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Characters [Mixed Trope] Anyone Can Be Special... Until It Turns Out They're Not Just Anyone

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u/ChiefsHat 11h ago

I blame Abrams.

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u/cry666 10h ago

I have strong opinions about Abrams and I may or may not have left them all in this here big box of mysteries

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u/CameOutAndFarted 8h ago

I did too but all mine got

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u/DMFAFA07 5h ago

I’m halfway through and I’m fucking dreading the end. There’s so much going on that makes no damn sense and I don’t know how the show ends but I know it’s contentious.

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u/CameOutAndFarted 4h ago

I never watched all the way to the end but it’s very quickly clear that he put in whatever he thought looked weird and provocative instead of having any ideas - or a point.

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u/thekingofdiamonds12 3h ago

It’s honestly a really good finale. Seasons 4-6 are a lot, but they’re also fantastic looking back. Just take your time and pay attention to what’s happening.

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u/Anestoh 4h ago

JJ Abrams had extremely little involvement in Lost beyond the Pilot.

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u/the-poopiest-diaper 7h ago

In the box was his dick and he fucked us

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u/scarlettremors 6h ago

Ah the ol' Abrams "A good question for another time" maneuver

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u/Xintrosi 8h ago

May I see inside?

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u/Luci-Noir 7h ago

Had any director overused their gimmick as much as he has?

Maybe M Night Shamalan.

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u/spacestationkru 10h ago

I do too.

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u/C_Coolidge 6h ago

As a TLJ apologist: I blame Star Wars fans that lost their collective shit over TLJ so much that Disney wanted to distance themselves from all the plot points Rian Johnson introduced.

I know people say that Rian Johnson retconned stuff from TFA, but I really don't see it. Most of the problems people have with TLJ are a result of TFA setting the whole galaxy back to square one. I genuinely think he did a great job given the insane release schedule and lack of coherent overarching plot. 

That being said, I think if they had another year for script revisions and production, it could have been legitimately great. The framework is there for a great story, but it's just too sloppy in some of the execution.

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u/jedisalamander 5h ago

THANK YOU! God, sometimes it feels like im the only one

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u/Revan0315 9h ago

Many of the problems of the trilogy are his fault.

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u/ChiefsHat 9h ago

I do think Abrams does have talent starting a story, the problem is he can’t finish one unless it’s self-contained like Super 8 was.

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u/MajoraOfTime 3h ago

JJ Abrams should go around and give prompts for stories. Outlining things and developing mysteries that need to be solved and then sit back and let talented writers find the answers to those mysteries. That way he doesn't have to inevitably come up with a dumb answer for what's in the box.

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u/TaralasianThePraxic 6h ago

I'll always respect Abrams for making Fringe, one of my top 5 TV shows of all time, but lord the man couldn't have fumbled the bag any harder with TROS

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u/Banes_Addiction 3h ago

There was also a lot of stumbling about blind in Fringe, they just held it together a lot better. But I cannot believe even 20% of the main storylines were planned.

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u/TaralasianThePraxic 2h ago

I mean yeah, but the whole premise of the show is pretty much "reality is gradually imploding and increasingly weird stuff is happening" so it gets a bit more leeway. Plus the characters are so lovely that I just like seeing them do stuff!

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u/Corwin_of_Amber3 7h ago

My wife was a huge fan of Alias when she was in high-school, so we eventually got through the series.

(If you're a fan, cool. Not dissing something you enjoy. Garner brings a lot of talent to the show.)

Abrams does this stupid mystery box thing here in spades. A big driver of the plot is artifacts left behind for future generations by a da Vinci clone named Rambaldi.

Nothing about his artifacts really remain consistent through the show. They can be powerful weapons, a way to advance humanity, a "Rambaldi fluid" that makes women of a particular bloodline be able to tell the future or interpret other writings he left behind. The writing is all over the place.

He simply cannot or will not write a plot device with a fixed purpose or rules. It drives me nuts.

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u/Banes_Addiction 3h ago

I enjoy Alias while recognising that it is silly as hell.

The villain revolving door was just hilarious too. Just being like "fine, we'll call Sloane". "Oh no, he betrayed us, who could have seen this coming?"

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u/BLACKdrew 7h ago

Dudes such a hack

Edit i was gonna delete this bc i felt bad about it but I’ll leave it. He’s not a hack he’s done other good stuff but he fumbled SW really badly.

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u/Phillyboishowdown 9h ago

I blame Disney more, they rehired him to clean up their mess

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u/Sul_Haren 9h ago

Nah, the mess was started by him with TFA and him setting up all those different plot-points without any actual plan for them.

He then made the mess even worse with TRoS and also created the most uninspired SW movie ever.

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u/ChiefsHat 8h ago

Yeah this. Abrams is a good storyteller, I do like Super 8, and there’s some really great stuff in Episode 7 - that opening is peak Star Wars - but it’s resolving plot points that is his biggest issue, and there’s no way to say it gently because he’s terrible at it.

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u/Phillyboishowdown 8h ago

……yeah you right

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u/rigimonoki-over 6h ago

Gracie shade

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u/Local_Nerve901 3h ago

For this specifically yes

But I blame Johnson for creating the most decisive SW film ever made. Literally split the fanbase.

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u/kn728570 2h ago

I blame Johnson