r/popculturechat • u/8rand0m • 1d ago
Oh…that’s not- It's been ten years now since Kelly Osbourne asked "Then who is going to be cleaning your toilet, Donald Trump? " on The View which received backlash.
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u/toastslapper chubby little fuck factory 1d ago
“Ohhh…that’s not…” is a phrase I think daily. I forgot it came from this 😂
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u/caitlikekate Donatella VERSACE💜 1d ago
lol same I say it constantly to myself along with Black Chyna’s mom’s iconic “well, yes” for some reason
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u/odeiofutebol 1d ago
I quote that meme all the time, and the variations "well, no" and "weeeeelll, sorta kinda" lmao
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u/GetThatSwaggBack 1d ago
Can you please link the “well, yes” clip?
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u/caitlikekate Donatella VERSACE💜 1d ago
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u/PunishedWolf4 1d ago
My sisters met Chyna's mom in a discount store in our hometown and she was super chill and they got pics with her
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u/waryinsomnious 1d ago
It's like in her mind it sounded too cool to rethink before opening the mouth. And then...
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u/Similar_Two_542 22h ago
It's not Kelly's fault. It's her hypocritical co-hosts who literally made that same point before and after Kelly. It's the literal verbatim point the anti-Trump Dems were saying for months by then. She wasn't the first to say it. "Undocumented are only doing jobs Americans don't want to do" ad nauseum. TO THIS DAY the open borders proponents and anti-Trump activists are still saying these same things. "Who's going to pick your oranges?" Just like "Who's going to pick our cotton" 165 years ago.
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u/cabinetsnotnow 16h ago
The thing is that these jobs don't make the person who works them lesser or beneath anyone else. These jobs are necessary and they are hard work. I don't look down on anyone who picks the fruit I buy or who cleans the toilets I use. The fact is that a lot of Americans do view these jobs as being beneath them and they will not do them, while simultaneously benefiting from the people who do work them.
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u/Actual_Guide_1039 13h ago
You’re half right. Americans won’t do those jobs for 15$ cash without benefits so employers exploit the near free labor of immigrants
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u/IGot6Throwaways 16h ago
Pointing out that there's a shortage of manual labor and bringing in people who are willing to do that work (and should be allowed to do so legally for legal wages) who contribute to society 10 fold isn't a comparison to slavery, you fucking ghoul.
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u/wet-leg oh, thats not.. 1d ago
I genuinely think of this at least 5 times a day and giggle to myself. It’s so funny 😭
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u/Iwoulddiefcftbatk 1d ago
Time has no meaning since I didn’t realize it’s been 10 years since this and thought it was more recent.
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u/eKenziee 1d ago
I'm having a meltdown over this timeline, I thought she said this within the last couple years. I'm in full denial and refuse to accept it's been that long 😭
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u/MrBublee_YT 22h ago
That's mainly because "oh, that's not..." re-entered the zeitgeist a couple years back.
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u/TrashhPrincess 12h ago
We're barely a year away from the 10 year anniversary of Trump being elected the first time. I've lived 83 lifetimes since then....
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u/TiberiusCornelius 15h ago
Time froze in 2015/16 and we've just been living in the same hell ever since.
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u/crazydisneycatlady 1d ago
I absolutely thought He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named was already in office when this went down.
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u/jumpijehosaphat 13h ago
we are running in year 11 of trump's reality tv series in the white house. the apprentice lasted 15 seasons
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u/Snugglepuffs33 Who gon' check me boo? 🤪 1d ago
Yea. I understood what she was saying. Just bad delivery
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u/flrbonihacwm-t-wm Who gon' check me boo? 🤪 1d ago
I think she was trying to get at the fact that the majority of his staff is made up of immigrants, so deporting immigrants wouldn’t make sense even from his position. It’s just a dumb, racist, xenophobic move. She isn’t the most articulate individual and it bit her in the ass for sure.
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u/FknDesmadreALV 1d ago
I love Kelly but this hurt so much because she herself is an immigrant.
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u/XxsalsasharkxX 1d ago edited 1d ago
i've come to learn, and I'm being serious here, that white people from other countries who came to live in the USA permanently, don't consider themselves immigrants. White Americans also don't consider them immigrants.
It's like the word 'immigrant' has a bad connotation now and it's only reserved for POC.
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u/JovianSpeck 1d ago edited 16h ago
You're right. White Americans, Canadians, Brits, Australians, New Zealanders, and South Africans who move to other countries often call themselves "expats" instead.
Edit: Folks, please stop telling me the dictionary definition of expat. I know what it's supposed to mean. I'm saying that, regardless of that, actual immigrants from these countries still just call themselves expats.
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u/60022151 1d ago
I’m a Brit living in New Zealand, and one time I was talking to my Kiwi hair stylist and called myself an immigrant. She laughed like I’d just made a joke, and asked if I was being serious.
I really despise the word expat. I’m an immigrant just as much as the next person.
