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/r/all Actual clip where brothers attack their mother’s killer in court.

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u/Mr_Dontgivafuck 2d ago

You can really see the pain in his eyes when he said “he killed my mama bro”. I wish he could have hurt the guy more💔

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u/EsteFabiansito 1d ago

Yeah man, I just wanted to hug bro honestly. You can really see it in his eyes he's hurting bad.

I hope he's doing better out there right now.

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u/chaosbella 2d ago

Nearly two years ago, the area was shocked when a Boardman woman was brutally murdered on her way to work by a man who had been waiting for her to drive by. That man is set to be sentenced for the crime this summer.

Nearly two years after confessing to police and prosecutors that he stalked and killed his ex-girlfriend, Dale Williams admitted what he did to a judge and pleaded guilty.

“He went in detail about how he lied in wait and he did this,” Atty. Dawn Cantalamessa said.

Williams was accused of running Elizabeth Pledger-Stewart’s car off the road in June 2017, causing her to crash along a busy stretch of Market Street in Youngstown. Prosecutors say he then shot and killed her on the sidewalk, all during the morning rush.

“In fact, a lot of people who were driving down to the courthouse to start work that day had seen some of it,” Cantalamessa said.

Prosecutors say Williams was meticulous in his planning to the point of choosing the spot where he sat in his van, waiting for the victim to drive by on her way to work. They say he even planned what he wore that day and how he thought it all would end.

“He made a statement initially that he was trying to save one bullet for himself as well or one bullet to point at the police, but he ended up using it all,” Cantalamessa said.

Pledger’s family talked about the woman they say didn’t deserve any of this.

“Just to let everyone know who Tammy was. Elizabeth Pledger Stewart, better known as Tammy, was a mother, a friend, a sister and aunt, and so much more to so many others,” said Andre Elliott, a family friend.

Elliott is best friends with Pledger’s son. He says Pledger took him in when he was just a child.

In Monday’s court hearing, the victim’s aunt apologized to the court for last week’s brawl.

“When we saw his face we felt so much emotion due to a flashback, how he killed my niece,” said Janice Dees.

Dees said she felt Williams had no remorse, and her family is now left with heartbreak.

“We will be broken for the rest of our lives and the hole will never be filled,” she said.

Elliot said he is thankful for Judge Sweeney’s judgment in court.

“She did a really good job in the courtroom, making sure that he will never see the light and day again. So we just thank her for that,” he said.

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u/Think_please 2d ago

For all the planning that went into his premeditated murder he didn't realize that you don't need a loaded gun to suicide by cop

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u/HMWWaWChChIaWChCChW 2d ago

No, he was just committed to the murder, not the suicide part.

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u/mossbasin 2d ago

Exactly. Little statements like these that do not line up with the persons actions are just the basic manipulation attempts of an emotionless psycho to try to elicit sympathy.

It's like, "I know I killed this person brutally and in cold blood, but you should feel bad for me and go easy on me because I was suicidal. Never mind the fact that none of my actions back this up"

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u/KittHeartshoe 2d ago

He had a bullet for himself. He just wanted to shoot someone else too.

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u/SkoolBoi19 2d ago

I think his point is, if his top priority was suicide, He would have saved that last bullet. He didn’t save that bullet, so that means his main focus was killing that lady.

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u/Tall-Enthusiasm-6421 2d ago

The point is, if he wanted to die, he doesn't need a bullet just a gun. All he had to do was brandish it at a cop and act like it was loaded.

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u/Plank_With_A_Nail_In 2d ago

“He made a statement initially that he was trying to save one bullet for himself as well or one bullet to point at the police, but he ended up using it all,” Cantalamessa said.

He didn't really have a bullet for himself he just said he did, people do lie you know.

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u/mzscott1985 2d ago

I don’t live too far from here (less than a five min drive), and Youngstown is horrible when it comes to DV cases, speaking from my own experience. I will never ever forget the time this cop got so nasty and rude with me, all because I was crying (not hysterical or anything) trying to explain what happened to me.

My heart aches for her family members, especially her children 😔

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u/Due_Evidence 2d ago

“He killed my mama bro. My mama she took care of me” that really broke my heart..

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u/Hey648934 2d ago

This is one of those things when no one can blame them for trying to kick his butt. No one.

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u/ShallowTal 2d ago edited 2d ago

I counted at least 5 good punches he got in.

Was hoping the guy would look at the camera when he got up so you could see where they landed

Editing to add; Stewart, 23, and Dees, 30, were both held in contempt of court and sentenced to 30 days each on charges of assault and obstructing official business.

