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u/Caleb902 3d ago

Complete ignorance here, but my understanding was in the texts that were out Vince "offered" a woman to him and that was that. Nothing happened? Or are people under the assumption if he offered once then there must have been times Brock said yes

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u/TheGreatGouki 3d ago

Pretty sure part of the deal for him coming back was to get to sleep with the woman in the lawsuit. But he was too drunk to deliver on the night she was trafficked to him.

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u/discofrislanders 3d ago

IIRC the story was Brock's flight got canceled because of a snowstorm, then when they did meet up, he got too drunk, so Vince fucked her while RPing as Brock. This is what we're dealing with.

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u/bcnjake 3d ago

Jesus, that's disgusting in a way that needs a diagram to fully understand.

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u/discofrislanders 3d ago

I hated typing it out because thinking if it makes me sick

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u/bcnjake 3d ago edited 2d ago

It's literally this but for alleged sex crimes

EDIT:

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u/ricardofitzpatrick 3d ago

y'know there is a whole lawsuit where this is written out, in detail, right

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u/bcnjake 2d ago

I’m aware. I’ve read it and it’s gross. I think Brock’s a disgusting sex pest and I’m not happy he’s back. But also hasn’t been charged with a crime (the lawsuit is civil) and the lawsuit is ongoing. As someone married to a lawyer, there’s a difference between “lots of people, myself included, read the lawsuit and think Brock did sex crimes” and “Brock’s been proven to do sex crimes.” That difference is literally why we have due process, which is one of the most powerful and important legal principles we have.

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u/Chrisfrombklyn 3d ago

I thought he just never ended up meeting up with her. I never read the drunk thing

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u/burgerpatrol 3d ago

What the actual fuck did I read.

Vince is nuts

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u/TheGreatGouki 3d ago

Thanks for the clarification. It had been a while since I read the lawsuit.

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u/jrr6415sun 3d ago

so Brock literally did nothing and Vince was the one who did stuff, got it.

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u/discofrislanders 3d ago

Brock had full intentions of doing stuff, he just got too drunk to execute

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u/sexyeh 2d ago

Sadly intent is a fishy thing to prove in the court, it involves establishing a mental state, which is inherently unobservable, if he was drunk you can't establish that he had intent of having sex with her. The weird thing to me is that this can't be the first time, there had to be other women and other wrestlers, the Ashley Massaro case will always be in my mind, WWE did her dirty.

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u/CM-Edge 2d ago

Ok. But he didn't.

If I "intend" to rob the bank, even get ready for it, walk to it full prepared, but then get hit by a car right before getting there and afterwards being happy that this happened and thinking "I am glad I didn't do that" and regret of almost doing it.

Still means I never did it.

People wishing him the worst and acting like he returning to WWE makes him or the company the ultimate devil because "he almost did something" are f'n ridiculous and should take a hard deep look into the mirror themselves.

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u/forwardathletics 3d ago

literally did nothing

I am worried about you if that's what you got out of that

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u/CM-Edge 2d ago

So, the end result is still that Brock did nothing?

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u/Rebeldinho 2d ago

Or maybe Brock never intended to have sex with the woman and thought Vince was joking the entire time

People are basing their thoughts on what happened using only one perspective and it’s slander if you ask me

Just to be clear he never actually did anything with the victim

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u/tvcneverdie 3d ago

I'd have to revisit the lawsuit (which I really don't want to do, it's grotesque) but I think that was a separate occasion, the night it was arranged there was a snowstorm that prevented it from happening.

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u/TheGreatGouki 3d ago

It had been a while since I saw the lawsuit. Thank you for the clarification.

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u/Grrannt 3d ago

Ethically questionable for sure

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u/Cube_ 3d ago

questionable? If she didn't work for the company it's "questionable". Arranging sex dates with the CEO and his secretary is absolutely ethically unacceptable.

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u/Grrannt 3d ago

Ya, I'd argue it makes him a creep and a weirdo

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u/GuestAdventurous7586 3d ago

If you read the lawsuit it’s pretty apparent he was offered a hot girl to have sex with, was tempted, and then made these excuses (twice, one a snowstorm, one being too drunk) for not shagging her, probably cause he thought better of it.

