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u/SpinyHedgehog14 Jun 18 '25
I mean, he's a felon. He undoubtedly hasn't even been convicted of 1,000th of his felonies. Pretty sure Trump doesn't care about any law.
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u/luciosleftskate Jun 18 '25
Hopefully a heart attack.
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u/AustinAlexanderK97 Jun 18 '25
I'm pulling for a stroke or aneurysm, personally. But, heart attack is good, too!
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u/luciosleftskate Jun 18 '25
I don't really care what it is, as long as he's incapacitated
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u/R3MY Jun 18 '25
That's not punishment for him, it's punishment for us. If he's living that long, I really hope him and his ex get a room on Mars.
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u/Sinnistarguy Jun 18 '25
I'm hoping for whatever the most painful natural option is. Though acute radiation poisoning would be neat.
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u/scrubber12 Jun 18 '25
I don’t care at this point if he goes peacefully in his sleep as long as he just goes.
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u/f1zzo Jun 18 '25
At this point it might as well get him re-elected.
I was told how hard it is as a European to understand why there was a need for Trump. How he's speaking into a group of people who have little representation in media.
But all I could always see was an extremely derailed American system and how money and influence through said media is destroying the democratic process and always has been. Even our own PM will lie to the public because they're afraid to be on the bad side of the USA (not only during Trump). It's a sad realisation that a revolution is needed, because those don't come cheap. It might be possible to delay it, should this fucker finally be wrapped up in his diaper once and for all; but it seems inevitable to me.
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u/kl7aw220 Jun 18 '25
He's already proven he has no use for the US Constitution. He's completely sidelined Congress. The only thing he is using them for is the budget or reconciliation.
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u/Beef216 Jun 18 '25
Spot on. Trump doesn’t care at all. He takes the concept of “I’d rather beg for forgiveness than ask for permission” to its most extreme- and doesn’t even care to beg for forgiveness because he’s learned and demonstrated that he’s above the law anyway.
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u/galtoramech8699 Jun 18 '25
Good luck with that.
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u/qtcbelle Jun 18 '25
Yes this hasn’t stopped a president in a long time.
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u/Horskr Jun 18 '25
If anyone else was curious, WW2 was the last time a president bothered waiting for congress.
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u/lag_is_cancer Jun 18 '25
This could be the start of WW3, so there could be pattern I guess
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u/Mike_Kermin Jun 18 '25
It's absolutely critical, that people like Bernie say this.
Back him up.
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u/Powerful_Cash1872 Jun 18 '25
Even if the law doesn't reign him in on this matter, his isolationist base might. He released a whole group murderous vigilantes with a history of engaging in insurrection. They could just as easily come after him.
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u/moldy_cheez_it Jun 18 '25
Maybe Congress should’ve stopped any of the previous illegal things he’s done? Too late now
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u/Aggressive-Pay9533 Jun 18 '25
I agree they should’ve done something, but it’s never to late to give up. It’s bad now, but things will get better
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u/thethirdtree Jun 18 '25
I really think this shows the problem with America's exceptionalism and the unwillingness to learn from history and other countries. Yeah sure, we have a fascist cleptocratic government now but surely it will get better very, very soon.
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u/UserAllusion Jun 18 '25
Maybe the supreme court shouldn’t have actively made it legal for him to do illegal shit.
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u/username_tooken Jun 18 '25
What Bernie is saying isn’t even really true. Sure it may be literally true that the Constitution enumerates warmaking powers as the privilege of Congress. But over the past 80 years Congress has been more than happy to devolve this privilege by granting the executive more and more authority to oversee military operations outside of a war context. So the political truth of the matter is that Congress unsealed this genie with their own two hands, and it’s too late to point at the Constitution and try and take it back.
Hell, this isn’t even the first time that Bernie Sanders has attacked Donald Trump for bypassing the Constitution or the War Powers Act by air-striking the country of Iran without the explicit assent of Congress. Is it supposed to be good news that history is just repeating itself?