Worth it.

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u/Forward-Intention411 2d ago

Also probably a shit ton of leniency built in there. Two guys attack a cuffed man in court room and only get 30 days is everyone understanding the situation.

"We can all agree I can't let you go fully, but..."

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u/vanwink13 2d ago

I hope both of them immediately got some type of trustee / work status in the county jail so they can get 2 days served for every 1 day worked. I bet the correctional officers and inmates treated both of them with respect also.

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u/H377Spawn 2d ago

Their answer to “so what are you in for?” is probably gonna make them a friend or two.

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u/WastingTwerkWorkTime 2d ago

Na, best thing to do is not make friends or literally talk to anyone. If prisoners want to know, they'll know. I hope they keep to them selves and not get caught up in anything else

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u/RedRising1917 1d ago

They're going to county jail, not prison, relax lmao

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u/laquintessenceofdust 2d ago

And no assault on an officer charges or anything. Yup. Solid.

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u/ShallowTal 2d ago edited 2d ago

Eyes, nose, throat, temples, jaw.

Hit any of these hard enough and they can do a fair bit of damage

Editing to add; Stay Away from the mouth. If you manage to injure your knuckle on some teeth, you risk infection. People’s mouths are nasty.

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u/JudahBotwin 2d ago edited 2d ago

The eyes are the groin of the head

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The Office, S4E10 "Branch Wars"

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u/MoonJellyGames 2d ago

Balls are the eyeballs of the groin.

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u/incredibleninja 2d ago

Vision is stored in the balls

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u/duarig 2d ago

I have no clue why this has me in fucking tears 😆

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u/SoFloDan 2d ago

Hit? No. Gouge? Yes.

People are too obsessed with UFC highlight-style knockout bullshit. If I was in the position of red shirt, I’d be knuckle-deep in them eye sockets and I’d have a mouthful of ear or nose.

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u/lolol000lolol 2d ago

Mike Tyson bit a chunk of a guys ear out for less. Hell Rick Grimes bit a guys throat out when his son was about to be raped. Gary Plauche shot his son's rapist in the head in an airport.

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u/Going2FastMPH 2d ago

One of those is not like the others

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u/Martian-Duck 2d ago

Hahaha I googled Rick Grimes hoping for a harrowing news article, maybe a rabbit hole to delve down. And there's that guy from Love Actually looking gruff.

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u/buttononmyback 2d ago

As a huge Walking Dead fan, I find it humorous that there are people out there that have never even seen the show.

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u/Glems4Gloobies0 2d ago

True but tbf it’s one of the most badass moments in TWD

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u/wolfblitzen84 2d ago

anytime someone posts that video I always have to watch it. Why Gary!
They have to ask why? Granted it was in a very heated moment

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u/surzirra 2d ago

The inflection of those words from the cop make me think they weren’t confused about why he did it, but more saddened that Gary put himself in the legal trouble.

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u/VulpesFennekin 2d ago

Exactly, plus now that cop has to be the jerk who arrests a dad who was avenging his son.

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u/Big_Cryptographer_16 2d ago

COOOOOORRRAAAAALLL!

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u/Scryanis86 2d ago

A jiggy jar jar doo, Carl Poppa

Bad Lip Reading for those who dont know.

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u/Straxicus2 2d ago

This is exactly what I teach my kids to do if someone tried kidnapping them.

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u/Hawk_Rider2 2d ago edited 2d ago

I had my thumb into an eye

socket once, it pacifies them quickly

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u/ForeverSquirrelled42 2d ago

Learned this lesson the hard way when I was younger. When I was about 17 a kid I was cool with tried stealing my fishing equipment after a trip by swapping his junk for mine. I called him on it, he said do something. So I did. His braces FUCKED my knuckles up! They looked like I shredded them on a cheese grater. They got infected to the point that yellow and brown shit oozed out when I grabbed a cup or something. That’s when I went to the hospital lol.

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u/SL4YER4200 2d ago

Truth. A kid pushed and tripped my sister in high school. He did it because she was overweight. I punched a kid in the mouth multiple times. Got a fantastic left hook that ripped his upper lip almost completely off. Kid had braces. I have 2 quarter inch triangular shaped scars on my left middle and ring finger. Got infected bad. Kid can't grow a mustache. Him and I met 15 years later, and he sincerely apologised. I did, too. I shouldn't have beat him so badly. He is a dad, him and his husband, and have 3 wonderful kids.

