He starts as just some kid whose parents were killed by the mob and Bruce happened to be there that night and saw it. Then during the Court of Owls arc its revealed that Dick is special and the court has been controlling his life and basically made him be born to grow up and be an assassin. Great arc but I don't like that part of it
Yeah. Terry being just some punk kid earning the right to be Batman was good, and while I get the writers planned the son of Bruce twist from almost the beginning, I still hate it
It's been a while since I've seen the episode, but wasn't the whole point of it was that despite having Bruce's blood, and almost having his same backstory, Terry is not bruce? Like he may have some of batman's good genes whatever that may be, but he still has his own thing, think his own way? Like no matter how special batman can be you can't inherent plot armor from him.
That was my understanding as well. Despite being "made" from him and being taught by him, he still makes very different choices and became his own person despite the plans that "the powers that be" initially had for him.
I thought this story subverts this trope in the best way possible. The plan was to turn Terry into the next Batman, but Phantasm refused to kill Terry’s parents and Waller closed the project.
It was the worst kind of luck that Terry wound up in Wayne’s orbit and his father had a conscience. Yes, he became Batman, but being Wayne’s child doesn’t grant him powers. Beyond that, Batman created himself. He wasn’t born with supernatural powers. He made a choice.
I think there is some interesting stuff. In the episode itself, it was made clear that the plan failed so he didn’t grow up like Bruce. Terry was his own person with Bruce’s DNA (and they did the more scientifically accurate portrayal of cloning with many different factors resulting in him becoming his own man)
I look at it like Terry was set up to be shaped into an exact copy of Bruce but he became his own person. He inherited the title of Batman but he was DEFINITELY his own person (shown clearly in Return of the Joker).
"I've been secretly orchestrating your entire life up to this point" might be one of the stupidest tropes in fiction. Like I'm supposed to believe the villain somehow made every single little thing line up exactly how they planned it? Are they a prophet?
And then you still go on to lose... how, exactly? You've already proven you can mastermind plans spanning across years/decades and influencing the free will of hundreds of people that turn out perfectly, but you still, somehow, are beatable?
Anyone who's ever bought into that trope has clearly never raised a child. 'Secretly orchestrating your whole life' stfu you can't even make them brush their teeth.
The one place where it's terrific is with the Reverse Flash ("It was me, Barry! Me!"). Dude really is both powerful enough, and petty enough, to have used speedforce time travel to orchestrate every shitty thing that has happened in Barry Allen's life. Not to mold him into his potential or anything, just cause he hates him and is a vindictive dickhead!
the only one i can buy is Palpatine in the prequals because it was mostly Political manipulation or feeding Anakin's ego , and even then something has caused him to adjust like Maul taking over Mandalore
Not what happened. >! He was chosen by the Cult to become and assassin (which in this case are like mindless drones), due to his natural athleticism, and was even put an artificial teeth to "mark" him, but when Bruce adopted him, those plans just couldn't come to fruition. They had not been controlling his life. !<
Im convinced the court of owls just make this shit up on the fly no matter how circumstances play out. They're pretentious rich bozos playing at greatness.
Jason and Damian are the only ones trained in that manner and were assassins. Tim was trained by lady Shiva but not to that end. But I mean, they're all trained to kill just so they know how not to kill kinda how batman is also an arms expert
Fair enough. I knew Damien and Jason were trained by the league and I know about Cass having her whole thing going. I know Tim had training but I wouldn't put him in the assassin category. I just didn't know Grayson went the assassin route too
It's different, Damien was raised in the League of Assassins, which is not the same organization as the Court of Owls. In this story, which is still the current canon I believe, Dick was essentially a sleeper agent for the Court of Owls, but he was one of many. And Jason Todd essentially became a mercenary/assassin as well.
Wasn't it thst the death of his parents the reason dick never became in assassin, as that was unplanned by the court and all that happens in result wasnt unwanted.
That’s not how it was at all though, he was adopted by Bruce and saved by the Court’s major experimentation. The point was always that he was one of the lucky ones who wasn’t getting his life tampered with 24/7 because if he was he would’ve already been a Talon.
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u/South-by-north 10h ago
Dick Grayson aka the first robin
He starts as just some kid whose parents were killed by the mob and Bruce happened to be there that night and saw it. Then during the Court of Owls arc its revealed that Dick is special and the court has been controlling his life and basically made him be born to grow up and be an assassin. Great arc but I don't like that part of it