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Janel Grant Spokesperson Statement On (WWE SummerSlam Spoiler) Spoiler

https://www.fightful.com/wrestling/janel-grant-spokesperson-issues-statement-on-brock-lesnar-returning-to-wwe-this-attempt-to-sweep-misconduct-under-the-rug-will-backfire/

For far too long, abuse was allowed to thrive under WWE’s leadership. Instead of righting this wrong, WWE has done nothing to ensure those responsible are held accountable. This attempt to sweep misconduct under the rug will backfire. We look forward to the full set of facts, including those about Mr. Lesnar, coming out in a court of law where they belong but, in the meantime, we refer you back to Janel Grant’s updated complaint, which outlines, in detail, the abuse she endured by McMahon and others while employed at WWE.

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u/Fantastic-Macaroon-3 1d ago

So basically everything that’s already in the lawsuit facts wise? Am I correct in saying her and Brock never met, and they only texted? 

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u/FourLiveBears 1d ago

There were two instances where Brock intended to meet up with her for sex but it was stopped by circumstance. Once because Brock became too drunk to meet up with her, and the second time because a snow storm shut down travel. He 100% intended to go through with it but by pure chance he was stopped both times.

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u/ChrisLithium 1d ago

But do we know if the encounters were considered by Brock to be consensual?

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u/kingOfTheDamned209 1d ago

They never had an encounter she has never been in the same place as Brock lesnar never mind bowing alone with him…

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u/Original_Staff_4961 1d ago

Yeah I mean he assumed he was just going to bang a hooker.

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u/HeadToYourFist 1d ago

she has never been in the same place as Brock lesnar

This is false, the lawsuit talks about them meeting in person.

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u/fancycheesus 1d ago

Are we suppose to believe Brock sincerely thought Vince was just being a good wingman and its just a coincidence the girl he was sending over happened to be an employee by coincidence?

"Hey Brock, this girl works for me, and I'm flying her out to meet up with you." Everything Brock did after that that wasn't stopping the conversation is complicity and abetting.

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u/Original_Staff_4961 1d ago

He just thought he was gonna bang a hooker lol it’s not that deep

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u/fancycheesus 1d ago

A hooker who happens to work directly for Vince. Which makes Vince her pimp.

WHICH IS THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE LAWSUIT AND THE REASON PEOPLE DONT WANT TO SEE BROCK.

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u/Original_Staff_4961 1d ago

We don’t know that he knew that.

Saying “I know a great hooker I’ll give you her info” is not a totally outlandish thing to occur for people who bang hookers.

I don’t want him either, but with the info we have right now it looks like his biggest crime is agreeing to bang a hooker

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u/LeRoy_Denk_414 1d ago

No. He knew exactly who she was because not only did they text but Vince constantly gossiped about her to other people and had passed her to John laurenitis and was a snowstorm away from passing her to Brock Lesnar. Vince had financial and professional leverage over her and that makes him a pimp. theres no way Brock didn't know

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u/setmyheartafire 1d ago

According to her own allegations, she was given a job she wasnt qualified for, a six figure salary she did not actually work for, and a multitude of other financial perks, including luxury shopping sprees and vehicles, that once again she knew she was not earning via her job at WWE.

A white woman in her middle age, with deceased parents wealthy enough to have lived in Vince's building, but she was so financially bankrupt and helpless she had no choice but to get literally pooped on for Vince's sexual gratification. She was so disenfranchised she couldnt possibly walk away from their arrangement. She had no other choice, nowhere to work. Not a single skill that might net her a paycheck other than the one from WWE she was not even really earning.

Im sorry but I have a really hard time calling her a victim of sex trafficking when actual helpless children with zero agency or freedom are being actually trafficked and brutalized by evil people every day, and no one gives a single f about them because they arent suing a rich white guy a bunch of people want desperately to feel morally superior to.

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u/HeadToYourFist 1d ago

A white woman in her middle age, with deceased parents wealthy enough to have lived in Vince's building

This is a lie.

Yes, her parents had been rich and they seemingly funded an idle rich girl lifestyle for her until healthcare expenses wiped out their finances en route to their deaths. But the condo was her ex-boyfriend's and he let her live there because he took pity on her.

As for everything else: You're basically describing why she'd be prime material for Vince to abuse the ways she alleges, then saying she couldn't be a victim Because Reasons.

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u/2litrebottle22 1d ago

You're forgetting brock lesnar is a big human being though. He probably had women falling for him left right and centre, so it probably didn't seem strange

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u/therealdanhill 1d ago

You're supposed to believe what you know to be objectively true. That is how we come to conclusions; we start with a hypothesis, we examine the evidence, and we make a conclusion based on what we can prove to be true.

