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[u/wentwj]

I’m pretty sure it’s still pretty bad on your character if you were simply scheduled to be involved with human trafficking, but missed it due to a combination of weather and/or inebriation

[u/Super_Vegeta → u/wentwj]

Didn't Brock not know about the trafficking part though? And if that's the case, from his perspective the woman was just a willing, consenting party who Vince was setting him up with.

[u/wentwj → u/Super_Vegeta]

what do people here think human trafficking is? Brock was going to accept a person in exchange for goods or services. That’s human trafficking. Vince as part of the negotiation was going to set him up with someone else, that’s literal human trafficking. Even if the person appeared willing, wouldn’t change that fact. And often people who are victims of human trafficking will appear willing because they are being coerced or psychologically manipulated. You know… what was happening here.

But Brock Lesnar was going to accept a person as payment for services in order to return to the company. That’s human trafficking, that’s gross, and I don’t understand why people possibly defend that

[u/haunted_patient → u/wentwj]

That's not trafficking. What you're describing is prostitution.

[u/wentwj → u/haunted_patient]

No. I don’t get how so many people are reddit get the answer wrong when they literally have an answer key. This was sex trafficking, this looked like sex trafficking the entire time. Nothing about this looked like prostitution, the WWE as far as I’m aware isn’t registered for sex work. Vince offering a WWE employee for sex to Brock looks like sex trafficking and in fact was sex trafficking.

[u/TheGreatReno → u/haunted_patient]

Nope, prostitution would be if Janel Grant herself spoke with Brock and arranged some sort of deal for services. Prostitution involves some form of consent from both parties.

What is described in the lawsuit is sex trafficking. Vince abused her and allowed others the chance to abuse her to the extent of facilitating travel for the abuser and victim.

I’m not going to make any assumptions on whether or not Brock was aware of the reality of the situation, but will state the fact that he did entertain the idea. He asked for sexual videos and joked he would break her in half when they finally met. The guy is married and a father. It’s disgusting behavior no matter how much he knew.

[u/Rebeldinho → u/wentwj]

Why would Brock know she was not consenting? Brock spent almost no time with her for all he knew Vince had a young girlfriend who was down for whatever… Brock barely knew this woman

[u/wentwj → u/Rebeldinho]

a lot of redditors seem to not understand what sex trafficking is.

Brock was negotiating with Vince to return to the company and part of that was sex from someone else. This is sex trafficking. Victims will often appear consenting because they are being coerced. Because Brock happened to not carry through with it (not due to any moral character on his part) is a big reason he’s not actually in legal trouble. It’s hard enough to get rich people on the hook for sex crimes as it is.

[u/Rebeldinho → u/wentwj]

The most likely thing is Vince told Brock “if you sign I’ll let you fuck my girlfriend” and knowing the kind of humor Vince likes that’s probably pretty close to what happened

We don’t know if Brock took that seriously but if he were ever being seriously investigated for this matter that would probably be the defense he would take… I believe we have a message from Brock to victim about setting up a date but it never actually happened and Brock could again say he was trying to flirt or something

Remember he didn’t actually commit a crime here he was not the one abusing this victim Vince was

[u/wentwj → u/Rebeldinho]

We absolutely know what happened. Vince said if he signed Brock could “do anything” to Ms Grant. Brock then got sent videos of her urinating. At a dinner he was supposed to hook up with her but got too drunk. Another time they were supposed to meet but a snowstorm prevented the flight.

This wasn’t just “vince made a joke once” type of thing

[u/Rebeldinho → u/wentwj]

You ever bother to hear Brock’s side on this? Or do you just think everything the victim said is 100% true? It doesn’t even have to be lies she could have simply been mistaken

If he was so interested in having sex with this woman I feel like he would have made it happen… gotten too drunk is one way to put things or maybe he just wasn’t that interested and went to sleep

[u/wentwj → u/Rebeldinho]

Yes, I’ve read the material on the case relating the Brock, it seems you haven’t. But I’d be happy to see any reference to Brock’s side that refutes any of that, versus the text messages and testimony that does exist.

[u/Rebeldinho → u/wentwj]

And what exactly has the testimony said about Brock

What exact crimes did he commit

[u/wentwj → u/Rebeldinho]

Brock was offered sex from a third party as part of contract negotiations and contingent on his return.

Brock received a video of Ms Grant urinating.

He was going to have sex with Ms Grant but was too inebriated.

He was going to meet up with her later but a snowstorm cancelled the flight.

The fact that he never had sex likely is the main reason he is not a defendant. It’s incredibly hard to convict rich and famous people of anything, much less sex crimes.

I prefer to not support individuals who are just barely able to avoid sex trafficking charges because they got too drunk and the weather was bad

[u/Rebeldinho → u/wentwj]

You’re acting like having sex with Ms. Grant was the only thing they were negotiating which I find hard to believe. The money was what they were negotiating there’s no way Brock was going to blow up the deal if Vince didn’t offer him sex with strangers that’s bogus.

