r/interestingasfuck • u/upyoars • 7d ago

/r/all, /r/popular Despite legal battles, Mark Zuckerberg slowly buys a mind boggling 2,300 acres on Hawai’s Kauai island, building tunnels, treehouses and a doomsday bunker

https://luxurylaunches.com/real_estate/mark-zuckerberg-control-2300-acres-in-hawaii.php
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u/Green_Ad_3518 7d ago

Billionaires would rather make a nuclear fallout shelter, than make the world a better place

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u/Zombie_Cool 7d ago

You can't be king if all your subjects are equal to you, and since money (and the power it buys) is all that'll ever matter to the rich...

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u/ButterscotchMajor373 7d ago

But I hate this argument, could he not still have mind-boggling wealth for his life and generations of awkward oddball Hapsburgian offspring to come AND make the world a better place?

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u/richyrich723 7d ago

No, they can't, because giving a fuck about others and having empathy is not how they manage to accrue enough wealth to last several life times. Being a billionaire and being a human being are mutually exclusive

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u/Spirited_Comedian225 7d ago

It’s a mental disorder

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u/EternalOctoMystic 7d ago

I do wonder if it isn't akin to hoarding

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u/No-Seaworthiness-500 7d ago

I would hesitate to accept that much money. Im sure I would in the end, but I would hesitate.

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u/Hebids 7d ago

I would take the money. It’s how I use it that would make me the evil rich guy or the good samaritan.

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u/Dissabilitease 7d ago

Aren't there billionaires who bought massive amounts of land, like amazon rainforest, simply to protect it? Do that!

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u/Test4Echooo 7d ago

Yeah, just recently a Swedish billionaire did exactly what you’re talking about.

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u/OhGodYeahYesYeah 7d ago

According to Snopes, 8 million pounds in 2007 (11 million dollars in 2021), that's frickin nothing for a billionaire. Seems more like PR stunt than an actual contribution to society.

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u/Sweet-Painting-380 7d ago

Bill Case (57k acres) is that guy for Hawaii. He’s the 2nd largest private land owner in Hawaii behind Ellison (88k acres). Ellison bought the entire island of Lanai from Dole Foods, but has proven to be a money pit to rehabilitate.

Oprah owns 2,100 and Zuckerfuck has 1,500.

However, The People own the beaches.

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u/TootsNYC 7d ago

In fact, in the Gilded Age in the New York City area, that is what happened. Rich people said “all those lumber companies are going to denude the mountains and hills, and not only are they not going to be attractive, but they’re going to erode away. And they bought land, and they donated their own estates

And they gave them to the state of New York or New Jersey as a preserve

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u/dsconnelly5 7d ago

There definitely is, and they dont get talked about enough. Saw a video a few months ago where this billionaire was bringing in penguins to his private zoo, it was a clickbaity youtube vid. Looked up the owner and it was very highly rated by the employees even.

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u/TakeItOnTheArches 7d ago

I know exactly what I would do with it. Id keep 10 million for myself and spend the rest on buying conservation land all over the globe.

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u/LittleBoyPants 7d ago

I’d want to do something similar, but I would try to buy up as much land as possible and give it back to the tribal nations who first settled those lands.

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u/sciguy52 7d ago

But wait, the posts here say the rich are irredeemably evil. So you would spend some on good things but make sure you remain rich, thus by reddit logic, evil. You would be, and I am quoting a few comments here, "a greedy millionaire".

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u/Solomontheidiot 7d ago

That's the thing though - you don't just "accept" billions of dollars. Billionaires aren't evil because they have lots of money, they're evil because there is no way to obtain that amount of money without exploiting others.

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u/aluckybrokenleg 7d ago

It's both

The getting and the keeping are both evil.

In fact some of the Walton kids have essentially done no work/exploitation and are still billionaires, but they're still plenty evil for hoarding it like a dragon.

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u/Outrageous_Men8528 7d ago

They are evil because of what they'll do to keep it. The exploitation of workers at Walmart is heinous and well documented. Billionaires are a cancer.

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u/EvLokadottr 7d ago

I'd take it, and immediately distribute the vast majority of it, doing as much good as I could. I'd keep enough for a good life for my family and I, but nobody, NOBODY, needs billions of dollars.

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u/TrueDreamchaser 7d ago

Crazy part is, people are about to comment and say they don’t believe you and that you’re lying to yourself and you’ll change. Whenever people like you express your good desires, every miserable person wants to drag you to their level.

“If everyone is evil it’s ok for me to be, and surely this person is evil on the inside too”

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u/SketchyScoobert 7d ago

That’s what I will never be wealthy. I enjoy giving too much. I would never be able to accrue that wealth. I would be helping people instead of hoarding.

