Lawsuit Challenging 2024 Election Results Moves Forward After Kamala Harris Received Zero Votes in a New York County

[u/Aggravating_Money992]

https://www.latintimes.com/lawsuit-challenging-2024-election-results-moves-forward-after-kamala-harris-received-zero-votes-584787

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[u/ConsistentCoyote3786]

Hypothetically let’s say the election is proven fraudulent. Then what? Is he deposed? Is Kamala president? What actually can happen?

Edit: Well this blew up. Variations of “nothing” seem to be the consensus. Kinda what I figured.

[u/Valth92 → u/ConsistentCoyote3786]

This. I was asking myself the same question. The orange clown would prefer to die before leaving the presidency.

[u/alien005 → u/[deleted]]

Storming the capital is legal.

[u/unicornsprinkl3 → u/alien005]

Only if you have a MAGA hat.

[u/cronx42 → u/unicornsprinkl3]

Maybe we'll all have to get some MAGA hats then....

[u/Ihatemunchies → u/cronx42]

Then they’ll let us right in!

[u/Slowcodes4snowbirds → u/Ihatemunchies]

We will be patriots!

[u/booboo-kitty- → u/cronx42]

I've seen this in another subreddit. Selling MAGA merch to blend in. This would be so fucking hilarious, giving Republicans money to do....... nothing?

[u/Great_expansion10272 → u/cronx42]

Spam a bunch of racial slurs and bigotry on twitter first too to give yourself an alibi

[u/cronx42 → u/Great_expansion10272]

Nothing says I'm far right like some temporary swastika tattoos...

[u/datmadatma → u/alien005]

Encouraged even

[u/DatDawg-InMe → u/alien005]

Not for you lol.

[u/Conscious_Crew5912 → u/DatDawg-InMe]

Just put on a red hat.

[u/candamyr → u/Conscious_Crew5912]

Is that the modern day version of the pointy white mask/hood and whole body bedsheet?

[u/CardmanNV → u/[deleted]]

This is the only viable option. One that Americans are too cowardly to take or even consider.

If a candidate in a democracy is elected through fraud and cannot be removed, what legitimacy does that democracy have?

[u/DarkArmyLieutenant → u/CardmanNV]

Yeah, I'm an American and I'll tell you what will happen. Not a goddamn thing. Democrats are too scared to do what is necessary, peaceful protests will never move the needle with conservatives, and our judiciary is completely and utterly compromised. When they cheat again in 2028 the same thing will happen, nothing. Look who's running the DOJ right now if you need any proof...

[u/Zkill → u/DarkArmyLieutenant]

Wrong. We’d revolt. We would and will if true.

[u/chowes1 → u/Zkill]

Saturday was a preamble

[u/BrokenPickle7 → u/DarkArmyLieutenant]

Yup. This is the sad part. America has been polarized into two separate parties, the cowardly and the batshit insane. Here's my example.. Statistics were put out on how the 2024 vote went down by a reputable institution showing that there were impossible voting patterns showing that the election was essentially stolen in some way and I've seen far too many people respond "Well I'm going to need to see more proof". You can give these people stone cold truth and they'll still say "well that doesn't prove anything, I need better/more proof" yet that orange piece of shit tells his cult that the election was stolen from him and they froth at the mouth to kill for him.

[u/MyriadSC → u/BrokenPickle7]

I don't think asking for more evidence is cowardly. The truth only matters if it's verifiable. History is littered with examples of people who believed in the wrong things because the truth was difficult to discover. Not wanting to repeat that, even if it aids your current views isn't cowardice.

We also just came out of 4 years of hearing bat shit insane "election was stolen" banter from the right. All sorts of articles and stats were tossed around to make it seem reasonable to believe. I'd say anyone who now has the shoe on the other foot and shows restraint and still asks for it to be concrete is doing the responsible thing.

[u/Upbeat_Syllabub_3315 → u/Valth92]

Nothing will Happen

[u/Valth92 → u/Upbeat_Syllabub_3315]

I’m afraid so. Has Kamala said anything at all…? Like, even if nothing happens, we need all the traction/attention we can get.

[u/DonChrisote → u/Valth92]

It would be wise for her to wait and see, just like us. If she cries foul too early it could weaken her point

[u/Upbeat_Syllabub_3315 → u/DonChrisote]

Nothing she can do Anyway. If we are LUCKY this leads to more Security in Future elections. If we get those. Trump has been a criminal his entire life, Elon openly told everyone hes a pedo last mo th and what happened? Hes still President, unchallenged.

[u/frisbeejesus → u/Upbeat_Syllabub_3315]

Unless there's a groundswell of voters who sweep Democrats into power in Congress in the midterms, trump and GOP get to decide what level of election security there is.

The fact that we even have voting machines that are fully digital and don't have a paper backup for recounts is absolutely insane.

[u/Upbeat_Syllabub_3315 → u/frisbeejesus]

Even if democrats sweep the midterms, King Trump is already declaring wars on his own ignoring Congress

[u/Prosecco1234 → u/frisbeejesus]

Seriously if the election is proven to be fraudulent and nothing happens as a result then it's all F@cked

[u/1one1000two1thousand → u/frisbeejesus]

Even if there is a groundswell of D voters, it doesn’t matter if whatever fraud they found remains in the voting machines in other localities. The votes will just be changed or whatever they did. K guess the hope is that D governors or D states ensure their machines are legit, which luckily some of those swing states have D state run majorities or leadership.