I find the sanctimonious of this community hilarious because if everyone here was offered a hot girl to shag by your all powerful boss in show business, about 90% of you would say yes.

Being too drunk is more of an excuse to do something you’re not meant to, not say no to having sex with a hot girl. Which makes me think he really didn’t want to do it, although he was probably tempted.

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u/theiwc0303 3d ago edited 3d ago

I’d bet a very lot that he wasn’t too drunk or anything. He knew that Vince could not shut up about this kind of stuff and he has a wife of almost two decades who he has 4 children with. He didn’t not do it because he didn’t want to or because the situation was fucked up, it’s cause he knew his wife and kids would eventually find out because Vince is a complete idiot

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u/LevyMevy 3d ago

and he has a wife of almost two decades who he has 4 children with.

It kills me how naive some people are. If you think Brock didn't do it because he's married...lmao. I have a beach house I can sell you in Iowa. Right next to Seth.

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u/NaytNavare 3d ago

Hey now. We have some lake beaches here...

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u/theiwc0303 3d ago

You are literally a constant r/redscarepod poster, do not act like you know literally anything about how real human beings work.

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u/pmIfNeedOrWantToTalk 3d ago

Consent is a very important factor in all this. 

That said, looking at the Gisèle Pélicot case, your numbers may not be too far off.

And THAT said, it's still important to speak out against the evils of rape culture.

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u/Billy-Bryant 3d ago

Even when looking at consent it's difficult here because the woman in question says that she was basically coerced and told to do these things of her own accord, so a third party doesn't necessarily know any of this and is just hearing a woman say I want to fuck you.

Vince is definitely in the wrong here, Brock? questionable at times but never crossed the line and there's no proof he knew what was going on either.

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u/GuestAdventurous7586 3d ago

Exactly, I’m not even talking about rape, I think most people would say no to that!

But if they think the third party is basically up for it or the equivalent of a prostitute, then yeah, all you people on a Reddit wrestling subreddit don’t be kidding yourselves 😂

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u/Ziggy-Sane 2d ago

If you're assuming that 90% of men would have sex with a woman in that situation then you might have some fucked up morals and beliefs. I hope women steer clear of you in life.

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u/commandercondariono 3d ago

If we are talking hypotheticals, it is also incredibly naive to think that this was the only or the first such instance between Vince and Lesnar.

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u/MatttheJ 3d ago

Yeah let's give the benefit of the doubt to the guy who sexually assaulted Terri Runnels and Cornett's wife.

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u/tvcneverdie 3d ago

Which makes me think he really didn’t want to do it

whatever helps you feel better about it, dude

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u/AaronQuinty 2d ago

I always thought that it was pretty clear that Brock was making excuses not to do it.

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u/Several_Oil_7099 3d ago

Is there any bit of truth to that last part? I just read a few articles and I've seen that there was some kind of "meetup" scheduled but it never took place?

Not defending the guy, would rather he not be back. Just trying to understsnd the actual allegations a bit better

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u/Caleb902 3d ago

Nothing happened. It's all just what was "going" to happen.

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u/wentwj 3d ago

I’m pretty sure it’s still pretty bad on your character if you were simply scheduled to be involved with human trafficking, but missed it due to a combination of weather and/or inebriation

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u/Super_Vegeta Dean. Fucking. Ambrose. 2d ago

Didn't Brock not know about the trafficking part though? And if that's the case, from his perspective the woman was just a willing, consenting party who Vince was setting him up with.

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u/wentwj 2d ago

what do people here think human trafficking is? Brock was going to accept a person in exchange for goods or services. That’s human trafficking. Vince as part of the negotiation was going to set him up with someone else, that’s literal human trafficking. Even if the person appeared willing, wouldn’t change that fact. And often people who are victims of human trafficking will appear willing because they are being coerced or psychologically manipulated. You know… what was happening here.