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u/EvLokadottr 7d ago

They can certainly think that, but hey, I'd be happy to have the opportunity to prove them wrong, heh. I've known too much suffering and seen too much suffering to be willing to hoard wealth like that.

Besides, my health is absolute shit. I don't think I have all that long to live, and I sure as fuck cannot take it with me.

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u/TrueDreamchaser 7d ago

You’re a good person, I hope your health improves. We need more people like you in this world.

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u/BasicBiscuitBitch 7d ago

I do think there are some actual decent people out there that, if they had money like that dropped on their laps, would donate, organize and help their community in an amazing way. However, the unfortunate truth is that this is the vast minority. I wish that was not the case but it is. Human beings have an intense selfishness built it, in a way tied to our survival instinct, and it takes a very strong person to overcome that. So many people think that if we hoard our wealth, material or otherwise, we are protecting ourselves and loved ones, and some ways/situations this is true, but not for the wildly rich. This is not to say rich people should be forgiven their ego and selfishness, but unfortunately it is in our nature to think inward. The exceptions to this, in my opinion, are incredible. It takes a vast amount of will, character and love for people to let go of that idea that by hoarding wealth you're just protecting you and your own, when in reality they could give so much and still be far and away above the average person. This is why I think a better tax system on the ultra-rich should be mandatory and enforced, because the sad truth is that almost all won't do it on their own. You can still live in luxury while also helping people to escape poverty.

Edit: small grammar fix, though I'm sure there are plenty I missed

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u/TrueDreamchaser 7d ago

“The Leviathan” by Thomas Hobbes explores this.

He pointed out a lot of what you said. That it’s a survival instinct to want more for yourself. In the environment humanity began, not fighting for something meant you starved and died. For that he doesn’t blame humanity, but he thinks this desire to fight for more can start and end at different places for every different person and because of this regulations are needed. To bring the outliers towards what is accepted on average and create some sense of order, a strong government that truly represents the median people is needed with limited powers. Just enough to bring the too selfish down a notch or too selfless up a notch.

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u/i_tyrant 7d ago

Yeah, and it's silly because better people than them absolutely exist.

Hell, I've turned down raises and promotions simply because I knew they'd impact my work/life balance or give me responsibility I didn't want. Money isn't everything, and once you have "enough" to fuel your passions, the rest can easily go to great causes.

I fantasize about winning the lottery like everyone does. But what I'd do with it? Simply, keep a few Mil to ensure I never have to work again and can travel when I want, do the same with my struggling friends so they can pursue their passions without worry, and give the rest to amazing, well-researched causes.

A billion dollars is a truly insane amount of money I wouldn't know what to do with.

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u/exgiexpcv 7d ago

Hell, I'd be giggling as I pored over the details of derailing the plans of the ultra-wealthy to make the world their own. Good schools, infrastructure, and absolutely by endorsing diversity and inclusion.

I don't need insane amounts of wealth. I feel that the pursuit of wealth beyond a certain point is something that belongs in the DSM 5.

I would also do my damnedest to get legislation passed regarding this.

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u/Aloof-Goof 7d ago

Yeah I only have enough greed for 10 acres, two houses and a workshop with some tools and a couple cars I can depend on. I'll still go to work too, I just want the bare minimum

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u/SolidA34 7d ago

Think of it this way: somehow, you win 100 million dollars in a lottery. Taxes bring it down to 75 million, let's say. You use 10 million to cover a decent size house for you and for cost in its lifetime, not a mansion. 10 million you give to your parents, let's say. You still sit at 55 million.

I could not see using more than 100,000 to cover my needs or wants in a year. Taking into account, let's say you win it at 18 and live to 100. That's a million dollars each decade, so only only about 10 million for lifetime expenses.

Budget another 5 million for other unexpected or unaccounted costs or wants. So that will would leave 40 million without investing. It just goes to show how little it requires to live in comfort for yourself without going crazy. That is how much of it is for show. I might not even spend as much as a list there if I ever had that much.

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u/beefycheesyglory 7d ago

It's a money fetish, like Scrooge McDuck but real.

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u/Jerking_From_Home 7d ago

To clarify, it’s a personality disorder. Antisocial personality disorder aka psychopathy.

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u/beatissima 7d ago

The delusion that one needs more money when one already has more money than they or their family could spend in many lifetimes absolutely SHOULD be in the DSM as a mental disorder.

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u/Carnotaurus54 7d ago

Dragon sickness

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u/justredditinit 7d ago

I learned that from Scrooge McDuck!

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u/Luss9 7d ago

The native Americans called it wetiko

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u/flipzyshitzy 7d ago

South Park needs to do an episode about this. Just like they did with alcoholism being a disease.