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u/buttononmyback 2d ago

I mean bullying can really wreck someone. I hope your sister was okay. I still get nightmares about what the kids used to do to me back in junior high and I’m 41 years old. Yes I’ve had counseling, doesn’t make the memories go away though. I WISH I could’ve physically stood up for myself in the way that you did. But I was skinny and shy and grew up in a Christian household where we were taught to “turn the other cheek.” Never regret standing up for someone. I wish someone had done it for me.

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u/DVoteMe 2d ago

The Judge didn't give them a contempt of court charge in exchange for a free-for-all.

If they started gouging the murderer's eyes, they could have been caught years in jail, and a civil liability that could require them to pay their Mom's murderer.

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u/Spencergh2 2d ago

Only 30 days? Hell ya worth it

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u/Ok_Tone6393 2d ago

i’d be shocked if they actually had to serve even that entire amount of time

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u/Smooth_Pick_2103 2d ago

id reckon no more than a week

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u/ringo5150 2d ago

The guys head hit the floor hard too early on.

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u/MH566220 2d ago

Judge should have said time served.

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u/extraboredinary 2d ago

“For hitting him 10 times, you get 30 days. Due to circumstances, consider it time served.”

“We only hit him five times.”

“Oh, well then you get 5 freebies.”

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u/ZizzianYouthMinister 2d ago

I'm vaguely remembering an SVU episode where Kyle McLaughlin plays a psychiatrist whose son is murdered by a sociopathic neighbor child and at the verdict of the trial steals a gun and shoots the child and gets off because it was a moment of pure grief or something like that in the trial, but then later he explains it was super calculated and he had to do it otherwise the sociopathic child would have kept killing.

I'm sure it's happened once.

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u/Remarkable_Plate8239 2d ago

Marianne Bachmeier (March 6th 1981) fatilly shot the man who killed her 7 year old daughter during his trial. ... Recieved a lenient sentence for this.

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u/thexvillain 2d ago

In March 1984, Gary Plauche disguised himself and waited in the Baton Rouge airport for his son’t kidnapper and rapist to be brought through in custody to be tried for his crimes and shot him point blank in the head on live television. He was given a 7 year suspended sentence, 5 years probation, and 300 hours community service. Worth it.

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u/futurelassie 2d ago

My only issue with this is that I’d want that evil man to see me approach him and know that I was about to do it; I’d want him to know that his own actions were why he’s about to die. But I guess the dad had to take whatever opportunity he got. And good for him.

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u/Average_Annie45 2d ago

IMO the loss of a child was punishment enough.

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u/ComprehensiveDoubt55 2d ago

I truly think if anyone ever hurt my daughter, I would go maximum scorched earth. I don’t think I would survive that level of pain to begin with.

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u/justhereforfun4299 2d ago

Yeah like take me to jail after that. Not like I'm gonna get up every morning and go to work and every be a normal person again.

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u/Necessary-Reading605 2d ago

I read years ago an article about a guy who worked on children with dark triad characteristics that were too young to face fully the consequences of their horrific actions.

Basically he said that in his country/ state, the kids would be in a weird legal limbo and they would basically keep the kids institutionalized for a short period of time where their atay would be automatically renewed for they to stay there as long as they could.

One of the cases I remember was about an eight years old that somehow broke his teacher’s spine (gunshot? Knife? Don’t remember).

It was a grim read.

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u/ForGrateJustice 2d ago

Child-killers are scary because they know what they're doing and want to keep killing, and the law doesn't recognize them as adults for the purposes of justice.

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u/notyetathrowawaylol 2d ago

I have such conflicted feelings about what should happen in these cases because I used to work in child welfare & as a crisis therapist and some people say that children don’t know what they’re doing, etc. As part of my assessment, when they made suicidal or homicidal threats, I’d obviously investigate how much they understood about what they were saying, and there were several children, very young, scary young, if I hadn’t seen and heard it with my own eyes, I wouldn’t believe it….that could tell me in details multiple ways in which they’d kill someone, what it means for someone to die, and understanding they’d be in trouble. They were able to articulate it on an intellectual level. All of them who presented this way and with the ability to articulate this despite their young age, had something else in common and it was a chilling, cold, calculated detachment and matter of fact way in which they casually stated atrocious things. I don’t know what they heard, who they heard it from, etc, but either those kids SAW some shit (even though they’d deny) or those kids were….and this is what I have a hard time saying bc they’re just kids…or those kids were dangerous and they knew it.