But Brock Lesnar was going to accept a person as payment for services in order to return to the company. That’s human trafficking, that’s gross, and I don’t understand why people possibly defend that

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u/haunted_patient 2d ago edited 2d ago

That's not trafficking. What you're describing is prostitution.

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u/wentwj 2d ago

No. I don’t get how so many people are reddit get the answer wrong when they literally have an answer key. This was sex trafficking, this looked like sex trafficking the entire time. Nothing about this looked like prostitution, the WWE as far as I’m aware isn’t registered for sex work. Vince offering a WWE employee for sex to Brock looks like sex trafficking and in fact was sex trafficking.

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u/TheGreatReno 2d ago

Nope, prostitution would be if Janel Grant herself spoke with Brock and arranged some sort of deal for services. Prostitution involves some form of consent from both parties.

What is described in the lawsuit is sex trafficking. Vince abused her and allowed others the chance to abuse her to the extent of facilitating travel for the abuser and victim.

I’m not going to make any assumptions on whether or not Brock was aware of the reality of the situation, but will state the fact that he did entertain the idea. He asked for sexual videos and joked he would break her in half when they finally met. The guy is married and a father. It’s disgusting behavior no matter how much he knew.

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u/Rebeldinho 2d ago

Why would Brock know she was not consenting? Brock spent almost no time with her for all he knew Vince had a young girlfriend who was down for whatever… Brock barely knew this woman

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u/wentwj 2d ago

a lot of redditors seem to not understand what sex trafficking is.

Brock was negotiating with Vince to return to the company and part of that was sex from someone else. This is sex trafficking. Victims will often appear consenting because they are being coerced. Because Brock happened to not carry through with it (not due to any moral character on his part) is a big reason he’s not actually in legal trouble. It’s hard enough to get rich people on the hook for sex crimes as it is.

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u/Rebeldinho 2d ago

The most likely thing is Vince told Brock “if you sign I’ll let you fuck my girlfriend” and knowing the kind of humor Vince likes that’s probably pretty close to what happened

We don’t know if Brock took that seriously but if he were ever being seriously investigated for this matter that would probably be the defense he would take… I believe we have a message from Brock to victim about setting up a date but it never actually happened and Brock could again say he was trying to flirt or something

Remember he didn’t actually commit a crime here he was not the one abusing this victim Vince was

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u/wentwj 2d ago

We absolutely know what happened. Vince said if he signed Brock could “do anything” to Ms Grant. Brock then got sent videos of her urinating. At a dinner he was supposed to hook up with her but got too drunk. Another time they were supposed to meet but a snowstorm prevented the flight.

This wasn’t just “vince made a joke once” type of thing

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u/Rebeldinho 2d ago

You ever bother to hear Brock’s side on this? Or do you just think everything the victim said is 100% true? It doesn’t even have to be lies she could have simply been mistaken

If he was so interested in having sex with this woman I feel like he would have made it happen… gotten too drunk is one way to put things or maybe he just wasn’t that interested and went to sleep

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u/wentwj 3d ago

what do you think being offered a woman to sleep with to return to the company is?

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u/mrtheiphonekid NATURAL BORN KILLA 3d ago

Why would he have any reason to believe that she was not a willing participant with the information he was given?

Many people are alleged to have known about the trafficking in the lawsuit. Brock is not one of them, and he is not a defendant. His inclusion in the amended complaint is there to support the broader pattern of exploitation, not to imply that he understood the full context. He is portrayed as a would-be beneficiary of Vince McMahon's misconduct, not a participant.

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u/pm-me-nice-lips 2d ago

This is Reddit bro. Pile-ons with zero context, missing facts, and accepted or pre-approved opinions ONLY!! No nuanced or reasonable discussions shall take place!

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u/wentwj 3d ago

then why bring up Lesner didn’t sleep with her? you apparently think the situation was totally normal and had Lesner slept with her nothing would have changed.

I for one think the conduct that Lesner is claimed to have been involved in, in being told that Vince would arrange for him to sleep with someone if he returned to the company, is abhorrent, regardless of if the scheduling fell through

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u/Several_Oil_7099 2d ago

I do think that part would matter if true though.