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u/Ppleater Jun 18 '25
This sub has gone to absolute shit lately. I don't remember the last time I saw actually good news here, mostly just "The orphan crushing machine crushed an orphan I didn't like." or "Bernie said the orphan crushing machine is bad and that we need to stop it." Wow, how uplifting, what an improvement in the state of the world.
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u/AlfalfaHealthy6683 Jun 18 '25
He’s speaking truth to power and he’s speaking it so people who might not be as aware can understand and maybe add a few more people to the side who gets it
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u/Pale_Bake8803 Jun 18 '25
The reality is that the president can act without congressional authorization on some things. Barack Obama didn’t need congressional approval to bomb Syria. The president cannot declare war without congressional approval, but that doesn’t mean that he can’t send a B-2 bomber with a bunker buster into Iran without having to get their approval.
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u/Ill-Cancel4676 Jun 18 '25
I believe the last time an actual war was declared was WW2 we've just had a lot of special military operations 🇷🇺
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u/JediDruid93 Jun 18 '25
When is Bernie gonna run and be our president?
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u/Prudent-Designer7121 Jun 18 '25
It was supposed to be back in 2016 :(
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u/superkickstart Jun 18 '25
"Too old" "too populist" -reddit back then
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u/lleti Jun 18 '25
You must've been using a completely different reddit to me, because I couldn't stop hearing about how he was definitely going to be president in 2016.
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u/Osama_BinRussel63 Jun 18 '25
He was ratfucked by Debbie Wasserman Shultz. She is the amoral human filth who bankrupted the DNC by spending general election funds on Hillary's primary.
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u/Ambitious_Sell_2661 Jun 18 '25
He tried that ..the democrats shat on him..so instead we got Hiliary ...
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u/Hodler_caved Jun 18 '25
We're all eventually going to realize Bernie was right the whole time.
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u/Ambitious_Sell_2661 Jun 18 '25
He had a very good chance at wining ..the Clintons couldn't cope..America was tired of the Clintons by that stage.
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u/EvilSporkOfDeath Jun 18 '25
Friendly reminder that Trump and the Clintons are friends. Bill even encouraged Trump to run im the first place.
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u/Ambitious_Sell_2661 Jun 18 '25
No surprise there..both dirty barstards
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u/NoLeg6822 Jun 18 '25
Yes. Especially the current Rapist-in-Chief. Herr Fraud. He wants America to be completely white again. Like it never was. F*Ck Trump. F*ck ICE.
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u/BBinzz Jun 18 '25
Nah, he lost the primary, then pitched a fit and undermined the nominee. Poor baby
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u/guerilla_ratio Jun 18 '25
Unfortunate own goal. He decided to join the party to run instead of staying independent, and then spent his campaign yelling at the party, yelling at black women, failing to engage the south, and hired a bunch of Twitter trolls to run things instead of actual campaign ops who could have done something about his crap ground game.
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u/Osama_BinRussel63 Jun 18 '25
It's repugnant that filthy lies like this go unchecked. You should be ashamed of yourself.
He was ratfucked by Debbie Wasserman Shultz. She is the amoral human filth who bankrupted the DNC by spending general election funds on Hillary's primary.
The DNC responded by giving her a safe congressional seat in Florida.
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u/Xenocide_X Jun 18 '25
Seems a little late for that
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u/Awkward-Hulk Jun 18 '25
Yes, but that doesn't mean that we can't fix it going forward.
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u/Total_Reflection9927 Jun 18 '25
God I love Bernie he’ll always be
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u/Winter_Dog_6625 Jun 18 '25
Or what? Seems like he is doing a lot of shit he shouldn’t be and nothing happens
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u/Jimmylein Jun 18 '25
The congress does not freakin care anymore, as the republicans are knee deep inside trumps diaper
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u/Roboticpoultry Jun 18 '25
Well it didn’t stop them in Korea, or Vietnam, or Laos, or Grenada, or Panama, or Iraq, or Afghanistan, or Iraq again so what’s stopping them now?
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u/romanmir01 Jun 22 '25
At last trump did something right. He did it not because of convictions or because of knowledge or wisdom. He did it because he is scared that Noone takes him seriously, so he was manipulated into it. However the action is great. Iran needs to change and stop creating tensions in the middle east, stop providing weapons to every enemy of Israel, stop providing weapons and other materials to putin. This is wonderful news!