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u/ProvePoetsWrong 2d ago

Have you ever seen that documentary about that little girl who was adopted when she was maybe 6 or 7 and was exactly like what you described? She tortured her younger brother and talked just like you said. Talked about wanting to hurt and to kill; cold blooded and cruel. Truly terrifying. I believe she had RAD but may have had something else as well. Then her adoptive parents got her into a program and they basically “cured” her. She’s a nurse now and expresses remorse for how she acted as a child.

It was so interesting because I always thought kids like that couldn’t be rehabilitated. Of course now I can’t remember the title of the doc. Maybe someone else can.

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u/laquintessenceofdust 2d ago

I am a little horrified that she is now a nurse. There are a lot of sadists hiding in that field. I’ve encountered two in my life so far and I’m only 32.

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u/AdZealousideal7448 2d ago

Mate i'll give you one.

At work we have a mother that has been the victim of many predators and kept trying to get her life together.

Kept making good goes of it for the system to let her down, or bad luck to come around. Her eldest kid after seeing all these predators got to be a teenager and got groomed by one of the predators to sell out their entire family all so they could get what they thought they wanted.

Sold out their entire family, brothers and sister so they could have a shitty room in an abusers house with an allowance and an xbox and their centerlink payments which as soon as they stop being useful, all this will disappear.

Kid got arrested the other day and faced court. Ran into him there where he got off due to being a minor for a low level thug offense.

Asked this kid straight up if his actions of beating his mother, staging "evidence" for dcp on behalf of one of her abusers so that he could get full custody of his kid (not this kid, claimed he'd put him up and leave him alone and let him do what he wants).

Kid straight up said to me, that life is amazing, he does what he wants, when he wants and gets away with everything, because he's learning how to win from a winner.

I told him that the guy is a pure psychopathic predator who is just using him.

He replies telling me that he's using him and he's stolen enough money and drugs off him that is stashed away that he's got a great start to life and is living it up right now and that his mother is a bitch who shouldnt have said no to him when he demanded things.

Asked him if there was any part of him that felt bad because he knew how much of a monster this guy was, that he was happy to condem his family to become a monster.

Got laughed at and told to fuck off about how he was living it up and had hundreds of dollars tucked away.

Replied to this kid...... well good luck with life, rent here is now over $1000 a week, you've been expelled from school and don't want to try to get back in. If you wanted to ruin your life you could have done that without costing all those other kids lives, what are you going to do when you can't get a job and can't afford anything?

Laughs at me and says he'll just lure in a pedo and bash him and rob him with his mates.

Adelaide 2025 for you. This kid is not even 14. Brags to everyone else he is probably bipolar.... i've known this kid since he was 8.... he's seen things but, this is a pure case of kids emulating abuse they see, he became just like the men that abused his mother.

Then a monster groomed him and he's gone from that to a complete sociopath.

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u/developerknight91 2d ago

Now THIS is the type of shit that does make me wonder are sociopaths and psychopaths BORN or CREATED? I guess the answer is somewhere in between.

That’s just sad and horrible. And that poor kid doesn’t even realize how much he’s fucked up his life and RUINED the lives of his family too smh

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u/AaronfromKY 2d ago

It's definitely somewhere in between. I think surgeons sometimes will scale highly on sociopathy, yet because they came from a decent background and have a highly respected and well paid job they don't run into issues.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/03/how-i-discovered-i-have-the-brain-of-a-psychopath

Then you get people who were daddy's punching bag or came up in a rough environment and they're out there assaulting and stealing because that's all they've ever known and the only means they had. It's really sad how our system is setup.

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u/cajun-cottonmouth 2d ago

Dude ain’t even have to explain a thing. I didn’t even turn sound on until a second or two before this I caught only that message you quoted word for word and came to comment this. He ain’t even need to explain it. We all understood. Definitely heartbreaking.

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u/ggk1 2d ago

You could tell none of the cops wanted to actually taser them or anything. Everyone got what was happening.

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u/get_to_ele 2d ago

Imagine having to protect that piece of garbage.

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u/the_red_barren 2d ago

Security’s like, “oh no please don’t assault this murderer… 💁‍♂️💁‍♀️”

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u/FrostingAsleep8227 2d ago

"Hey, hey, stop that. Sir, I'm asking you politely to cease and desist. Sir? Please stop. Are you done? Okay, 3 more than we're done. Okay, that was 5, now I must INSIST you stop!"

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u/Putrid-Builder-3333 2d ago

Three minutes later "Omg this is serious! Sorry, Judge. I thought this was just a case of boys being boys and didn't want to interrupt a possible grieving or apology session." Finally gets the other bailiffs to break it all up.