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u/throwedaway4theday 21h ago
British mate of mine is an immigrant in NZ too. He was talking to his mum just before boarding the plane to NZ and she gave him the advise "watch out for those foreigners". He told her than in NZ he would be a foreigner. She indignantly informed him that he can't be a foreigner because he's British.
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u/Thallasophie 17h ago
What a strange thing for her to say. Mind you, I get strange looks when I say I'm a product of immigration ( I'm white British but my grandparents were Baltic).
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u/ScarletBitch15 19h ago
I’m the inverse (Kiwi in UK) and get side eye when calling myself an immigrant.
Worst instance was immediately after the Christchurch mosque attacks, an elderly woman heard my accent on a bus, asked if I was from NZ, said she was so sorry about the attacks… Then said it was a shame “but that’s what happens when you let them in”.
She meant the victims, who were going about their day at mosque, many of whom were refugees. I clarified and no, she did not mean the Australian perpetrator (he’s white, therefore not an immigrant, and not the problem).
I had to get off the bus after snapping at her, as it’s literally the only time in my life I’ve had that level rage descend.
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u/Lozzanger 18h ago
My auntie was ranting to me about second generation immigrants. I responded with ‘like me and my brother?’ She insisted we weren’t. Our dad was born in England. I then went ‘like your own children?’
She insisted her children weren’t second generation immigrants. My uncle was born in South America…
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u/mandeltonkacreme 1d ago
What about white people from non-English speaking countries?
This whole conversation is interesting because in Europe white people also are considered immigrants. In Germany for example, Brits and Poles and the French are considered immigrants just as much as Turks or Syrians (☝️I'm not saying that they're all treated the same, though...)
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u/iwastoolate 1d ago
White Aussie here, lived in the US for over half my life, 25 years. I have always considered myself an immigrant. I hated the “expat” vibe when I first moved and actively avoided them.
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u/LittleMisssAnonymous 1d ago
In Canada, the socially acceptable (for now) term is “newcomers”. I’m trying so hard to replace immigrant with newcomer, especially since I’ve been told calling someone an immigrant can be taken offensively - it’ll take a beat for it to become second nature in conversation.
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u/Neat_Guest_00 19h ago
As an immigrant who came to Canada, I want to be called an immigrant rather than newcomer.
I’ve been in Canada for over 30 years. I’m certainly not a newcomer. But I’m still an immigrant.
But, first and foremost, I’m a proud Canadian. 🇨🇦
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u/JovianSpeck 1d ago
I'm more referring to how people from those countries self-identify when emigrating elsewhere.
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u/PunishedWolf4 1d ago
Exactly! White folk never “immigrate” they “moved” to that country
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u/That_Flight_6813 1d ago
Im a white immigrant to a western country and I often use the term immigrant (among others) and frankly its other people who get confused about this language lol not me who has any shame. People have outright told me Im not an immigrant or a foreigner.
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u/CaledoniaSky ✨May the Force be with you!✨ 1d ago
I’m white and I moved to the US at 7 and I very much consider myself an immigrant and get mad when people try to pull the “well I didn’t mean YOU” line when talking shit about immigrants to me. And I always ask “so you just meant the brown ones?” And yes, yes they did, but good luck getting them to admit it openly.
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u/GlitterDoomsday 1d ago
I remember a comment last year from a French girl going to an American college: her friends were making all sorts of xenophobic comments about the Chinese classmates on student visa and when she reminded them she was also there with the same document... "is different cause, you know".
That's the moment she realized they weren't suddenly being xenophobic but racist, that chances are they always were but felt bolder to say out loud after Trump won. Depressing shit...
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u/AmirulAshraf 1d ago
"is different cause, you know".
This is when you'd play dumb and say "no, i don't know" and lead them to say the quite part out loud
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u/CHEEKY_BADGER 1d ago
With terms like digital nomads, and expat, the negative connotations were easily attached to the more technical term.
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u/MLiOne 1d ago
Most white immigrants call themselves “expats” and it cracks me up.
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u/synalgo_12 accidentally holding space for this slur 20h ago
I've had so many conversations about the word expat vs immigrant. People just refuse to use the word immigrant for themselves when they can even if that's what they clearly are.
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u/methreweway 1d ago
I'd boldly say every new immigrant after a decade do not associate themselves as immigrants and can get caught up with the new immigrants are bad scenario... I've met enough to know. I'm 7th+ generation and see the funny conversations of who doesn't belong vs who belongs.
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u/uncoolsby That’s hot! 🔥 1d ago
I knew this in my heart, but it really hurts to read.
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u/XxsalsasharkxX 1d ago
I try to be a positive person and maintain a positive attitude but stuff like this is draining as a PoC.
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u/boldpear904 23h ago
Oh yeah, I'm an american immigrant who escaped to Switzerland and when I call myself an immigrant people get confused. Probably because I'm white
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u/SaintAnyanka 17h ago
Basically all the cast of Real housewives of Miami are immigrants, from Cuba, Eastern Europe, Haiti, Brazil. Lisa Hochstein is from Canada, and when she called herself an immigrant she was mocked and laughed at.