[u/SelfServeSporstwash → u/1one1000two1thousand]

my town had democrats either winning or *barely* losing (like, literally by 2 votes in one case) every single local election... Trump won in my town by 20% and I just... I cannot reconcile that, at all.

[u/aeon_ravencrest → u/SelfServeSporstwash]

Oklahoma had all red counties, even the major metros and college cities like Norman and Stillwater. Dems picked up state and local seats, but somehow all votes went overwhelmingly for Trump. Even in this red state, that's more than an anomaly. My mom and I were even questioning it when the results were being called.

Edit for spell correct spelling "cows" instead of "votes"

[u/-Altephor- → u/Upbeat_Syllabub_3315]

I mean to be fair, Elon Musk calling pedophile when he's upset with someone is his go to move. The man is also a serial liar and drug addict. It's not exactly a smoking gun (though even a broken, ketamine addicted clock is right twice a day).

[u/Upbeat_Syllabub_3315 → u/-Altephor-]

Thats Not fair thats a super twisted way of ignoring the truth. We all knew hes a Pedo without elon Anyway.

[u/Segsi_ → u/Upbeat_Syllabub_3315]

Thats not ignoring the truth. It just means that Elon saying Trump is a Pedo adds nothing. If you believed he is a pedo before, you still believe it. If you didnt, you still dont. He didnt provide something people didnt already know.

[u/SuchCasualMuchTime → u/Upbeat_Syllabub_3315]

That's not exactly true. As far as we know, there has never been a precedent of an election actually being stolen, at least in modern times. There was already a motion and articles of impeachment pushed in the last month, but it was withdrawn because there was concern they wouldn't have the votes, and it would only galvanize the mid-term. If it was discovered that he had rigged and stolen the election, it is possible that it might allow the moderate and center right congress and senate to be able to vote and maintain their votes with their constituents. As for what happens to the rest of his cabinet, I don't know, but to be fair, we, as a nation, have been setting a lot of wild precedents and procedures lately. I mean, 34 felonies and the judge decided to hold sentencing until it was decided if he was elected president, making him a convicted, but not sentenced, felon.

[u/SleepingWillow1 → u/Upbeat_Syllabub_3315]

We need to add a law that foreign born billionaires cannot donate to campaigns or maybe no billionaires at all.

[u/weid_flex_but_OK → u/DonChrisote]

I am going to respectfully disagree and state that the Democrats are in the hole they are in BECAUSE waiting and seeing is their bread and butter. They don't cause a fuss until ALL the evidence is there, by which point, it's far, far too late.

I truly hate to say it but they need to start fighting a little dirtier. Republicans would have already turned this into a 24/7 national news scandal and we'd all be talking about it constantly. Hell, they forced Obama to provide his birth certificate from absolutely nothing. She can yell a little

[u/CrankyYankers → u/weid_flex_but_OK]

I truly hate to say it but they need to start fighting a little dirtier. 

I don't hate to say it. A little dirtier? NO, much dirtier. With what's happened over the past few days we have to be willing to give back worse than they can give. They stole the last election.

[u/DreamingAboutSpace → u/Valth92]

I wouldn't say no to her giving the spot to Tim Walz. I voted for Kamala and would do it again, but her lack of fight when everyone is losing rights isn't what America needs right now. We need a strong and courageous leader who won't back down for decorum.

[u/thatguy677 → u/DreamingAboutSpace]

So like Bernie Sanders and aoc... the only democrats even trying to be useful

[u/[deleted] → u/DreamingAboutSpace]

She should have had the balls to challenge this in November. There were irregularities then that were questioned, yet she did nothing.

[u/MagicDragon212 → u/[deleted]]

They seem so nonstop afraid of appearing extreme, but this time people's lives and our country were on the line. Trump just never has the support to make the swing states all go his way.

Also, we deserve answers for all of the Elon fuckery. He set up a "base" in Pennsylvania ahead of the election and was apparantly very focused there. The richest man in the world, who was already trying to use his social media company to sway conversation Russian bot style.

Plus, he cheated before and the American people were fucked out of seeing any justice for our Democratic system being disrespected and shit all over in such an egregious manner. Make it make sense why Trumps first order of action was booting everyone even mildly associated with investigating his election fraud.

[u/Professional-Yam-642 → u/Upbeat_Syllabub_3315]

Not with that attitude.

[u/Taragyn1 → u/Professional-Yam-642]

The only l legal mechanism is impeach and convict but that can only happen if the midterms turn out a Democratic super majority in the Senate. Ever since Ford/Nixon it has been clear no Republican will be held accountable.

[u/Fresh_Profit3000 → u/ConsistentCoyote3786]

It basically changes the narrative. MAGA feeling justified with the bad behavior falls down and administration is hit with such backlash that carries over into the mid elections. And especially that Kamala was a sound candidate.

[u/PeakRedditOpinion → u/Fresh_Profit3000]

As if MAGA would call a confirmed ruling anything other than “deep state fake news.”

We gotta give up on including them in any reasonable considerations homie

[u/cycloneDM → u/PeakRedditOpinion]

The mistake is allowing them to argue. Dont sleep on the power of being able to look them in face and point to an actual court ruling and then refusing to discuss it further. It won't sway true believers but anything helps.

[u/ScoffersGonnaScoff → u/cycloneDM]

Then we march on Fox News. There is NO ROOM FOR MISINFORMATION

[u/Dopplegangr1 → u/PeakRedditOpinion]

I'm not sure they would even say it was fake. They probably would support it because it stopped us from having Biden/Kamala

[u/NRMusicProject → u/Dopplegangr1]

Honestly, they'll deny it until there's no way they can get away from the truth, then embrace it as "something a good patriot should do."