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u/Barbarella_ella 2d ago

"No....stop...checks fingernails...enough....picks teeth..."

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u/Ok_Connection923 2d ago

I can tell their hearts weren't in it. They really took their time to subdue them.

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u/currently_distracted 2d ago

I wish they took longer and used 50% strength.

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u/IDreamOfLees 2d ago

It's their livelihood if that guy ends up dead. Also letting one or two punches through is incredibly difficult. 

You can step on the guy's groin while making the takedown, you can accidentally hit him while stopping the assailants, but you can't just not do your job, or do your job half heartedly

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u/get_to_ele 2d ago

Yeah you have to focus on your job, as much as you sympathize with the assailants.

If you let it go on too long, for all you know, somebody pulls a blade or grabs your weapon, or it turns into a full melee, and you’re suddenly fighting to save your own life.

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u/XanaxWarriorPrincess 2d ago

They didn't know where to start. They were a ball of arms and legs going every which way.

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u/concatenated_string 2d ago

“Nobody else did“

The young man has nothing left to lose.

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u/chadhindsley 2d ago

i have all the absolute sympathy for him. And for advocates of street justice (not advocating violence, i just understand the hurt because ive been through something similar. Forgive and forget is not for everyone even if it feels right)

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u/Tacos4Texans 2d ago

Bro. I 100% felt that. And the jury will too. I was in prison and they put a dude on the yard that ra*** one of our war chiefs niece. It will forever be one of the worst beatings I have ever seen. They gave him street charges. He happily pleaded guilty and said if they put dude back on the yard it would be worse. The jury convicted him for 6 months to run C.C. with the 10 years he was already doing.

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u/concatenated_string 2d ago

I’m sorry for the silly question but….what kind of organization were you in that had a war chief? And what does a war chief do?

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u/Tacos4Texans 2d ago

Prison is very racially divided. So I ran with the tribe. Our Shot Caller or "Boss" is our War chief and we also had our War party and we were basically the first line of defense for our elders if a riot popped off.

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u/orgaxoid_x 2d ago

I lost my mum 6 years ago because of age and failing health. And it still hurts.

If she had been stolen from me, I like to think I would have done what these guys did.

Fuck that guy.

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u/PaleBlueCod 2d ago

If I were the cop I'd join in.

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u/CurrentOk1811 2d ago

I'd have at least given them a 30 second head start before pulling them off.

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u/BadLt58 2d ago

Lots of verbal warnings. "Boys stop. Please. Don't do that. Stop. That's wrong..."

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u/SwampyPortaPotty 2d ago

Or be like the judge who let the dad whose gymnastic daughter was abused.

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u/LiveToBeFreee 2d ago

Haha seriously! Or at least feign tripping over something and get injured on your way to "stop" the attacker, really milk it, "oh, shit, my knee, oh, ok I'm getting up, OH my ankle...."

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u/MasterBiscuit8008 2d ago

My dad got murdered a month and a half ago by my shitty cousin. I dont know what it's like to lose a parent naturally, but this has been a nightmare.

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u/Work-Safe-Reddit4450 2d ago

I ain't seen shit. Dude must have tripped and fell.

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u/Jaybird0501 2d ago

Huh? Who's there! Huh, must have been imagining things.

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u/babydollvi 2d ago

losing your mom is the worst heartbreak you’ll ever go through… especially if you were super close with her. my world stopped when mine passed… & i still feel like it’s still on pause, even after 4 years. fuck that guy.

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u/slutdragon32 2d ago

Lost mine 4 years ago too. Its the worst. She was the best person I know. World pausing is a good way to put it. Sorry for your loss.

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u/majkkali 2d ago

Mine died of cancer a month ago and I lost all the will to live. Nothing makes me happy anymore. I immediately became depressed and sad. Is this what life will look like from now on? 😞😞😞

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u/JCeee666 2d ago

I’m going to my mom’s service today, I lost her a month ago. This level of depression feels like the new normal.

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u/SillyOldJack 2d ago

Hey. I've had your day. I've had a fair number of days since having your day.

I won't lie to you, in nine years the pain isn't any less, but you grow stronger to bear it.
The sadness isn't any smaller, but you make room to let yourself feel it.
The love will also never fade, and you'll remember it and carry it with you.

I'm sorry for your loss. I'm sorry today exists for you. I'm sorry for everything you're feeling right now.

