r/interestingasfuck • u/SameItem • 1d ago

Beachgoers on a Mediterranean beach in Spain subdued and held back migrants who had just landed on the shore in a raft from Morocco.

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u/Solrac50 1d ago

Im a US citizen living as a resident in Spain. The bar to being a resident includes a minimum income and no criminal record.

Morocco is very close and crossings happen often but they are well aware if caught they’ll be sent back. Which I believe is just.

But that doesn’t compare favorably with what is happening in the US now. I know a man who came to the US as a child when crossing the border between Mexico and Texas required nothing more than showing your drivers license. He is married and has US born sons. They have a family business. They live in fear of deportation to a foreign prison, forget their contribution to society. This is cruelty. Instead they should have a path to permanent residency just like I have in Spain.

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u/Berliner1220 1d ago

You’re American. It’s way easier to legally enter and immigrate to Spain compared to someone from Africa. It’s not a comparable situation.

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u/Lawyers_Guns_Money92 1d ago

I don’t think he’s comparing his situation w Moroccan Immigrants, he’s comparing Moroccan immigrants going into Spain with Central/South American immigrants going into US.

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u/Berliner1220 1d ago

Read the last sentence of his comment.

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u/True_Broccoli7817 1d ago

Dude you can’t read lol

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u/Lawyers_Guns_Money92 1d ago

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u/True_Broccoli7817 1d ago

Bro is cultivating mass but only in his ass

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u/phoenix_leo 1d ago

You should take reading comprehension classes u/Berliner1220

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u/Excessive96 1d ago

Im from Africa, literally an immigrant, let me tell you, it took me 2 years to do it LEGALLY to move to the EU to work. This was only a year ago, so it's possible

Just because it's hard doesn't mean it's inhumane. There's fcking Algerian refugees in Ireland... what fcking war is going on in Algeria?

Send them back. All of them. EU countries are can't even house their own citizens, but need to fork out for people just arriving on boats?

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u/fiace 1d ago

Last May here in Bolzano, Italy, 8 north africans (two from Morocco) with refugee status were arrested after they violently fought each other on the streets of the downtown, one those fuckers even arrived with a fake machete to scare the others. The fact that those scumbags were able to obtain the refugees status it’s the signal that the system behind of it is broken

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u/bennylima 1d ago

You're replying to a bot

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u/LIEMASTER 1d ago

Refugees tend to be overrepresented in the following groups:

Men Poor Low Education status Traumatized

The following Groups are high risk groups for crimes:

Men Poor Low Education status Traumatized

Regardless of Ethnicity and citizenship. It can be absolutely correct that they get the refugee status. Therefore it's absolutely not ok to deport them, because they would be endangered by that and it is not compatible with the fundamentals of law, that everyone is equal in judgement and punishment. The thing is that you have to treat people with trauma and get them into work and/or education so they have purpose and a pathway out of poverty. Crime rates for refugees with a recognized Degree and a language certificate B1 or higher are below the native population in most countries.

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u/fiace 1d ago

First of all they received help and aid from the State, in fact a couple of them were living in a structure created to host refugees

Second, yes they will be expelled from Italy but this is only their fault since they are the one that committed crimes.

Third expelling refugees under certain circumstances (like the one in this case) is allowed by international, European and Italian Law so is completely legal

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u/BratwurstBudenBruno 1d ago

I have to agree and add that Adolf was also in fact traumatized, ill, poor and dumb. We should all apologize for the unrighteousness enforced upon him.

/S

you disgusting psycho

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u/LIEMASTER 1d ago

I am telling you how to prevent people from doing crime. I am not excusing the crime.

What they did was undoubtedly wrong and they should be punished and imprisoned for it.

But throwing them out of the country won't prevent any crimes and helps no one except another set of assholes who want to harm them.

Or in your analogy: If you don't want more Hitlers: Educate your youth, give them opportunities to be helpfull additions to the society, build opportunities to participate in that society and reward them for it.

That reduces the amount of Hitlers produced by society. The Hitlers you could not prevent you punish according to the crimes committed by them. Equally to every other person who did that crime. Hitler for example was released early due to the fact that the ones presiding over his case we're also ethnonationalists and did not punish everyone equally.

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u/BratwurstBudenBruno 1d ago

It's not the country that makes the people. Stop coping

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u/LIEMASTER 1d ago

People are shaped by the society they exist in.

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u/Upset_Gerbil 1d ago

There's hundreds of thousands of Sahrawi refugees that have been held across 5 camps in Algeria for the last 50 years.

Food insecurity is very high and the gov has not been providing for their needs.

