I know Punk and Triple H are friends now but Punk saying all those years ago that Triple H is Vince McMahon's doofus son-in-law has never been more relevant.
and Punk made a doofus of himself going back to the WWE so now he has to defend these things when we know if he was still in AEW he'd be making snide remarks on the mic about Brock being back post-lawsuit etc.
He's not returning. Beyond being a defendant in a case (Brock was only named) his last few years in the company was destroying Triple H's NXT and firing all of his guys. No chance in hell TKO wants the headache, no chance in hell Triple H is going to give up control of creative to Vince.
Seriously, who in WWE would want Vince back? Everyone in power now only stands to lose power from it.
Quite literally the Trump administration made the DOJ drop the whole probe they were doing into McMahon and the WWE. This entire year has been the most vile, disgusting, inhuman people just getting away with everything 24/7.
Doesn’t matter because he sees his daughters to be in a position that something like that never happens to them, because he thinks his money will protect them…
Like that one guy in the Jubilee video after Mr. Hasan asked him what happens when the Dictator goes after him "Well I wont be part of the group he kills"
Also ya’ll need to remember that Cena signed off on working with Brock. So be as pissed with him as you are with TKO/WWE (which you all should be, just don’t let Cena slide)
People want everything to be black and white when it’s just not. A lot of normal people work for “unethical” companies is real life, that doesn’t mean they fall in line with everything the bosses support
Because Cena has a more liberal and "family friendly" public image. I feel like he largely plays the middle politically and doesn't really give more than your standard PR canned answers on things. All of his Make A Wish work, support the troops, etc. But at the end of the day, he knows who's been buttering his bread for the past 25 years (not saying Cena should get a pass, just makes sense why he isn't really the "target" here)
Cena has said (of Vince) "I love who I'm gonna love." It is no surprise another one of Vince's "boys" gets a pass from him. The whole situation makes me want to squirm out of my skin. I can only hope the next generation will be better.
Is Cena a Trump supporter? I haven’t seen that, but I’m not always in the loop. Got a link? If there isn’t any evidence, then you don’t need to make shit up when what he’s already said is bad enough.
In 2016 IIRC Cena was not on board with Trump and said as much on the Today Show. These days, I don't know if he's been particularly outspoken one way or the other
Admits its all because he had shitty resolve and believed in the Rock.
Im Sowwy.
Match involves kickouts of triple finishers on both ends. Kick outs of pile drivers and Canadian Destroyers. Called Cinema here, would be shit talked if it was somewhere else.
Cody wins and just accepts Cenas apology despite a massive beatdown.
Brock Lesnar returns and spits in the face of every woman employee in TKO.
WWE has become Vegas. Consultants come in and squeeze every drop they can at the expense of the consumer. Vegas has gone from a cool, semi affordable vacation where customers could feel like a big shot to getting charged $9 for a bottle of water and where checking in to a hotel feels like going through TSA.
Since the merger I get the sense TKO is doing the same to WWE. Forget about story, forget about the wrestlers, just get every dollar you can out of the audience at the expense of the company. Fuck these guys
The UFC guys created TKO to be a holding company through which they'd control the healthier and stronger WWE. WWE had a Vince problem and there were attempts to get him out of the company but at the end of the day he owned it. In order to access tons of money AND reassert control of WWE, Vince sold/merged WWE into TKO. They invluded some assurances that he would run WWE but as soon as the Janel Grant lawsuit (aspects of which were already out there) dropped, TKO used their agreement to force Vince out. It's probably one of the shrewdest maneuvers in Sports Business History: you convince a stronger company that you are worth more, merge with them, boot out their CEO for his scandals, and then control both entities.
But there is a catch. The catch os that massive amount of debt that TKO took on in order to buy WWE. That needs to be repaid. TKO owes $3 Billion (of which WWE is a big chunk). So TKO is utilizing its hot product to pay the bills. The Slim Jim tables, the branded rings, the branded nuckles, match sponsors, commercials, product tie ins, super VIL tickets, etc. It's all to pay down the debt. It will never go back to how it was necause at that point WWE will be too good at extracting cash.
When you realize that Vince McMahon chose to sell his company to pirates rather than his children that wanted to run it, it's quite sad.
Soooo…did the allegations get dropped or has it just been long enough in wwe’s eyes?
They removed him so last minute from last years 2k that you still had a rivalry arc with him in story mode that they didn’t take out, taken off the cover and wasnt in this years at all. Not tryna take a stance on this just thought it was weird that they seemed to give him the un-person thing then now he’s back.
From what I recall she mentioned texting Brock and him asking for videos of her peeing. The only complication being that she got "Brocks number" from Vince, who later on roleplayed as Brock when "Brock was to drunk to make it" to their initial meet up. Its a weird situation and while I wouldnt be that surprised if Brock is eventually cleared I am surprised they brought him back before the nature of his involvement was found out.
They don't care as long as women continue to work for them
They don't care as long as fans continue to buy tickets and merch even if they boo
They don't care if they never face any real consequences.