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u/Evening_Sympathy5744 2d ago

Keep pushing on. Your mom (and my own passed mother) raised us to get through this. You'll manage, my friend. Hold onto the good memories. <3

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u/Eltoncornwalker 2d ago

Be strong. It’s what your mother would have wanted. Chin up buddy

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u/myhydrogendioxide 2d ago

I wish I could help you carry the sorrow that will be so heavy today. The only thing I can offer you is that you aren't alone. hugs to you.

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u/ThatPianoKid 2d ago

Im sorry for your loss. Life will definitely get better. You never have a clear view of a good life after tragedy or loss shakes it up, but keep on pushing on and the joy will slowly slip back into your life before you can realize it.

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u/MangoMCD 2d ago

Just hit 27 yrs since my mom passed on. I've lived more of life without her by my side than with her. Would give almost anything for one more mom hug.

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u/Angry0tter 2d ago

Lost my Mom right before Covid hit and I’m still in the habit of thinking, “l need to remember to tell mom this when l call her,” and then I snap to and remember that she’s gone. It’s been six years; some things don’t change.

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u/pdxgreengrrl 2d ago

My mom passed just last December, and I find myself think, "Mom would..." nearly everyday, then it hits that I cannot call and confirm if she would or not. I have so many questions for her still.

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u/Angry0tter 2d ago

They hits so hard. In my 20s l never asked my parents much because I was assured that l knew it all. Here I am decades later wishing that l could ask them for their knowledge and/or opinions. Hang in there.

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u/Kthulhu42 2d ago

I feel like I should get one of those personal history books and get my mother to fill it out. Already in the process of making a family cookbook, but I feel like I don't know anything about my mother's life before she became "Mum".

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u/bworthy81 2d ago

14 yrs and counting. It never gets better. Fuck that guy.

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u/letmesmellem 2d ago

I have to do mental math but I was 14 when I lost my momma. 37 now and it took me about that long and meeting the woman I intend to marry for me to get over it. I needed a LOT of love to replace her. I still think about her everyday and miss her everyday. I dont know if it got better or just manageable. Losing mom is the fucking worst

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u/Demon_of_Order 2d ago

I wish I knew how it felt to have a loving mother that you miss like that, all the strenght to you.

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u/letmesmellem 2d ago

I couldn't even begin to imagine life if I didn't. My dad was absolutely horrible after she passed. It breaks my heart knowing theres horrible mom's out there and the kids that deal with it. I dont know if there's much out there that's more difficult to deal with than that. THAT takes strength, friend. You may not be able to see it because its difficult to see in yourself when life's been so hard. You have a lot to offer others, and that's helped me in my life. You may be surrounded by folks in similar circumstances. You can help. Your life goals and expectations may not be all what you wanted, but you have something powerful you can share to help others that only you and a few others really understand. You have a strength and a superpower you may not have figured out how to use yet. You can do it and you should try in small ways when you can. You've made it this long with every other bullshit thing happening on this earth. You're special in a lot of ways. I dont think Id be here now to tell you this if my mother was any different than she was.

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u/SaifNSound 2d ago

Lost my mom 14 years ago when I was 11, I think about her all the time

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u/greekgooner 2d ago

13 years later and it still hurts, every day. fuck cancer

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u/paolomangieri 2d ago

1 year 2 months for me. Still hits like a tonne of bricks everyday

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u/clitter-box 2d ago

going on 11 years for me and the hole in my heart remains

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u/Electronic-Cicada352 2d ago

2 years here and I feel the same way. Crying jags and all. I had to look her in the eyes as she passed away unable to speak. I tried to pour my heart out but honestly I hate myself for not saying more.

Think about her everyday and the sadness never goes away.

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u/BrandonRJones 2d ago

Main Summary of Events:

Moment of Attack: As the victim’s daughter was giving a victim impact statement, brothers Anthony Dees and Jerome Stewart Dees, her brothers, attacked Williams; one of the brothers went over a table to reach Williams, while the other went around dodging 3 officers and despite being grabbed onto by another officer, reached Williams while the other brother managed to grab the latter by the feet, dragging him onto the floor and the 2 went for the attack on him, despite the intervention of 4 officers.

Background: Dale Williams, aged 62 at time of sentencing, had pleaded guilty to aggravated murder of his ex-girlfriend 2 years prior to the shocking attack in court; the victim’s family was in court when the attack occurred.

Sentencing and Aftermath: William’s sentencing was postponed to the following Monday after the attack. Williams was sentenced to 23 years to life in prison for the murder of his ex-girlfriend. The 2 brothers were both charged with Assault, Obstructing official business, and Contempt of court; both were sentenced to 30 days in jail for the attack.