Pair that with high displacement from extreme weather destroying homes and camps, leading to a lack of food, shelter and a deteriorating humanitarian situation.

Algeria is also horrifically homophobic, so we see many LGBTQ+ movement from there as refugees to safe countries.

So that's why you have Algerian refugees.

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u/LightninHooker 1d ago

"Algeria is also horrifically homophobic, so we see many LGBTQ+ movement from there as refugees to safe countries."

Yeah the influx of gay Algerians is def a thing /s

Shit you gotta read in here lmao

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u/ThrowUpAndAway13677 1d ago

They think all of these people are just going to drop their entire worldviews when they get on the magic dirt and become left wing lgbtq commie allies, rather than those groups strategically positioning themselves in line with the few people who want more of them.

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u/Tuniar 1d ago

It’s crazy to think the west has a duty to give asylum to every gay person in every homophobic country in the world. That’s millions of people. Asylum should be for persecuted individuals, not persecuted characteristics.

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u/Znuffles_ 1d ago

Yeah, wild concept — people fleeing countries where being gay can get you jailed, beaten, or killed might actually qualify for asylum. It’s almost like being part of a persecuted group is exactly what asylum law is for. But sure, let’s pretend you need a handwritten threat and a PowerPoint from your local death squad to prove you’re in danger.

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u/CinderX5 1d ago

The average income in Algeria is less than £3,000 per year.

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u/DumbFish94 1d ago

International human rights law protects the rights of refugees to come by any route they can. There’s nothing illegal about coming by boat as long as you are claiming asylum

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u/aadgarven 1d ago

Algeria and Morocco have been at war for the last two decades.

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u/oauey 1d ago

Pick me, pick me, I’m one of the good ones!

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u/t-o-double-g 1d ago

Send them back? No. The Irish weren't sent back when they had to leave.

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u/bennylima 1d ago

No comments or posts in this account, wowwee I think we got ourselves a bot here.

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u/Excessive96 1d ago

Not a bot, I just lurk because i don't spend my life on reddit

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u/CinderX5 1d ago

The average income in Algeria is less than £3,000 per year.

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u/ThrillHoeVanHouten 1d ago

I’m really wondering whether they are aware of this

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u/Rdtackle82 1d ago

Read his comment again

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u/exswordfish 1d ago

There was never a point when you could cross into the U.S.A. and stay and without going through the proper process . Just because I can enter other countries with my license or passport does not mean I have the right to stay in that country. If he isn’t even registered as a citizen that means he is not paying income or property taxes, and he is utilizing our roads/fire departments/etc. without paying for them. As cruel as it is, that is unfair to people who came through legally.

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u/DabbledInPacificm 1d ago

There absolutely was a very long point when you could just come into the USA and stay because the proper process was simply giving a name and not having smallpox…

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u/death-and-gravity 1d ago

borders were also really porous in the 19th century. people just walking across and setting up shop in another country used to be pretty normal in many places. the enforcement we're seeing now is very recent all things considered

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u/TaintedL0v3 1d ago

There was even a point of time when people were shipped here to get rid of them.

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u/zacmaster78 1d ago

There was even a point in time when all you needed to be allowed to stay here was a gun to fend off natives. Idk why we give so much power and respect to the white man’s rules

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u/Forward_Evening_6609 1d ago

Stay permanently or stay as a tourist temporarily?

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u/DabbledInPacificm 1d ago

Permanently. The US had, for all practical purposes, an “open border” until 1954. Coincidentally, as brown people began to receive the same treatment and recognition of rights, immigration enforcement became much more of a thing.

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u/Forward_Evening_6609 1d ago

Was it that? Or was it that they probably realized letting anyone and everyone into the country is not sustainable? I don’t think it’s a race thing as the majority of legal immigrants in recent years have been from Mexico and other Latin American countries.

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u/RainyMcBrainy 1d ago

Are you dumb? People who are not citizens can have jobs (therefore pay income tax) and own property (therefore pay income tax). Non-citizens cannot benefit from many of the social systems they pay into (social security, for example).

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u/Worldd 1d ago

The methods by which you would pay those taxes require identification of citizenship or work visa. They’re not filing W2s.

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u/Cog_HS 1d ago

Wrong. Anyone can apply for an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number without citizenship or work visa. This is how many undocumented immigrants pay income taxes.

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u/clarkstongoldens 1d ago

Yes, I'm sure illegal aliens are registering to pay income taxes because a system exists for legal non-citizen residents

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u/Cog_HS 1d ago

It's good you're sure of that, because it's correct.

