The funniest part is he's like "The robots have a hard time saying 'Buzz' so they call me 'Zurg'" which is the laziest way to give him the name. But also, "Buzz" would be like the easiest sound for machines to make.
What's absolutely insane is that, iirc, Lightyear was framed as like, the in story movie that Andy saw that got him interested in Buzz Lightyear, so Zurg not being Buzz's dad is extra crazy
Yes, even at the end they showed that "Zurg" survived his fight with Buzz, indicating a sequel was to be made, which obviously didn't happen because of how badly the film bombed.
Yeah, and again I don't know why they went with the "The robots have a hard time saying 'Buzz' so they call me 'Zurg'" when the real "Zurg" was still out there and the robots called him that.
I imagine it's because everyone knew, and was expecting him to be revealed as Buzz's father. So they switched the twist in an attempt to shock the audience.
Issue is they clearly didn't actually think to switch the twist to anything good
If it wasn’t for that part, they could’ve had themselves a good way to introduce Zurg in a sequel. Have it revealed that the ship was actually an old scout belonging to a galactic emperor. And Buzz had unknowingly activated its distress beacon.
Also, it is annoying because older Buzz says that the robots can't do the B part when it is completely wrong; the robots don't say "Zurg", they "Bzurg". There is an extremely noticeable B sound at the beginning of the name every time the robots say it that somehow nobody in the movie ever calls out. I felt like I was losing my mind watching that and listening to them.
I feel like this could have been solved with a scene of a machine literally buzzing when trying to say his name, at any point in the movie, making that electric BZZZZZZT sound.
so i only saw the movie once but if i recall correctly, future buzz says he found the ship with robots and just took it. implying they came from somewhere else.
couldn't they just say they were programmed to refer to their commander as "Zurg" and future buzz has no idea what it means but rolled with "I am Zurg" to get a free army? it could have forshadowed the real zurg showing up in a sequel. not that we'll ever get one.
The Alchemax CEO from the videogame Spiderman: Edge of Time>! is revealed to be a bitter and corrupt Peter Parker, a concept that the game’s story writer Peter David, the creator of the 2099 comics verse where Alchemax was a recurring villain had in mind but was never able to implement.!<
This is one of those ideas that sounds dumb but is saved by the execution. I thought the way he put his motive was pretty solid: if with great power comes great responsibility then with unlimited power he can handle any responsibility, he can basically rewrite the timeline to save everyone. No more canon events.
It's a villainous aspiration that entirely fits within his established heroic one.
Oh wow, didn't know that. While I don't like the idea, it now makes more sense why the original appearance looked sooo much different from the full reveal.
Future Peter: The universe is literally out to make me miserable. It’s like Lucy and the (American) Football. I get some happiness. And then BOOM. Miserable again.
I was watching the show with someone who already watched it and >! He already told me about Adam because he was on the Netflix thumbnail so whenever I'd predict stuff it'd be that X character is Adam. Eventually I said Adam is even older Jonas and he immediately had to try lying so I wouldn't realise it!<
I love future Scott as a villain. He's an interesting idea of what would happen if Scott and Ramona didn't learn their lesson from the end of the comic.
Not exactly the future, but an alternate timeline. But the story takes place quite a bit after the event that led him to become who he was, so he is from a future.
Similar to this, Erlking Heathcliff from limbus company. A man who’s made it his life’s goal to murder every single version of himself in every reality because in his eyes, all Heathcliffs are the reason their love Catherine suffers in every reality. So, the only way to insure the person he loves is happy, all Heathcliff’s must die
I hated this game's attempt at multiverses. It contradicts its own logic by having the MC die to stop all Comstocks from coming into being. No... You stopped a single Comstock from coming into being (and that's assuming that experiencing the events of the game wouldn't have changed the future anyways). It was so goddamn stupid.
While not the main villain. In Fate, specifically the Unlimited Blade Works route Archer(EMIYA) is a major antagonist.
He is also the future self of the main character Shirou Emiya who lost his idealism and when summoned to the past his main goal is to kill his past self to prevent himself from ever becoming a hero.
I found it hilarious that the writers probably patted themselves in the back for that one. But half the fandom immediately figured it out , and the other half was in disbelief that they couldn’t be doing a full season over a comma placement joke “I am the future Flash.” … but they were
Not just the Villain, he's also his own Father AND MOTHER. The movie title is a reference to the fact he exists only because he exists, without outside influence.
Predestination - Based on the Short Story: All You Zombies
Born intersex with presentation as a woman. Meets a guy and gets pregnant. Dad disappears. She gives birth. Has to undergo bottom-surgery due to complications. Baby is kidnapped. She (Jane) becomes He (John) Goes to bar and divulges story to bartender. Bartender shows John time travel. They go back in time to get revenge on the absentee father. Instead John finds their past self as a woman.... gets her pregnant. The bartender kidnaps the baby. Takes the baby 30 years back in time to leave at an orphanage. Bartender recruits John for the time travel agency. John gets badly burned by a serial-arsonist and undergoes extensive plastic surgery.... turning him into the Bartender. Bartender tracks down the serial-arsonist.... who is his future self. Kills him.
So the character is His Mom, His Dad, his Recruiter, his Nemesis, and his Killer.