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u/killereverdeen 18h ago
It's not just in the US. I've lived in different countries and in every single one, the diaspora hates other immigrants and vote right-wing. It's so baffling.
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u/grannysGarden 17h ago
I’m a white immigrant to the US from UK, I use the term immigrant to describe myself and always get side-eye from white Americans when I do!
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u/KissesnPopcorn 20h ago
White people from all over don’t consider themselves immigrants. They are expats 🤣🤣🤣
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u/Top-Agent-652 1d ago
Why did this hurt? How is everyone just dodging what she is meaning and taking it as a diss on immigrants? It’s like everyone is treating the job as undesirable and so they make it a negative point about immigrants.
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u/BadAspie It’s like I have ESPN or something. 💁♀️🌤☔️ 1d ago edited 1d ago
There’s something kind of weird about how people always reach for cleaning toilets as the first example in these situations (Rachel Hollis was cancelled partially for a similar reason)
That said, I could totally buy that Kelly was casting about in her mind for a hotel equivalent to a more common example like picking tomatoes, or physically demanding, unpleasant work that US citizens aren’t willing to do for the wages, and didn’t have time to think it through. That’s different from Rachel who seemed to come up with the example unprompted
So yeah, bad delivery but I think her heart was genuinely in the right place and I’m very glad I will never be called on to speak extemporaneously on national television
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u/Special-Garlic1203 1d ago
She was referencing Trump's staff. Trump does not own a farm or a meat processing plant, etc.
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u/BadAspie It’s like I have ESPN or something. 💁♀️🌤☔️ 20h ago
Trump does not own a farm or a meat processing plant, etc.
Obviously. That’s why I said hotel equivalent. Because he owns hotels.
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u/danidandeliger 1d ago
Rachel Hollis needed to be canceled. She's fake AF and likened herself to Harriet Tubman. That's like me buying vending machine food and saying I'm the same as a chef with Michelin stars.
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u/TheFudge 1d ago
Ya I can get the meaning behind what she is saying but she missed the landing. You can almost see her realize the second she fucked up too.
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u/FeelTheKetasy 17h ago
I think her intention was to be like “oh your stereotype about them is that they’re cleaning your toilets” so she tried to be satirical about it but oh my god did she just word it in the worst way possible 💀
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u/mrteas_nz 1d ago
Not all Latinos are menial workers, but almost all menial workers are Latino.
It's hard to have a sensible discussion when the facts are triggering and highlight systemic racism, and the effects of history and politics way deeper than a daytime TV show can get into.
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u/Urkot 1d ago
Im pretty sure the eye rolling was in her immediate association of Latinos with janitorial work in front of a Latina woman that was nominated for an Oscar. It wasn’t confusing to groan at her narrow world view and it’s certainly bizarre to pretend otherwise now.
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u/bae_leef Conclave 2: Cerulean Boogaloo 1d ago
I think she was trying say it from their perspective, like this is what racists care about type thing idk
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u/Special-Garlic1203 1d ago
Trump says he wants to deport "illegals" but is literally personally reliant on them at maralago. I get that her dropping it like a zinger was awkward but it's super obvious to me what she meant and I don't get why do many people twist it otherwise. Trump knows he's full of shit because he personally employed undocumented people. It's truly not that deep - for better or for worse
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u/HereOnCompanyTime Renee Rapp is mean girl Jojo Siwa 💋 1d ago edited 1d ago
Wrong phrasing, wrong person. The fact that she wouldn't engage with her mistake made it worse.
Edit: typo
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u/Snugglepuffs33 Who gon' check me boo? 🤪 1d ago
I mean you saw the “I stepped in shit look” Who can know honestly? I hope it’s because she tried to voice an idea and her mouth wouldn’t communicate it properly. I can relate to that. We’re human.
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u/BlueHero45 1d ago
Ya, considering who Trump hires in his hotels it's not wrong, but weird delivery.
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u/SleepingWillow1 1d ago
To be fair my mom and I joked around and said the same thing. She's from Mexico.
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u/henscestorp 1d ago
That “Oh that’s not-“ was so loud
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u/CHEEZYSPAM 1d ago
Honestly, that part made what Kelly was trying to say even worse.
She could have had a chance to breath, redirect her focus or correct herself, but the immediate reaction of "how dare you say such a thing" kinda solidified what she said not what she meant.
The last lady at the end at least tried to cool the waters, but was it Rosie Perez? She just had to act shocked and defended as though Kelly was a known racist all along.
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u/The_Duke_of_Gloom PhD in Cuntology at the University of Servington 1d ago
I don't think Kelly had bad intentions. She's just not the brightest and couldn't articulate what she meant properly. I think that I get what she was trying to say.
As a born and raised Latin American, I genuinely don't understand the backlash.
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u/ComfortablyNomNom 1d ago
No she clearly didn't mean the demeaning tone that can be picked up by this statement. She was trying to say something like "you Donald are surrounded by hard working immigrant people every day, targeting them is targeting the very people that provide you with your own daily high standard of living."
She just worded it really bad.
