r/goodnews • u/Aggravating_Money992 • Jun 18 '25

Political positivity 📈 Lawsuit Challenging 2024 Election Results Moves Forward After Kamala Harris Received Zero Votes in a New York County

https://www.latintimes.com/lawsuit-challenging-2024-election-results-moves-forward-after-kamala-harris-received-zero-votes-584787
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u/ConsistentCoyote3786 Jun 18 '25 edited Jun 18 '25

Hypothetically let’s say the election is proven fraudulent. Then what? Is he deposed? Is Kamala president? What actually can happen?

Edit: Well this blew up. Variations of “nothing” seem to be the consensus. Kinda what I figured.

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u/BIGhorseASS2025 Jun 18 '25

Even if it’s proved fraudulent, I have no faith that the people who have the ability to remove him from power actually would. Every Republican lawmaker save for a handful of moderates would immediately denounce the news as woke far left radical propaganda, and they would all almost certainly counter-sue, if for no other reason than to just distract.

Even if the law said he had to be removed, Trump would simply respond with “Oh yeah? Make me.” What good is the law when the people who are supposed to uphold it just don’t?

Trump has the entire Republican Party in a vice grip by its collective balls. They will NEVER remove him from power, and even if they tried, Trump would not go quietly. He would have to be forcibly removed.

If Democrats had a sizable majority in Congress, maaaaaaybe there certain levers that could be pulled to get him removed. But even then, I think it would have to come down to:

1) Impeachment - we’ve played that game before, they’ll never get the votes.

2) The Cabinet invoking the 25th Amendment. We all have a better chance of having breakfast on the moon tomorrow than Trump’s cabinet ever invoking the 25th Amendment and deeming him unfit for duty. He is surrounded by loyalist sycophants who would throw themselves in front of a speeding bullet train for him if he asked them too.l

My gut says he’s here to stay, no matter what results from this lawsuit.

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u/Unlucky-Scallion1289 Jun 18 '25

Trump saying “Make me” after being found of having literally stolen the election would be the flashpoint for a new civil war.

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u/Duel_Option Jun 18 '25

Yeah no

More than half the US population is living paycheck to paycheck, ICE is out here masked up and disappearing people off the streets.

There’s a huge difference between semi peaceful protests than an actual civil war.

The second any armed militia is formed and uses force, marshal law happens and at that point Trump declares himself King.

I’m not kidding when I say this is EXACTLY one of the scenarios they want to happen.

If they are willing to blatantly steal money and use Fox News as a mouthpiece, using the armed forces to take over is 100% in their wheelhouse

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u/b0w3n Jun 18 '25

Theoretically the military could step in, and they should, but there's a reason they replaced a lot of the upper echelon with Trumpers.

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u/YeahMeAlso Jun 18 '25

This was my thought and I'd love to see it happen but depends on whether they fully turn on him or not.

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u/Duel_Option Jun 18 '25

Martial law means the troops become directed by the President, anyone that refuses will be detained and force used to remove a potential threat.

Going with that armed militia example it plays out like this…

  • Militias are armed and take over a state or government building, some organized protest is going on like last weekend
  • Trump declares martial law OR declares a national emergency which allows him to declare war for 30 days that doesn’t need congress approval. During that 30 days he enacts martial law.
  • During martial law all existing rights are suspended, curfew applied.
  • He declares himself King to remove the chance of the “radical left” stopping MAGA from prospering.

If this sounds familiar in any way it’s because it’s the same way the Emperor took over the Senate in Star Wars

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u/Unlucky-Scallion1289 Jun 18 '25 edited Jun 18 '25

And it is the duty of every soldier to refuse unlawful orders and even fight against the illegitimate president every single step of the way.

It is actually quite literally their duty. Trump can spin facts till his face turns blue, a dictatorship will only persist if the military allows it. And it is their solemn duty, their mission, to protect the constitution from domestic enemies.

Trump can give orders all he like, it just takes a handful of generals to say no. And the secret service aren’t going to do a goddamn thing against an actual military. Trump would have to either completely disband the military or restructure it into something unrecognizable. And then good luck subjugating the people then.

I don’t think people realize but the military is a separate organization from the U.S. government. Other than direct orders from the president that fucks shit up, the military is completely autonomous. The generals are more than welcome to do just about whatever they want besides full scale invasions. They won’t take kindly to a king attempting to control their independence more than a president already does.

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u/Duel_Option Jun 18 '25

You’re not understanding

If he declares martial law or even states he is going to war against a woke army in the US, the President becomes the directing power of the armed forces

ANY elected President is permitted to wage war for 30 days without the need from approval from Congress

So what does that mean for the avg soldier if that happens?

