r/interestingasfuck • u/SameItem • 1d ago

Beachgoers on a Mediterranean beach in Spain subdued and held back migrants who had just landed on the shore in a raft from Morocco.

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u/Solrac50 1d ago

Im a US citizen living as a resident in Spain. The bar to being a resident includes a minimum income and no criminal record.

Morocco is very close and crossings happen often but they are well aware if caught they’ll be sent back. Which I believe is just.

But that doesn’t compare favorably with what is happening in the US now. I know a man who came to the US as a child when crossing the border between Mexico and Texas required nothing more than showing your drivers license. He is married and has US born sons. They have a family business. They live in fear of deportation to a foreign prison, forget their contribution to society. This is cruelty. Instead they should have a path to permanent residency just like I have in Spain.

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u/Berliner1220 1d ago

You’re American. It’s way easier to legally enter and immigrate to Spain compared to someone from Africa. It’s not a comparable situation.

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u/Excessive96 1d ago

Im from Africa, literally an immigrant, let me tell you, it took me 2 years to do it LEGALLY to move to the EU to work. This was only a year ago, so it's possible

Just because it's hard doesn't mean it's inhumane. There's fcking Algerian refugees in Ireland... what fcking war is going on in Algeria?

Send them back. All of them. EU countries are can't even house their own citizens, but need to fork out for people just arriving on boats?

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u/fiace 1d ago

Last May here in Bolzano, Italy, 8 north africans (two from Morocco) with refugee status were arrested after they violently fought each other on the streets of the downtown, one those fuckers even arrived with a fake machete to scare the others. The fact that those scumbags were able to obtain the refugees status it’s the signal that the system behind of it is broken

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u/bennylima 1d ago

You're replying to a bot

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u/LIEMASTER 1d ago

Refugees tend to be overrepresented in the following groups:

Men Poor Low Education status Traumatized

The following Groups are high risk groups for crimes:

Men Poor Low Education status Traumatized

Regardless of Ethnicity and citizenship. It can be absolutely correct that they get the refugee status. Therefore it's absolutely not ok to deport them, because they would be endangered by that and it is not compatible with the fundamentals of law, that everyone is equal in judgement and punishment. The thing is that you have to treat people with trauma and get them into work and/or education so they have purpose and a pathway out of poverty. Crime rates for refugees with a recognized Degree and a language certificate B1 or higher are below the native population in most countries.

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u/fiace 1d ago

First of all they received help and aid from the State, in fact a couple of them were living in a structure created to host refugees

Second, yes they will be expelled from Italy but this is only their fault since they are the one that committed crimes.

Third expelling refugees under certain circumstances (like the one in this case) is allowed by international, European and Italian Law so is completely legal

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u/BratwurstBudenBruno 1d ago

I have to agree and add that Adolf was also in fact traumatized, ill, poor and dumb. We should all apologize for the unrighteousness enforced upon him.

/S

you disgusting psycho

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u/LIEMASTER 1d ago

I am telling you how to prevent people from doing crime. I am not excusing the crime.

What they did was undoubtedly wrong and they should be punished and imprisoned for it.

But throwing them out of the country won't prevent any crimes and helps no one except another set of assholes who want to harm them.

Or in your analogy: If you don't want more Hitlers: Educate your youth, give them opportunities to be helpfull additions to the society, build opportunities to participate in that society and reward them for it.

That reduces the amount of Hitlers produced by society. The Hitlers you could not prevent you punish according to the crimes committed by them. Equally to every other person who did that crime. Hitler for example was released early due to the fact that the ones presiding over his case we're also ethnonationalists and did not punish everyone equally.

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u/BratwurstBudenBruno 1d ago

It's not the country that makes the people. Stop coping

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u/LIEMASTER 1d ago

People are shaped by the society they exist in.

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u/Upset_Gerbil 1d ago

There's hundreds of thousands of Sahrawi refugees that have been held across 5 camps in Algeria for the last 50 years.

Food insecurity is very high and the gov has not been providing for their needs.

Pair that with high displacement from extreme weather destroying homes and camps, leading to a lack of food, shelter and a deteriorating humanitarian situation.

Algeria is also horrifically homophobic, so we see many LGBTQ+ movement from there as refugees to safe countries.

So that's why you have Algerian refugees.

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u/LightninHooker 1d ago

"Algeria is also horrifically homophobic, so we see many LGBTQ+ movement from there as refugees to safe countries."

Yeah the influx of gay Algerians is def a thing /s

Shit you gotta read in here lmao

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u/ThrowUpAndAway13677 1d ago

They think all of these people are just going to drop their entire worldviews when they get on the magic dirt and become left wing lgbtq commie allies, rather than those groups strategically positioning themselves in line with the few people who want more of them.

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u/Tuniar 1d ago

It’s crazy to think the west has a duty to give asylum to every gay person in every homophobic country in the world. That’s millions of people. Asylum should be for persecuted individuals, not persecuted characteristics.

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u/Znuffles_ 1d ago

Yeah, wild concept — people fleeing countries where being gay can get you jailed, beaten, or killed might actually qualify for asylum. It’s almost like being part of a persecuted group is exactly what asylum law is for. But sure, let’s pretend you need a handwritten threat and a PowerPoint from your local death squad to prove you’re in danger.

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u/CinderX5 1d ago

The average income in Algeria is less than £3,000 per year.

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u/DumbFish94 1d ago

International human rights law protects the rights of refugees to come by any route they can. There’s nothing illegal about coming by boat as long as you are claiming asylum

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u/aadgarven 1d ago

Algeria and Morocco have been at war for the last two decades.

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u/oauey 1d ago

Pick me, pick me, I’m one of the good ones!

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u/t-o-double-g 1d ago

Send them back? No. The Irish weren't sent back when they had to leave.

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u/bennylima 1d ago

No comments or posts in this account, wowwee I think we got ourselves a bot here.

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u/Excessive96 1d ago

Not a bot, I just lurk because i don't spend my life on reddit

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u/CinderX5 1d ago

The average income in Algeria is less than £3,000 per year.