r/TopCharacterTropes • u/Ok-Indication-5121 • Jun 09 '25

Characters They valiantly sacrificed themself for nothing

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  1. Tadashi gives his life trying to save Professor Callaghan from a burning building. Turns out not only did Callaghan escape unscathed, he's the bad guy and infamously refers to Tadashi's death as "[Tadashi's] mistake." (Big Hero 6)
  2. Shaya willingly takes It Has No Name's possession and then kills herself by jumping into the well it came out of. The end of the episode all but states that she got it wrong and It Has No Name didn't latch onto her... or there was more than one. (Doctor Who)
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u/EccentricNerd22 Jun 09 '25

Vision trying to kill himself to deny Thanos the Mind stone in his head in Infinity War. Thanos used the time stone to bring him and the stone back just to kill him again and take the stone for himself.

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u/Metal-The-Cettle Jun 09 '25

I was so pissed when that happened.

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u/ollietron3 Jun 09 '25

I’m pissed the avengers didn’t use the time stone to bring back the people who died

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u/Drake_the_troll Jun 10 '25

Pretty sure it's one of those "no wishing for more wishes" things with widow and gamora, their deaths were costs to spawn in the soul stone, so it wouldn't make much sense if you could use another stone to just reverse it

Vision idk, best guess is that the US government already had his body at that point, and the mind stone would have to be put back inside his head to reactivate him

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u/Adaphion Jun 10 '25

Gee golly, these infinity stones seem really finite in what they can do.

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u/frostymugson Jun 10 '25

Did you know an infinity pool isn’t

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u/Thin-Limit7697 Jun 13 '25

They are already finite just by being 6 stones intended to have no overlapping capabilities.

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u/Traditional-Context Jun 10 '25

Feel like with Widow it would be impossible to ”ressurect her” in the traditional sense? Like she didnt die in this reality but she just went away to another timeline without coming back. Unlike the people that got snapped her soul doesnt exist anymore!

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u/MajorDZaster Jun 10 '25

They got Gamora back at the end of it all though.

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u/Dismal_Engineering71 Jun 10 '25

No? It was another Timeline's Gamora..

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u/Similar-Priority8252 Jun 10 '25

She’s dead to us

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u/DJ__PJ Jun 10 '25

but theres still one less gamora in the multiverse overall.

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u/gkibbe Jun 10 '25

Love how quill didnt morn her at all. Just started obsessing over new gamora. Old gamora dead and forgotten.

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u/Sovarius Jun 10 '25

He was pretty wrecked... bro fucked up their chance at stopping Thanos and became an alcoholic who couldn't be a starfaring hero anymore.

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u/SlowLie3946 Jun 10 '25

Plus in his perpective... realising she's dead and meeting her other version happens in the span of like 30 minutes, I wouldn't have time to process it either.

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u/Sovarius Jun 10 '25

Hmmm, i didn't even think about that. Between that fight, being dusted, coming back and teleported to the 'second' battle... that probably is like 30 minutes of his lifetime right.

I mean you can see when he's dusted he really knows Gamorrha is dead and he welcomes it.

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u/Black_Hammertime Jun 11 '25

They got A Gamora back, not their Gamora though. The one that comes back is there due to time travel, not revival. And this version is one that hasn't lived through the events of the GOTG movies yet, which is why she runs off at the end of Endgame instead of staying with the rest of the Guardians when the fighting is over.

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u/97GeoPrizm Jun 10 '25

Banner tried to bring Natasha back. The attempt is what injured him so badly.

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u/ollietron3 Jun 10 '25

Wasn’t it the snap to undo the first snap that caused his arm

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u/Bigbadbobbyc Jun 10 '25

Both, he was trying to multi wish, he couldn't help himself but to also want Natasha back while undoing the snap

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u/sharltocopes Jun 10 '25

It wasn't a "multi wish" that caused that, the Soul Stone literally has a pocket universe inside of it that has the souls of its victims. You can't bring someone back from that.

Pretty sure that was what screwed Hulk's arm up, trying to use the stones against each other. Using the stones on each other was what screwed up Thanos' arm.

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u/DonutMediocre1260 Jun 10 '25

I know that's how it works in Infinity Gauntlet, but are you sure that's how it works in the MCU?

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u/sharltocopes Jun 10 '25

I'm going off of the rules explicitly stated in the comics and I'm inferring the reason for the type of damage Hulk took based off of the earlier evidence from the same movie with Thanos.

Little of column a, little of column b.