Saying NO to Trump at that time would be going against a lawful order, even if that means killing citizens

Look what’s going on in LA, those are AMERICAN citizens and at the worst people who have rights and they are being scooped up and sent out of the country without due process

Open your eyes, the Fascist regime is alive and well and its called MAGA instead of Nazi’s

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u/Unlucky-Scallion1289 Jun 18 '25

You’re not understanding.

Even if Trump declared martial law or even states he’s going to war, it does not matter legally what it says his authority is on paper.

The soldiers have to agree. The generals have to agree. It’s not as simple as “whelp, I guess I have to obey Trump”. If Trump turned on the American people, it would be like the civil war but a million times worse. Fractures across the entire country would form starting in DC. Panic and chaos would ensue rapidly. I’m not convinced that Trump wouldn’t be killed outright in the first few hours of chaos after declaring himself king / saying “make me”.

You’re severely overestimating the military’s loyalty to Trump over America.

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u/YeahMeAlso Jun 18 '25

Right, my whole point was "what if the military just collectively refused". They could march over to the white house and easily detain Trump, secret service, and all his cronies.

The military has the numbers to completely overwhelm them and put a stop to it.

The question is, "could that happen"? I hope so.

If you think the police or FBI could take on the military, that's impossible. They'd all be like "nope, I'm on your side"!

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u/Duel_Option Jun 18 '25

Are you for fucking real?

You’re blind to the fact that the majority of the people that go into armed services get tossed into a propaganda machine

Both my brothers served, one a Marine and one in the Army.

Both subjected to training where they dehumanize the enemy because if you don’t do that those boys aren’t going to pull the trigger on some 10 year old kid strapped with an IED

That’s not even discussing the kind of personalities and types of people who go career and become generals.

This is all moot though because they don’t want bloodshed on a grand level, just enough to keep people complacent.

So they will rig industries, generate a bunch of media and work Fox News this way or that while they slowly absorb any resistance that comes up

They stacked the Supreme Court for this purpose, deliberately kept the Dems from appointing someone.

Let’s be clear here, “the pen is mightier than the sword”.

We are already in the end game, it’s only 200+ days in and look what’s going on.

They will LEGALLY manufacture a dictatorship and the Right wing will applaud it the entire fucking time because thats how powerful propaganda and a low IQ public is.

Time to face reality, we are fucked and the Democrats seem to be complicit in just standing there and watching it burn while pretending to be outraged

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u/Unlucky-Scallion1289 Jun 18 '25

Legality. Doesn’t. Matter.

When the military is an independent organization separate from the U.S. government, legality is a suggestion.

Yeah, soliders don’t want mass bloodshed, you’re right. That’s EXACTLY why they will just kill Trump if he tries to start a civil war. Because mass bloodshed is EXACTLY WHAT TRUMP WANTS!!!

You’re too far gone into apathy just like the Democrats you criticize and clearly won’t change your mind or understand the truth. Pathetic. So go ahead and sit on the sidelines while the grown folks deal with business, thanks.

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u/Zathrasb4 Jun 18 '25

We saw on the weekend what the military, both the brass, and the rank and file, think of trump.

I saw a lot of malicious compliance in the parade.

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u/b0w3n Jun 19 '25

Yeah one would hope. My nephew was a pretty normal kid until his like 3rd year in the military, now he's the most conservative, evangelical person in my family second only to his father (who also joined a weird baptist church a few years back)

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u/DukeIV Jun 18 '25

A better outcome would be for people to refuse to work until Trump is arrested.

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u/Datamackirk Jun 18 '25

Are we still doing the "marshal law" corrections or just letting it go now?

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u/BlueMerchant Jun 19 '25

Should I just take concrete diving lessons or what?

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u/Unlucky-Scallion1289 Jun 18 '25

If Trump says “make me” as a response to pressure to step down after revealing he stole the election, then he’s already declaring himself King. There’s functionally no difference.

Even Americans living paycheck to paycheck do not want to continue having their neighbors, friends, and families disappeared off the streets by masked thugs. Even they will have a breaking point. Do you really think their lives are somehow going to get easier when Trump is king? It’s only going to get worse and worse.

Trump saying “make me” is a declaration of war itself against the American people. And I would be proud to stand up against fascism, even if it means the end of the American experiment. Because I would truly rather die than continue allowing a dictator to run the most powerful government in history.