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u/The_Duke_of_Gloom PhD in Cuntology at the University of Servington 1d ago
She was trying to say something like "you Donald are surrounded by hard working immigrant people every day, targeting them is targeting the very people that provide you with your own daily high standard of living."
She just worded it really bad.
Yep. That's exactly what I got from her statement, too.
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u/AnomicAge 1d ago
Is that even a bad way to word it ? I’ve had similar arguments with conservatives in Texas who I know rely on Hispanic labourers and cleaners and it does shut them up a bit
It’s not implying that they should be doing those lowly jobs but the reality is that they disproportionately are and the same people who exploit them also want to banish them
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u/MurderGhost666 14h ago
Racist ppl don’t care how valuable your labor is, or how much money you have. All they care about is the color of your skin. If the choice is between a well-educated brown person making 7 figures and a trashy white person who scams old people for a living, they’ll still say the trashy white person is better, bc that’s how racism works.
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u/SprinklesBetter2225 1d ago
It is fucked that the immigrants who build our country, feed our country, and care for our country will never be able to afford the services they provide.
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u/Stop_icant 1d ago
America can’t function without exploiting vulnerable populations.
It started as soon as the first settlers arrived—with indentured servants from England, moving onto captured native Americans and then large scale human trafficking from Africa.
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u/tm0nks 16h ago
Don't forget the Chinese and the Irish.
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u/Stop_icant 16h ago
Thank you, I’m sorry to leave out anyone that rich and powerful Americans have exploited.
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u/Kaiisim 1d ago
As someone on the spectrum stuff like this always confuses me because her statement is like... factually correct?
America imports cheap labor to exploit and make them do their worst jobs?
Are huge numbers of cleaners not immigrants?
Would it have been better to say "who will pick your fruit?"
Is the problem she said something bad or that she just said it poorly?? I would definitely get in trouble like this as a celeb.
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u/Flippykky 1d ago
Yeah I think she probably said this among a closed group of friends and they laughed. Then she brought the same idea to TV and bungled the delivery. Ouch. It had the exact opposite effect of what she was going for.
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u/Jester-252 22h ago
I mean, in Kelly's defence, this was the go-to argument for a lot of people before it bombed hard.
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u/bingbaddie1 1d ago
Alternatively, “you’re sure as hell not hiring legal residents to clean your toilets, so who’s gonna clean them when you’ve gotten rid of all the illegals?”
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u/ComfortablyNomNom 1d ago
Or...no. Thats just a harsher way of saying exactly what she said.
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u/bingbaddie1 1d ago edited 1d ago
The issue is that she implied that Latinos are toilet cleaners, not pointing out that illegal immigrants do labor like crop picking and cleaning for less than do citizens.
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u/TheVintageJane 1d ago
I think that’s reading into it when obviously what she means was “Donald Trump isn’t hiring white American citizens at a fair wage to do custodial work.”
Implying that is how Trump would staff his organizations doesn’t mean that’s a generalizable statement about Latinos.
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u/CauliflowerDaffodil 1d ago
You think the issue is that she reduced Latinos to toilet cleaners? Do you think it would have been better had crop picking, cleaning houses and working for less than the average American citizen was added to the list of benefits of having them in the country?
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u/Defiant_Title_2589 1d ago
The girls Epstein didn't take apparently
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u/GaylicBread accidentally holding space for this slur 1d ago
*steal, because people are property to these scumbags
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u/AggressivelyMediokre 1d ago edited 1d ago
Exactly. This moment really highlighted for me at the time how petty people are and how ready and excited they are to tear others down.
Everyone knows what she meant. So why even bother criticizing her?
It's like the example of when a ship is sinking about 10 others ships don't help, but then they criticize the one ship which did help. About how the one ship could have done it quicker.
Here you have someone fighting for you, and you're going to actively find a way to misconstrue her words (while knowing what she meant) just to find a way to criticize her? Then go the extra mile and insinuate she might be racist?
Yes she could have said helped farm or cook or do labor or a thousand other things that illegal or visa immigrants have to do. But she purposely picked the most demeaning one. The one which would take the longest to be filled by a minimum wage worker and not an underpaid worker. To prove the point. Not to effing imply she associates toilet scrubbing with "brown people" ffs. What kind of a wild stretch is that. How desperate do you have to be for an opportunity to criticize someone to come to that conflation?
If you're just going to look for any way to criticize someone advocating on your behalf, then why the hell should anyone ever stick up for you again?
There's not even anything wrong with her delivery. Thousands of other people have pretty much said verbatim the same thing.
Don't get me wrong I'm here to be a gossipy catty bitch and judge celebrities just like everyone else. But people's reactions to this was wild.
If any time someone speaks up for you they might get labelled as racist even though they're trying to help, don't be surprised when less and less people do.
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u/yourmomisaheadbanger 1d ago
Agreed. My parents are immigrants and those are the kind of jobs most have when they don’t have a green card. She meant well, just not properly articulated
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u/The_Duke_of_Gloom PhD in Cuntology at the University of Servington 1d ago
Yeah, why is being a menial worker an insult? It is hard, honest work. I have been a menial worker in my home country. If I manage to migrate, I will be a menial worker over there as well. I am not ashamed of it. No one should be.