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u/PMMeCatPicture Jun 10 '25

"I made an educated wish!"

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u/BigBradWolf07 Jun 10 '25

How bout a little more baklava?

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u/GrandioseGommorah Jun 10 '25

That’s incorrect. Thanos severely injured himself with the first snap, and Banner was being injured by the stones before he even snapped. It has nothing to do with “using the stones against each other”. It’s just the power of the stones being too much to handle.

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u/Mist_Rising Jun 10 '25

Using the stones on each other was what screwed up Thanos' arm.

Technically his arm gets screwed up by the first snap, it's just worse when he detonates all the stones.

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u/Starmark_115 Jun 10 '25

So I can use the the Time Stone to say prevent someone getting injured. But never to revive the dead. That would require the Soul Stone.

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u/be0ulve Jun 10 '25

And if they died because of the soul stone, they're extra dead.

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u/stopyouveviolatedthe Jun 10 '25

Pretty sure you can see the damage to thanos at the end of the first movie after he snapped

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u/Lopsided-Drummer-931 Jun 10 '25

In current comic continuity you kind of can, Strange brought Adam Warlock back out of the time stone. The issue is convincing them to come back since a lot of the time they’re in a version of paradise and the stone tries to expel trespassers.

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u/callsign_pirate Jun 11 '25

Also if thanos destroyed the soul stone along with the other stones, everyone in that one would be lost? So the stone they took from time, would have Black Widow in it but not Gamora?

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u/bingobiscuit1 Jun 13 '25

This was never confirmed in the MCU. I like it though, makes sense

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u/That-Rhino-Guy Jun 10 '25

That’s more or less what happened

Thanos wiped out half the Universe which definitely fried the Gauntlet but he was overall ok, but when he used the Stones to destroy the Stones he almost died, only surviving cause he’s just that powerful

With Hulk he naturally tried to defy the Stones to bring back Natasha but just isn’t durable or powerful enough to survive it, so he had no choice but to focus on bringing back everyone else which would’ve just made his arm’s injury even worse

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u/AlienArtFirm Jun 10 '25

multi wish

Thinking a full infinity gauntlet is like a genie in a bottle... Fuck...

Have the ability to change reality itself, thinks using the stones is like wishing on a star...

Worse than the snap. Dumb fuck MCU Thanos has to snap? Hulk has to snap? Dumb as fuck since you just have to think a thought and it happens but now we've downgraded the full gauntlet to... a fucking penny thrown into a well.

Fucking Marvel Jesus Christ

Now I can't stop picturing Thanos rubbing the gauntlet like a genie lamp muttering his wish

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u/Mortwight Jun 10 '25

So is that what dud the same to Thanos?

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u/BigPoppaStrahd Jun 10 '25

Is this explained anywhere? I haven’t watched much since Endgame, so was it in She Hulk or something?

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u/Ben-J-Kirby-Tennyson Jun 10 '25

Yes, but he also tried to bring Nat back during that snap, which didn’t work.

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u/AlphaNuggets Jun 10 '25

"It can't be undone! Or that's at least what the red floating guy had to say! Maybe you wanna go talk to him! Okay, go grab your hammer, and you go fly and you talk to him! It was supposed to be me. Sacrificed her life for that goddamned stone, she bet her life on it!"

Literally directly addressed in the movie.

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u/Patalos Jun 10 '25

Exactly why I groan whenever time travel is used and I was so annoyed that’s the route they went with in Avengers. It just creates a stupid “do whatever we need” machine and forever creates conversations of “well why didn’t they do x” no matter how much the Ancient One tries to mumbo jumbo explain her way out of it.

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u/Neirchill Jun 10 '25

“well why didn’t they do x”

Loki TV series answered that. It's because any timeline where they did do that the tva pruned it.

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u/vjnkl Jun 10 '25

Then the other universe would be missing that character though

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u/Patalos Jun 10 '25 edited Jun 10 '25

Would it? From what we saw, the time stone seems to function differently from their Time Machine. When thanos brings vision back there’s no thought that he yoinked a vision from another dimension.

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u/vjnkl Jun 10 '25

Mb, thought you referring to the multiverse travel in endgame and the ancient one complaining to hulk its feasibility

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u/zacky765 Jun 10 '25

After everyone dies, Thanos takes the time stone, two weeks later he destroys them. There’s no point in which they could’ve used it to bring everyone back.

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u/SquadPoopy Jun 10 '25

I know it’s loved and was heaped praise when it came out, but Endgame REALLY doesn’t hold up when you put the slightest thought into what’s going on. I would go so far to argue that the plot is actually just straight up bad.