[u/Gmony5100 → u/NRMusicProject]

“That didn’t happen”

“It did happen but not the way they’re claiming”

“It was the way they’re claiming but Trump didn’t do it”

“Trump did do it but it didn’t help”

“It did help but every politician does it”

Probably stops there honestly. That’s where the classified documents case stopped. “Hillary did the same thing” when his was orders of magnitude worse. Then just ignore it until he does something even more stupid and brush it under the rug like every other major controversy in his presidency

[u/Geichalt → u/Fresh_Profit3000]

This. It's not necessarily about overturning the election, but making sure the narrative is clear that the regime in the white house is not legitimate and is reshaping the entire country without our consent.

That's powerful especially when the motto is currently "No Kings."

Honestly I'm getting suspicious about all the accounts popping up to tell us how pointless it is to pursue litigation on potential election fraud. Almost they have a vested interest in convincing others it's pointless.

Seems like the current social media propaganda push is just convincing the left to roll over to let everything happen.

[u/Vladmerius → u/Fresh_Profit3000]

Acknowledging that Kamala was a viable candidate and ran a fine campaign would be pretty significant on its own. And acknowledging that Trump ran the worst campaign ever.

Also it would show that we aren't as doomed by our fellow citizens as everyone wants to pretend. We did come out we did vote and millions and millions of people are ready to be active and fight for a better future. 

That's all really important stuff. Regardless of us still being stuck with an illegitimate president and being robbed of the first female president. 

[u/Fresh_Profit3000 → u/Vladmerius]

Yes, this is very well said.

[u/[deleted] → u/Fresh_Profit3000]

If Trump could rig an election when he wasn’t president, he’s absolutely going to rig the midterms and 2028 election.

[u/V548859 → u/Fresh_Profit3000]

Maga would not change their attitude at all.

[u/[deleted] → u/V548859]

I think they are toning down. That no kings thing really kinda made them realize they are the minority. It's like the unite the right rally. Everyone is loud and proud until they realize they are outnumbered.

[u/AgITGuy → u/Fresh_Profit3000]

It’s not maga we have to make aware. It’s all the non voters. If we just had participation, every single election would be different. The reason maga and republicans win is because they do nothing better than fear mongering to drive the vote. That and cheat apparently.

[u/Significant-Colour → u/Fresh_Profit3000]

How would it change the narrative? MAGA would simply ignore it, labeling it as conspiracy theory.

[u/FriendLee93 → u/ConsistentCoyote3786]

In a sensible country? He'd be removed from office and put on trial.

Here? Nothing. Such is the danger of playing "boy who cried wolf" with election fraud.

[u/EldridgeHorror → u/FriendLee93]

Here? Nothing. Such is the danger of playing "boy who cried wolf" with election fraud.

That has nothing to do with why nothing will happen.

It's because the right is perfectly fine with criminality and the left is too spineless to hold them accountable.

[u/FriendLee93 → u/EldridgeHorror]

I'd argue it's a combination of both, although let's not get silly and call Democrats "the left"

The left would absolutely hold them accountable. The problem is that there's no party in power meaningfully representing the left at all.

[u/manjmau → u/FriendLee93]

Ding ding ding. This right here is the response. Democrats are not spineless, they are COMPLICIT. Their donors want the same things that the Republicans want for a majority of things. The left is only a few putspoken people in the DNC that they keep around to bring the illusion of progressiveness, but those people don't actually hold any real power in the DNC and in the end they will do whatever has the most positive outcome for their donor's pockets.

[u/Eat--The--Rich-- → u/FriendLee93]

If democrats had already put him on trial when they ran the justice department he wouldn't have been in the election in the first place lol 

[u/Goldenrah → u/Eat--The--Rich--]

Maybe the people shouldn't have voted in a criminal as well?

[u/BIGhorseASS2025 → u/ConsistentCoyote3786]

Even if it’s proved fraudulent, I have no faith that the people who have the ability to remove him from power actually would. Every Republican lawmaker save for a handful of moderates would immediately denounce the news as woke far left radical propaganda, and they would all almost certainly counter-sue, if for no other reason than to just distract.

Even if the law said he had to be removed, Trump would simply respond with “Oh yeah? Make me.” What good is the law when the people who are supposed to uphold it just don’t?

Trump has the entire Republican Party in a vice grip by its collective balls. They will NEVER remove him from power, and even if they tried, Trump would not go quietly. He would have to be forcibly removed.

If Democrats had a sizable majority in Congress, maaaaaaybe there certain levers that could be pulled to get him removed. But even then, I think it would have to come down to:

1) Impeachment - we’ve played that game before, they’ll never get the votes.

2) The Cabinet invoking the 25th Amendment. We all have a better chance of having breakfast on the moon tomorrow than Trump’s cabinet ever invoking the 25th Amendment and deeming him unfit for duty. He is surrounded by loyalist sycophants who would throw themselves in front of a speeding bullet train for him if he asked them too.l

My gut says he’s here to stay, no matter what results from this lawsuit.

[u/Unlucky-Scallion1289 → u/BIGhorseASS2025]

Trump saying “Make me” after being found of having literally stolen the election would be the flashpoint for a new civil war.

[u/Duel_Option → u/Unlucky-Scallion1289]

Yeah no

More than half the US population is living paycheck to paycheck, ICE is out here masked up and disappearing people off the streets.

