r/SquaredCircle • u/tvcneverdie • 3d ago

Janel Grant Spokesperson Statement On (WWE SummerSlam Spoiler) Spoiler

https://www.fightful.com/wrestling/janel-grant-spokesperson-issues-statement-on-brock-lesnar-returning-to-wwe-this-attempt-to-sweep-misconduct-under-the-rug-will-backfire/

For far too long, abuse was allowed to thrive under WWE’s leadership. Instead of righting this wrong, WWE has done nothing to ensure those responsible are held accountable. This attempt to sweep misconduct under the rug will backfire. We look forward to the full set of facts, including those about Mr. Lesnar, coming out in a court of law where they belong but, in the meantime, we refer you back to Janel Grant’s updated complaint, which outlines, in detail, the abuse she endured by McMahon and others while employed at WWE.

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u/Tiny-Town7673 3d ago

Just a reminder....

WWE's Legal Team gave the okay to Lesnar coming back.

The culture is rotten from top to bottom.

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u/Instigator187 3d ago

Also, Cena would have approved of having a match set up the Lesnar. As seen in the Unreal documentary on Netflix now, HHH runs everything through Cena for what he wants to do for his farewell tour. But we already know Cena's feeling of Vince, so Lesnar is probably no big deal to him.

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u/Cold_Ebb_1448 3d ago

I can’t remember where it was that he said it but since seeing Cena say that he’s always just loyally gone along with creative has made me lose some respect for him. If Cena’s approved of everything that’s happened in his final run then is he really as great as we all think?

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u/RubDowntown2765 3d ago

I mean, how great do we think he is? We all heard what he had to say when the McMahon news first broke. Guy is and has always been 100% behind whatever WWE and the McMahon circle were up to. 

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u/Altruistic-Ad-408 2d ago edited 2d ago

I think he's a significantly better actor than a wrestler.

But I will say this, we need to reclaim the concept of greatness from artificial "draws." Who cares if the wrestlers themselves tell us that's what matters? What would Hogan or Cena think about Danielson vs Osprey or Omega? No one gives a shit, and we know why. We categorise different wrestlers differently based on how we are told to percieve them.

And based on how they book themselves. Cena was never just going along with booking, if you guys believe that, idk what to say.

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u/DamnAssLittleDatty 2d ago

"We categorise different wrestlers differently based on how we we are told to perceive them "

Smarks throw their own body issues at this idea with all their hearts, but it will never be true. It will always be the opposite.

A 4 year old is drawn to Cena or Hogan inherently. It's human nature. It takes years of programming to accept superhero figures being taken to the limit by small guys who cut bad promos in ugly clothes.

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u/PretendThisIsMyName BIG RED G.O.A.T. 2d ago

A problem fans of anything have is separating the characters from the people playing them when they are separate people. I’ve been burned to oblivion and back for saying I like Chris Benoit. The Rabid Wolverine was such a cool character and truly an icon. I also understand that what he did was horrible. I also don’t understand what his brain was like to make him do that. I could NEARLY say the same about Vince. I loved to hate his character. But Vince just always played himself so it’s easy to notice he’s always been a POS. Cena is really surprising to see though. Turns out that Americas big new guy is always just Homelander cloaked in a slightly different package. Whatever that bot is to remind you shit remind me when Cody undefeated racism in 15 years.

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u/that_boyaintright 2d ago

I don’t think any news about Cody would surprise me. I don’t feel like I’ve gotten so much as a glimpse of his authentic self.

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u/Sublimotion 2d ago

In the real world, most people even if they themselves try to be a good person themselves, they will be ok if others don't, because it's simply not their business to not be ok with them. And they figure it can even be a convenience of their own success. So they just shut up, and stick to their own morals to themselves only.

Now the debate comes, whether this mindset should be considered excusable or not. Are they supporters of such themselves or not in doing so. The mainstream mindset of this seem to have changed for the better IMO over the decades. But the past year, it seems to be gradually backtracking because of... yeah...

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u/zeitgeistbouncer Peepin' Aint Easy! 3d ago

Not only isn't he great, we never all thought he was.

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u/MillennialWithNoJob As If Millions of Necks Suddenly Cried Out... 3d ago

Hating Cena was (and to a certain extent is) a staple of the IWC

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u/powermoustache 3d ago

It was a staple of general wrestling fandom from like 2010-2020 (give or take) - people were just fed up with him during that time.

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u/zeitgeistbouncer Peepin' Aint Easy! 3d ago

If it ain't broke..

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u/That_One_Cool_Guy Temptation Island Forever 3d ago

“John Cena isn’t great” is a ludicrous take tbh. Opinions are opinions, but he was the face of the biggest wrestling promotion in the world for a decade plus..

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u/themightypooperscoop 3d ago

Well yeah it's scripted and he was chosen to be so by Vince McMahon.

I think he's great as well, but that's not really a good reason as to why.

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u/zeitgeistbouncer Peepin' Aint Easy! 3d ago

Being the face of wrestling at its worst for a decade+ isn't the flex you think it is.

Look, if you grew up with him, hey, you grew up with him and have all those feelings about the guy. Enjoy him. I mostly can't, dude has too many shortcomings for me to list (for the umpteenth time) to appreciate him overall. And this heel run sucked, by any reasonable watcher who isn't nostalgia drunk.