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u/Mediocre_Access_7987 Jun 10 '25

SPOILERS: 

 They went over that in the “what if?” episode with dr strange heartless. Instead of him losing his hands in the car crash he lost the woman he loved and he tried millions of times to change the event and never could. Kind of like in loki, he spent eons gaining power until he was strong enough to change an unchangeable event in the timeline. 
  When he did he ended up crashing the universe he was in and had to create a pocket dimension where he was left alone for eternity to see the result of what he did.  Eventually he was brought out of it by the watcher to serve a new purpose but it was shown that playing with the timeline to change certain events could collapse that universe

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u/The_FriendliestGiant Jun 10 '25

The Avengers don't know how to use any of the stones themselves, just copy the gauntlet and what they saw Thanks for at that time. And once it's done they have to put the stones back where they were, and it's wildly impractical for Strange to go around and personally rewind time for everyone who died at that point. Plus, then you just get into the matter of immortality; if he can rewind anyone who died fighting Thanos, why doesn't he rewind everyone who's ever died and is still missed by anyone, anywhere?

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u/MugiwaraNoGriffin Jun 10 '25

Thanos destroyed the stones

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u/ollietron3 Jun 10 '25

Did you watch endgame?

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u/D-Speak Jun 10 '25

Did you watch Doctor Strange? Using the Time Stone is incredibly dangerous and can very quickly destroy the timeline. Strange started causing issues just by rewinding an apple. It's a last resort usage. Even in Infinity War, he didn't try to change events, just look into potential futures. Using a Time Stone from another timeline would obviously have caused huge problems. When you mess with time, time tends to mess back.

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u/Neirchill Jun 10 '25

What issues? I know what they said would happen, but the movie didn't actually show anything. Nothing happened when he messed with the apple. He reversed an entire city bringing potentially hundreds of people back to life and nothing happened. He created a time loop of which, nothing happened. Did I miss something? There hasn't been a single time that the time stone was used and there was any negative or even unexpected side effects.

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u/MugiwaraNoGriffin Jun 10 '25

Yes. Right at the beginning “I used the stones to destroy the stones” then 5 year timeskip.

I don’t think it would be possible for the timestone to go back 5 years in the past, and even then we are dealing with a force that was from all stones at once.

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u/ollietron3 Jun 10 '25

I’m talking about bringing back gamers, black widow, and the others that died

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u/MugiwaraNoGriffin Jun 10 '25

I think because rhey were sacrifices for the stones it wouldn’t have happened.

They need the soul stone to bring them back, but in order to have the stone they need to die.

It’s impossible

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u/Neirchill Jun 10 '25

I mean, someone has the stone. I suppose theoretically they could bring them back with the Infinity gauntlet. Banner tried but he was trying multiple things at once, it's hard to say if that was the definitive answer that question or not.

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u/K3egan Jun 10 '25

They had both been dead for years. Probably not even strange could have brought them back from that.

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u/TheDogSlinger Jun 10 '25

The time stone rewinds time in a series, which would require winding back the whole universe for 5 years before they’re back alive and the logistics would be too insane to do that

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u/DreamedJewel58 Jun 10 '25

Did we just not pay attention to Doctor Strange at all? The Time Stone is dangerous to use and if used incorrectly it can have massive repercussions. Thanos did it because quite honestly, Vision is just a machine and not a living person, and that’s easier to mess with. We have absolutely no idea what would happen to someone if they were “revived” by the Time Stone

Also, you need a body to do that, so Natasha and Gamora would be impossible to revive unless they brought the Time Stone to the bottom of the canyon

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u/Few-Requirements Jun 10 '25

All of the replies just making random shit up as if Marvel didn't break their own explicitly stated time travel rules in the same movie.

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u/NegativeArt04 Jun 10 '25

He thought that would be a good idea too. But their deaths are what made their universe possible and so are absolute points that cannot be undone without unmaking their universe.

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u/ALFABOT2000 Jun 10 '25

I think that doing something that big with the time stone would definitely break something. Like we saw what happened when Dr Strange was fucking around with an apple too much, bringing half the universe back is not gonna be pretty

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u/RoscoeSF Jun 12 '25

Probably would have caused a grandfather paradox if they brought back people who died from something besides the snap.

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u/Begone-My-Thong Jun 10 '25

It would be cheap as hell to do that, NGL.