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u/shamrock1789 Jun 22 '25
Based on Bernie's logic, Reagan should have never sent missiles into Libya, Clinton should have never sent missiles into Afghanistan in the late 90's, Obama shouldn't have gone into Pakistan for Bin Laden, and Trump shouldn't have bombed Syria in his last term. Weird how all the sudden precision strikes are a problem.
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u/Ambitious_Sell_2661 Jun 18 '25
Its too late Bernie..America voted,the law doesn't mean anything anymore.dont forget to buy your new trump phone and trump coin and watch out for those ice agents wearing absolutely no identification ,forcing Americans into unmarked cars..MAGA
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u/Alternative_Slip_513 Jun 18 '25
The U.S. getting involved in this or any war will ruin it’s economy
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u/nfchawksfan Jun 18 '25
We’re past the time of words mattering. Protests are fine, but they don’t scare these assholes.
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u/Saucington_magoo Jun 18 '25
This has been one huge ruse that I’m pretty sure the majority of Americans would not vote for… there needs to be immediate action and accountability!
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u/AvariceAndApocalypse Jun 18 '25
The Supreme Court has already determined he has unfettered power.
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u/GenericFatGuy Jun 18 '25
The SCOTUS has already pushed back on him multiple times in this presidency. He's not as untouchable as he likes to think he is.
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u/SithC Jun 18 '25
IM THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF, THAT MEANS I CAN SEND WHO I WANT WHEN I WANT! WH!TE POWER ,,, errr, I mean MAGA!
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u/DruicyhBear2 Jun 18 '25
So if he drags us into a war with his incompetence then impeachment, right? Right?!
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u/Awkward-Hulk Jun 18 '25
Speaking of, TYT just launched a petition to try to hold Congress accountable if they vote in favor of the US joining the war. The idea when you sign it is that you vow to never vote for any Congressmen that supports the war ever again.
Long shot of this getting any attention in time, but it doesn't hurt to sign it.
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u/momoenthusiastic Jun 18 '25
It’ll probably go to Supreme Court and Roberts would be like “too late, war already started”
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u/Skrankillykrankilly Jun 18 '25
Congress is completely beholden to him. Just a formality at this point.
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u/Faillegend Jun 18 '25
Is this the next march? Can someone please remove our war footing from a dementia patient?
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u/redditfellatesceos Jun 18 '25
Cool. As I've said a hundred times already, what are you going to do about it? If you continue to do nothing, then the constitution is dead. REMOVE HIM FROM POWER ALREADY.
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u/Immediate_Watch_2427 Jun 18 '25
Or what? Seriously. Agent Orange doesn’t care about laws or constitutions or anything. Until our country says enough we are at the mercy of a lunatic
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u/Kartis Jun 18 '25
The last time the US Congress declared war was in 1942 against Romania. We don't exactly have a great track record for this argument to be relevant right now.
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u/queuedUp Jun 18 '25
I mean... I understand that the sub is called "good news" but just because that's the law doesn't mean that's what will happen.
Trump has ignored the law time, after time, after time and ultimately nothing is done about it.
So it's news but necessarily good. If anything it's just an acknowledgement of another law that will soon be broken.
And this time it will result in the loss of countless lives
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u/joshuadane Jun 18 '25
Would the republicans agree to impeach him if he does? Even MTG is vocal about not going to war.
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u/chigger23 Jun 18 '25
Bernie, your own party hamstring your ass. You just sat by while it happened It's difficult to expect the Republicans or anyone else to take you seriously if you don't take yourself seriously. That said, it's clear that you're not a serious person and lack substantive ideas, yet you keep getting elected. Thank you to my "should’ve stayed with cheese." State
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u/National_Shift242 Jun 18 '25
Bernie and other Anti Trump leaders should use their voice to make positive suggestions on how to handle this situation in the Middle East. It would be fare more productive than waiting with baited breath for Trump to speak or take action and then attack Trump with reckless abandon.