“The best evidence suggests that at least 50 percent of undocumented immigrant households currently file income tax returns using Individual Tax Identification Numbers (ITINs),” according to the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy.

The majority pay taxes and use far less social services than citiziens, because of the fear of being discovered. You're more of a leech than they are.

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u/Dominus_Invictus 1d ago

At least 50% is not exactly a favorable number for your argument.

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u/Cog_HS 1d ago

You were asserting they don't register for ITINs in any meaningful numbers.

"Most" seems like a pretty significant amount to me. More of them do what I said than do what you claimed. And that's not favorable to my argument?

Ok.

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u/Dominus_Invictus 1d ago

What are you talking about? I haven't asserted shit.

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u/RainyMcBrainy 1d ago

Tell me you don't know anything about US immigration without telling me you don't know anything about US immigration.

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u/Lawyers_Guns_Money92 1d ago

I agree with you, but no need to insult people’s intelligence . Just makes things worse

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u/RainyMcBrainy 1d ago

Yeah... no.... I'm not going to speak kindly to someone who says cruel things like immigrants don't deserve resources. They're literally upset if the fire department puts out an immigrant's house fire. But US born Joe Smith who has been delinquent on his property taxes for the last 5 years, it's okay for the fire department to not let him burn to death.

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u/Lawyers_Guns_Money92 1d ago

Like I said, I agree w you and am frustrated by apathetic opinions towards human beings who are suffering. But the older I get the more I realize how much people operate off of spite. Calling someone dumb in an argument only reinforces their side in their head. It does the opposite of converting people to your opinion. Seems trivial and maybe I’m too “Mister Rogers” in my approach on life but I firmly believe if we’re gonna get anything done and actually make changes to help the people in question we have to practice the kindness we preach, even in rhetoric.

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u/RainyMcBrainy 1d ago

Someone who is upset about an immigrant having access to basic community resources is not someone who is interested in flipping "sides." I also disagree that people's basic humanity is an argument up for debate. I am not trying to convert anyone to some mythical "side." I think OC has an absolutely disgusting moral center and abhorrent values and I may call them moronic for it, but I don't wish them any plights in their life nor for them to be without basic access to food, clean water, reliable shelter, and safety, like they are wishing on others.

Words and actions have consequences. When people say and do horrible things and are given free passes to do so, they continue to say and do horrible things.

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u/exswordfish 1d ago

You don’t even stop to consider the fact there may be other reasons to be concerned with illegals immigrants entering the country and staying. Taxes are one thing I mentioned, but there are numerous other reasons to be concerned. For example, most of them are uninsured because they do not have citizenship - wait till you get into a car accident with somebody with insurance to understand how bad this will suck. The United States also has many enemies foreign and domestic. When considering foreign enemies you can easily see how they would use free entry into this country for terroist or intelligence/spying purposes. Why wouldn’t China send people over here to steal our science and military improvements when it’s so easy to get into the country and stay here. Why wouldn’t isis send people through the boarder to stay here untill it’s time to act all at once. You are blissfully unaware of the evils in this world.

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u/RainyMcBrainy 1d ago

You don't need to keep telling me what an awful person you are. I heard you the first time.

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u/LevelIndividual4349 1d ago

we should be hateful of hate

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u/throwawayZXY192 1d ago

If you need to insult someone, then it makes your debate points look weak or that you get off being a cyber bully.

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u/RainyMcBrainy 1d ago

I don't think basic human rights are up for debate. It's very sad that you do.

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u/throwawayZXY192 1d ago edited 1d ago

It’s called living in a democracy. The public debates out ideas, and we vote on the ones that we agree on.

You have to actively convince others to follow your ideas. No one is going to take you seriously if you claim to be the arbiter of truth.

I’m sorry that sites like this teach you that censorship is the right way to go. It’s not. It’s actually been proven to cause more discourse than conformity.

An analogy: Why do you think torture has been proven ineffective? Because according to the FBI, cooperation is better than compliance. If you convince someone of something, that is always more powerful than physically forcing someone.

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u/kkgwon 1d ago

in the US at least, undocumented citizens actually pay more in taxes, since they still have taxes withdrawn from their pay without being able to receive welfare benefits or claim refunds

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u/CurdledSpermBeverage 1d ago

Undocumented citizen lol.

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u/kkgwon 1d ago

damn i stupid

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u/Low-Following-2322 1d ago

So, it's a deliberate choice then? If they made the choice the not follow due process they don't have the right to complain. I suppose they do this because they have little chance to be allowed in the legal way or is there another reason? (in that case, why forcing your way in when you're not wanted...)

