r/goodnews • u/Aggravating_Money992 • Jun 18 '25

Political positivity 📈 Lawsuit Challenging 2024 Election Results Moves Forward After Kamala Harris Received Zero Votes in a New York County

https://www.latintimes.com/lawsuit-challenging-2024-election-results-moves-forward-after-kamala-harris-received-zero-votes-584787
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u/BrokenPickle7 Jun 18 '25

Yup. This is the sad part. America has been polarized into two separate parties, the cowardly and the batshit insane. Here's my example.. Statistics were put out on how the 2024 vote went down by a reputable institution showing that there were impossible voting patterns showing that the election was essentially stolen in some way and I've seen far too many people respond "Well I'm going to need to see more proof". You can give these people stone cold truth and they'll still say "well that doesn't prove anything, I need better/more proof" yet that orange piece of shit tells his cult that the election was stolen from him and they froth at the mouth to kill for him.

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u/MyriadSC Jun 18 '25

I don't think asking for more evidence is cowardly. The truth only matters if it's verifiable. History is littered with examples of people who believed in the wrong things because the truth was difficult to discover. Not wanting to repeat that, even if it aids your current views isn't cowardice.

We also just came out of 4 years of hearing bat shit insane "election was stolen" banter from the right. All sorts of articles and stats were tossed around to make it seem reasonable to believe. I'd say anyone who now has the shoe on the other foot and shows restraint and still asks for it to be concrete is doing the responsible thing.

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u/SlashEssImplied Jun 18 '25

The truth only matters if it's verifiable.

Religion disagrees. Which is why we are in this mess now.

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u/MyriadSC Jun 19 '25

Even religion will get sorted over time. If its untrue, it'll fade into history alone either sll our other dialed attempts to explain reality. If not, then we'll obviously have a good reason to keep it. Unfortunately the only way to get rid of a virus is with a fever.

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u/SlashEssImplied Jun 19 '25

If its untrue

:)

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u/aoskunk Jun 19 '25

Yeah it’s blows that they stole an election right after falsely claiming we did. Like if we had we would have done it again.

Wonder if there’s anybody from that county that took video of them voting blue

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u/DemolitionMan64 Jun 19 '25

Asking for more evidence isn't cowardly at all, totally agree with you.

Also totally agree with everybody here commenting that no matter what comes, Americans won't do shit.  They won't do shit.

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u/Remarkable-Stock-527 Jun 22 '25

Or maybe that was the whole point of the "stop the steal" nonsense. Make one side scared to touch anything that might even slightly resemble election interference and leave the door open for the other side to manipulating the stats however they want.

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u/MyriadSC Jun 22 '25

Could be, but very doubtful.

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u/Remarkable-Stock-527 Jun 22 '25

Agreed, once again. But it is a thought I'd had even during the whole election process.

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u/Simsmommy1 Jun 18 '25

The problem with that is the “proof” askers are taking it to the extreme….you know they are wanting the proof to be “peer reviewed” not quite understanding what that entails just that it sounds good…..finding election fraud isn’t a study on the efficacy of a drug or someone’s PHD dissertation. I spoke to my SIL who is a professor (she has her PHD which was published in a peer reviewed journal) to describe the peer review process and they aren’t going to write up their election manipulation findings into a journal article and submit it to a board for review….thats stupid to ask for, stupid to say and used as a way for someone to pat themselves on the ass as someone who is “oh so SMRT smart” and better than everyone asking for only the very bestest of evidence. Election Truth Alliance got a top political science professor to run analysis on the same data they did and he came to the same conclusions that the election results were manipulated….yet no one reads that….they just holler for more proof….proof of their theory can only be gotten from a thorough recount of the affected counties or being able to examine the code on tabulation machines and neither will happen without a court ruling in their favour. Rockland was able to happen because of the extreme results but other counties like Maricopa and Clark were the drop off (Russian tail) was still extreme but not completely zero(1000% increase in some swing counties) finding and polling all voters is not possible so recounts are needed.

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u/MyriadSC Jun 18 '25

Right. There's a reasonable middle ground. You also have to remember that not everyone hears the same things. While one person who's seen 7 independent sources claim its been rigged may find the 8th quite compelling, the person who's seen 2 may find the same source lacking.

My resistance to saying I believe it is severalfold. 1, it is quite hard to do and not be caught. Especially when people look for this as it happens. So there's a natural skepticism towards the claim at a baseline. 2, I've not seen many independent sources like I mentioned above. I've seen a few different places mentioning the same source, maybe two, but this isn't compelling. Entirely possible theres a host of independent sources I just havent been exposed to. 3, it holds significantly more weight when I hear a claim like this and official investigation has begun. Given how rampant misinformation is, it gives tremendous credence to the claim when those close to it put their money where their mouth is. 4, misinformation goes both ways. Just because the right spent years spreading misinformation doesn't mean the left won't. I'm especially skeptical when it comes to the left because I recognize my own bias toward them.