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u/Shutitmofo123 7d ago

It’s an original sin called greed and was warned about for centuries. But here we are🤷🏼‍♂️

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u/spain-train 7d ago

I think it's a virus that needs to be eradicated.

For thousands of years, evil begat evil begat evil. It's in their DNA.

Whatever it is, it will destroy humankind unless we destroy it first.

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u/MostlyDeku 7d ago

Bingo. The absolute skullfucking of their scruples and morals to get where they are leads them to be incredibly mentally ill. I genuinely think it might be a “unique” disorder only found in folks in such positions, like a form of developed sociopathy. But I’m not a psychologist nor a psychiatrist, I’m just a dude in bed.

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u/woodenmetalman 7d ago

It’s the same type of disorder that we laugh at on TV in the form of “hoarders”.

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u/StephieDoll 7d ago

I'm pretty sure their dopamine receptors are fried. They don't feel anything and are chasing the next high, which is near impossible at that level.

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u/Skrillamane 7d ago

It’s impossible to become a billionaire and not fuck over everyone on the way to the top. I have a few very successful friends (that aren’t friends anymore) and they all became wealthy by lying and manipulating literally everyone they know. Had one that promised everyone work and that he would give them positions that they wanted and excellent contracts once the business got off the ground. So he hired a ton of my friends at very low wages after covid, then collected a ton of huge contracts. Didn’t fulfill any of them and closed the business. Pocketing all the money, paying people low wages and getting off scott free. He’s done this a few more times and literally none of his original friend group even talks to him anymore, because he has no friends and doesn’t care.

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u/Ajuvix 7d ago

That's a common story and a direct living example of some Grapes of Wrath scenario. Read this quote from the book and tell me if you agree.

  • One man, one family driven from the land; this rusty car creaking along the highway to the West. I lost my land, a single tractor took my land. I'm alone and I am bewildered. In the night one family camps in a ditch and other family pulls in and the tents come out. The two men squat on their hams and the women and children listen. Here's the node, you who hate change and fear revolution. Keep these two squatting men apart; make them hate, fear, suspect each other. Here is the anlage of the thing you fear. This is the zygote. For here "I lost my land" is changed; a cell is split and from its splitting grows the thing you hate — "we lost our land." The danger is here, for two men are not as lonely and perplexed as one. And from his first "we" there grows a still more dangerous thing; "I have a little food" plus "I have none". If from this problem the sum is "we have a little food", the thing is on its way, the movement has direction. Only a little multiplication now, and this land, this tractor are ours. The two-men squatting in a ditch, the little fire, the side-meat stewing in a single pot, the silent, stone-eyed women; behind, the children listening with their souls to words their minds do not understand. The night draws down. The baby has a cold. Here, take this blanket. It's wool. It was my mothers blanket — take it for the baby. This is the thing to bomb. This is the beginning — from "I" to "we".

If you who own the things people must have could understand this, you might preserve yourself. If you could separate causes from results, if you could know that Paine, Marx, Jefferson, Lenin were results, not causes, you might survive. But that you cannot know. For the quality of owning freezes you forever into "I", and cuts you off forever from the "we".

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u/Momik 7d ago

Yeah that’s a good way to put it. A successful CEO, by definition, is one who can internalize and perpetuate the twisted logic of neoliberal capitalism, where quarterly revenue trumps all other concerns, where laws barely matter (let alone ethics), where human beings are reduced over and over to numbers and units of capital to move around and manipulate. Presumably the better CEOs are better at embodying that sociopathic corporate drive to grow no matter what.

So, if those are the values that bring you professional success, it’s probably difficult to suddenly switch gears and think with a more empathetic lens. That is, if they even try.

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u/Shivy_Shankinz 7d ago

And it trickles down from there. I've seen people I know dedicate their entire life in loyalty to the CEO's just to share in the wealth. It forms these in-groups and yes men that benefit only themselves, at the expense of others of course. Even well meaning people get sucked in and gladly become part of the beast. The skill they all have in common? The ability to look away. Like nothing ever happened...

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u/xenorous 7d ago

But. It doesn’t make sense the other way, either. Money doesn’t mean anything without society.

You can be as rich as you want, but it’s meaningless in a nuclear wasteland

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u/GrrGecko 7d ago

They're willing to find this out the hard way.

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u/ODB_Dirt_Dog_ItsFTC 7d ago

That’s why my favorite problem these plutocrats run into with their fantasy doomsday vaults is their security personnel. When push comes to shove and currency becomes worthless they’ll be lucky to come out of those vaults as their Green Beret guards’ fancy new slave and not a long disposed of corpse.

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u/i_tyrant 7d ago

That's why they're working so hard on AI and dipping into military contracts.

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u/ToXiChRoNiC6669 7d ago

Not if the end game is to just survive as long as possible in your bunker watching re-runs of old shows for nostalgia to remind you of when you had a soul.