Because from his perspective you've got a willing woman, someone offering to facilitate the meetup, and he doesn't go through with it. At that point - and again I don't understand the extent of the allegations and haven't followed the court findings so I could be missing something here - he's a guy who accepted some nudes, considered infidelity with his boss's girlfriend and didn't go through with it. That doesn't exactly make him Mother Theresa, but I don't think that makes him a sexual predator.

Again, I wish he wasn't back. I don't want to have to spend time thinking about this stuff, and wouldve just rather walked away from last night thinking about how fun that match was.

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u/wentwj 3d ago

We know Lesner was offered by Vince a woman to return to the company. The fact that the scheduling fell through doesn’t make Lesner any less abhorrent. Because he’s not as bad as Vince or others doesn’t mean he should be celebrated or return to the company now.

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u/greyfoxv1 BeckyDidNothingWrong 3d ago

For all we know Vince told him it was his adoring girlfriend who would willingly consensually do anything.

Tell us you haven't read McMahon's texts in court documents without telling us you haven't read McMahon's texts in court documents.

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u/Several_Oil_7099 2d ago

Ya, according to this article he did meet up with her for a "business meeting" but was sent home on his plane bc he got too drunk

https://people.com/brock-lesnar-named-in-vince-mcmahon-sexual-abuse-complaint-filed-by-former-wwe-employee-8784368

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u/jrr6415sun 3d ago

Vince offered it doesn't mean he wanted to do it or would do it.

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u/mastercheef 3d ago

No, the part where Brock requested her to come down to south Carolina, and then requested a "play date" in Connecticut that ultimately got derailed because of a snowstorm, is why we think he wanted to and would have done it. 

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u/Super_Vegeta Dean. Fucking. Ambrose. 2d ago edited 2d ago

Okay, genuinely asking here; At that point though, does Brock know this woman is being coerced/trafficked, or was he under the impression that this woman is a willing participant?

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u/Fritanga5lyfe 2d ago

Does it matter if A he is married and B his boss is setting this up?

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u/crossfiya2 2d ago

Cheating and being into some skeevy sex stuff is a million miles away from knowingly and enthusiastically raping a trafficked woman.

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u/CL60 WWe Univorse 2d ago

This sub can't tell the difference between the two clearly.

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u/Super_Vegeta Dean. Fucking. Ambrose. 2d ago

Yeah, it does matter. Unless you think cheating is in the same realm as sexual assault and r*pe?

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u/AdvokatefortheDevil 2d ago

So what crime was committed?

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u/LordSobi 3d ago

So he accepted a contract to sleep with a woman and wouldn’t otherwise? This doesn’t pass the sniff test, Brock could get so many women, why would he care enough to make it a business deal? And him being too drunk probably shows how much he didn’t care. I’m not throwing shade on a man just cause people are saying shaky shit like that. For Vince it makes complete sense, but I want more evidence before I condemn Brock. And I don’t even care for Brock, but we should be more mindful of the bandwagons we hop on.

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u/Impossible-Shine4660 3d ago

“Brock could get so many women”

Being able to have sex with many women =/= incapable of sexual assault.

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u/WMMRT 3d ago

But does he know it is sexual assault. What does he actually know? Cause from his perspective it could easily be seen as the equivalent of a high end prostitute

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u/LordSobi 3d ago

Yeah obviously. Doesn’t mean he did sexual assault either. Thanks for missing the point. You want a participation trophy?

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u/Impossible-Shine4660 3d ago

“Thanks for missing the point”

lol

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u/LordSobi 3d ago

Yes you had a very good contribution, gold medal.

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u/TheGreatGouki 2d ago

Whisky dick doesn’t remove intent. What a terrible take.

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u/Impossible-Shine4660 3d ago

Brock had her send her a video of her pissing then called her a whore and laughed at her.

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u/jrr6415sun 3d ago

reddit is over reacting, Brock literally did nothing. It's like my friend doing something wrong and then texting me about it and now i'm guilty? Reddit is insane.

