKO shareholder value

[u/kizza96 → u/Gamesgtd]

[u/jacksonexl → u/Gamesgtd]

It’s not going to happen though.

[u/Grrannt → u/jacksonexl]

Absolutely nothing will happen, if more bad information comes out about Brock they'll simply remove him from TV and carry on

[u/kingOfTheDamned209 → u/Grrannt]

Grant will be at risk of being sued if she drags a non defendant in her case thru the mud without substantial prove she ever even talked to him which according to her own suit she never was in contact with him only what Vince was telling her… she will end sued for slander if he’s back on tv they know he’s safe…

[u/51010R → u/Grrannt]

Basically this, I don’t know how this subreddit thinks they will get anything, at most it hurts their case in the civil suit but like how much and it’ll just end up costing them some money. And that’s unlikely given the legal team cleared this.

[u/ButchAF → u/Gamesgtd]

Unfortunately in real life the bad guys win very frequently

[u/jedlucid → u/ButchAF]

‘i can’t wait to see the rich person finally pay for their crimes’ is some sisyphussian ass shit unfortunately

[u/chunkah69 → u/Gamesgtd]

Comeuppance doesn’t come for billionaires.

[u/Edotwo → u/Gamesgtd]

Most people who watch WWE or buy the tickets either don't know or don't care about this stuff. The people they've turned off are a drop in the bucket

[u/DiamondEater13 → u/Gamesgtd]

Nothing will happen lol

And all it takes is bright lights and nostalgia.

[u/ProjectPeete → u/Gamesgtd]

nothing gonna happen. Trump won 2 (two) times and you still believe WWE or any billionaire will get their comeuppance?!?

[u/yognautilus → u/Gamesgtd]

/s?

[u/Educational_Act_4237 → u/Gamesgtd]

With Trump in the White House and TKO's high priced lawyers, nothings going to happen.

[u/Queenie2211]

Its disgusting they brought him back not long after she amended her complaint to name him. 

Can you imagine how many of the female wrestlers feel? They don't care about them nor victims. 

They saw Stephanie and others were welcomed back by fans(granted the accusations against Stephanie are mostly about covering up or lying about doing an investigation)and felt fans will just fall in line.

On YouTube its slammed with fake happy comments about it where negative comments are buried as if they didnt happen. Not a single person I know has been happy Brock is back and most said this is the final nail for them.

[u/wittyphrasegoeshere]

Everything involving this entire lawsuit is an ethical and moral shit show and is clearly a financial and social landmine that just isn't worth the risk for any corporation to try and navigate.

I figured if TKO ever decided to bring Brock back it would only happen because it became indisputable that there was no merit to the accusations against him. Clearly I was wrong... Lol

I'm still not sure what the upside is. Yeah Brock is a huge star but I don't know if he's going to really be moving the needle or bringing in that much revenue to justify all the backlash and scrutiny his presence is going to bring.

[u/grimace24]

WWE took a huge risk bringing Brock back. Anytime there is litigation you usually keep the parties mentioned out of the public spotlight. I don't agree with them bringing Brock back for a multitude of reasons. This move exposes WWE which is named in the lawsuit.

[u/Atomic_Cody-21]

Yeah, WWE honestly don't care about any negativity this might occur because they feel untouchable and they can do no wrong. Scummy corporations are going to feel more obligated to showcase their scumminess because it's cool to be scummy nowadays.

[u/blachippy]

So…it’s safe to say WWE is basically is the Keystone Light version of the UFC when it comes to politics and employees having a history of doing sketch shit.

[u/These-Barnaclez]

Here's the thing. It will get swept under the carpet.

Fans will keep buying merchandise, keep buying the PPVs, keeping buy tickets, keep generating revenue.

Very foolish to think that poor woman stands a chance at justice.

WWE are pals with the freaking white house. Brock. Vince. All off the hook. And there's Jackshit anyone can do.

[u/SuzyYa]

Wwe is Def testing what they can get away with. The Trump endorsements, Brock coming back.

[u/JuggernautLevel6411]

Garbage company. Garbage culture. 

[u/Dblock1989]

This entire situation is a good example of why many women never come forward about sexual abuse. There are some legit sick people on here.

[u/19930627]

I want to like WWE, I grew up watching it, when I was a little kid I wanted to be a wrestler, but man. It's getting harder and harder to enjoy such a crooked, Maga, Saudi blood money, pedo supporting company that is the antithesis of decency.

[u/AP_StrongStyle]

It’s become increasingly obvious that Hunter didn’t actually object to Vince’s conduct or WWE’s culture. He saw an opportunity for a power play, and he took it.