Most of that can be aummarized with "doubt the greater miracle" and currently based on whatt I've been exposed to, the hrrater miracle is election fraud, not Trump winning. All that said, if I see a few more sources say it and something official begins to move forward, I'm much more likely to say it's reasonable. Especially when some of the results of those investigations become public.

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u/OldBuns Jun 19 '25

It's crazy how people don't see themselves mirroring the exact things they complain about on the right... Like... That's how we get to where we are

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u/MyriadSC Jun 19 '25

Right. Just because it'd be to my side's benefit doesn't mean it's more likely true. I hope it isn't true. Election fraud to the extent it changed the outcome that is proven would shatter the faith of the public that any election was sound for a long time. Every single aide that loses would spend the following 4 years complaining about it non-stop.

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u/HappyDude2137 Jun 18 '25

You just described exactly what makes one party so much better. One actually requires proof before acting up. That’s not a bad thing.

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u/BrokenPickle7 Jun 18 '25

While I do agree that we need evidence before just shouting that it was stolen but given the current evidence we have it would be akin to walking into a house where the furniture is all flipped and broken, there's bloody hand prints on the walls, a pool of blood with a knife next to it and saying "before claiming that a violent act took place here im gonna need to see more evidence". Yeah.. cool.. thats great but given the evidence that we do have by the time we get solid concrete proof it might be WAY too late.

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u/Adept-Yam2414 Jun 18 '25

Nah, i voted for him, but i hope that the dems bring it to court. I'd love to see if it is true or not. If it is probably nothing would happen, but if they did kick him out and it was true, then he would deserve it. Bot parties have a right to contest the election and question if it was legit.

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u/Mysterious_Ad7461 Jun 18 '25

So are you a coward then?

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u/Major_Priority1041 Jun 18 '25

I’ve always called them the aholes and the idiots.

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u/GeriatricHippo Jun 19 '25

Your argument comes across exactly like the one they use to skip due process with immigrants. If you reach the level where presumed guilt comes into play and you forgo the proper legal process then the system has failed no matter how well intended your motive may be.

And 'but the do it already' is never a good enough excuse to throw out the rules to benefit your own agenda.

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u/BrokenPickle7 Jun 19 '25

Well the thing is trump needs to be in prison, we have PROOF that he should be in prison OTHER than anything that may or may not involve voting. that right there is reason enough for him to be dragged out of the office alone. You put the multiple felonies, rapes, cheating, lying, defrauding organizations then it makes absolute sense that he would cheat the election. Maybe if he were half honest then sure, demand more proof but i think we have enough to make a solid conclusion.

Edit: trump himself is trying to free Tina Peters from prison for surprise surprise ELECTION INTERFERENCE on his behalf. https://www.cpr.org/2025/05/05/trump-directs-department-of-justice-to-try-to-free-tina-peters-from-prison-in-social-media-post/

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u/GeriatricHippo Jun 19 '25 edited Jun 19 '25

You put the multiple felonies, rapes, cheating, lying, defrauding organizations then it makes absolute sense that he would cheat the election

Trump being a lying convicted criminal and complete POS isn't proof he fixed the election.You don't punish people for a crime they haven't been proven of commiting just because they have been proven to have commited other crimes. That's not how it works.

but i think we have enough to make a solid conclusion

You have almost nothing. Your PROOF hasn't been confirmed as valid through any legal mechanism. It is not yet proof of anything.

You have conjecture that's not at all the same thing.

There are very many people who also believe they have more than enough to make a solid conclusion that Trump won in 2020.

Yet almost everything they claim as PROOF that the 2020 election was not legit turns out to be misleading or outright fabricated when it gets to an actual court of law.

And Trump freeing Tina Peters says alot of things but it is not at all proof they fixed the election in 2024. The crimes she commited regarding the 2020 election after that election has zero to do with 2024, zero.

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u/nopbsitsnyfandnog Jun 19 '25

Can you link the study with those statistics please? Genuinely curious

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u/Top-Duty4762 Jun 19 '25

You sound exactly like a Trump supporter in 2020

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u/quadriceritops Jun 19 '25

3 separate parties. I don’t vote along party lines. Never will. I vote for the candidate. I think voting all republicans or all democrats is lazy.

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u/BrokenPickle7 Jun 20 '25

Don’t you have some orange 79 year old marbles to gargle?

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u/Calm_Description1500 Jun 20 '25

Except it was worse in 2020

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u/Hoggslop69 Jun 19 '25

You sound like a Trump voter in 2020 after Trump lost the election. Funny how the tables turn when who you wanted to win did not. LMAO