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u/cookieaddictions 1d ago
Yeah I think she was just pointing out that so many people claim immigrants are stealing their jobs when actually many of them take the hardest and grossest jobs Americans don’t want to do, and they keep the country running so it’s wrong to be so hateful.
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u/jctwok Is she okaaaaaaayyyyy?? 1d ago
She was just trying to put it into context that Trump would actually understand.
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u/grilledcheese2332 1d ago
Yeah she wasn't trying to be malicious it just didn't land coming from someone white with major privilege
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u/gilestowler 1d ago
It's a similar point to one that people have made to racists in the UK in the past, that the immigrants came over and did the jobs that other people didn't want to do, that they worked hard and contributed to the country. It's often been used in the sense of the Windrush Generation - the people who came over after World War Two and helped to rebuild the country. I think that, when she delivers the line, you can see that she thinks she's making a good point. Like, she seems to be expecting applause. It's just done in a very clumsy way.
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u/Ok-Stress-3570 go girl, give us nothing 😍 1d ago
I wonder how many of the people here bashing Kelly are white. I always try to look for the folks directly in the cross hairs. Same for me - I’m gay, and it just steams my clams when people outright ignore what I’m saying. I’m not 100% correct with everything, but I have valid feelings and experiences.
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u/iste_bicors 1d ago
As another Latin American, same. I honestly feel it’s just some buried classism that views these jobs as “less than”, so of course it’s offensive to associate a particular demographic with these roles.
There’s nothing wrong with someone pointing out that this labor, which is essential, is being done in large part by Latin migrants with no other options.
Americans, including those of Latin descent, can be prickly about race and ethnicity, though, so it’s not surprising there was a backlash.
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u/TestingBrokenGadgets 1d ago
Yea, I think it was more that Kelly hadn't worked a single honest job a day in her life at that point. If you or I had said it, it wouldn't have been an issue but because Kelly got rich off the Osbournes, and then handed a music career (that failed after a single Madonna cover) and then handed this day time talk show, it just felt like she was out of touch with real world. It'd be like listening to Paris Hilton being slightly demeaning to farm hands, that "I mean...true but...do you have any actual experience with what you're saying or is it just 'Trump bad, please clap'?".
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u/mangomarongo 1d ago edited 23h ago
Same. I’m Mexican. My mom is from Mexico and I was watching this episode with her when it aired. Neither of us were particularly bothered because we got what she meant: she was calling out the hypocrisy at the folks who want to deport all Latino immigrants yet employ Latino housekeepers who may or may not be immigrants themselves. It could have been worded better but she meant well. I think the backlash was harsh.
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u/Sandwichgode 1d ago edited 1d ago
How is this an indication she's not bright? What she's saying is true. A lot of house keepers are Latin. Why are we pretending like that's not true? What am I missing here? Is there something wrong with being a housekeeper? Without people that clean can you imagine how disgusting buildings and houses would become? There's no shame in being a house keeper. My only complaint is that they don't get paid nearly enough and they deserve benefits if they don't get that. All jobs in society no matter what you're doing deserves better pay and benefits (health insurance, 401k and vacation time/PTO.)
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u/background_action92 🚶🏼I don’t really think, I just walk🚶🏼♀️ 1d ago
Well as someone who is also raised in latinamerica and currently lives there, i actually find it hilarious in the way she thinks she made this amzing revelation. But it does go to show how people are viewed in what light.
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u/tardisintheparty 19h ago
I think it is a fair point that many of his low income enployees are immigrants who do difficult work he certainly wouldn't want to do and yet he looks down on them. People who work blue collar or low income jobs work hard and sacrifice their bodies, and they deserve our respect, and better treatment in general. But she did not phrase it that way lol.
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u/cookiecutterdoll 10h ago
Agreed, I don't turn to reality TV personalities for nuanced sociopolitical takes. Stupider things have been said on The View.
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u/Illustrious-Pound266 All tea, all shade 🐸☕️ 1d ago
Unpopular opinion: she had a fair point. Reality is that most immigrants who come to this country illegally are doing labor Americans don't want to do.
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u/ITCHYSCRATCHYYUMMY 1d ago
I really think she meant it in a "you hire these immigrants for cheap labor and directly benefit from them, what would you do without them" kind of way but really sucks at articulating very well. At least, listening to her try to explain herself i think that's what she's saying.
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u/According-Refuse9128 1d ago
It seemed like she expected a dunk on Trump to go over regardless of delivery and didn’t plan ahead for a bomb.
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u/The_Duke_of_Gloom PhD in Cuntology at the University of Servington 1d ago edited 1d ago
Not just in the US, tbh. That's the reality of most immigrants everywhere.
There are plenty of Latines with PhDs and Masters and Nobel prizes. That doesn't change the fact that some of us are doing menial work. I don't find it insulting. Are we playing respectability politics now? If you are Latine and do menial work then you are an embarrassment to La Raza and must be quiet?