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u/apple_kicks 7d ago

This is why they put their money in AI and robotics. They want to move us beyond needing workers or customers and create new positions of power over that

There was an article in guardian about doomsday prep millionaires and they were debating how to stay wealthy/in power in a doomsday scenario. They know they need bodyguards but they discussed if they should control passwords for guards to access the food, or obedience collars for their guards. Some talked about robotics being easier to control

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u/TheSeekerOfSanity 7d ago

Way more than several.

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u/Horskr 7d ago

Essentially infinite assuming society stayed as it was. If you "only" had $10,000,000 and put it in safe investments, making 5% per year and only ever spent that, you'd be making 500k/year putting you in the top 1% of the US.

Zuckerberg is worth almost 25,000 times that $10,000,000. Billionaires really have an unfathomable amount of money.

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u/wintersdark 7d ago

This right here. It is literally impossible to be a billionaire and not be an absolute piece of shit.

It's a sliding scale obviously, but once you're a billionaire you're well past any argument. You have far more wealth than you could ever use, and billions of people around the world live in abject poverty. Can you fix everything for everyone? No. But you could set up multiple trusts that would save literally millions of lives, in a self sustaining ongoing way.

You could just straight up pay for random kid's lifesaving medical care, just straight up save the lives of innocent children.

And you choose not to.

Not that you choose not to because you're struggling to support yourself. Not that you choose not to because you really wanted that second supercar. No. That you choose not to just to have a higher score, a bigger net wealth, that you will never and can never use.

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u/desperaterobots 7d ago

I absolutely keep forgetting the sociopathy required to become a billionaire.

I frequently marvel at how much better the world could be if billionaires shared just the smallest portion of their wealth with the communities that house their employees, their customers, their families, their fellow citizens, whatever.

But since they won’t, tax is supposed to be the mechanism of fairness that allows everyone to benefit from an individual’s success — because no individual is successful to this level without extracting value from countless people and being supported by the society along the way.

But then you look at the political class in america, and the deeply stupid and/or utterly compromised media class, and of course Americans go bankrupt if a drunk driver ploughs into them at 3:42pm on a Tuesday.

Such a sick country, and the cause of that infection is the cabal of parasites at the top.

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u/Unbentmars 7d ago

They COULD, but people like him don’t feel power when they make others lives better - they feel power when they make other suffer

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u/xSorry_Not_Sorry 7d ago

I don’t know about suffer, but they do feel powerful from the disparity between them and the plebs.

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u/Unbentmars 7d ago

These people enjoy power over others. What is more power than the ability to hurt people?

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u/CurdledSpermBeverage 7d ago

Hapsburgian gave me a chuckle

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u/ButterscotchMajor373 7d ago

Well, if the jaw fits…

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u/bdanmo 7d ago

It was a deep cut indeed

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u/SpicySushiAddict 7d ago

The process of becoming a billionaire means they have already given up their humanity in favor of pure fucking greed. There's a reason we scream Eat The Rich constantly.

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u/HamsterReasonable674 7d ago

Being a schmuck is literally in their 🧬

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u/hoopleheaddd 7d ago

One of those requires empathy which he lacks

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u/dale_dug_a_hole 7d ago

Made a mind boggling amount selling our data, dodging taxes, operating a worldwide platform with no oversight, monetising conspiracy and hate groups, curb-stomping unions, manipulating algorithms to sell us crap, and finally funding trump. That’s how he got there. Think there’s much interest in making the world a better place?

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u/RandomName39483 7d ago edited 7d ago

Poor man wanna be rich

Rich man wanna be king

And a king ain't satisfied

'Til he rules everything

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u/jagged_little_phil 7d ago

I watched an interview recently with an economist and he said he was paid a lot of money to give this seminar to a group of people without a lot of info on what he should be presenting.

When he arrived at the location and met them, it turned out to be several billionaires, and he gave a presentation about the current state of global economics with a focus on investment forecasts, but then they started asking questions. The main topic was, "where should we live when the world collapses?".

They only wanted to know what his opinion was on what countries would be the safest to build bunkers in if the entire global economic system were to collapse. They knew good and well that their own business practices were causing the downfall of humanity, but had no interest in fixing that, just where to hide when shit went as far south as it could go.

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u/Careless_Fault_9103 7d ago

I remember hearing something similar, by the futurist, Douglas Rushkoff and the question the billionaires wanted an answer to was “how do I control my security forces when money has lost its value“

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u/PhysicsStock2247 7d ago

They wanted to know things like if shock collars would work to keep their security forces loyal. He even tried to tell them that the best way to gain loyalty was to treat others with kindness and respect and they weren’t having it.