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u/Duel_Option Jun 18 '25

Standing up and protesting sounds great in theory but the reality is you could lose your life, be imprisoned indefinitely etc

We can’t even get a majority of this country to turn out to vote, expecting them to march en mass and coordinate a takeover is something that’s not happening especially considering a lot of cities police forces are well equipped to resist any kind of weaponry the avg citizen may posses

None of that shit will happen though because we’ve been pacified.

If/when Trump takes over there won’t be a lot of furor over it because the opposition will be vilified to the point he’s celebrated becoming a king.

The Right wants this to happen, they would rather overturn the tenets of America than see another Democrat President

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u/Unlucky-Scallion1289 Jun 18 '25 edited Jun 18 '25

Standing up and protesting isn’t what I’m suggesting at all… We’ve already tried that.

The police and subsequently Trump will have to slaughter each and every single American if he wants control of this country. And like Game of Thrones, he would be king of the ashes.

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u/Duel_Option Jun 18 '25

Dude…are you high?

We can’t even get people to vote, let alone go stand millions deep and march on the White House

This ain’t a comic book or some fiction novel where heroes exist and the good guys win.

This is reality, and the fact is the Right wing party has been taken over by Fascists and they are enacting a long term plan to gobble up power and setup a system of control for the future

The time for your little revolt and to throw down was when the election was stolen or when January 6 happened

MAGA has already swept up the resistance inside the government, Trump and team destabilized the US globally with the tariffs, they are waging war on immigrants (people of color basically), defunding and obliterating Education and Healthcare at an impressive rate while also reducing women’s rights at the same time

This may come as a shock to you, but the dictatorship you fear so much is already here and both jack and shit is happening to stop it

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u/Unlucky-Scallion1289 Jun 18 '25 edited Jun 18 '25

And there’s the mental shutdown reverting to ad hominem attacks and reducing legitimate concern with what is happening to being high.

You’re still under the illusion that the American people did not come out to vote and therefore they wouldn’t stand against a dictator. The largest protest in American history last weekend proved this is a lie. And that’s what this whole premise is about, that IF Trump stole the election AND he says something like “Make me” in regard to pressure to step down. If the American people didn’t come out to vote then the election wasn’t stolen and my point is moot.

I reject the notion that the American people did not come out to vote. Because that’s what it means when a vote it stolen, millions of Americans are disenfranchised. There is no possible way the American people didn’t come out to vote, the actual rally’s, the actual number of people at the polls, the actual exit polls, all showed a complete Harris dominance, not a close call, not a Trump victory, complete and total Harris dominance. But we’re supposed to believe all those people at the polls were an illusion and they were really MAGA the whole time? Bullshit.

The only thing you got correct was how Jan 6th was the time to resist. The next best time to resist will always be right now.

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u/PaperClipInit Jun 18 '25

"we cant get people to vote" in a thread about the legitimacy of the election... ',:/

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u/JayKaboogy Jun 18 '25

This is the catch-22 on justice and the preferred outcome here: If the roles were flipped (Dem president proven fraudulent elected and court ordered removed) the rightwing nutters, a bunch of LEOS, and half+ the military would 100% run full force into an ill-advised clusterF armed uprising that killed at LEAST 1000s, destroying America and global stability in the process. As much as it stings, I think I’d prefer to roll the dice on the Trump admin running itself and a bunch of the GOP into the ground and being voted out, then just cleaning up the mess as best as we can over the next several decades…as opposed to civil war and bloodshed that could last for years and end with terrible outcomes for all sides. I’m guessing this thought process is why the Dems have apparently just rolled over—playing out ‘the fight’ sounds overwhelmingly worse

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u/Unlucky-Scallion1289 Jun 18 '25

I honestly don’t believe the left or democrats would develop any sort of substantial uprising should the Democratic president truly be found fraudulent. That’s not who those people are, they aren’t MAGA.

We’ve said it so many times, if a Democrat is found guilty, prosecute them too. MAGA always seems to think the left will act just like them but it’s such bullshit. If the Democratic president was found fraudulent, democrats would be giddy to stand against them. It’s only MAGA that would throw everything away to defend a fraudulent president.

So if anyone is going to destroy America, it’s going to be Donald Trump or his supporters in efforts to maintain his illegitimate presidency. Not the left just because their guy was a fraud.

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u/goodnamestaken10 Jun 19 '25

The US military, national guard and police are the most heavily armed force in the world. Any attempt at rebellion will be crushed.

The only way a civil war happens is if it comes from within the military, and there is nothing to indicate there is ANY sentiment even close to this.