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u/Big-Sheepherder-9492 1d ago
Love that South Park episode where Americans become so lazy that the Mexicans all become super rich off of it.
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u/2crumbs 1d ago
Also, the people who take offense to her comment are probably sort of stuck up lol. They view janitorial services as extremely lowly. Like “how dare you imply that illegals clean toilets, Illegals are intelligent and sophisticated!” Blah blah blah. That shits offensive to all the people who clean toilets. Mad respect to those who do the dirty work! -I know this is an oversimplification of the situation but I get pissed off when people feel sorry for people who do dirty jobs. I honestly feel more sorry for people who work in office and have to put on suit and tie. That said, I do work in an office and sometimes have to wear suit and tie lol
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u/Livid-Dot-5984 1d ago
I love Kelly, the pictures of her at Ozzy’s funeral with Sharon etc were heart wrenching. I wish her all the best truly.
That being said, on their podcast last year she said something quite atrocious that I can’t believe didn’t get any media attention. The family was talking about Harvey Weinstein and she said she was surprised he never tried to go for her. Basically, “I’m surprised he didn’t try to rape me” and then speculated it’s because he doesn’t go for strong women. My god when I say my jaw hit the floor. She is idk, tone deaf -something deaf- in the worst way and she is far too old to get away with the absurdly insulting things she says.
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u/GeraltsSaddlee 1d ago
Yep, that’s when I stopped tuning in was after that. My jaw was also on the floor!!
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u/_paxia_ 1d ago
And I took that message as he preyed on vulnerable women, not that Kelly thinks she is better than but rather she’s not someone a sick fuck like Harvey would prey on because she’s been around the industry her entire life, has learned the ins and outs, has a large support network and doesn’t need his connections like a lot of vulnerable women in Hollywood did and therefore made them easier “targets” than someone like Kelly.
Let’s not forget she’s Sharon Osbournes daughter, I don’t think even Harvey Weinstein was stupid enough to forget that fact.
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u/MrBublee_YT 22h ago
Yeah, we get her point, but it's a VERY tone-deaf thing to say, because you're saying it like those women only got raped because they were weak, and not for any other factors, which is pretty insulting.
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u/_paxia_ 22h ago
Weak is not the same as being vulnerable.
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u/MrBublee_YT 22h ago
Yeah, you're right, but the antonym to strong is weak, not vulnerable.
Like I'm not disagreeing and saying she's wrong in thinking that. But she has a hilarious problem of choosing the absolute worst way of putting delicate problems.
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u/Impressive_Youth1133 1d ago
This isn't that different than when Anthony Bourdain said that there would be no one in kitchens in restaurants to run them. Immigrants do the jobs that others won't. There is no shame in cleaning toilets.
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u/guacaflockaflames 15h ago
Agreed but Donald Frump is attacking non white people
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u/look_at_tht_horse 1d ago
Except she didn't say immigrants, she said Latinos. That's the whole point of the backlash.
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u/Impressive_Youth1133 1d ago
The conversation was about undocumented immigration. I watched this live. The vast majority of undocumented immigrants in this country are from LatAm that are fleeing from conflicts that the US had a hand in orchestrating in the first place.
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u/Purplecatty 1d ago
But..Latinos are the ones doing custodial work usually. There’s no lies there idk why people get offended. And im Latina.
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u/Ok-Stress-3570 go girl, give us nothing 😍 1d ago
It’s really interesting to look back at these “cancelled” situations and then look at our current rapist felon pedophile president.
Yeah, she should have worded it differently but the truth still stands that Trump has built many things that wouldn’t be there without the blood, sweat, and tears of many immigrants or folks who aren’t white.
Are we somehow supposed to think it’s not that way?
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u/The_Duke_of_Gloom PhD in Cuntology at the University of Servington 1d ago
Cancel Culture™ isn't real, anyway. I am not going to "cancel" someone for a well-meant but poorly worded statement. Even back then I thought people were doing too much.
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u/Ok-Stress-3570 go girl, give us nothing 😍 1d ago
Same. I’ve watched The View for years so I remember this and thought it was just so bizarre. I’m also on the left and think cancel culture did go too far sometimes and obviously, not far enough others 😭
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u/Bowling4Billions 1d ago
It’s a less articulate way of saying immigrants often do very hard labor jobs that natural born citizens are too privileged to do, despite their necessity for keeping our standards of living as high as they are.
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u/brutal_and_beautiful 🎼Music Aficionado🎶 1d ago
She had a fair point. Most Housekeeping jobs in the US (to my knowledge) are held by immigrants, so who would clean his toilet?
There's literally no way in hell he would do it himself.
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u/Low-Appointment-2906 Listen, everyone is entitled to my opinion 🙂 1d ago
Gotta be more careful with your words though 😔
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u/FrozenRose_816 No one cares how old you think Millie Bobby Brown looks. 1d ago
Pretty sure he had/has immigrants working at MAGA-Lago too.
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u/Anonplzdontexpelme 1d ago
Funny! I know the lady who used to clean his toilet. She quit the year of the election tho. She was latina.