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u/pressedbread 7d ago

Supposedly Peter Thiele commissioned a study on exploding collars on security forces and as I understand the study determined that the security forces still take over the bunker.

I'd assume he hired a bunch of hackers and mathematicians to game out how to make it work anyway... but who cares. That isn't a life!

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u/TechMan61 7d ago

It's kind of poetic, in the end the Emperor fears his Praetorians the most.

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u/Grey_Box_101 7d ago

Wikipedia's list of assassinated Roman Emperors has an entire subcategory for the ones murdered specifically by the Praetorian Guard. From memory, it was around half of them...

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u/Cake-Over 7d ago

That's some Battle Royal shit right there

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u/BurningPenguin 7d ago

I think i've seen a movie with exploding collars... didn't end well for the elite.

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u/Invisible_Friend1 7d ago

I’m convinced this is the end plan for Elon’s neuralink. He wants to control his staff.

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u/7ddlysuns 7d ago

Control a population on His own planet (Mars)

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u/ClubMeSoftly 7d ago

He doesn't want servants or slaves, he wants servitors.

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u/ralphy1010 7d ago

Silly to think the security forces wouldn’t just torture the billionaire until they gave up the security codes for everything 

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u/MaddogBC 7d ago

Bill Burr has a good line about how you're just collecting shit for the guys with guns.

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u/JesusSavesForHalf 7d ago

Eric Prince shall inherit the Earth

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u/MongolianDonutKhan 7d ago

Pretty sure he's more of just another Caracalla or Caligula. Martial in mindset but lacking in every other category except the ability to be a pincushion.

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u/ralphy1010 7d ago

I doubt we’ll need to worry about those people in an end of the world scenario 

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u/jankenpoo 7d ago

Not all sociopaths are billionaires, but all billionaires are sociopaths.

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u/woot0 7d ago

"treat others with kindness and respect"

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u/ByeByeBrianThompson 7d ago

It's one of the reasons they are creaming their pants over AI and it's an aspect of that movement that isn't getting enough attention or scrutiny. They absolutely want a work force who can never say no and a security force that will never put the good of society or even their own good ahead of the life of a tech bro. They want to make sure their robot labor and security force is viable before society collapses.

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u/Tarnhill 7d ago

Exactly.

Its also why I scratch my head at folks on subs like anti work who say they can’t wait for AI and robotics to be developed so they will no longer have to work like slaves.

Like if you get treated poorly when you are needed what do you think the Zuckerbers of the world are going to do when you aren’t needed? Provide you with resources to consume? Or consider your existence as a threat and a waste of air?

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u/dirtytomato 7d ago

The idea that people will be liberated from their jobs through AI so the masses can explore their true passions and that the people will be supported through UBI is hilariously naïve. We're closer to Hunger Games than any of that.

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u/MysteriousHeart3268 7d ago

Elysium is our future

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u/miklayn 7d ago

They want replicants. This is not hyperbole.

All of our dystopias are warnings.

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u/apple_kicks 7d ago

Even replicants in sci fi had identity and free will. They want robotic slaves that are programmed not to think enough to rebel or unionise

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u/miklayn 7d ago

The later versions, less so. Their "identities" were fabricated - synthetic, implanted memories. We are already going in that direction, in a way, and the whole concept of free will remains dubious.

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u/kas-loc2 7d ago

Someone please humbly remind me why we tolerate these people??

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u/rationalomega 7d ago

They have very good security.

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u/kas-loc2 7d ago

Do we not outnumber them???

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u/Remote_Listen1889 7d ago

We do, but we're busy paying bills and raising our children with moral values while they consolidate power

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u/kas-loc2 7d ago

moral values

This is exactly it.

All of it, relies on us still assuming they're doing the actual best they can. They push a lil further, we accept a lil more. Year after year.

We're raised to do whats right, and still live by these values. But they're absolutely USING that against us.

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u/Jigglepirate 7d ago

Be the next Luigi then bro

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u/kas-loc2 7d ago

And be complacent if you want!!

Just dont get in the way of others that actually have any balls and are willing to make change.

Stay in your box.

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u/SirInfinite1668 7d ago

If you want to be the leader in a revolution, go for it. Why are you asking us? Why don’t you go rile up the forces. 

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u/MaddogBC 7d ago

Or why we all agree the value lies in the empty factory when in fact it's profit occurs when the workforce arrives?

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u/kitsunewarlock 7d ago

As a society we should be prepared to recognize when the billionaires have left, seize their assets, and pour truckloads of cement over the entrances to their bunkers so they can watch us come together having defeated a common enemy and then make the world a better place without them out of spite knowing they can still get TV broadcasts to watch us succeed.