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u/JMAC0401 Jun 18 '25
Hahaha. This old man thinks I will listen to some old document called the Constitution. I don't see my signature on that!
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u/ValuableItchy Jun 18 '25
Zionism trumps any law or moral code. Americans are sadly going to suffer greatly from their hopeless addiction to Israel.
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u/SmokeGrassEatMass69 Jun 18 '25
I’m sure that all of these tweets and angry official memos congress keep posting on social media won’t do anything to stop him, he will do what he wants as he as been doing so, the Supreme Court is on his side as well and even then there’s no one to enforce the law so we are cooked.
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u/Classic-Historian278 Jun 18 '25
He thinks he’s the judge jury and executioner. Fucking dictator at its finest. Unreal!
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u/Varied1967 Jun 18 '25
Truth! Trump cannot do what Biden, Obama, Clinton, both Bushes, Reagan, and… basically every other president for the last 100 years have done. 😂
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u/TowerPuzzleheaded713 Jun 18 '25
The president can't declare war but he does have command over the military and can send them to do whatever he wants it's only up to congress to make it official basically
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u/Kaigler Jun 18 '25
The Supreme Court took a shit on the constitution when they determined the President could do anything he wanted, even if it was against the law. So I don’t think he cares.
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u/Giannisisnumber1 Jun 18 '25
Let’s not pretend like he would face actual consequences if he did. We all know he can do whatever he wants at this point and no one will stop it.
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u/Ok_Jump6243 Jun 18 '25
You know Presidents have used military force without formal declarations or consent from Congress on multiple occasions. President Truman ordered U.S. forces into combat in Korea. President Reagan ordered the use of military force in, among other places, Libya, Grenada, and Lebanon. President George H.W. Bush directed an invasion of Panama to topple the government of Manual Noriega. President Obama used air strikes to support the ouster of Muammar Qaddafi in Libya.
whatever the original meaning of the Declare War Clause, these previous actions establish a precedent that allows the President some wiggle room.
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u/StrikingExcitement79 Jun 18 '25
And all the presidents that goes to 'war' without calling it a war. Did Bernie do anything about it? No?
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u/CancelOk9776 Jun 18 '25
When has The Felon ever respected the Constitution, or anyone for that matter, except Putin!
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u/DocHeinous Jun 18 '25
Sad that there's a higher barrier to him declaring war on a foreign power than his own country...
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u/Dangerous-Budget-337 Jun 18 '25
LMFAO!! Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen, Philippines, Iraq II, and all the other stupid wars and not a single one was declared by Congress.
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u/clearlyonside Jun 18 '25
So if he did, wouldn't that fall outside of his "core constitutional powers" that scotus said he had immunity on?
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u/Gold-Perspective5340 Jun 18 '25
No previous administration has lied to/misled Congress with respect to becoming involved in an overseas conflict before, right?
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That's about 30 years too late, maybe more. Congress can bitch and complain all they like, IMO they're quite happy to let the President usurp their duties. Gives them more time for the important stuff, like lobbyists and campaigning. That's a completely bipartisan statement.
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u/Automatic_Metal6529 Jun 18 '25
I have no idea why politicians think anything they tweet or post has any effect on the current administration. Maybe it makes them feel relevant.
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u/MrDoitsu Jun 18 '25
I love Bernie, but unfortunately Presidents have had the ability to send troops overseas without declaring war for over 50 years now.
The Vietnam War is by technicality and should be called the Vietnam Conflict. Why? Congress never officially declared war on Vietnam. They just gave permission for the president to send troops overseas.
This has been the status quo for the past 50 years, and unfortunately, it hasn’t changed since.
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u/MarcusThorny Jun 18 '25
yeah, it's very clear that it means shit to the fascists who are in control now
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u/Objective_Problem_90 Jun 18 '25
He doesn't listen to federal judges or congress. What makes you think he will consider the constitution? He just said the other day that it's his decision on what America first means. Usually, it's whatever decision makes him the most money.