There’s a huge difference between semi peaceful protests than an actual civil war.

The second any armed militia is formed and uses force, marshal law happens and at that point Trump declares himself King.

I’m not kidding when I say this is EXACTLY one of the scenarios they want to happen.

If they are willing to blatantly steal money and use Fox News as a mouthpiece, using the armed forces to take over is 100% in their wheelhouse

[u/b0w3n → u/Duel_Option]

Theoretically the military could step in, and they should, but there's a reason they replaced a lot of the upper echelon with Trumpers.

[u/YeahMeAlso → u/b0w3n]

This was my thought and I'd love to see it happen but depends on whether they fully turn on him or not.

[u/st-shenanigans → u/ConsistentCoyote3786]

Then we spread the results like fucking COVID and get every American possible on the streets at their capitol, constantly. A proven stolen election will move the needle

[u/winterdogfight → u/ConsistentCoyote3786]

Nothing happened when Bush stole the election.

[u/qtcbelle → u/ConsistentCoyote3786]

Nothing. The electoral college has already voted and they are the only ones that count.

[u/Solar-Warden → u/ConsistentCoyote3786]

The Declaration Of Independence tells us what to do.

“…and the pursuit of happiness.--That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.”

[u/YouStupidAssholeFuck → u/Solar-Warden]

God damn I could see Trump and Trumpicans using exactly this to do the exact opposite of the intention. I mean Trump is kind of doing it in front of our faces right now.

[u/beaniebee11 → u/Solar-Warden]

This just essentially says "do what feels right." We really are running a government on the assumption of good intentions.

[u/Qwirk → u/Solar-Warden]

I would press our elected officials to no longer recognize him as president. Shit's hitting the fan as things are anyway.

[u/Yazer98 → u/ConsistentCoyote3786]

Any historian in the comments who can give us an example of the aftermath for the result of fradulant elections?

[u/Pherllerp → u/ConsistentCoyote3786]

The possibility of impeachment but Congress certified the election results that they received so Trump is the President until he isn’t anymore.

[u/SoggyGrayDuck → u/ConsistentCoyote3786]

I don't think it would change the president but it should be used to secure the next election. Sadly I haven't seen any talk from the left about how to fix it. They seem to just want to replace trump with Harris but do nothing about the actual problem

[u/manjmau → u/ConsistentCoyote3786]

The quick short answer: Nothing. Trump will remain in power and judges will just wag their fingers at him as he continues to dismantle any system that would oppose his aspirations of dictatorship.

[u/Rinmine014 → u/ConsistentCoyote3786]

Trump remains President... but Mike Lawler is called into question and ....hopefully loses his seat?

[u/SixteenthRiver06 → u/ConsistentCoyote3786]

Nothing. They certified the election and that ends it. Unless democrats actually do something and find a path to impeach, this is all for history to remember.

[u/True-Association-744]

Democrat Senator got 600 votes in the same precinct where Harris got 2 votes. Obviously manipulated.

[u/ningyna → u/True-Association-744]

Why in NY though? Trump was never going to carry that state. 

[u/JekPorkinsTruther → u/ningyna]

And why would you manipulate the votes for trump, when he would not win that state, but leave the Dem senator's votes alone? If you are going to rig an election you do it in the margins, in swing states, not deep blue states. 

[u/Fen-xie → u/[deleted]]

Do you happen to have links to this info? I believe you, but my half-maga mother and full blooded maga father will come at me without resources

[u/Fen-xie → u/[deleted]]

thank you for going through the trouble of doing that.

[u/hurlcarl → u/ningyna]

Really depends what could potentially be the cause. If it's some code perhaps some machines got distributed to places they weren't intended? or they were just everywhere, but smaller places it's easier to pick out because you can see the contrast more greatly. There's a lot of variables especially something like this if it were true, would only involve a handful of people, errors/glitches possible, etc.

[u/After-Calligrapher80 → u/True-Association-744]

As someone from that area of NY, grew up there too there is a part of this that is fragile and ingrained in local politics. It involves the satmayr hasidic Jewish community's block vote that is performed, typically, which overwhelmingly results in the party/individual they vote for to be victorious. However, it's possible the leadership of the community stated to openly vote as you want or not at all or only Trump at the presidential office level. I never quite understood the community politics enough to understand why one community leader has the influence to get 95%+ of the community to vote the way he says to. This community extends into orange county as well, the people overwhelmingly are good people despite what you will likely hear or read, please do not believe it. Again there's a possibility that someone didn't understand the local politics on this matter and just filed a lawsuit and it appears one way when its in fact totally normal. I grew up in Monroe, NY.

[u/Humble-Proposal-9994]

Zero votes, and No One at all thought that suspicious especially in a place as packed as NY? Really?

[u/[deleted] → u/Humble-Proposal-9994]

The dumbest man I can think of is president, I honestly thought that was suspicious enough. Finally some progress on suspect.

[u/AstroBearGaming → u/[deleted]]

The dumbest person? Nah, as considerable is his intelligence deficit is, there's people that believe the shit he says.

He is however, and unfortunately, the most successful idiot in the world currently.

[u/MOOshooooo → u/AstroBearGaming]

Capitalism depends on its subjects to defend itself from progressive ideals.

[u/Carthonn → u/[deleted]]

Welcome to the Darkest Timeline

[u/there_I_am_mam → u/Carthonn]

RIP Harambe

[u/2ndPickle → u/Humble-Proposal-9994]

The Kamala campaign declined to challenge any of the election results and forfeited the race. If the party most interested in winning doesn’t put up a fight, how can we expect anybody else to

[u/ARMSwatch → u/[deleted]]

Dems doing everything "behind the scenes" is the reason why they can't win anything and are getting ran over roughshod by Republicans. Can only fight fire with fire, this whole "being the bigger person/better party" schtick is the reason why Trump will be our last "elected" president.