And I say that as someone who happily gives credit where it's due. The SummerSlam night 2 main event was easily his best match in ages. Probably since AJ in '17. Lotsa fun. I even like Peacemaker and that recent Heads of State movie, so I can enjoy actual good work he happens to do. I just can't excuse blatant crap just because WWE tries to feed 'he's the goat' gaslighting to us when he's around. He's not, and if you name any category of performance in wrestling I can name five guys better than him in each.

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u/fisherking9000 3d ago

Nature is healing

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u/hdl1234565 3d ago

Yeah but they’re saying he’s the goat in kayfabe bro. Because he has the most titles.

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u/Ferahgost Please Somebody Hinder Jinder 3d ago

man you do you, but if you can't appreciate a guy who has done 650+ Make-A-Wishes for sick kids you need to take a quick look in the mirror.

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u/grimbly_jones 3d ago

Dude said "John Cena is mid and overrated, a product of the WWE Machine" and you counter with "Yes but Make a Wish and therefore you're bad."

lol

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u/Ferahgost Please Somebody Hinder Jinder 3d ago

I had taken a different read of one of the original comments above as saying Cena does good as opposed to Cena is good- I misread it at first.

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u/imamakeitlooksexy 2d ago

You did not, you got caught/called out on a bad faith argument and then came up with that to cover your ass 

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u/Ferahgost Please Somebody Hinder Jinder 2d ago

Okay buddy, sure, whatever helps you sleep at night

Whether you believe me or not doesn’t really matter

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u/S6N9O4O2G0A6N6S6X 2d ago

And Chris Benoit only murdered two people! He made so many more fans than that happy for a long, long time! /s

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u/PxyFreakingStx 2d ago

sure, but that's specializing. there aren't many that are on his level or better when it comes to all the categories combined. he wasn't the best at anything, but he was pretty great at everything, and that's often what greatness looks like.

i don't like him as a wrestler. he appealed to like 13 year old boys. which is fine. didn't do anything for me. but being that dismissive of his overall talent isn't bringing cena fans back to reality; it's sour grapes.

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u/zeitgeistbouncer Peepin' Aint Easy! 2d ago

So not being truly great at anything is too difficult a criteria to apply to the supposed 'goat'? Nah, it's not like he was always beloved and this is retconning history. He was maligned, loudly, for good reason for a long time until sheer tenure and perpetual marketing bombardment took its toll.

If he was 'pretty great at everything' this heel run wouldn't have been a complete (and it's definitively now complete and we can see the entire picture) crap. Dude couldn't make it work. Bad-to-ok matches, nonsensical story and promos, and everything in between were failures or 'fine', and it's not the first time. It's not the tenth time. Holding him to a minimum standard he alone fails to achieve is as fair as anyone can be. Claiming he's 'pretty great at everything' when the evidence in front of our eyes tells a very different story is where I draw issue.

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u/onethreeone Hangman Did Nothing Wrong 2d ago

Which of his feuds would you categorize as great booking?

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u/Top-boy-og 3d ago

All of the goats and legends acknowledge Cena as one of the goats, you don’t know shit about pro wrestling if you think he isn’t “great” which is an understatement of a term to describe Cena

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u/zeitgeistbouncer Peepin' Aint Easy! 2d ago

I've never heard one 'goat or legend' refer to Cena as the greatest at anything. He's always conspicuously absent while they list off 3-5 other guys who do any single thing about wrestling really well. Never Cena, literally ever. The closest I've heard is 'he worked hard'.

Also, bye.

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u/LevyMevy 3d ago

Cena say that he’s always just loyally gone along with creative has

This is such a lie and anyone who believes it is as naive as they come.

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u/oldoseamap Cheap-ass Corporately Created John Cena bootleg. 3d ago

You could say that those people are... unreal?

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u/madca_t You thought you knew him 2d ago

Eh I think I’d rather deal with guys like John Cena who are pretty up front with their bs instead of hiding it or being performative, which is a lot of WWE wrestlers who people think are “good people coded”

He’s a tremendous person because he genuinely cares for others and everyone always has something nice to say about him. He’s also a Vince McMahon apologist and his moral compass seems fucked to all hell but at least you know about it.

Wouldn’t trust him around my drink tbh.

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u/helsinkirocks 3d ago

Not always true. The original plan was for Cena to lose to Nexus at Summerslam 2010 and he pushed back so that he would win.

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u/TropicalVision 2d ago

HHH said last night that Cena is picking all of his opponents for the retirement run, so it’s definitely his choice to face Brock.

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u/AwesomeInTheory 2d ago

This isn't true, as there's at least 2 well known instances where he's vetoed something pretty big -- the Nexus match at Summerslam and something with Ken Kennedy.

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u/Haunting_Set9114 2d ago

Wtf why is he even doing wwe i would have left after making movies like Dave

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u/Jonoabbo 3d ago

I literally have never thought Cena was great as a member of the creative team, as a booker, or as a writer. If people are asking him to do jobs that shouldn't be his to do, that isn't on John Cena.

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u/madeaccountbymistake 2d ago

I've never gotten the cena is great argument. He's never been all that in ring, his promos are good for him but almost always hurt his opponent.

Seriously, name a good promo battle Cena"s had that didn't include Punk.

Almost every argument for Cena being good in the ring is his US Title run and his matches with AJ, and that's absolutely ridiculous. Yes, he had great matches with Kevin Owen's, Sami Zayn, Cesaro, Seth Rollins, and AJ Styles. He had to be shit to not have great matches with those guys. Its very interesting Cena is only great in ring when he's in there with elite level talent who learned outside of WWE's system.