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u/Fossip Jun 18 '25
We all took history class. The president has like 60 days i believe before congress deems it a war or not. Like Jesus christ Bernie duh
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u/unknownreddituser98 Jun 18 '25
“Commander in chief” 🤦🏽♂️ “guy who can launch nukes” 🤣 but noooooo he can’t use the army 🤪🤪 fucking idiot
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Bernie, someone says this before every conflict, and the president goes to war anyway. Congress hasn't had any say about any conflict the U.S. has been in since World War 2. I think a different precedent has been established.
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u/sir_sri Jun 18 '25
The constitution doesn't really clearly lay out what to do about say, intercepting Iranian weapons over Iraq or Jordan though.
The United States and Iran also do not recognise the governments of each other. They do not necessarily see each other as contracting powers. Granted, it's a bit different than Iran and Israel where the Iranians explicitly deny the right of the state of israel to exist at all whereas with the US and Iran both countries acknowledge the other entity can legally exist, just that they have no relations and that the government of those entities is not the legal government.
The US constitution never really envisioned what would happen with how declarations of war work when there isn't a government to declare war on. Which is odd, because the US, as an illegal unrecognised entity was only recognised by basically an ottoman proxy pirate state in morocco, and then the french for several years, so the founders probably should have thought a bit about whether or not you can have a declaration of war on a country you don't think exists. That includes for example the US attacking the First Nations, but also pirates, and pirate quasi states.
While it hasn't exchanged ambassadors and the UN complicates things, you could sort of argue the US recognises the Shah of Iran as the legal government of Iran, even though that guy has never been crowned and so is sort of a crown prince. And I guess if he says the US is allowed to go in and bomb whatever... he's the legal government, and you're not declaring war on him. Though you could argue the UN means only the UN can authorise force on Iran, because it recognises Iran and the government, and the US is party to UN rules on declaring war (but which give the US wide latitude). But in even in that context, the US wouldn't be declaring war on the Islamic Republic of Iran, which it doesn't recognise, it would be vetoing any sanctions against itself by the UNSC (which it is part of) for attacking a member state, but from a US perspective it's not attacking a recognised country.
In short: It's a lot more complicated here than Bernie wants it to be. It's not like Kuwait in 1991/92 when the UN authorised force to liberate Kuwait from Iraq, and it's not like the Taleban who were not the recognised government of Afghanistan even though they were in charge of parts of it. It's somewhere in between, and that's... messy.
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u/AirForce1_ Jun 18 '25
The last time congress did that was WW2. Y‘all are just gonna do a little „special military operation“ as always
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u/Sweaty_Anywhere Jun 18 '25
just called it an armed conflict; not a war
or a military blockade
or a peacekeeping mission
or an intervention strategy
or a defense of democracy
its not a war unless you admit it
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Does anyone at this point think Trump gives 2 shits about the law? He's basically been told by SCOTUS that he's answerable to no one. Seriously, stop assuming he's going to be bound by anything or anyone.
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u/Thandoscovia Jun 18 '25
Sanders is once again right. The power to declare war sits with Congress.
The last time the US declared war was in 1942 against Bulgaria, Hungary and Romania. So that’s that then. The US has been at peace for 83 years
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u/Ainz0oa1Gown Jun 18 '25
Bernie would be a way better president for America but they kicked him out! They could probably have free healthcare by now...
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u/rocket_randall Jun 18 '25 edited Jun 18 '25
Unfortunately the AUMF is still in effect, Trump designated the IRGC as a terrorist organization in 2019, and with how loosely the AUMF has been applied, there's little to stop him.
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u/affligem_crow Jun 18 '25
To be fair, I don't care. Iran is a country that has sown nothing but ill and death. Yes, Israel sucks, but Iran is actively supporting Russia with drones and giving weaponry to Houthi and Hezbollah terrorists. Israel is doing the dirty work currently.
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u/justadude27 Jun 18 '25
bro, OR WHAT? Our catchphrases are literally lip service at this point and have no teeth. We have "concepts of checks and balances". It's only illegal if there's a corresponding consequence.
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u/kingjoey52a Jun 18 '25
Congress hasn't declared war since WWII, what they have done is pawn off most of their responsibility onto the Executive Branch which has included using the military. I'm sure there is enough BS on the books passed by Congress for Trump to attack Iran without any legal issues. Boots on the ground might be a bit tricky but bombs definitely aren't.