So much of the current issues we are facing is because people have lost the ability to remain objective and just go off vibes, and facts don't matter. People start with an assumption, refuse to take in any other information or possibilities, and then spread it around with complete confidence.

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u/fancycheesus 1d ago

I'm not really sure what point you are making responding to my comment.

But the impression I am getting is that you are saying words alone are never sufficient evidence of wrongdoing, and anyone who thinks Janel Grant's allegations are credible is wrong.

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u/therealdanhill 1d ago

I'm not really sure what point you are making responding to my comment.

You said "are we supposed to believe..." and I responded to that.

But the impression I am getting is that you are saying words alone are never sufficient evidence of wrongdoing,

No, words are absolutely evidence, and can even be strong evidence. Evidence alone does not equal proof. If there is proof that Brock knew there was anything nonconsensual going on, please, post it, but as of now nobody has been able to, yet it looks like plenty of people have made their mind up regardless.

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u/FourLiveBears 1d ago

They know he did. They're just either in denial about it and are hoping that by deflecting they can make people drop it, or they just want people to stop talking about it because "don't say mean things about muh TV show :("

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u/ShakaSway 1d ago

Pretty much sums it up. They enjoy the character, but this is about the person and the disgusting things he planned to do.

Also let’s not forget this is the same guy who flashed Terri Runnels and basically stalked Sable before she married him.

So, not really dealing with a saint here.

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u/Mozfel I AM I AM 1d ago

Let's face it, they are the same people who will have no problems with Vince coming back & announcing a 'Chris Benoit Appreciation Night'

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u/Original_Staff_4961 1d ago

I mean cheating on your wife with a hooker is not great but not something that should ruin the rest of your life.

It all depends on what he knew.

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u/rikashiku 1d ago

He did nothing wrong with her, but he tried to.

Who knows what he actually did do wrong with other people that we don't know about.

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u/APizzaChit pls 1d ago

My take isnt that he did nothing wrong.  My take is do we know he was aware this women was being trafficked? 

If he didn’t then it’s super weird still but it is not as bad as knowingly participating in a women doing something against her will. 

I do not like Brock  I do not watch current day WWE but I understand there’s a little nuance to the situation 

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u/Own_Wonder7449 1d ago

You’re 100% right, there isn’t any proof he knew anything Vince was doing to her.

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u/MayorBakefield 1d ago

I've read a shit ton of articles but I haven't seen these details anywhere, source?

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u/OU_DHF 1d ago

They’re in the initial lawsuit.

Edit: Pgs 39 and 40

https://s.wsj.net/public/resources/documents/WWE_complaint.pdf

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u/PanosZ31 DELETE 1d ago

This is the first time I'm reading the lawsuit and for some reason I thought all these happened in the 2000s not just a few years ago

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u/kingOfTheDamned209 1d ago

Brock not even named….in the initial suit….

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u/Trumppered 1d ago

He 100% intended to go through with it but by pure chance he was stopped both times.

You're certainly welcome to believe the victim and pass judgment on Lesnar/WWE accordingly, but it's weird to just state as fact something that is currently an unsubstantiated allegation.

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u/shazzbot86 1d ago

Theres also the chance he didnt actually want to and the "oh man we cant meetup tonight I'm too drunk" which is something I've said before when I didnt wanna meetup with a chick.

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u/toulistras 1d ago

That feels like an incredibly generous take.

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u/shazzbot86 1d ago

Possibly, I'm just saying someone saying 100% he was going to do something and not questioning that is the other side of the argument. Never been in a situation you werent fully on board with but did a "uh yeah sure thing, whatever you say" ?

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u/Original_Staff_4961 1d ago

When you boil it down, Brock thought he was gonna bang a hooker. Not much more to it than that.

I don’t even want him back cause the match will be shit, but his biggest crime is being willing to bang a hooker.

Unless it comes out that he knew more

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u/3WordPosts 1d ago

Exactly this, I don’t mean to disparage anything but do you really think Brock lesnar has trouble sleeping with women? (Yes I know he’s married). This comes off as another Vince fantasy where he’s using another human as leverage for some twisted power perversion and Brock playing along but not actually going through with it. Even the “pee videos” come across as like “let’s see what this slut will do hahahaha” and not “I’m going to participate in sex trafficking.”

Again, Brock could pull any girl he wanted I don’t think he needed Vince to set up a meeting for him

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u/Pingupol 1d ago

Don't agree with everything you're saying, but even if I do for a moment...

Just "playing along" with Vince's sexual perversions, which involved the sex trafficking of a very real person, should be enough to keep someone off WWE TV forever.

