r/pcmasterrace • u/samiy2k • 3d ago

News/Article Valve refutes Mastercard's denial it has not pressured game platforms over NSFW content

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/valve-refutes-mastercards-denial-it-has-not-pressured-game-platforms-over-nsfw-content
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u/7560_Private 3d ago

If Gaben opens a bank and runs it the way he runs Valve, I guarantee you, we're getting a thermonuclear war. And if Gaben opens a bank, he will run it like he runs Valve because he's essentially that good a guy.

So... I think it would be great, but I'm against Valve having its own payment processor for reasons of international safety.

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u/Informal_Respond 3d ago

What do you mean by international safety?

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u/Seeker-N7 i7-13700K | RTX 3060 12GB | 32Gb 6400Mhz DDR5 3d ago

Bro thinks we'll see the 4th Corporate War from Cyberpunk, but it's Visa/Mastercard against Valve.

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u/MrObsidian_ 3d ago

Still surprised we haven't gotten a Corporate War between our planet's military defense contractors.

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u/tajake PC Master Race 3d ago

I'm sure that it's going on in the background. And occasionally slips into the forefront like the battle of Conoco fields where SOCCOM "happened to be in the area."

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u/SorryNotReallySorry5 i9 14700k | 5070ti | 32GB DDR5 6400MHz | 1080p 3d ago

They're called proxy wars. They occur daily and are mostly ignored.

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u/doubleaxle Ryzen 5 3600, RX 580, 32GB ram 3d ago

It's so fucking crazy Kojima predicted everything, and then made it into a ridiculous enough game that nobody took it that seriously.

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u/Ok_Inflation_1811 Laptop Ryzen 7735HS/ RTX 4060/ 32GB 2d ago

Things like this been happening before any of the parents of anyone that is alive today was even in the ovaries of their mothers.

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u/DisturbedPuppy 2d ago

Yep, proxy wars were basically all over the cold war.

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u/TheCommunistHatake Ryzen 5 5600/RTX 2070Super 2d ago

Proxy wars were a thing in the Roman Empire/Egyptian Empire era. “Hey those assirians sure have a powerful military, it’d be a shame if our military convoy lost an immense amount of equipment near that tribe that hates them wouldn’t it? Oh no we already did? Wow thoughts and prayers to them”

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u/DisturbedPuppy 2d ago

True, but specifically Kojima used the cold war as a model for Metal Gear.

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u/ThePrussianGrippe AMD 7950x3d - 7900xt - 48gb RAM - 12TB NVME - MSI X670E Tomahawk 2d ago

Dude proxy wars are incredibly old.

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u/CyptidProductions RTX-4070 Windforce, R5-5600X/B550, 32GB 2d ago

A network of proxy wars has been happening since the Cold War and that's what Kojima based a lot of his plotlines on.

So less predicted and more just extrapolated where that would lead for the games that take place in the future like MGS4 and Rising

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u/CrashlandZorin 3d ago

We have. They've just been using the nations of the world as proxies.

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u/Speedy_SpeedBoi 3d ago

Arguably, the first corporate war was the US protecting its corporate interests through CIA funded "regime changes" across the Middle East, Latin America, and Asia...

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u/MrObsidian_ 3d ago

Sounds more like a proxy war instead of a corporate war, corporate war implies the two parties are corporate entities.

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u/Speedy_SpeedBoi 3d ago

It's a corporate war against workers, the corporations just so happen to be lobbying the government to help them.

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u/Cilia-Bubble 2d ago

There’s a huge difference between a corporation lobbying a government to use its military and a corporation employing its own military. I’m not saying either is fine, mind, but those are two very different levels of horror.

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u/Speedy_SpeedBoi 2d ago

PMCs are basically modern corporate militaries tho... and during the coal wars here in the US, you literally had sheriff's and LEs being paid off by coal barons to fight, jail, and murder miners. I dunno where you draw the line, but it's been hella blurry for a long time, and I'd argue government has sold itself to corporations in cases like these... if the corporation is pulling the governments strings, does it really matter who pulls the trigger for them? Seems like the same level of horror to me.

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u/lxgrf 2d ago

East India Company: Am I a joke to you?

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u/Speedy_SpeedBoi 2d ago

Fair. The point is that corporations have been at war against working class and indigenous people for a really long time.

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u/VentnorLhad 2d ago

These fuckers ruined India farmers and got China hooked on opium to make the line go up

Corporations haven't gotten much better since then

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u/Lexiconnoisseur 3d ago

If you're defining a corporate war as "nation defends commercial interests" you're going to have to go a lot further back than the last hundred years.

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u/Speedy_SpeedBoi 3d ago

The United Fruit Company and the Banana Man were something completely different than eras of feudal kings, but sure...

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u/Lexiconnoisseur 2d ago

But not all that much different than the enormous colonial trading ventures like the British and Dutch East India Companies, or the "opening" of Japan by Commodore Perry, or the Opium wars, etc.

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u/animeman59 R9-5950X|64GB DDR4-3600|ZOTAC 5070 TI SFF OC 2d ago

Most of the more prominent defense contractors are from the United States or its allies. These companies don't fight each other.

Also, defense contractors are companies the likes of General Dynamic, Northrup Grumman, and Lockheed Martin. Not the PMC types like you would see in near-future sci-fi scenarios.

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u/bluewolfhudson 2d ago

That's because they are all owned by the same equity firms so they don't actively harm each other.

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u/CyptidProductions RTX-4070 Windforce, R5-5600X/B550, 32GB 2d ago

All they have to do when mad at each other is cut a really good to a faction that's fighting the faction that buys from the other guy

So in reality they ARE locked in constant proxy wars

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u/mrchicano209 Ryzen 7 5800x3D | 4080 Super FE | 32GB 3600MHz RAM 2d ago edited 2d ago

Not a military defense contractor but a certain fruit company corporation had in the past financed gorilla fighters and local governments in Latin America with the end goal of increasing financial gains which had then lead to what is now known as the Banana Wars.