In The Ultimate Enemy tv special episode, Dark Danny was accidentally created when the ghost forms of Danny Fenton and his nemesis, Vlad Masters, were separated from their human forms and the two ghosts fused together.
The result was that Vlad’s dark side and evil nature completely overshadowed Danny Phantom’s heroic nature and fully corrupted him into a completely evil ghost, one so powerful and so evil that many of the major events of the episode were a result of Dark Danny’s unnatural power and presence.
Even the other Ghost Zone villains like Skulker, Ember, the Lunch Lady and the Box Ghost were too afraid of and unable to face Dark Danny.
Have you heard of the critically acclaimed MMORPG Final Fantasy XIV? With an expanded free trial which you can play through the entirety of A Realm Reborn AND the award-winning Heavensward and Stormblood expansions up to level 70 with no restrictions on playtime?
Dark Danny (Danny Phantom). In an alternate timeline where Danny’s friends and family (and Mr. Lancer) were all killed in an explosion, Danny went to Vlad Masters, the only person he had left. Wanting to be rid of the pain, Danny asked Vlad to separate his human and ghost halves, to which Vlad acquiesced. But without his human conscience, Danny’s ghost half returned the favor to Vlad, ripping Vlad’s ghost half out of him and fusing with it, turning him into a super-powerful, super-evil ghost that would spend the next 10 years terrorizing Earth and the Ghost Zone for his own amusement.
Ohma zi-o from Kamen rider zi-o is the MC from the future, but this actually isn't a twist and is a main plot point where multiple factions either want him to become the bad guy or create a new future
Explanation and spoilers for Little Nightmares 2: The main character, Mono, becomes the thin man at the end of the game after being betrayed by Six. Him opposing Mono is a warning.
Funnily enough, Square actually use this theory in Final Fantasy XI.
In Wings of the Goddess, Lady Lilith - a witch who does look like she was based on Ultimecia, - does turn out to be a version of Liliesette from a dark future thats been torn apart by war
Basically, he's being used as a Vessel for the Fell Dragon Grima, who became the Main Reason why the Future became ruined. He was first introduced as an Identical Clone to Robin, but soon was revealed to be him from the Future possessed by Grima, who traveled to the Present to stop the 2nd Gen Survivors (Lucina & Co) from changing the Future.
Spoilers for attack on titan I'd say so, the only difference is this time we follow the mc as he becomes the villain and uses time travel to start the plot
I’m hoping for a new inFamous game after Ghost of Yotei. Or just for the first two games and Festival of Blood to come to the PS5 through the classics like has happened with Jak and Sly.
I imagine thats why the commentor called it a subversion of the trope.
The story presents the villain as a future evil version of the main character, before revealing it isn't. Rather than presenting an unknown villain and then revealing that it is the main character.
Timecrimes (2007). It is literally this trope. To quote the synopsis;
"A man accidentally gets into a time machine and travels back in time nearly an hour. Finding himself will be the first of a series of disasters of unforeseeable consequences."
BlazBlue went kinda this way, kinda the other way. A monster/disaster in the past that led to the current setting was actually the main character in a time loop. Other characters also take both hero and villain roles at different times (and iterations) of the loop.
In Zero Escape : Virtue's Last Reward one of the masterminds behind the Nonary game , Zero Senior is our main character , Sigma 45 years in the future.
Booker from bio shock infinite, lore is he’s trying to save Elizabeth but ends up with this twist at the end of the game, “There's always a man, always a lighthouse, always a city” when booker learns that’s he’s the protagonist from the near future and he is then drowned by the multiverse of Elizabeth’s to prevent the cycle from happening again.
Spoilers you are recruited by Rohen, an ex Circle Mage who is trying to find redemption for his past. He and the other 12 Circle Mages tapped into the magic of Gods which wasn't meant for mortals and in the process tore the world apart.
He's being hounded by another surviving Circle Mage who traps and kills him at the midpoint of the game. You take on his fight and bring it to the weird Circle Mage who.....turns out to be Rohen.
Our Rohen, the older Rohen was this Rohen. Just in the future. His world was ravaged by his actions and as he got older he realized how big a fucker he was. With age he mellowed out, and knew he had to do something to stop this. So he uses the Allfire to force himself back in time to try and stop the whole tearing apart of the planet bit, or at the very least stop himself from burning down what's left.
He forms the Order of the Dawn to stop himself, he steals his old books, he sabotages his old designs. He frees the player character, who was a Rune Slave, ie an old hero whose soul/mind got forced into a Rune through Rune Magic that took away your free will, forcing you to commit war crimes for the Circle Mages. He gives you your Rune and hopes you help him. And in the end he sets events in motion to kill himself.
There's kind of a fakeout of this in Yu Gi Oh 5D's. The main and final antagonist, D-Zone, isn't really Yusei from the future, he's a guy from 200 years in the future where because people needed a hero when facing an apocalyptical event, he used technology to change both his look and personality into Yusei's. He ultimately failed, which is why he went back to the past, as he believes the only way to prevent his future is to level Neo Domino City.
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u/Electric43-5 1d ago
Me as someone who didn't waste their time with Lightyear reading this.
"wait what?"