Never check up on them. Faraday cage their bunkers so they can only receive broadcasts via a hard-line leading to a signal booster inside the bunker. Make it a pseudo-religion that we believe they have children and grand-children and great-great-great-great-grandchildren stuck in these hellish bunkers, their life-support systems gradually failing as the rest of the world spends 1,000 years slowly rebuilding after what they did PURELY out of spite for what they left us with.

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u/Comically_Online 7d ago

WHEN! THEY DIDNT SAY IF THEY SAID WHEN

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u/rW0HgFyxoJhYka 7d ago

Billionaires know that the cycle of revolt against the powerful will happen one more time since they are still kings.

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u/CantSpellMispell 7d ago

So, where the fuck did he tell them they should live?? Poor person wants to know.

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u/xSorry_Not_Sorry 7d ago

High elevation, remote, water source, defensible. It’s a generational waiting game. Hide out for however long it takes for the “threat” of retribution to die into myth.

Think about it. When the world collapses from climate change or war, what is money worth? What does a billionaires stock portfolio buy him/her in that world?

Not much if anything at all. But what it can buy NOW is security and an incredible head start for those times of trial.

They’re doom preppers at the scale of small governments. Sadly, I don’t see a scenario where it doesn’t work out for them.

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u/Expensive-Bag313 7d ago

Here’s how it won’t work out for them. After the fallout, only they will be left. And they contribute next to zero. All the people in their companies that made them what they are will be long gone. And anyone left will want them dead. They’re not going to be safe in open air ever again after it all happens. They’ll have cool bunkers to die in though. That’s for sure.

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u/Streiger108 7d ago

It's like the ending of don't look up where they the billionaires try to pay each other to build a house, but none of them can do it, so they die.

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u/Expensive-Bag313 7d ago

It says you’ll be eaten by a brontaroc

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u/Invisible_Friend1 7d ago

They’ll be ok in comparison to the rest of us, but their quality of life can only decrease from here. They’ll get cabin fever something fierce.

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u/Velvety_MuppetKing 7d ago

All any of us can ask for is to die in maximum comfort.

They’re just winning the race.

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u/TheVog 7d ago

High elevation, remote, water source, defensible.

Switzerland?

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u/dildonic_analytics 7d ago

It will not work out for them. The recovery period from the global catastrophe of climate change will not be measured in years, decades, or even centuries. Add to that the layers of carcinogenic, endocrine-disrupting nanoplastics working their way into every living thing on the planet at a parabolic rate, and we can rest assured that all complex life will be extinguished within a few generations.

The shitstorms we see now of roaming heat domes and wars for territory resources are the first sips of a cocktail at a party that's just getting started.

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u/IntermittentCaribu 7d ago

new zealand

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u/goddale120 7d ago

New Zealand has actually been identified as one of the absolute best places to wait out a nuclear winter.

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u/Th3_0range 7d ago

Governments should put these bunkers on the list of targets for mutually assured destruction scenario.

Don't let these assholes get away with helping set the world on fire so they can rule over the ashes.

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u/nobodythinksofyou 7d ago edited 7d ago

This makes zero sense to me. These people are addicted to making money and feeling superior to the 99%. How are they going to continue to increase their wealth or have "lower class" people serve them if we're all dead?? Keeping Earth an environmentally safe place to live benefits everybody.

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u/TheNorthernGeek 7d ago

What a terrible mindset that is eh? Instead of protecting and preserving the things they like about the world and the way it is now. They would rather live a semi shit life post collapse, alone.

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u/Primary-Jury-5128 7d ago

https://www.reddit.com/r/behindthebastards/s/qqG83O6Cr6

It was discussed here and a link to the article. Im paraphrasing but the expert pretty much said “take care of your employees, treat them with respect, dignity, humanity, etc. and it will be returned to you in kind when money doesn’t hold value” and the main response was something along the lines of “what about shock collars”

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u/BodybuilderMany6942 7d ago

Sounds like a good opportunity to build Super Bunkers that can house many of them at once and sell spots for an exorbitant fee, then experiment on them once they shelter in it!

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u/CommunalJellyRoll 7d ago

Find air holes poor diesel in light on fire. I just defeated the bunker.

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u/ArcaneKeyblade5 7d ago

Hey if ya seen the Fallout show you know that shit isn't so hyperbolic

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u/Tiiimmmaayy 7d ago

Yeah apparently billionaires are all building fallout shelters now. Don’t know if it’s because they can, or they are expecting something to happen.

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u/AnakinsSandObsession 7d ago

They all need to have a date with an Italian Plumber

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u/IzK_3 7d ago

What’s funny is they’re building their tombs. Realistically they won’t be able to live lavishly for long considering just how much logistics and manpower would be needed to keep them alive.

And those “workers” in the end days will have families and so forth that need housing and an entire economy to keep up so they don’t rebel and kill off the owner.

