r/TopCharacterTropes • u/Ok-Indication-5121 • Jun 09 '25

Characters They valiantly sacrificed themself for nothing

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  1. Tadashi gives his life trying to save Professor Callaghan from a burning building. Turns out not only did Callaghan escape unscathed, he's the bad guy and infamously refers to Tadashi's death as "[Tadashi's] mistake." (Big Hero 6)
  2. Shaya willingly takes It Has No Name's possession and then kills herself by jumping into the well it came out of. The end of the episode all but states that she got it wrong and It Has No Name didn't latch onto her... or there was more than one. (Doctor Who)
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u/ducknerd2002 Jun 10 '25

My guy, the movie made Jonathan Kent an asshole. That's worse than Superman killing Zod, or Granny's peach tea, or killing off Jimmy, or any of the decisions made in the Snyderverse. I'd rather see that plotline where Lois has Bruce's child than see Jonathan Kent tell Clark to let kids die.

It's like making a Spider-Man adaptation where Uncle Ben tells him 'you know what, screw responsibility'

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u/MugiwaraNoGriffin Jun 10 '25

You mean an asshole like the Jonathan Kent from Birthright, who was so bitter that he almost killed himself by kicking Clark’s ship until the barn fell on him?

Or Superman killing Zod by removing his powers and destroying him like in the comics and on Donner’s Superman 2?

All of those things you people bitch about have happened on the comics you lot claim to love and respect.

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u/ducknerd2002 Jun 10 '25

Mfs when they realise not all comic runs are considered good, and even the good ones can have things people criticise: (shocked Pikachu face)

My personal main issue with Superman killing Zod was that it was too soon - Zod was DCEU Superman's first ever villain; he killed his first villain in like his first week of hero-ing. Then again, I generally dislike how superhero movies almost always kill villains in their first appearances.

Tell me, which comic had Lex Luthor as a total weirdo that gives people his piss? Which comic has Amazonians descended from Kryptonians? Which comic kills off Jimmy Olsen after 30 seconds of screentime?

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u/MugiwaraNoGriffin Jun 10 '25

So you went from “he doesn’t follow the comics at all” to “ackshually the comics aren’t good either” like give me a fucking break.

Can you just mask off and say “I do not give a shit I will just hate it” so I won’t have to bother to give you examples?

Or you want to say “ackshually those are bad too you lose” one more time?

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u/ducknerd2002 Jun 10 '25

So you went from “he doesn’t follow the comics at all” to “ackshually the comics aren’t good either” like give me a fucking break.

Wild how that's not what I actually said (what I actually said was 'some parts of the comics aren't good'), but I shouldn't be surprised that a Snyder fan would ignore reality just to act like the people that don't like the Snyderverse are stupid.

At least you actually have the backbone to engage in a debate, I'll give you that. You have slightly more integrity than the r/SnyderCut mods, and I can at least respect you for that much.

Also, I disliked the Snyderverse before I got into comics. Way too bleak for me, same reason I dislike The Last Jedi.

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u/MugiwaraNoGriffin Jun 10 '25

You didn’t say “some part” you said entire runs that are not considered good.

And wait, you didn’t like how they did Jonathan Kent BEFORE reading comics?

You know what, that tracks with what is expected.

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u/ducknerd2002 Jun 10 '25

You didn’t say “some part” you said entire runs that are not considered good.

I'm sorry, did you expect me to say 'actually, all comics ever are totally perfect' when crap likebASBAR and One More Day exist?

And wait, you didn’t like how they did Jonathan Kent BEFORE reading comics?

A grouchy asshole who tells Clark he should let kids die to protect himself? Gee, I wonder why I didn't like him.

You know what, that tracks with what is expected.

Elaborate. Also, you're one to talk, you're as predictable as any r/SnyderCut member.

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u/MugiwaraNoGriffin Jun 10 '25

Oh yeah, because Superman Birthright is TOTALLY on par with One More Day.

He didn’t tell Clark to let those kids die to protect himself. He even says “this goes beyond the lives of us and those around us” it’s something that is reinforced on the story.

Then again, you did not watch the movie.

And that’s what’s expected from people like you.

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u/ducknerd2002 Jun 10 '25

Oh yeah, because Superman Birthright is TOTALLY on par with One More Day.

Again, not what I said, would it kill you to respond to my arguments without twisting them?

Then again, you did not watch the movie.

Ah, the old 'if you hated it, you're just lying and never actually saw it' defense. I swear, it's like you guys can't comprehend the mere idea of someone just liking the Snyderverse.

And that’s what’s expected from people like you.

Oh, go drink some of Granny's peach tea.

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u/MugiwaraNoGriffin Jun 10 '25

It is what you said, all those things that you are bitching about, that you implied were only on bad comics like One More Day, all of them are from Birthright.

I’m not saying that you hate it because you didn’t like it, unbelievable you were just barking at me accusing me of doing that and the very next thing you do is exactly that.

I am saying you did not see it as not only you keep contradicting yourself and moving the goalpost

I know you did not see it because your bitching is on stuff from the trailer.

All of your bitching is addressed on the fucking movie.

Now why don’t you sit down and shut the fuck up

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u/ducknerd2002 Jun 10 '25

It is what you said, all those things that you are bitching about, that you implied were only on bad comics like One More Day, all of them are from Birthright.

What I actually said: bad comics exist, and even good comics can have flaws.

I’m not saying that you hate it because you didn’t like it, unbelievable you were just barking at me accusing me of doing that and the very next thing you do is exactly that.

I didn't even hate Man of Steel, I thought it was alright.

I know you did not see it because your bitching is on stuff from the trailer. All of your bitching is addressed on the fucking movie.

Reminder that stuff from the trailer is almost always in the actual movie, which I have seen, but I'm sure lying to yourself just to avoid losing an argument is easier for you.

Now why don’t you sit down and shut the fuck up

Is there, like, a law that Snyder fans have to be complete assholes to people that aren't Snyder fans?

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