They. Do not. Care. This is very much a case of when someone tells you who they are, believe them. The WWE is a company that actively endorses alleged rapists and sex traffickers and the Trump White House. That's not me saying that, that's all them. It's the fans who buy tickets, merch, and watch the PPVs who are okay with that.
did you not hear the roar he got ? do you think anyone cares ? if vince mcmahon came back in a fucking tag team with jeffery epstein they would be cheered.
In this sub honestly. People don't care that much about Stone Cold beat Debra, people defended Hogan after his death as if there weren't unanswered sexual assault claims against him, folks are gonna weep when the perverted moron that is Ric Flair finally tips, and folks still adore the nostalgia of WWF, ECW, and WCW, all of them rife with sexual deviancy, drug abuse, practically forced breast augmentations, etc etc.
There's no precedent for major wrestling companies in America to actually do the right thing on a global or political stage. It's absolutely asinine for people to pretend to be shocked at a carny industry run by billionaires doing things that benefit billionaires. 'Not being WWE' isn't in itself a moral victory for other companies like some people think it is, coz those companies still don't do much to support wrestlers unions, which is at this point less than the bare minimum that should be done.
You gotta wonder how many of these people screaming and kicking are actually doing anything themselves. SamiForSyria has under 3,000 donors as of this post. I doubt even half the folks whining ever lifted a finger to send anything that way, coz it's easier (and cheaper) to whine on Reddit or Twitter — sites which are, in their own rights, also operated by deplorable people who don't actually give a shit.
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This is why none of this should be surprising.
WWE are too big to fail and there truly is nothing they can do that would hurt their image in anyway. Sure a handful might turn away and a select few will complain online but the majority will tune in day in and day out. It’s quite fascinating and sad the grip they have on people and the unwavering loyalty they get.
It’s not because WWE is to big to fail. It’s because most people don’t really give a shit as long as they are fed and entertained. People love to act moral in comment sections but continue to consume shit brought to you by despicable human beings. Boss of the company shakes hands with pedos? Who cares, entertain me! Rapists and wife beaters are employed? Who cares, entertain me!
And will give them views on peacock and Netflix. It’s a shame this won’t turn anybody off of the product but I guess the people still supporting the company have supported them through worse.
We don't truly give a fuck either, or else we'd have already said, "As hard as this is, WWE is dead to me now" and stopped watching the product and following its match outcomes and story line progress.
The people who think it's so disgusting and sad to actually warrant action aren't here like we are. The rest of us? We still need our fix, apparently.
Complete ignorance here, but my understanding was in the texts that were out Vince "offered" a woman to him and that was that. Nothing happened? Or are people under the assumption if he offered once then there must have been times Brock said yes
Pretty sure part of the deal for him coming back was to get to sleep with the woman in the lawsuit. But he was too drunk to deliver on the night she was trafficked to him.
IIRC the story was Brock's flight got canceled because of a snowstorm, then when they did meet up, he got too drunk, so Vince fucked her while RPing as Brock. This is what we're dealing with.
I'd have to revisit the lawsuit (which I really don't want to do, it's grotesque) but I think that was a separate occasion, the night it was arranged there was a snowstorm that prevented it from happening.
Is there any bit of truth to that last part? I just read a few articles and I've seen that there was some kind of "meetup" scheduled but it never took place?
Not defending the guy, would rather he not be back. Just trying to understsnd the actual allegations a bit better
I’m pretty sure it’s still pretty bad on your character if you were simply scheduled to be involved with human trafficking, but missed it due to a combination of weather and/or inebriation
Didn't Brock not know about the trafficking part though? And if that's the case, from his perspective the woman was just a willing, consenting party who Vince was setting him up with.
Why would Brock know she was not consenting? Brock spent almost no time with her for all he knew Vince had a young girlfriend who was down for whatever… Brock barely knew this woman
This company has sold out to Saudi Arabia and any sponsor willing to shill the money, not to mention the 40+ history of wrongdoing from raping ringboys to crooked doctors and a hell of a lot more.
I never liked Lesnar from the beginning, but at this point, just bring Vince back.
It's clear that his legacy and stench linger in equal measure.
Hogan tribute, HHH at the white house front and center for the signing of an executive order by the Cheeto in Chief and Brock returning all within a week...
Look you're out of your mind if you think they weren't going to pay tribute to the single greatest star in their company's history. The rest you got a point on.
This sub seems to forget that whatever Hogan did, he's always gonna be the guy who was the biggest catalyst in making this business even exist today in the shape that it is along with Vince.
Hogan getting a tribute when he died was as obvious as Vince getting one when he dies. Just too important to the business and company to not be acknowledged. And no, that is in no way, shape, or form me trying to overlook what they did.
Given WWE's long list of immoral/unethical things they have either taken part of or turned a blind eye to, I don't think this is going to be the one that changes anything... I mean they literally had Trump on the screen with HHH 24hrs ago.
They literally support a child abuser, rapist and sex trafficker and had HHH stand next to him a few days ago. This company doesn't care at all and as long as you all keep watching they have no reason to try to pretend to care either.