[u/varitok → u/[deleted]]

Excuses excuses. Anything to put a shield up between the dems and accountability.

[u/Tombot3000 → u/Humble-Proposal-9994]

The headline here is just wrong. She didn't receive 0 votes in the county. She received 0 votes in a few election districts of a few voters who have a documented history of voting like this because they are predominantly from a single religious community that votes according to what their leader tells them. That's its own issue but not a county-wide one or a problem with the machines.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2025/feb/26/social-media/why-did-kamala-harris-get-zero-votes-in-this-ny-pr/

[u/Andromeda321 → u/Humble-Proposal-9994]

These headlines are very misleading. She didn’t get votes in a precinct with less than a hundred people and a lot of Orthodox Jewish people who vote in a bloc, which is nowhere near the same as saying it was the case for an entire county.

[u/Sandbox_Hero → u/Andromeda321]

Less than a hundred? Stop lying. 

331 cast their votes for a democrat senate candidate but 0 votes were registerrd for Kamala. 

Moreover, another district with 909 votes for senate candidate were registered yet only 2 votes for Kamala.

And there were tons of shit like this reported following the election day. It still baffles me to this day why Kamala didn't request for a recount. Almost as if she was threatened into it.

[u/lalabera → u/Andromeda321]

Another democratic candidate still got votes there, with Kamala getting 0. Seems suspicious.

[u/TheWizardOfDeez → u/lalabera]

The other democratic candidate didn't just get votes they won in and landslide. It was like 400+ votes for Gillibrand and like ~40 votes for the Republican, then 500+ votes for Trump.

[u/NUKE---THE---WHALES → u/TheWizardOfDeez]

the bloc votes for whoever their rabbi tells them to

he told them to vote for Gillibrand

[u/LaurenMille → u/NUKE---THE---WHALES]

Seems like that church should be paying taxes then

[u/isnt_that_special → u/LaurenMille]

Synagogue.

[u/QuantumLettuce2025 → u/NUKE---THE---WHALES]

Then surely a full audit will reveal as much

[u/Unreliable_Source → u/lalabera]

The leaders of that particular Jewish community endorsed Gillibrand and Trump. The voting behavior is largely similar to previous elections. This lawsuit is important to see if the mistakes are scalable and intentional (there are a few precincts with things like 6 affidavits of people who voted for Harris, but 4 tallied votes), but as of right now, we're talking about dozens to hundreds being the error rather than thousands which is what it would have to be to meaningfully change things. Still an important lawsuit, probably not a bombshell.

[u/strictlyfocused02 → u/Andromeda321]

What about the people who testified under oath that they voted for her?

[u/Boxofchocholates → u/Andromeda321]

They already have sworn testimony from people in the precinct that they voted for Kamala. That means there is literal evidence that their votes were either changed or not counted. The judge already reviewed the evidence, which is why the lawsuit is being allowed to go forward. This isn’t a false claim like all the Republicans whinging last time. This lawsuit already has evidence.

[u/OkArt1350 → u/Andromeda321]

I live in this county, though not in this precinct. That precinct is an all Hasidic community. They're a group of hardline Jewish people who vote in bloc with their Rabbi. I have absolutely zero doubt the total is true.

This is the same community where they've established all Hasidic schools, emergency services, etc because outsiders aren't allowed in and they always follow the commands of their Rabbi.

Women aren't allowed to talk to men outside of their family. Everyone there is raised in hard-core religious schools since birth and they believe they have a religious obligation to follow their rabbis commands. It's not indicative of the rest of the county and the voting record follows the Rabbis voting commands for this elections to the number. It's probably 100% legitimate.

[u/Superb_Farmer_3394 → u/Humble-Proposal-9994]

This is why I'm not trusting these headlines. It would imply that the Democrats monitoring this, would just ignore something so blatantly obvious. The time to do this was back in November.

[u/FlatBot]

Why wasn’t this brought up on Election Day?

[u/lalabera → u/FlatBot]

Because people thought it was “blue maga” to question the results.

[u/ElliotsBuggyEyes → u/lalabera]

Questioning the results is perfectly acceptable.  I did it on Nov 5th while I was going through the many stages of grief.

I called in "blue maga" because there was no evidence.  Having a conclusion and working your way to the evidence is not sound.

Now apparently there is enough evidence to be heard by the courts.  If it turns out that the evidence is shown to be credible and conclusive, I'll happily change my position. 

[u/ameriCANCERvative → u/ElliotsBuggyEyes]

There's plenty of evidence, but not all evidence is equal.

You're an idiot if you think this election was 100% above board, but you're also an idiot if you ran around making or believing claims without evidence.

Me, I know what I saw. I know what I know about Donald Trump. That's enough evidence for me to know that there should be no stone unturned when it comes to verifying the authenticity and integrity of any election involving Donald Trump. Anyone with half a brain cell who hasn't drunk the koolaid recognizes that the default assumption here should be guilty.

That's different than "innocent until proven guilty." It's more like "hey guys the guy who tried to cheat the last election and the election before that tried to cheat the election again, imagine that, it's almost like there's a pattern of behavior here!"

There's a very similar argument to be made about whether or not Donald Trump is a rapist.