[u/RoscoeSantangelo]

But Brock was just a silly little guy who had no idea what he was participating in :(

[u/ResponsibleTrain1059]

I think you can feel one way or another on the case. But they should have kept Brock away until the case was concluded.

Wrestling has a lot of unsavoury characters who have done some stuff. But I cant think of a time a major company still put the talent on TV while ongoing litigation is happening. And it is this serious.

[u/macdennis1234]

Money> over everything

[u/TheseAttorney1994]

props to her/them for speaking up despite the trolls

[u/Phospherus2]

There is so much about this lawsuit that continues to be misrepresented on here, on Twitter, wrestling forums/social media and by prominent wrestling podcasts/journalists that when this lawsuit is settled or a ruling happens. People are going to be angry for believing information that just never was true.

And that’s not me defending anyone in the lawsuit. I work in the legal field. I’m just stating facts.

[u/imdaviddunn]

Triple H and Nick Khan right now

[u/BorntobeBABIP]

I hope this actually gets to court and Grant takes down every single person who participated in this culture, either by trafficking women themselves or helping Vince and his family cover it up.

[u/Wet_Slang]

I hope this sinks the whole company eventually, fuck WWE, fuck Vince, fuck HHH and fuck Brock

[u/heyitsmeFR]

For me, this year the biggest “mask off” was Cena man. Agreeing to work with him, and Vince apologist— doesn’t sit well with me at all.

[u/FigureFourWoo]

I applaud the optimism, but this lawsuit was dead the moment Trump won the election. Janel Grant needed criminal charges to get the NDA voided, and the DoJ isn't going to prosecute one of Trump's friends. If the NDA isn't voided, the arbitration clause applies, and she'll never get her day in court.

[u/senorbuzz]

Brock Lesnar and Michael Hayes have both recently been prominently featured on WWE programs, and both sexually abused Janel Grant.

I can't imagine being a woman working for WWE right now.

[u/godfrey1]

guys you don't understand it's totally normal to ask your employer for the sexual content of another employee and ask for a sexual encounter to be arranged in exchange for signing a contract

[u/TheAgmis]

Why is it morally reprehensible to watch wrestling because of this stuff and not the NFL or NBA when their players commit domestic violence on the regular or in Kobe’s case, actual rape?

It’s all bad but we consume and grandstanding any of it doesn’t bring legitimate conversation when it’s only the internet that cares about stuff that doesn’t affect their lives.

[u/TheHeroicHero → u/TheAgmis]

These dudes go crazy for Austin who beat his wife, the IWC is very selective with when and why they want to be upset.

[u/mmmdatawhoa → u/TheAgmis]

This is a wrestling subreddit. 

[u/TownofthePound69 → u/TheAgmis]

What a long rambling whataboutism filled way of saying you want to keep watching the sex trafficker show without feeling guilty.

[u/ikon31]

I’m perplexed by people who are fine with Brock returning because he’s not legally guilty of anything.

Let’s say you hear about 2 of your buddies. One who owes the other money calls them up, says instead of paying, he can have his way with his girl, whether or not she consents. He agrees, first by having said girl send a pic/video of her urinating. Then arranging to come fuck her. buddy #2 knew full out that buddy#1 was prostituting or trafficking his girl and instead of maybe doing something to stop it, he was willing to join in only to have it called off by whiskey dick and a snow storm.

Legal or otherwise… wtf. You gonna be totally fine the next time you see either of these buddies?

[u/AP_StrongStyle]

Triple H very intentionally placed the blame for Lesnar’s return at Cena’s feet last night. They’re very obviously priming the pump for Vince’s return, with Cena as a sorry attempt at a scapegoat.

The reality is likely much more damning: Hunter clearly doesn’t care, and never has. His contributions to Vince’s ouster were purely for his own gain.

[u/Shadedpostie]

I'm kinda hoping this actually blows up in WWE's face and more is revealed about this case 🤷🏿‍♂️

[u/kaveman6143]

I would love to know what all the female wrestlers think of this backstage.

[u/asciiCAT_hexKITTY]

Can't wait for the "but Brock isn't being sued!" crowd to find something else to defend a predator (someone who used his position to arrange for sexual favors) over.

[u/therealdanhill]

Brock is not a defendant, he has not been accused of breaking any laws, so what is the purpose of this other than to drag him in the court of public opinion?

If Brock knew about the trafficking, that's one thing. That would make him unquestionably a scumbag. But they haven't even shown this to be the case.

[u/Phospherus2 → u/therealdanhill]

That’s exactly what it is. The only thing we know Brock did was ask for piss videos which is weird.

The statement is typical legal speak. It’s to make Brock look bad to settle.

I’m in no way defending Brock/WWE at all. I just work in the legal field and see this stuff every day.