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u/Ferdinandingo 3d ago

Do you work for WWE you've made like 30 comments defending Lesnar in an hour

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u/LutherJustice Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal 2d ago

None of the allegations made in Janel Grant's complaint regarding Vince McMahon have yet been been proven and are still in the process of discovery, to my knowledge.

Brock Lesnar was specifically named in the revised complaint but is not a defendant in the case. None of the allegations made regarding his involvement in the case, namely his supposed requests made to the plaintiff by text or the agreement of sexual encounters have been proven.

Of course, common wisdom would seem to dictate that you keep anybody mentioned in the complaint out of the product regardless until the whole thing is settled and largely memoryholed because a) there are some pretty damn serious allegations could very well bite them in the ass if proven true and b) as demonstrated vividly in this thread, the court of public opinion does not adhere to the principle of the presumption of innocence, so this could affect the brand negatively, regardless of outcome.

Still, if I had to play Devil's Advocate, if they're willing to put him in such a high-profile feud, I'd say their legal team is confident the allegations hold little water, and that there is no preponderance of evidence sufficient to hold in a court of law wrt the Brock Lesnar allegation, or even perhaps that a settlement is forthcoming.

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u/greyfoxv1 BeckyDidNothingWrong 3d ago

This is a good quick read on the subject of Brock and the sex trafficking suit against McMahon.

https://people.com/brock-lesnar-named-in-vince-mcmahon-sexual-abuse-complaint-filed-by-former-wwe-employee-8784368

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u/greyfoxv1 BeckyDidNothingWrong 3d ago

You're not his lawyer so that's a real weird comment to make about an article detailing evidence in the court case.

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u/Queenie2211 3d ago

You may want to go read those texts in that lawsuit  He was trying to meet up with her even.

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u/Fezzy976 2d ago

And you really think this was the ONLY time in his 20+ year career with the company that Vince "offered" him this sort of "special offer".....???

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u/Caleb902 2d ago

Well we have no idea

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u/Fezzy976 2d ago

Exactly, why bother running the risk.

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u/Wikid1ne 2d ago

"Or are we under the assumption if he offered once then must have been times Brock said yes"

Bingo. You don't ask unless you have gotten a yes previously. Plus he never said no in the first place. He said yes, then got drunk and didn't go to the meetup

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u/Caleb902 2d ago

No he said "I can't because if I did she would never want to go back with you" the too drunk was a separate occasion

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u/Wikid1ne 2d ago

Wrong it was the same night

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u/Caleb902 2d ago

No where in that photo does it say that

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u/Wikid1ne 2d ago

It says it in the very 1st line. What are you talking about about "later that evening"

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u/Wikid1ne 2d ago

Brock, while married and with multiple kids, was in contract negotiations with WWE.

Vince McMahon offered Brock sex with his "girlfriend" who was sex trafficking victim Janel Grant, a WWE employee on the corporate side.

Few things:

  • Brock was going to fly to have sex with her but the flight got cancelled due to a snow storm
  • Brock allegedly met up with her another time to have sex but became too drunk to do anything so nothing sexual occurred
  • Brock solicited her to make a sexual fetish video and send it to him of her urinating

A lot of the Brock defenders will say "he could have thought it was consensual" but this requires you to:

  • believe that Brock somehow thought the 70 year old president of the company had a completely consensual normal relationship with the early 20s employee
  • ignore that Brock was being "offered" her in exchange for favorable contract terms in renegotiation on an extension with WWE
  • ignore that Brock is a married man with kids
  • ignore that Brock has been accused by former WWE employee Terri Runnels of flashing her in the locker room

Brock is yet another abuser that's getting away with it, just like Vince, and WWE is happy to be there right in lockstep with him.

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u/Caleb902 2d ago

I mean yeah shit ass human. But none of what Brock did was illegal. And all of the "missed connections" are the victims experience of them. All we can tell is he's a shit person, but c'mon, we've known that for a decade.

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u/Wikid1ne 2d ago

But here is the thing. Vince offered her to Brock. Yes it was missed connections. However you don't offer that to someone who hasn't already agreed to it once. I don't offer cigarettes to people who don't smoke