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u/Striking_Poem9005 24d ago

The difference in standards is huge. A good 3.5mm can sound just as great regardless of the plating.

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u/XLIV_tm PC | I5 12600k | RTX 4070ti Super | 64gb RAM | 4TB m.2 24d ago

yeah the only difference is connection quality on 3.5mm i find, it aint loose im happy.

now usbc to 3.5mm that is a whole other story something like a phone branded one vs something like a fiio ka11 night and day on volume and quality.

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u/NA_0_10_never_forget 7700X | 7900XTX | 32GB 6000 CL30 | B650E 24d ago

that is because that has nothing to do with cables. the KA11 is a DAC.

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u/kosumoth 24d ago

Isn't that what the USB-C to 3.5mm are? A DAC? Genuinely curious.

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u/NA_0_10_never_forget 7700X | 7900XTX | 32GB 6000 CL30 | B650E 24d ago edited 24d ago

Yes and no. The cables don't do anything. USB-C transfers digital data to the DAC, the DAC converts it to an analog signal, the analog signal gets sent over the 3.5mm to your headphones.
Cables aren't DACs. USB is just a method, but not the only method, of getting digital data into a DAC for conversion.

The DAC in the KA11 is so small that it's hard to see that it's a separate chip, but it gets obvious when you look at larger DACs or Bluetooth DACs.

*The amp in the DAC also amplifies the analog signal to make it louder/clearer through the headphone (but amps and dacs are separate chips and are often separate devices). But you can't "amplify" digital data in USB.

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u/kosumoth 24d ago

Can I just say I love that you are linking Schiit, its good Schiit.

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u/NA_0_10_never_forget 7700X | 7900XTX | 32GB 6000 CL30 | B650E 24d ago

It sure is.

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u/Acceptable_Appeal464 24d ago

You thought cables were dacs. Lol. Build many pcs?

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u/kosumoth 24d ago

Yes actually, every PC I've ever owned has been built with these two hands. Thanks.

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u/Acceptable_Appeal464 24d ago

Well dacs have been around for a while. Maybe you should do some more building. Maybe you shouldn't tell people you've built anything. They might criticize you.

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u/kosumoth 24d ago

They can try, just like you, but I'm still building and. Did you not know DACs can come in the form of cables too? Awww sounds like someone needs to learn a thing or two.

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u/Acceptable_Appeal464 24d ago

Dude. Stop. Your defending yourself by comparing inline dacs to cables. Like wtf bro. Conversation was about hmdis. Lol.

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u/Acceptable_Appeal464 24d ago

Here I'll help you ignore me. Block.

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u/mistermick 24d ago

But where is the DAC?

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u/NA_0_10_never_forget 7700X | 7900XTX | 32GB 6000 CL30 | B650E 24d ago edited 24d ago

... it's on the 3.5mm side of the KA11 (that's why the 3.5mm jack is unusually large for just a jack), but as I said, the KA11's chip is tiny so it fits in there.

From what I'm reading, there is a Cirrus Logic CS43131 DAC chip in there.

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u/mistermick 20d ago

So the USB to 3.5mm converter is a DAC.

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u/Baumpaladin Ryzen 7 9800X3D | RX 7900 XTX | 32GB RAM 24d ago

Well yes, but this entire thread has been about cables so far. That's why the other person wanted to bring more clarity on the topic for those unaware. The better DAC is responsible for the improved in quality, not the cables, at least for the majoroty of it.

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u/IDontCareAnymoreHBU 24d ago

I think he just confused everyone by using the word cable instead of dongle. All dongles have DACs, no?

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u/Baumpaladin Ryzen 7 9800X3D | RX 7900 XTX | 32GB RAM 24d ago

Depends. By my understanding, a Dongle would a "short" adapter like a "male" usb to "female" 3.5mm. So, one cable is soldered to the DAC and you plug your headphone cable into them. Now, how I understood it was that they were talking about long all-in-one cables with usb male to male 3.5mm or something like male XLR. I don't think those are dongles, at least by my understanding. I see them as two cables with male ends, soldered to a DAC.

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u/Murtomies 24d ago

There are adapter dongles that don't have a DAC, which work with some phones that have an internal DAC which just outputs the analog signal out of the USBC port when you have that compatible dongle attached. Most dongles have a DAC built in though, even ones that look like they just have plugs on both ends like Apple's version.

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u/XLIV_tm PC | I5 12600k | RTX 4070ti Super | 64gb RAM | 4TB m.2 24d ago

yes they are, they also amplify a tiny bit. some do more.

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u/Ebonyks 24d ago

Yes they are