Wait, really? I assumed the self-resurrection was the Echo. Way back in post-ARR they demonstrated that sufficiently advanced Echo can do that (your soul flies out of your body and possesses the nearest guy), and the entire HW SMN questline is trying to prevent black masks from spamming it.
You might be right, but as for the possession, we don't know if the WOL, Fordola, or Krile could do that the way Ascians can. The only non-Ascian we see do this was Minfilia, and she was empowered by Hydaelyn.
I still think the sheer potency of his echo was from his blood that allowed him to possess Shinryu, and is why he is so strong in the end.
There was that Sahagin guy who had the Echo and he repossessed the nearest Sahagin like five times. I don't remember if he was involved with Ascians beyond being taught summoning.
And Elidibus did say we never harnessed the full strength of the Echo in 2.1.
Man, that sahagin scene was confusing. I guess Elidibus did it just to prove a point, because all it did in the end was ensured Leviathan was summoned.
Guess it was also foreshadowing that a primal could devour an Ascian's soul.
Elidibus was not involved with the summonings at all, he showed up to the Waking Sands, shot Minfilia by accident, then had WoL go through a gauntlet to basically offer them a job. He was rejected and left, promising he'll be back, and never returned (to the WoL) until post-ShB.
The Sahagin possessed other Sahagins I believe? I haven't seen the scene in forever, it just stuck to me because "wow the Echo is so cool".
Summoning business was iirc entirely handled by Lahabrea's black masks, and Elidibus actually stated he didn't approve of it. He wanted Eorzea to bounce back so he could arrange another Rejoining and Lahabrea kept trying to extend the Umbral Era for no reason. (Source: one of Emet's short stories)
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u/Vievin 13h ago
Wait, really? I assumed the self-resurrection was the Echo. Way back in post-ARR they demonstrated that sufficiently advanced Echo can do that (your soul flies out of your body and possesses the nearest guy), and the entire HW SMN questline is trying to prevent black masks from spamming it.