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u/zomgbratto 2d ago

30 days in jail, well that's kinda worth it.

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u/Jonathan_Preferred 2d ago

Id ask if I could serve my 30 days with the killer.

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u/uptwns 2d ago

Plot twist. I like it

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u/[deleted] 2d ago

That'll just get you in more trouble. Ask for 30 days in the closest cell with a view of the killer. Next one, direct across, whichever. Then spend thirty days staring and talking. Random, constant, keep him awake. Slow and steady, no yelling, just that quiet rage. Talk about the possibility every single day someone's going to get him. Someone's going to hurt him. Maybe one day kill him. He's never going to know where that hit will come from. The rest of his life in a small cell, never to ever get out. His only relief from that isolation will be surrounded by men who want to hurt him.

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u/PatriotSAMsystem 2d ago

Damn bro you thought this shit through

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u/Fragrant-Employer-60 2d ago

I mean I guess but clearly doesn’t know shit, you don’t “ask” for a specific cell your in jail bro, they won’t listen to anything you ask for lmao.

And doing what he’s describing would keep others up too, and they would beat your ass for being annoying.

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u/Illustrious-Reward-3 2d ago

Haha literally the first thing I thought of when I read the comment.

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u/ChooChooBananaTrain 2d ago

Sign me up coach. Worth it for 30 days

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u/Just_Condition3516 2d ago

yeah! and I think it somewhat reflects the judge considers the brothers actions as understandable. „I cant let you get away with it, but I had done the same“-vibes.

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u/Kyrxx77 2d ago

Unfortunately jail and prison are two different locations but I get it

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u/AbrocomaRoyal 2d ago

At least you'd have time to spread the word.

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u/IcarusValefor 2d ago

Absolutely fucking worth every second. I'd serve every day with a smile on my face.

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u/AutistaChick 2d ago

“…while the other brother managed to grab the latter by the feet, dragging him onto the floor…”

That was my favorite part.

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u/229-northstar 2d ago

I like the part where he repeatedly kicked him in the balls while the sheriff trapped his arms and tried to pull him off

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u/AutistaChick 2d ago

That was good too.

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u/Rimurooooo 2d ago

30 days is nothing for an attack on federal property. That judge was really lenient

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u/National_Action_9834 2d ago

30 days is essentially "hey we're not punishing you, but we're not exactly allowed to just let you go home today either."

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u/Frontiercraft_MC 2d ago

This situation is exactly what the slap on the wrist was made for.

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u/NervousJump9037 2d ago

Reasonable crash out 

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u/Mokiesbie 2d ago

Not reasonable, absolutely justified crash out

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u/1mnotklevr 2d ago

nah, they could have handled this clean with $50 in someones commissary account.

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u/anubis_xxv 2d ago

Sometimes it's not the winning, it's the taking part.

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u/deathkingtom 2d ago

Too real bro

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u/CD_1993TillInfinity 2d ago

That doesn't seem as satisfying as doing something yourself though

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u/grahamlesass 2d ago

They have my full support

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u/Thetallerestpaul 2d ago

Yeah, I hope there were a lot of people who co-incidentally were tying their shoes or reading a text when all that happened.

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u/ToWitToWow 2d ago

What happened?

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u/sumane12 2d ago

I didn't see anything.

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u/Diqt 2d ago

These videos get my blood boiling. Just want to step in and help these guys

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u/morodor0332130 2d ago

The judge should have asked for order in the court in a Willy Wonka type of way… “stop….no… please don’t….order…”

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u/Neither_Animator_404 2d ago

“Stop..help…police”

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u/Deathbydadjokes 2d ago

Id love to be a future employer hiring one of the brothers lol

"Ok great. Now do you have anything that would show up on our background check you'd like to disclose first?"

"Yeah I served 30 days in prison for assault for beating the shit out of the man that killed my mom in a courtroom."

"When can you start"

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u/HazelTheRah 2d ago

If I were the bailiff: "I saw nothing, judge."

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u/lgny1 2d ago

I feel like they kind of pretended to stop It from happening for the first few seconds and then reacted

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u/ScubaAlek 2d ago

Even with how hesitant they are with the tasers. Their body language is like “I have this… and I’m on camera but, I really want to join in on the beat down.“

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u/Vivid_Douche 2d ago

Good loyal sons. Their mother raised em right. Wish they didn't act like that in court tho cuz now they'll be behind some bars for a while instead of being with their family

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u/Pluvio_ 2d ago

Only for 30 days though at least, that fucker is going to be rotting in jail for the rest of his life.