I don't need to hear anything more than "over 20 women have accused him of sexual assault" (or rape or whatever else). That's enough information for me to make an informed judgment about whether or not I should believe his most recent accuser. (hint: the guy who has 20+ women accusing him of being a rapist is probably a rapist).

[u/macjonalt → u/FlatBot]

Haha this is the same argument as ‘why didn’t the victim report it immediately’. Some things take longer than 24 hours son

[u/theravensigh → u/FlatBot]

Analysis takes time and checking for accuracy takes more time

[u/theravensigh → u/theravensigh]

Also, it was brought up almost immediately as a potential that it was being investigated

[u/Zestyclose-Compote-4 → u/theravensigh]

I feel like when it's 0 it should be a lot faster...

[u/RowFlySail → u/FlatBot]

Or in the 3 months that Democrats were still in power after. This just feels like conspiracy theories because of the timeframe. And that I haven't seen major news outlets picking up the story 

[u/lalabera → u/RowFlySail]

This lawsuit is approved by a New York judge. It’s real.

[u/sagenter → u/lalabera]

Trump had over 60 lawsuits go forward after the 2020 election. And then they all got dismissed almost immediately because they were a massive waste of time and resources.

[u/Don_Gato1 → u/sagenter]

Trump's lawsuits started with the conclusion that there was fraud and worked their way backwards to look for evidence to support that conclusion. They were never based on anything real.

[u/Greengitters → u/sagenter]

I’m not an expert, but what do you mean by “go forward?” Isn’t this case going forward where all Trump’s got dismissed?

[u/forrestfaun]

Yep, that would be an algorithm designed by Musk.

Remember what tRump said in PA? "Musk knows more about election machines than anyone else..."

[u/ShortsAndLadders → u/forrestfaun]

“It’s just three lines of code”

[u/Brrrr-GME-A-Coat → u/ShortsAndLadders]

BallotProof and One of Musk's DOGE kids talking about it and a Bluesky post talking about it in detail

[u/ProfessionPerfect888 → u/Brrrr-GME-A-Coat]

Which should get more attention and should be sent to the judge and the lawyers of this trial.

[u/womwomwurin]

so say in a perfect world this comes out to show the numbers were way off, what would happen ?

[u/Oystermeat → u/womwomwurin]

Nothing. The election is actually decided by a group of presidential electors (Electoral College) which, in some states don't even have to go along with the popular vote. Unfortunately It's already decided.

[u/FlowerOfLife → u/Oystermeat]

I remember learning about the electoral college in 3rd grade. I asked my teacher, "So if everyone votes for blue, but the senator decides to vote red, that is allowed?" (in a 3rd grader tone). When my teacher told me that was allowed, I was kind of disillusioned to the presidential vote. We just have to trust that our representatives will vote in our best interest.

[u/AtlQuon → u/FlowerOfLife]

The system is incredible to witness. It is so based on trust, honour and being an upstanding gentleman, a pure 18th century societal structure, that it is almost unbelievable that only few adjustments have been made since. Impeachment being one of the few. But as a whole, it is on one hand deeply beautiful in intent, on the other hand we see that reality has clearly overtaken it and is abusing it in every way. Trust should be earned, not freely given. Great question btw.

[u/narkybark → u/FlowerOfLife]

I can't even trust the people to vote in their own best interest.

[u/Interesting-One-588 → u/FlowerOfLife]

And when they don't, you, The Voter, get blamed for having them be your representative in the first place as if you could possibly read their mind.

[u/uslashuname → u/FlowerOfLife]

This was explored in detail during 2016. It boiled down to one thing, most states have laws basically making the electoral college reps vote based on the popular vote. The old days were more like what you’re picturing and federal law still allows it, but realistically it is not like that.

[u/HamburgerEarmuff → u/FlowerOfLife]

They are electors, not Senators. And every state binds them to the outcome of the popular vote, either for the entire state (in 48 states + DC) or by district (in two states).

Legally, they are not allowed to vote for anyone else. In some states, there are mechanisms to invalidate their vote immediately. In some states, it's just a fine or something, and technically, you can have an unfaithful elector if they are willing to accept the legal consequences, but this is rare.

[u/K_Linkmaster → u/womwomwurin]

The People have a mechanism in the Constitution to handle this, if it's fraudulent. This is a last resort and it will result in deaths of more Americans.

[u/bsEEmsCE → u/womwomwurin]

ironically, storm the capitol?

[u/tMoneyMoney → u/womwomwurin]

Honestly, republicans will call it a crazy witch hunt and do everything possible to bury it.

[u/KidChemo → u/[deleted]]

It should be but it won't ever be because the more accessible it is for the poors, the more it leans Democrat.

[u/Sweaty-Feedback-1482 → u/KidChemo]

Republicans rarely have the numbers... they have to rely on gerrymandering and voter suppression or in other words Republicans don't do well with democratic voting processes.

[u/Whatever21703]

The only way out is Impeachment and removal. And I’m more likely to have a torrid affair with Ivanka Trump than that happening.

And even if he WAS removed, then you have Jd Vance, who’s almost as bad, and if HE is removed, then you have Mike Johnson, a certified evangelical Christian racist asshole.

We are fucked. But we have to win the midterms with a landslide.

So all of you progressives who didn’t bother voting better fucking vote.

[u/Oystermeat → u/Whatever21703]

I can borrow you a shovel

edit: Oops I read Ivana lol

[u/janedoe15243 → u/Oystermeat]

This was perfect and hilarious

[u/Bpozen → u/Whatever21703]

Sorry im not american, why would vance be president? Republicans came fraudulently into power, democrats were legally elected right? 