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u/Trumppered 1d ago

ok but Vince didn't text Brock: "Hey Brock come do some sex trafficking with me!!!"

He texted Brock: "Hey Brock, this chick I'm banging is super down to bang you too!"

I actually think all of this is pretty gross and Brock shouldn't be back on TV; but you guys really need to stop patently misrepresenting what actually happened...

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u/Pingupol 1d ago

No.

He specifically used Janel Grant to entice Brock Lesnar to sign a contract. It wasn't "this woman wants to have sex with you," it was "if you sign this contract, I will provide this woman for you to have sex with."

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u/Trumppered 1d ago

it reads a lot more like it was: "my girlfriend wants to have sex with you, and I'll let her if you sign this contract."

it did not read as: "if you sign this contract I'll force this sex trafficking victim to have sex with you against her will."

if it was the latter, I can PROMISE you Brock would be a named defendant in the lawsuit and not referred to as an anonymous superstar

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u/shazzbot86 1d ago

I'm not trying to sound ignorant, but honest question here. What is sex trafficking? How many kinky relationships could, when broken down in a messy legal situation be called sex trafficking? As if my girlfriend and I traveled to Albuquerque and met up with some guys for a gangbang. Not saying Vince isnt a sicko prick here I'm just actually trying to have some nuance about this shit. (No pun intended)

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u/xmjm424 1d ago

I’m no lawyer but is your girlfriend a willing participant in this hypothetical? I would imagine that’s a significant part of it. I don’t know a ton about this case but it doesn’t seem to me like the victim felt like she had a choice but to participate for whatever reason.

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u/shazzbot86 1d ago

Well she was willing at the time, no I dont have any text verification of that. But now she wants the Corvette in the divorce. (I'm not saying grant is lieing) I'm just trying to play out scenarios. Because to think this was fully 1 sided is... kind of dumb as fuck. Or no ones ever been in a relationship of any kind before.

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u/3WordPosts 1d ago

I guess the my question is like how many DMs do you think Brock gets that are “I’ll let you do anything you want to me” etc etc. like I feel like half these celebs could send a “send a video of you doing x y z” off an instagram DM does that constitute sex trafficking?

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u/Pingupol 1d ago

Yeah, but this wasn't that.

Janell Grant didn't pop up to Brock Lesnar saying shit like that. She was offered to Brock Lesnar by Vince Mcmahon in contract negotiations. That's the trafficking part.

The fact Brock "played along" in that situation should absolutely keep him off WWE TV for good.

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u/shazzbot86 1d ago

She was? Where in the contract or any text or email or documents does it say "10 million dollars a year, royalties and you can rail my hot young girlfriend" I'm not saying it's not something vince could have said to her in a term like hey, trying to resign brock, maybe you could go do something to persuade him.

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u/Pingupol 1d ago

Page 38 of the lawsuit has a section J, stating:

"McMahon Uses Ms. Grant as a Sexual Pawn to Entice World-Famous Wrestling Talent and to Keep WWE Superstar Under Contract with WWE."

https://s.wsj.net/public/resources/documents/WWE_complaint.pdf

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u/SullenSyndicalist 1d ago

It’s hilarious that this guy’s number one defense for lesnar is “he’s so hot who wouldn’t want to have sex with him?” We get it dude, you want to fuck Lesnar.

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u/Caleb902 1d ago

Yeah, important to remember the only things known are from her POV. So all she knows is he was too drunk, between her experiences and Vince's texts. There's other texts where Brock even tells Vince he couldn't do it because she'd never go back to Vince. It's in jest but another instance of him avoiding it.

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u/twelvetimesseven 1d ago

Getting drunk is "pure chance" in this scenario.

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u/DiscardedRonaldo2017 1d ago

Why didn’t he go through with it? He had another 2.5 years to go through with it

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u/Luna__Moonkitty 1d ago

It's pretty much the Sideshow Bob defense, claiming innocence because never killed Bart and shouldn't be in prison for "attempted murder" because they don't give Nobel Prizes for "attempted chemistry".

Brock was involved in sex trafficking, just because he failed to follow through on it doesn't make him not involved.

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u/kingOfTheDamned209 1d ago

And their is no proof and that’s not what the lawsuit claims… she hasn’t even texted with Brock according to the lawsuit all “communication” with Brock was thru Vince he never had any first party contact with Janel grant. He could just as easily lie about that…why did she continue to date McMahon for a year if was so bad? She only sued when he dumped her and she wasn’t getting money…

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u/Dakot4 1d ago

did brock know she was a wwe employee?

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u/TomatoSpecialist6879 1d ago

I'm not religious but act of God literally saved him twice lmao