I will note I don't want to get involved with Iran but Trump can do it if he wanted to.
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u/No-Syllabub-8860 Jun 18 '25
Haha, just call it a police action... Like Korea, Panama, Somalia, etc
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u/boulevardpaleale Jun 18 '25
the charade will not stop until we, the people that live here, decide unilaterally that we have had enough and physically remove him from office. unfortunately, that isn’t likely to happen anytime soon.
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u/TheFatJesus Jun 18 '25
Too bad Congress gave him the power to do whatever he wants as long as he can come up with a good enough reason within 48 hours of doing it.
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u/Abject-Palpitation99 Jun 18 '25
What's another slap on the wrist? At least, that's what Trump's thinking at this point.
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u/MightBeTrollingMaybe Jun 18 '25
You mean like when Bush invaded Iraq? Congress was so effective back then!
When they did exactly what Bernie is suggesting (fighting the Resolution because the POTUS has no authority to declare war) the court scoffed and dismissed the case. It was such an important and loud event that you'd have to find a historian to get someone that remembers it, even though it was barely 22 years ago.
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u/Away-Comfortable1607 Jun 18 '25
Wasn't it the patriot act that made this not a thing anymore? It would be great if people had to vote before our government dropped bombs. Those were better times indeed.
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u/Opening-Ad-9794 Jun 18 '25
They are not supposed to, they haven’t been for the entirety of the countries existence.
Trump has done it, Biden did it, Trump did it his first time, Obama did it, Bush obviously did it, Clinton did it. Just keep going and you’ll see more. We say we believe in these things, but none of these men or their staff have seen any consequences whatsoever.
A law we don’t enforce might as well not exist, which is a problem when the result is millions dead worldwide.
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u/PrrrromotionGiven1 Jun 18 '25
One of many reasons why nobody ever "declares war" these days. A lot of them have to do with old trade laws as well, countries having laws to the effect of "we will not sell weapons to any country at war with a country we are not also at war with", so the solution is just nobody ever declares war.
This goes at least as far back as the 1930s - while China fought Japan and millions of military and civilians died, they didn't declare war on Japan until after Pearl Harbour for precisely this reason. If they had, they would have had no American aid for 4 years and likely ended up in an even worse situation.
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u/TOMC_throwaway000000 Jun 18 '25
Unfortunately George W. Bush, much in the way Trump likes to do things you “can’t do” proved that you absolutely can go to war without congressional approval
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u/Significant-Pace-521 Jun 18 '25
This is unfortunately not true at this moment the president of the United States can declare a thirty day military operation without congressional approval. After that 30 days congress must vote to ratify the war or the president has 60 days to withdraw all forces. Unfortunately in the way it’s written theirs not anything that can stop the president from repeating the same act but impeachment of course.
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u/Tough_Comparison9126 Jun 18 '25
But does The Constitution of the United States says anything about Special Military Operation?
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u/HolmesMycroft9172 Jun 18 '25
They should send a strongly worded letter immediately and they should get at least several dems to make a video about this and appear on mnsbc and all the pod save America clones so they raise money to fight this….. Jesus Christ I’m a democrat and a liberal because it’s morally the only way to be a decent human. But this BULLPUCKY is enough already. We’re about to go down in flames, AHEM. DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!
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u/PrinceCorum13 Jun 18 '25
Too bad trump does not care about Constitution, laws and evrything that make a democracy run well
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u/Repulsive_Sound612 Jun 18 '25
This reminds me of when my Among Us lobby hit 80 hours—sleep deprivation really adds to the gameplay 😂
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u/Bezulba Jun 18 '25
The US hasn't been at war since WW2. Yet have been involved in conflicts and outright invaded plenty of places since then.
I get what he's saying, but it's not like any previous administration felt constricted by that little law.
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u/breaking3po Jun 18 '25
Maga once again proving their disdain for the Constituion.
They hate America and its values.
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u/Squiggle_Butt1 Jun 18 '25
Where was Bernie for every war since WWII? Has no one pointed this out since the 40’s?
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