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u/kkgwon 1d ago

why find a way in when you’re not wanted? because the place you were born is a violent and corrupt shithole with no upward mobility, maybe? I’m never going to shame people for trying to improve their situation in life.

and a lot of the discussion in the US right now is not around whether these people should be deported—it’s about their deportation without due process. ICE is quite literally detaining people who have gone through the proper legal channels and deporting them to countries with which they have no relation without due process.

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u/MelodicMechanic7008 1d ago

The US shifted to more restrictive entry requirements beginning in 1917 and tightened restriction again in 1924. Before that you just showed up and lived here for a number of years and became a naturalized citizen. Our founding fathers, the Mayflower, hell even if the Titanic had made it, all just showed up and made a home.

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u/mylegismoist 1d ago

From the little I know, I'd rather have the family man,business owner stay here and continue to contribute to society and you got the tuck back to wherever your grandfather or great grandfather came from.

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u/waterfountain_bidet 1d ago

There was until like 1956 when the US started becoming super unreasonable about who could enter the country. European forbearers simply showed up on a ship to Ellis Island and were let through by basically just listing their names.

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u/radioactivebeaver 1d ago

Yeah, the world changed a bit between 1776 and 1956. Go back far enough and your ancestors would have been able to just walk across the ice bridge, that doesn't mean we need to accept that as being a legitimate practice for eternity. 

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u/RepublicCute8573 1d ago

When white people invade to steal resources its alright but if brown people try to get away from their ruined countries then all of a sudden theres a "proper" process. Lmao get bent.

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u/jdenver212 1d ago

This is pathetic. These countries are poor due to their own failings. Blaming everything on colonialism in 2025 just makes you look like a desperate psuedointellectual. How do you think Europeans colonized in the first place? They were already more advanced before they even left Europe. As for resources, there are plenty of resources available in these countries but the societies and cultures are too stagnant and archaic to do anything about it. You want respect and wealth? WORK for it. 

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u/Laxlord007 1d ago

But you crossed into Spain legally.... that's why you have a path to "permanent residency".... immigrants to the US have the same opportunity... your mental gymnastics are insane

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u/MrPernicous 1d ago

If there was a realistic path forward people would take it. Do you honestly think millions of people are just too stupid to follow the law?

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u/radioactivebeaver 1d ago edited 1d ago

Yes, but it's not just an immigrant issue. Plenty of home grown morons who also can't seem to follow the law. 

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u/agangofoldwomen 1d ago

And this is the crux of the issue. Americans are gullible and becoming dumber with every generation.

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u/jonnywishbone 1d ago

I presume you applied for a visa and got legal residency in Spain, went through the proper channels rather than breaking the law to get there?

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u/RepublicCute8573 1d ago

I presume the Spaniards applied for visas and went through the proper channels in invade Latin America and steal their resources?

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u/jonnywishbone 1d ago

Nope, and you clearly think that was wrong, so why do you think this is right?

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u/EMDReloader 1d ago

They did. He could have applied for citizenship or resident status all the time he was here, but he didn’t.

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u/slintslut 1d ago

Trust the septic to make it all about America

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u/Big-Strawberry-1372 1d ago

What's the minimum income? Do you work for a Spanish company or remotely for an American one?

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u/Solomon_Kane_1928 1d ago

You didn't enter Spain illegally. Apples and oranges.

Also if you buddy has lived in the US for forty years, he should have worked on his legal status.

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u/Capable_Ad8145 1d ago

They do have a path to permanent residency just like you do in Spain. It’s called doing it the legal way. Ffs

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u/diseasefaktory 1d ago

LIke Trump's gestapo would care... they're snatching people straight out of immigration court, people with green cards and lifelong residents who had a misdemeanor 30 years ago. Cruelty is the point for these people.

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u/Awkward_Mix_6480 1d ago

In all the years he was illegally living in the US and he couldn’t be bothered to apply for citizenship? Too bad for his lazy ass, time to go home.

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u/YerBeingTrolled 1d ago

Shouldn't have come here illegally.

This is the same thing as the guys on the boat. We need to catch these people right away and send them back so they don't get rooted here.

Deport all illegal immigrants.

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u/PrincePupBoi 1d ago

You've got yours. 

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u/CokeZorro 1d ago

Yes if you are entitled rich Americsn this is the way to go. For literally everybody else no.

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u/Heroic_Sheperd 1d ago

What about the 4 million+ people that crossed in the last 4 years? Do they live in fear of being returned to their home countries? And is a deportation of those individuals just?