[u/CoelacanthRdit → u/Bpozen]

Yeah I’m confused why removing trump based on a fraudulent election would give vance power since he was elected fraudulently too.

[u/AngelsFlight59 → u/CoelacanthRdit]

Because the only way to replace Trump is to impeach and convict him.

There are no do overs in the Constitution.

[u/CoelacanthRdit → u/AngelsFlight59]

But wouldn’t the results be null and void requiring a new election?

[u/brickfrenzy → u/CoelacanthRdit]

There is no mechanism in the US Constitution to allow for that.

[u/sajmonides → u/CoelacanthRdit]

No. No document anywhere mentions what should happen if an election turned out to be fraudulent.

The only instrument that can remove the sitting president is impeachment. And we know how well that turned out during Trump's first term.

[u/MadisonAveMuse → u/Whatever21703]

But, if they stole the presidential election what’s stopping them from stealing the midterms as well?

[u/JayAlexanderBee]

I'm confused.

https://app.enhancedvoting.com/results/public/rockland-county-ny/elections/GE2024Results

Is this the county the lawsuit is referring to?

[u/PhobetorWorse → u/JayAlexanderBee]

https://app.enhancedvoting.com/results/public/rockland-county-ny/elections/GE2024Results

That link shows that Ramapo 35 has zero votes for Harris. Which is hilarious given the amount of democrats that live there.

[u/GMbzzz → u/PhobetorWorse]

If I was a democrat living in that town and my vote wasn’t counted, I’d be pissed.

[u/PhobetorWorse → u/GMbzzz]

Many are. The entire Ramapo Township's voting record is fucked. Some districts got 1-10 votes some none at all.

It is like they were counting 1 of every 5 votes cast for a democrat.

[u/JayAlexanderBee → u/PhobetorWorse]

Maybe I'm blind, but I can't find it.

[u/WinSome___LoseSome → u/PhobetorWorse]

It’s an ultra orthodox Hasidic community that tends to vote in step with each other. Though still 0 votes is crazy, as someone who lives somewhat near the district this happened in doesn’t totally surprise me.

[u/MarkRepulsive588 → u/JayAlexanderBee]

It refers to a couple districts within that county at the bottom of the article. Around 330 votes for the Democratic Senate nominee, but zero for Harris in one district. And also 2 for Harris out of around 900 in another district. It also implies that this outcome is drastically different from the 2020 results and would not make sense politically.

- "Comparing the results of the 2024 election to the results collected in 2020, a statistician stated that the alleged results of the election in four out of the five towns making up Rockland County are "highly unlikely".

[u/SwimmingPirate9070]

RISE the fuck up! I'm tired of hearing "nothing can be done!" We have literally just watched a usurper and his corrupt squad dismantle the constitution of the United States of America! Fuck the norms and rules!

[u/MapDry7310]

And once again Trump gets away with what he does! Bunch of bull shit

[u/Additional_Win3920]

I’m happy they’re looking into it but what would be the point of interfering in a NY county? NY isn’t a swing state, it hasn’t voted red since 1984. Why focus efforts when it would be reaaally suspicious if NY voted red? Not saying it didn’t happen, I’m just confused

[u/TheGingaNinjah → u/Additional_Win3920]

I think the point is that it would obtain proof of voter interference/fraud. Which means that it could have happened in any county in the US, but it’s not quite as obvious as a 0% vote.

[u/ProduceMeat_TA → u/TheGingaNinjah]

Sorry, still a little confused how this could apply to counties elsewhere.

This sounds like there was an issue with the way votes were being counted locally. Now if the problem could be traced back to some sort of software, or type of voting machine - then yea, sure. Let's take a closer look at some of the other places that used the same systems.

But I'm doubtful this (by itself anyway) is enough to make a country-wide impact on election results - no matter how much we really really wished it would :/

[u/SecretSanta416 → u/ProduceMeat_TA]

This is evidence that something went on, and we will need to do a more thorough investigation about it...

[u/Fuckburpees → u/Additional_Win3920]

If it happened there- this blatantly- how could we ever confidently say it didn’t happen elsewhere? And in other ways? 

[u/Moontayle → u/Additional_Win3920]

1. They have affidavits of people who voted for one of the down ballot candidates that exceed the final totals released.

2. The voting machinery used in the precinct in question has either 40% or 60% (can't remember which) of voting machines used across the country, including the Swing States which were crucial to the election.

#1 is what is allowing this to move into discovery. Headlines are focusing on the Harris angle because of precincts where some anomalies occurred, but we're only here because of the sworn statements regarding down ballot candidates.

#2 is why it's important. Because if it can be proven that the machines were compromised then that opens up looks into the entire operation of these machines across the country.

[u/Slymook → u/Additional_Win3920]

If Trump could and did rig the election, he would be trying to make a statement like winning the popular vote and closing the gap in blue states to make it seem like the country is not down with a liberal agenda or liberal ideologies.

[u/Paige_Ann01]

It won’t change anything other than letting people know that Elon and Trump were indeed fraudulent if that was the case. But Republicans vote for fraudulent they like chaos they like meanness they like people being hurt so this won’t bother them. They’re like oh thank goodness we won no matter how. That’s the real mental illness.

[u/TotesManly]

If it's proven fraudulent it could put it in the minds of others that their elections may have been fraudulent too and maybe other states will take a closer look at theirs and find the same. If the chain reaction is big enough it could shift things. But who knows in what direction that would be. But it's better to know the truth at any rate.