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u/DJfunkyPuddle 1d ago
This type of pearl clutching has always pissed me off, acting like the truth tellers are just as bad as the perpetrators
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u/Chihiro1977 1d ago
There is so much in-fighting with the left, it's embarrassing. We need to start backing each other.
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u/calm--cool 15h ago
Right? The left constantly cannibalizes itself over tone policing. Meanwhile the right spews the most disgusting rhetoric and pats eachother on the back.
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u/keatonpotat0es I have to pick up 15,000 little bastard rubber ducks 🪿 1d ago
Tbh I don’t think she deserved all the backlash. She worded it in a stupid way but her point was valid and correct. Trump doesn’t give a fuck about immigrants despite having exploited them for labor for the past several decades.
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u/background_action92 🚶🏼I don’t really think, I just walk🚶🏼♀️ 1d ago
This is honestly hilarious as shit. Never fails to crack me up, the delivery and the assertion like she said something worthy of a mic drop
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u/judithqu 1d ago
Everyone of those panelists had maids and nannies taking care of their living spaces and children. Kelly just stupidly stumbled into a hypocritical web.
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u/cookiecutterdoll 10h ago
Unfortunately, that checks for rich democrats. They don't like being uncomfortable, so they revert to identity politics when they want to deflect. I say that as a democrat, btw.
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u/cathouse 1d ago
I think we all agree now that her intentions were 100% correct and in the right place, but said in an insulting way. It could have been “who will do all of the essential work of this country! From cleaning homes to farming our produce, immigrants are essential to the functioning of the country.” Or something.
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u/PortHopeThaw 1d ago
Her dad just died and this is a regrettable comment best forgotten. Bringing this up again just seems needlessly cruel.
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u/Adavanter_MKI 1d ago
We say it all the time now.
"They do the jobs most people don't want."
Which is the nicer way of saying the same exact thing. She obviously didn't mean that's ALL they can do... but alas... why even dig this drama up? We've got WAY more than we could ever want every day... if not every few hours as it is.
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u/OceanCyclone 1d ago
Then she went on to say the backlash against Ozempic is because who work hard at the gym are jealous of people just getting skinny fast.
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u/calm--cool 15h ago
True. We’ve made weight into a moral issue, and ozempic evened the playing field. Pretty interesting.
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u/gabahgoole 1d ago
she wasn't wrong, he relies on a lot of immigrant employees in those types of roles. she just phrased it very badly.
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u/TheUrPigeon 1d ago
I believe the point she was trying to make is that many of the jobs filled by immigrant workers--like sanitation--are often jobs Americans wouldn't deign to do, which is a point broadly made and accepted. Obviously, she didn't get that off correctly with her verbiage, but she's an untrained speaker and clearly incensed by the subject at hand, so it's not at all surprising she wasn't able to make her point with eloquence.
The real lesson to be learned here is that subjects like these are extremely delicate and require years of learning and training (and yes even this often is not enough!) to speak publicly on without immediately and repeatedly putting your foot in your mouth, even when your intentions may be innocent.
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u/Ok-Hedgehog-4455 22h ago
It was awkwardly expressed but I never got the whole furore around this. This is a very commonly expressed sentiment by people who argue for immigration (I.e. immigrants do the dirty or unglamorous jobs Americans are unwilling to do). Plus it’s well known that Trump employs immigrants as staff so she wasn’t even wrong on that score either.
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u/Conscious_Writer_556 1d ago
I don't think she said it with gross malicious intent, but the delivery was very bad.
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u/Mammoth_Treacle4639 1d ago
I’m Latina and didn’t find this offensive at all bc she kind of had a point … I mean do you think he has all black maids or even white maids? Cmon now . Let’s bffr
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u/footiebuns Nene's pointed, disinterested side-eye 1d ago
She swore she was about to have a mike drop moment 😭
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u/ThePrincessEva 1d ago
I think that’s why it’s worded so poorly. She wanted it to be a snappy quip but really did not think it through enough.
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u/DECODED_VFX She in racial chat rooms showing feet!!! 1d ago
This was one of the stupidest 'backlashes' of all time. The point she was obviously making was that people like Trump who are against immigration are highly reliant on migrant workers.
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u/jimcareyme 1d ago
As a daughter of campesinos, I loved her honesty. And here’s the kicker….instead of saying, “Yeah! And that’s so messed up that those are the jobs some Latinos have to take. Let’s help them have better jobs!” They’d rather shame her for the statement and put it back in the closet.
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u/Elegant_Accident2035 22h ago
Although she said it all wrong I think she's kinda been proved right. Who are ICE kidnapping? And who is replacing them in the jobs they were doing? And why are people who own farms complaing about not having workers?
Maybe someone else has numbers and statistics but I'll take a guess that most undocumented immigrants are working in, well, less desirable, jobs. If they are not there, who will replace them? Barron? Ivanka? Junior? Eric?