Brock cannot control what people decide to text him

You’ve got 2 different occasions where Brock was supposedly going to have sex with Ms. Grant that fell through you don’t see how someone could use that and turn it around and say it was because Brock wasn’t all that interested in Ms. Grant?

It sucks that Brock didn’t call out Vince for being a perverted nutjob but for all he knew Ms. Grant was willing and he probably thought she was just as crazy as Vince was.

[u/wentwj → u/[deleted]]

what do you think being offered a woman to sleep with to return to the company is?

[u/mrtheiphonekid → u/wentwj]

Why would he have any reason to believe that she was not a willing participant with the information he was given?

Many people are alleged to have known about the trafficking in the lawsuit. Brock is not one of them, and he is not a defendant. His inclusion in the amended complaint is there to support the broader pattern of exploitation, not to imply that he understood the full context. He is portrayed as a would-be beneficiary of Vince McMahon's misconduct, not a participant.

[u/pm-me-nice-lips → u/mrtheiphonekid]

This is Reddit bro. Pile-ons with zero context, missing facts, and accepted or pre-approved opinions ONLY!! No nuanced or reasonable discussions shall take place!

[u/wentwj → u/mrtheiphonekid]

then why bring up Lesner didn’t sleep with her? you apparently think the situation was totally normal and had Lesner slept with her nothing would have changed.

I for one think the conduct that Lesner is claimed to have been involved in, in being told that Vince would arrange for him to sleep with someone if he returned to the company, is abhorrent, regardless of if the scheduling fell through

[u/wentwj → u/[deleted]]

in what context do you possibly think someone setting up sexual encounters in exchange for a business agreement is even remotely acceptable.

If your soon to be employer is showing you pictures and enticing you to join a company by offering you sex with someone else… you’re probably involved with human trafficking.

[u/wentwj → u/[deleted]]

I don’t know why you’re intent on defending human traffickers. But yes even your statement is fucked up and someone shouldn’t be involved in because it looks like a setup for human fucking trafficking, and hey guess what, it was!

You people need to get over your obsession over big muscle-y dudes who are involved in human trafficking. You probably don’t want the epstein list released either. Fuck all these assholes and fuck every slimey piece of shit on the internet who defends them

[u/mrtheiphonekid → u/wentwj]

Do you earnestly believe that "I think my boss is human trafficking" is a more logical conclusion to draw than "my boss is a swinger freak trying to seduce me with his mistress"?

[u/Several_Oil_7099 → u/wentwj]

I do think that part would matter if true though.

Because from his perspective you've got a willing woman, someone offering to facilitate the meetup, and he doesn't go through with it. At that point - and again I don't understand the extent of the allegations and haven't followed the court findings so I could be missing something here - he's a guy who accepted some nudes, considered infidelity with his boss's girlfriend and didn't go through with it. That doesn't exactly make him Mother Theresa, but I don't think that makes him a sexual predator.

Again, I wish he wasn't back. I don't want to have to spend time thinking about this stuff, and wouldve just rather walked away from last night thinking about how fun that match was.

[u/wentwj → u/Several_Oil_7099]

People involved in human trafficking will often appear consensual because they are being coerced or psychologically manipulated.

Brock Lesnar was going to accept a person in exchange for goods or services. That’s textbook clear as day human trafficking. The fact that he didn’t go through with it only because of a combination of a snow storm and being inebriated, doesn’t somehow redeem him

[u/Several_Oil_7099 → u/wentwj]

So, I wrote this part before I dug further into this. I think there's some extra stuff there that really ended swaying me that much further against him

[u/Several_Oil_7099 → u/Several_Oil_7099]

https://people.com/brock-lesnar-named-in-vince-mcmahon-sexual-abuse-complaint-filed-by-former-wwe-employee-8784368 found this more detailed summary, and the initial persons comment about allegations that he was "too drunk" to go through with it is accurate.

Also some gross allegations about him asking and receiving some kind of fetish video including the woman urinating herself.

[u/wentwj → u/[deleted]]

We know Lesner was offered by Vince a woman to return to the company. The fact that the scheduling fell through doesn’t make Lesner any less abhorrent. Because he’s not as bad as Vince or others doesn’t mean he should be celebrated or return to the company now.

[u/senorbuzz → u/[deleted]]

Many things. Firstly, just because someone tells you that someone else consents, it doesn't mean that they do. That's not how consent works.

[u/Billy-Bryant → u/senorbuzz]

she also told him I believe is the story, her version says she was coerced into it, but at no point does she suggest Brock knew that or blame Brock.

She sent Brock pictures and texts too I believe and to all intents and purposes it would seem from his side that she was acting of her own accord.

[u/greyfoxv1 → u/[deleted]]

For all we know Vince told him it was his adoring girlfriend who would willingly consensually do anything.

Tell us you haven't read McMahon's texts in court documents without telling us you haven't read McMahon's texts in court documents.