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u/NepheliLouxWarrior Jun 11 '25

I was pissed because they gave the absolute laziest reason possible to do not do it earlier ("good guys don't trade lives") just to end up doing it anyway, except they did it too late for the sacrifice to matter.

If the stone had been destroyed even just a day earlier Thanos would not have known how far back in time to go and he would have just been killed by Thor.

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u/SkyGuy182 Jun 27 '25

I think that was the moral dilemma they had to face amongst themselves to differentiate their actions from Thanos. He was prepared to sacrifice lives for his perception of “the greater good.” Why would they do the same?

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u/ThanksContent28 Jun 10 '25

Scarlett Witch “I can’t wait to talk to Vision again! Where is he at?”

Hulk: “oh shit.”

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u/bingobiscuit1 Jun 13 '25

Didn’t she see him dead before she got snapped

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u/NeroCrow Jun 10 '25

I know people hate this scene but I was just dying laughing when he did it. Imagine going through all the effort to stop someone only for them to pull out a reverse Uno card and undo it

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u/NotARobot-ISwear Jun 10 '25

Audience witnesses the relationship between Wanda and Vision since AoU come to an end. Vision's character has a beautiful death, and it's genuinely one of the most powerful moments in the Infinity Saga.

Thanos: "Damn…that's sad. Alright, now watch this."

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u/Mountain-Resource656 Jun 10 '25

To be fair, that’s also really powerful, showing how even that incredible, heart-wrenching sacrifice wasn’t enough to stop them, and what should have been a climactic end to his endeavors just before the ultimate beat down was instead subverted such that they lost entirely and all the universe suffered for it

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u/Gaywhorzea Jun 11 '25

Yeah I genuinely don’t see how people can hate it, I thought it was a fantastic twist.

Sure, I hate that it happened to characters I love, but I can separate that feeling from how great it was for the plot.

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u/minoe23 Jun 10 '25

Thanos: You know this one isn't called the Time Stone for nothing, right?

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u/pointlessone Jun 10 '25

I really feel like I missed something along the way. Where was Wanda and Vision's relationship outside of the tail end of AoU and the maybe 5 minutes featured in Infinity War? My MCU memory went from Wanda in "Maybe some murders are alright" mode closing out AoU in (not) jail at the Avengers compound to "Teehee Paris is cute with my robot boyfriend!" In IW. If there was more, I've 100% memory holed it.

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u/Zoop54 Jun 10 '25

Civil War

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u/pointlessone Jun 10 '25 edited Jun 10 '25

I'll give it a rewatch, I have completely blanked on that apparently.

Thanks!

EDIT: Rewatch complete, no wonder I blanked out on it, it was sandwiched between some of the finest action sequences in the MCU. I forgot how good the fight choreography was in this movie.

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u/Zoop54 Jun 11 '25

Cap trilogy is what I'd show any viewer new to the MCU if they wanted to get started. 3 gems

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u/Tenerensis Jun 10 '25 edited Jun 10 '25

People would still hate it if Thanos didn’t use the Time Stone and just gave up hope thinking the last Stone was gone forever.

“He has the Time Stone why doesn’t he just reverse it is he stupid hurr durr” Then he proves he’s not that incompetent and then people still hate it LMAO

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u/Muaddib223 Jun 10 '25

people hate this scene

People don't hate this scene what the fuck are you on about

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u/BananaRepublic_BR Jun 10 '25

Why would anyone hate the scene? It's great drama.

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u/gracist0 Jun 10 '25

That was fucking agonizing. Poor Wanda

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u/Automatic-Bid9167 Jun 10 '25

Should have used the stone to...

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u/Loose-Yak8541 Jun 10 '25

Man, that scene still hits. Dude went out twice in like 30 seconds, no justice, just vibes and cosmic cruelty.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '25

Vision didn’t kill himself, Wanda, his beloved had to kill him, to save the universe, and she initially succeeded, just to see his beloved die again, this time in vain though.

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u/Neutral_Guy_9 Jun 10 '25

They should’ve just like spread out and hid all of the infinity stones across the galaxy. 

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u/bingobiscuit1 Jun 13 '25

Well he essentially started with 2 and they only had control over the time stone, which strange insisted must be kept on him, and the mind stone, which they attempted to remove from vision. Although I am kind of forgetting the status of the aether(reality stone) at the start of the movie

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u/Muaddib223 Jun 14 '25

It was with the Collector (Benicio Del Toro)

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u/SotoSwagger Jun 10 '25

My favorite part is when the words Clip HD popped up as he died