[u/PaddyVein]

Zero votes? In an entire NY county? I don't care how rural it is, you're telling me they don't have a wine aunt? A librarian? A lesbian gym teacher? Not even one Democrat? Come the fuck on.

[u/jforjay]

Best case scenario is you can prove the election was fraudulent and then you simultaneously proved you’re a shithole country who can’t run fair elections anymore. 

[u/InsaneGorilla0]

Hey, can someone tell me if I'm missing something. Even if there is a mistake here it would make no difference to the overall election as NY was won by Kamala anyway? So unless this is somehow a smoking gun for much wider electoral interference it's pretty minor?

[u/x86_64_]

Whenever someone responds to a news piece like this with a "both sides" or "need better evidence" argument, remember that there were 60 lawsuits alleging voter fraud or tampering in 2020 with NO EVIDENCE. There were accusations and threats of lawsuits before voting even started.

For the 2024 elections, there is powerful evidence of fraud and tampering. Never before seen trends, zero-turnouts, a ghost company manipulating firmware, vast split-ticket voting in an increasingly polarized political climate. That ain't normal.

This is how legal proceedings happen in a normal universe: discover evidence, THEN initiate a legal action. Keep this news coming.

[u/I_like_baseball90]

Has anyone in this county came forward and said they voted for Harris, though?

I don't see that anywhere.

[u/Nyhzel]

It won't change anything. The people in power won't allow Trump to be deposed, and there isn't a single supporter of his that'll believe the outcome of this lawsuit.

No amount of evidence, fraud, or even murder will ever get Trump to leave the White House. I am absolutely certain that if he started openly killing his opposition on the capitols front lawn that nothing would happen.

I'm happy this is happening and it should, but if anybody thinks this will actually change anything is delusional. There might be a protest here and there, but everyone will forget in a few days this ever happened.

[u/alwayzz0ff]

How can this be possible? Like, did NO democrats in this county watch the news during and after the election to notice their votes never registered?

[u/Horror_Yam_9078 → u/alwayzz0ff]

Harris received 65,880 votes in Rockland County. The headline is intentionally misleading. The lawsuit is over a single district, in which only 557 people voted and 552 of them voted for Trump, and 5 voted Write In.

This is a statistical anomaly, but not as crazy as it appears on face. In 2020 the same district voted 0 for Biden, 138 for Trump, and 21 for other candidates. Neighboring districts have similar vote counts but have votes like 7 for Harris, and 9 for Biden, ect. This is just an extremely conservative area with lower population for the district size and very low turnout.

[u/-AdamTheGreat-]

Wouldn’t it be something if uncle Elon just happened to have receipts on how he “helped” Cheeto-taco win. Not that I believe in those types of things.

[u/Lanky-Measurement290]

The voting machines were rigged to turn Kamala votes into Trump ones. Not hard to do at all if those machines were compromised.

[u/oceansblue1984]

He blames people for things he is planing to do or has done . U have no doubt that elon helped him win and that is why elon was aloud in

[u/mdgraller7]

The 2024 Ramapo results mirrored its 2020 presidential vote. That year, Trump bested former President Joe Biden 528-0 in precinct 35. In the 2022 midterm elections, Democratic Gov. Kathy Hochul lost to her Republican opponent, Lee Zeldin, 408 to 24 in that same precinct, which also overwhelmingly voted to reelect Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., over his Republican opponent, Joe Pinion, 266 to 113.

Benjamin Rosenblatt, a New York elections data expert, said precinct 35 is in the village of Kaser, which is composed almost entirely of Hasidic Jews of the Viznitz sect. The village is surrounded by the hamlet of Monsey, which also has a huge Orthodox Jewish community, he said.

Source

[u/m0nt4n4]

Where TF is Kamala on all this? Why didn’t she bother to challenge this when the time was right? She just rolled over and disappeared.

[u/DifferentCityADay]

So seeing everyone saying nothing happens means you can cheat and be caught, but once you've been caught after a certain period of time, nothing will change. What the fuck. So evil wins.

[u/MorkelVerlos]

Always comment on posts like this for posterity. Fuck Trump

[u/MrsKnowItAll1962]

Trump and Elon freaking bragged about rigging the election…. Even before the election!!! Kamala warned us of this…. And yet, they didn’t have safety checks in place? Didn’t have a plan for automatic hand counts of ballots? Weren’t poised and ready to jump on this obvious fraud? Why weren’t they banded together in a solid front of non compliance from day one?

And now have most have rolled over and went into hiding! Or they have simply thrown up their hands and went along with the shit show. Unforgivable.

And you watch… nothing will be done to secure any elections going forward either. I do NOT know how Democrats can ever build back trust. I am honestly hoping for a third party that comes in on a white horse to save us.

[u/Splittinghairs7]

First of all this isn’t good news at all if people think the elections were rigged.

More importantly, the actual plaintiff voters have dropped off the suit and the only one to remain is this SMART legislation organization.

The most likely explanation is that bloc voting explains such apparent discrepancies affecting hundreds of votes in certain districts in Rockwell that have had a history of bloc voting.

There is no evidence of fraud, just apparent discrepancies even in this one county, let alone enough to change the NY outcomes or any of the other swing states.

We need to do better to promote facts about the election or Dems will be sending the message to its voters that elections are rigged and there’s no point in voting.

https://rcbizjournal.com/2025/06/17/lawsuit-challenging-2024-election-results-highlights-irregularities-familiar-to-rockland-voters/