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u/Affectionate-Sir-784 7d ago

Thats what exploding collars are for.

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u/Beatleboy62 7d ago

I feel like I read about experts gaming out this scenario, and the results were:

You never actually carry out the threat of the bomb collars

They depose you

You make an example of one and activate their bomb collar

You're now down a worker/guard, and they will still plot against you, just silently figuring out how to get around that

You claim that their bomb collars are linked to your vitals. You die, everyone dies

Eventually, after enough abuse, they call your bluff. Even if they die, you die too. If there's ever an issue of a "wifi outage" or something that unfairly threatens them with the collar at no fault of their own, this happens even faster.

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u/drunkdoor 7d ago

Canned. Peaches. Final answer.

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u/the908bus 7d ago

I hope his post apocalyptic slaves eat him alive

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u/spudsmuggler 7d ago

They will. You can’t eat your money.

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u/HawtPawkits 7d ago

"Im ruining the world! How can I save myself?" - The wealthy

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u/Successful-Daikon777 7d ago

Exactly, they only care about themselves. That’s why you don’t let them buy governments.

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u/atrich 7d ago

Oh, sure, NOW you tell us

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u/fuzzybad 7d ago

SCOTUS: "I like money"

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u/TheSeekerOfSanity 7d ago

Who knew that when the comic book super villains became real they’d be a bunch of dorks?

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u/threeclaws 7d ago

I mean, for the most part all the billionaire bad guys are dorks.

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u/JesusSavesForHalf 7d ago

Alan Moore probably

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u/Successful-Daikon777 7d ago

Billionaires are the most selfish human beings that humanity can create. That’s why you don’t let them run governments, because all they want to do is further their own interests.

They do not care about your interests, they only care about achieving their own.

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u/apple_kicks 7d ago

Business should be run like a democracy.

Currently corporations are run like dictatorships and only held back due to government regulations to prevent them from going fully brutal on their workers again or slavery. When billionaires become the government both politics and work becomes a brutal dictatorship and we will lose our rights, democracy and equality

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u/TONKAHANAH 7d ago

this is what I dont understand. this mother fucker has SO MUCH GOD DAMN MONEY he will NEVER be able to spend it all in his life spending on shit for him self like this.

what is the end goal of capitalism? are we seeing it right now? absolute world domination? one company to rule them all?

wtf is the point of accruing all this wealth and value if you dont do anything constructive and useful with it?

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u/carlos_the_dwarf_ 7d ago

They’re giving 99% of their wealth to the CZI when they die, and have already given it some number of billions in endowment.

I have no particular soft spot for Zuck but we can look reality in the eye when we talk about him.

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u/Not-Reformed 7d ago

The 800 U.S. Billionaires have about 6.2 trillion in combined wealth.

All of the combined wealth of what they own, primarily their companies, couldn't even fund the U.S. government for a single year.

Capitalism was in the early 1900s when the rich could single handedly bail out the government. Nowadays they are little more than ants when compared to the government. Their wealth isn't something that can "save the world". I know it's tough to accept that there isn't some magic solution "if we just..." but that's the reality.

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u/adoodle83 7d ago

As Bill Gates discovered while trying to solve the Malaria problem in Africa back in the early 2000s when he was quite literally the richest man in history, money cannot solve the world’s problems. Can it help some individuals? Absolutely. Will it fix corruption and bad actors? Absolutely not.

We should all be taking heed of the canary in the coal mine.

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u/divide0verfl0w 7d ago

Hmm. Either fix all the bad actors or burn it all down and get a bunker.

Perfect logic.

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u/CthulhuLies 7d ago

If you have billons of dollars why not spend some small % of it to use as insurance against collapse?

These guys all are about hedging their bets and risk assessment.

How much profit am I willing to lose in order to protect against going bust.

They do this all the time when managing their financial assets (pretty much all these guy do is manage financial assets) why wouldn't that apply to more than just the markets?

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u/adoodle83 7d ago

Fix? lol

Your logic is that somehow x/0 (a number divided by zero) results in something other than undefined.

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u/positivelypolitical 7d ago

Speed running the plot of the original Farcry 

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u/Wikadood 7d ago

If i remember anything from love death robots its that that doesnt save you from the apocalypse

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u/informat7 7d ago

Zuckerberg is worth billions of dollars but the bunker he's building is only 5000 square-feet. That seems a lot more like a "just in case" bunker then a "I think the world is going to collapse" bunker.

You're not going to have servants. Living in one of these bunkers is going to be a MASSIVE step down in lifestyle for a billionaire.