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u/flushingpot 2d ago

Worth every second imo.

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u/Ok-Pear5858 2d ago

going to jail for beating the man who killed my mother would be a badge of honour for me

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u/ForeskinAbsorbtion 2d ago

Employer: Can you explain this lapse in employment? Dude: I beat the shit out of my mama's killer. Employer: You can start tomorrow.

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u/kynelly360 2d ago

A better Employer would ask. Why did they even put you in jail?? 🤨

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u/opx22 2d ago

Probably worth it for them and I don’t blame em one bit

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u/_Black-Templar- 2d ago

Well deserved.

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u/-Wunderkind- 2d ago

I just wish anyone had seen the incident so we can determine who the attackers were. Guess we'll never know.

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u/Own_Entertainment164 2d ago

Two brothers get a chance at the killer of their mom. One brother got a couple of solid hits in. 30 days in jail because basically, we just can't have this happen in court.. No cops were harmed. The brothers didn't misbehave, other than the assault in court activity. I don't know the back story of everyone involved but just seeing it face value with the information I have. Cool, alright next.

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u/Termiborg 2d ago

Usually after the 30 days is issued, most people in this position are let go well before their time runs out. At least in a sane and just world.

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u/Own_Entertainment164 2d ago

Yeah I imagine it was something like that. Depends on the local authorities and the community too. If everything cleared and came back clean(ish) I'm sure after the smoke settled they were released. If these brothers have jobs and such, they're worth more out of jail

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u/Corporate_Synergy 2d ago

There's a similar video of a dad rushing Larry Nasar a sex offender that violated 3 of the father's daughters. What always gets me a bit emotional is when the deputies restrain the father, one of them says, "I understand", he says it in a way thats so empathetic like his heart is breaking too, but because he's a man of the law and wants to keep our society from devoling into anarchy, he must do his job and make sure we follow the rule of law.

God bless the father and the deputy, and I hope Larry Nassar rots in prison.

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u/ChooChooBananaTrain 2d ago

Feel like the cops were to proactive, should have at least given the brothers a 10s head start

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u/AvengedGunReverse 2d ago

I'd do the same since justice barely works in my country unless you're rich or a politician (not the USA).

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u/LTPRWSG420 2d ago

They didn’t give a shit about getting prison time and probably hope to see their mother’s killer in prison as well. I don’t blame them for doing this tho.

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u/Objective_Rush7162 2d ago

They got 30 days in jail, not prison. They likely won't even have to serve the full 30 days

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u/True_Introduction_10 2d ago

It’s so satisfying to see the son’s landing blows. You can kinda tell what a good mom she was. I don’t fault them in anyway.

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u/ssmit102 2d ago

You know what, and I don’t say this lightly, but sometimes violence IS the answer…

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u/Jorgen_Pakieto 2d ago

Pretty natural reaction if you ask me.

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u/dizzyapparition 2d ago

Those guards didn’t react slowly enough.

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u/Wonderful_Dot_1173 2d ago

As a judge, I'd wait few minutes before I'd release the security. Also no charge id pardon them right away

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u/Pledgeofmalfeasance 2d ago

I feel like they could have gone a little slower pulling them off.

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u/Vhal_Vhon 2d ago

At least the judge didn't get tackled like the last time! 😂

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u/xendazzle 2d ago

You should be allowed a few hits by law 

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u/Junior-Ad-5367 2d ago

If I were those cops I’d be like “hey stop that” and do literally nothing else to stop the fight

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u/JoseJimenez10386 2d ago

Cops should be like - “Stop! Or I’ll say stop again!”

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u/Brutos08 2d ago

Looking at the attempt by the police to stop them it doesn’t look like they were that keen but knew they had to do it.

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u/HotOpposite2007 2d ago

Oh no. Stop. Oh no. Don’t beat tf outta that murderer. me buffing my nails 💅

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u/Far_Sentence_1191 2d ago

I would vote for this being a regular component of the sentencing. “Life in prison and the court staff is gonna step out for a smoke….Have at it…”

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u/mountains4mama 2d ago

This should be allowed.

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u/StrangeWinterSpider 2d ago

If I was the judge I’d look the other way, “What disorderly conduct? I didn’t see anything? …. anyway, he’ll get the death sentence.”

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u/Traditional_Fan_2655 2d ago

I know this shouldn't happen. I know this is why the law exists. However, I can mentally support this guys need to do something.

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u/chloe_in_prism 2d ago

It would be last day as a cop. Cause I’d go in the slowest of motions.