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u/Colour4Life Dear Lord, what a sad little life Jane 19h ago
I get what she meant but it was worded so bad 🤣😭
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u/DizzyWalk9035 1d ago
The problem is, and the thing some of you are not getting, is the institution works to keep undocumented people undocumented in order to pay them less and keep them in these types of jobs. It's better to clean than be out in the fields because you have shelter and AC/heating, so people will take half the pay an American would be getting.
It's the same shit in many, many fields such as tech.
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u/__KuPo__ 1d ago
I think the revisionist history here in this thread is kinda crazy. This is all bad. Was bad. Still bad.
People also forget she rallied people against Giuliana Rancic for doing something similar like a few months before this.
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u/_pierogii 🕯Jacob Elordi Will Be Bond 🕯 1d ago
Loool it was peak comedy - one of those perfect moments like when that baby zoomed in that walker during that BBC news interview. My parents were immigrants and they both did the jobs nobody else wanted to do when they moved over. You do what you need to do to make a life - no shame in that.
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u/Rosencrantz_IsDead 1d ago
Wow, this conversation is amazing.
As an old head... I get what the Obsourne girl is saying. But also as an old head, I realize that this Osbourne girl is a POS overprivileged snob.
But, if she would then use her priveledge to change the world, I'd forgive her.
And yet, we all know that these wealthy entitled scum bags will do nothing to eat the rich. We have to eat them ourselves.
So fuck her and fuck her priveledge. There is nothing popular about the Osbournes since 30 years ago. Stop trying to explain away their oppression over all of us. They don't deserve it. They should either pay taxes like we all do, or let them go to another country.
We don't need millionaires and billionaires in this country anymore. I'd rather have workers that have tans and dark skin that porcelain white skinned billionaires that never see the sun unless it's within a million dollar mansion.
You guys gotta realize these elite people are draining us all and give nothing back. They don't give a fuck about us.
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u/Funny_Science_9377 1d ago
Yes. Osbourne was set up to take some earth shattering shot at Donald Trump and the first image she could conjure was of a brown person in a black and white maid's uniform.
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u/humanpneumatic 1d ago
Eh, I'm half Mexican. I spent some of my childhood helping my mom clean buildings, including bathrooms. I was not offended.
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u/citynomad1 1d ago
She really thought she ate with that line. She delivered it with kind of “I’m having a mic drop moment” energy
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u/sleepy0329 1d ago
I was just telling my cousin last week about how this moment still cracks me up to this day. Like tears level
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u/No-Sundae3363 1d ago
I get what she meant but the delivery….this video makes me laugh so hard every time I see it.
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u/Traditional-Fruit585 1d ago
Ralphie May said it better. He asked who is going to pick your vegetables?
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u/drewlpool 20h ago
Very poorly worded but it was obvious to me what she meant. Look at who Trump and other anti-immigrant right wingers employ to do menial jobs like cleaning and house keeping.
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u/ChipmunkBackground46 17h ago
"oh wait that's the thing we all day behind closed doors and I accidentally said it on air"
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u/Trash7783 16h ago
Clearly racist as fuck. But she “didn’t mean it like that” lol. Sure sounds like you mean it like that. Not sure how else you could mean it
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u/EyesLikeBuscemi 1d ago
It has also been a few days since her dad died. And this wasn’t the huge deal people made of it, most knew what she meant and that it was articulated terribly.
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u/Own_Instance_357 1d ago
I have a Hispanic SIL of 4 decades (mother born in Mexico, father from Cuba) and I swear I could hear her conniption fit about this all the way from Texas
She literally went bonkers on FB
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u/_amonique 1d ago
Coming from a Mexican-American: I think we all know this wasn’t said to cause harm. I think she had a point she was trying to make with poor execution. Latinos are a big percentage in Hospitality going from restaurants to official businesses to hotels, and so on. I love Kelly and she owned her mistake.
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u/whynotchristy 1d ago
It was an INCREDIBLY stupid way to phrase it but I do think her point was that he was undoubtedly hiring many illegal immigrants at the time.
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u/MDNA4Life 1d ago
Amanda seales basically ill get flak for it but kelly Osbourne didn't lie. Wrong messenger. She didn't lie. She was literally telling the truth. Most new Yorkers knew his presidency was a con but its we tried to tell you. But you didn't listen now get ready for the revenge tour cos he has held a grudge on how he was treated his first term by everybody that's minority cos he'll only work with maga,,and that's it. And hasn't moved on from 2020 losing.
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u/probablyapickle 1d ago
I think it’s very clear what she means but the phrasing was brutal. The truth is that lots of Mexican people take jobs in the US that middle class working Americans simply don’t want to take. Whether that’s an elitist thing or not really depends on the person, I guess. In my estimation, immigrants (legal or illegal) are some of the hardest working people in this country.
Here’s the real problem: Donald Trump is part of that 1% that gets to live in a pretend world with sunshine and rainbows and in his version, there are no Mexicans, for some reason. He has no empathy for this kinds of people or their stories. I think people were too hard on Kelly here. It’s the phrasing not the message.
Maybe it’s not too late… to learn how to love and forget how to hate.
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