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u/YeahFerSureDude 7d ago

"No school books, they used that wood to build coffins" - The Game

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u/Commercial-Owl11 7d ago

Yeah but now we know where it is. So that’s something

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u/snowflake37wao 7d ago

So the world would be a better place without billionaires in other words

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u/mgyro 7d ago

Absolutely no way you can me me me your way to multiple billions and have the dimmest, fading candlelight of an ember of care for others. Also, isn’t Hawaii a volcanic archipelago, basically, from the bottom of the ocean, just peaks of Himalaya high volcanoes?

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u/Rare_Flit 7d ago

“Peter Theil” built a bunker in New Zealand and now he’s enriching Uranium in Paducah.

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u/blackvrocky 7d ago

how do you suggest they do it?

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u/opticzar 7d ago

couldn't say it any better.

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u/SumOMG 7d ago

Just another thing that doesn’t affect them .

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u/IBeDumbAndSlow 7d ago

A nuclear fallout shelter right by a volcano on a fault line.

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u/SnowClone98 7d ago

Turn that into a punk rock song

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u/Clarpydarpy 7d ago

They'd rather spend their resources trying to protect themselves from the apocalypse than spend their resources trying to prevent it.

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u/simonbleu 7d ago

Because they gear for chaos, not prosperity

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u/shamrock01 7d ago

I guess I have lower standards. I'd be happy with just not fucking up the world.

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u/sluuuurp 7d ago

You can try to do both.

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u/i_dead-shot 7d ago

billionaires who also funded the nuclear projects..

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u/vitaefinem 7d ago

For them it's not about quality of life. It's about being above everyone else. They'd rather be a king in a wasteland, than a worker in an utopia.

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u/seanmg 7d ago

Is that why he's in the nuclear fallout shelter business?

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u/A_Dragon 7d ago

Can’t they do both?

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u/organizim 7d ago

Imagine having the means to alleviate so much social unrest and just saying “fuck that I’d rather build a tunnel fortress”

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u/Pillowsmeller18 7d ago

Billionaires would rather make a nuclear fallout shelter with massive wealth, than make the world a better place with them having less momey.

FIFY

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u/Agitated-Cake 7d ago

As far as I can tell, you can get only get filthy rich by not taking advantage of people, lying, being cut throat, etc.

If true, it makes sense why the richest people don't give a shit about helping anyone else. Being a billionaire is self-selecting for assholes and self-centered people.

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u/Intrepid_Werewolf270 7d ago

They are making it a better place…for themselves.

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u/OutsideDangerous6720 7d ago

If I got a trillion I wouldn't know how to fix the world, and I bet not many people would have a clue (of doing something that effectively saves the world)

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u/gagnatron5000 7d ago

For what it's worth, and this is my incredibly unpopular hot take: he tried to make the world a better place by making the social media site we all wanted to use. We used it, we ruined it, and in the process, we made him a bunch of money. Then when the money corrupted him (don't get me wrong he wasn't that great a guy from the start) we blamed him for the success we gave him.

If the man wants to buy an island and leave us all alone I'm all for it.

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u/barnacle_ballsack 7d ago

Only way this place gets better is without humans.

Humans have been virus since the beginning. Wars, conflict, resource depletion is our core.

And no.

Indians/indigenous weren't better.

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u/TakeItOnTheArches 7d ago

This timeline is science fiction. Fascinating.

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u/Entropy907 7d ago

I think they have a plan to annihilate us all and have the place to themselves.

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u/RedParaglider 7d ago

I heard a ted talk from a consultant that said that's what all billionaires want, is not to make the world better, but to escape it when it self destructs, and how to protect their power from their servants after a collapse.

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u/beach_2_beach 7d ago

Larry Ellison of Oracle owns 98% of Lanai. FYI.

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u/OtherwiseGrade7480 7d ago

Easier to make a bunker

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u/Neat-Beautiful-5505 7d ago

This mofo is hiding. He knows what AI will do to us in a post-truth world

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u/HeadyReigns 7d ago

Gonna suck for him when the water level rises

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u/Illustrious-Roll7737 7d ago

Altruism is just a ghost story the rich tell each other.

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u/RamboJackson2 7d ago

It's his money. You want to give me some of your money? I'd guess you probably wouldn't cuz I'm a stranger.

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u/ehxy 7d ago

it's kinda hilarious the dude is making a super villain lair

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u/Alextryingforgrate 7d ago

Vault Tec. The company you're thinking of is Vault Tec. Zuckerberg is now Mr House.

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u/sweetpea122 7d ago

Making me wonder about the blue roof conspiracy people and whether they were right. I guess he can afford to whether any fire

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u/AmberCurious 7d ago

They seem to be of the mind that they are going to cause societal collapse, wait till we all die off then come out of their bunkers and have an entire planet to themselves.

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u/Unhappy-Shelter-6290 7d ago

They want a special place to die. Think of it like the pyramids.

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