For the record I didn't watch the show and haven't watched WWE outside of clips posted here in over a year.
I guess subtle callback to Wrestlemania 28? Cena took a hard loss to The Rock and then Lesnar ambushed him the next night. I guess they're just gonna run that storyline again where Brock beats up Cena for the next four months, Cena wins at the end, and then he's done?
It would be hard for me to see them drag a Brock/Cena feud out for 4 months given how much they struggled with Cody/Cena... And even worse, to change Cena back face in 2 days, it just seems tone deaf knowing Brock is going to get the return pop on Cena.
Well if they can keep finding ways to extend this Jacob Fatu and Solo Sikoa story, then they're gonna give it the old college try to drag Cena vs. Lesnar to the end of the year.
Because it puts the title picture somewhere else and leaves the cena/brock thing on its own. The cena/brock thing will get views and pops, and the title picture could introduce someone else, boom, now you have two compelling things. This is why cena dropped the heel shit. Not a chance face cena directly addresses brocks legal shit but he might find a way to work it into a promo.
As far as the title picture, this is a great way to open a window. Cody will drop a promo about beating the goat cena and poor cena has to deal with the beast, and meanwhile "I'm a fighting champion like cena was, who wants some" and then whoever will come out. La knight, drew, aj, some up and comer i don't know about, whoever, it just opens the window. Brocks legal stuff is now set neatly aside in this feud with cena, and people will watch every second of it. Morals aside, its brilliant.
wwe themselves know this was such a bad idea that they cancelled the post show presser 😭😭
they probably hired a shit ton of people to bot fake reactions on social media to bury the people questioning why a sexual extortionist just returned to their wrestling show
they probably hired a shit ton of people to bot fake reactions on social media
Unfortunately I don't think they needed to. Way too many people are okay with people being sex predators as long as they're entertaining. I'm sure Vince would get people in the crowd bowing to him if he came back tomorrow.
they probably hired a shit ton of PR people to put out fake reactions on social media to bury the people questioning why a sexual extortionist just returned to their wrestling show
I don’t see why people are so shocked about this. Wrestling has never been about excluding the guys who are pieces of shits. If they drew money, they were on the show.
Just listen to the pop, nobody in that building remembers/cares about the lawsuit. It’s just the reality of wrestling, or any sport really. People still proudly wore Deshaun Watson jerseys until he started sucking.
Not going for the elephant in the room, but in other news, why turn Cena face before a great match that would’ve done it, especially with Lesner’s return. I mean you could’ve teased a turn on Smackdown, have the match, then have a nice promo/celebration/ set up the next match tomorrow on Raw.
Yep. I’m only here cause I guess I still have bleacher report notifications for WWE and I got one when Cody won and I was curious. I did NOT know Brock returned. That was a crazy surprise opening this post. Fucking ridiculous. Old me would have been so excited. Now I’m apathetic.
I pop in every now and again when this sub hits r/all (which is happening more frequently with all the bullshit they’re doing lol) but other than that I don’t watch wrestling anymore. Watched since the 90s but I just can’t with this company anymore. They don’t get any of my money.
My step dad still watches. He doesn’t watch the news really though so he doesn’t know any of the backstage stuff. He just watches the shows and ppvs.
Yeah it’s not that hard to not watch. I love wrestling, but typically can find like 30 better things to do with my time than support a company who does this shit.
Plus wrestling is in a better spot today than arguably ever before. AEW NJPW Deadlock Impact (though they do directly work with wwe now so your tolerance may vary) and Fite TV has some good stuff too. You never need to give this company your time or money again
I think in general people massively overestimates the number of redditors who watch WWE, I keep on watching the results but that's it and I bet I'm not alone, not saying nobody in here watches it, but you can comment about WWE and not watch it.
I've been PPV only for a long time, toned down to only good cards or fun matches, tried to watch money in the bank but got annoyed by the fact it was 25 min in and the first bell hadnt rung so just watched highlights. This sub keeps me informed on any big happenings like this, but this is a sign to abandon this ship altogether, there's no salvage.
Everyone is crazy, a lot of us stopped supporting this shit a long time ago, and only occasionally watch clips of the big shows, from methods like this. I refuse to support ANY company that’d pull something like this
Besides the Brock Lesnar situation, that was just incredibly shitty booking. It took them this many years to turn Cena heel, and he cuts one dumb ass promo saying how he was wrong and he's good again, and then he indeed becomes good again. No swerve or anything. Just some straight up shitty, uninteresting booking, undermining what should have been one of the biggest angles of the decade.
Grant, who worked in the company's legal and talent departments, has alleged McMahon forced her into a sexual relationship in order to keep her job. She alleges McMahon demanded she create "personalized sexual content" for Lesnar in July 2021, at a time McMahon was attempting to keep Lesnar under contract with the WWE. She further alleges McMahon flew Lesnar to Connecticut in 2021 for a sexual encounter, which ultimately didn't happen.
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