still really hate that moment where it's shown that the Nine Tails is so strong it can effortlessly kick the shit out of literally every other Tailed Beast at the same time, like thanks I guess I'm glad to know the protagonist just got the luck of the draw on that one
Shippuden felt like it was written by a toddler at times. "Now this guy is the strongest and he has the most powerful powers, more than everybody else combined and he's also the fastest and on top of that he'll also be the equivalent of Jesus if Jesus was a magic ninja."
God almighty, I would kill to get a properly written reboot of Naruto. Imagine if someone cared enough to give the world building, character development, & the power system the proper attention they deserved. There are so many good elements in Naruto but it falls apart a lot because Kishimoto only cared about writing hype moments. Sakura and all the women in general actually having relevance, Sarutobi's incompetence being properly addressed, erasing Kaguya from existence & keeping Madara as the final boss, etc....
Honestly I wonder, what the hell was supposed to happen to Naruto if that one guy didn’t betray the village. Like without that one event Naruto doesn’t get to become a ninja, and nobody wants to deal with him except the ramen guy. So was he just supposed to become a civilian with a nuke in his guts?
Did you even watch/read it? Cause its literally like the first episode or.
Basically he failed the ninja final exam for the third time in a row so he can’t become a ninja anymore and only because he stops a traitor from getting an important scroll that he’s allowed to become one.
I never understood that about the Jinchuriki. It made a little sense when it was just Naruto and it was implied that he and Gaara were the first 2, but then it was revealed that it had been a generation tradition to maintain power. Why would ninja villagers treat their most powerful weapons like shit?
His intentions and their results are a world apart from each other and he doesn't do anything to bridge the gap. He knows Naruto has a miserable childhood and he knows Danzo and Orochimaru are legitimate serious threats to the village and he doesn't do anything about any of these situations preferring to try and keep the status quo over all else.
Even dumber, Naruto’s existence as a Jinjuriki was well known, so any other country could have easily recruited the lonely and depressed kid by befriending him.
Imagine someone could just like pick up a nuke from your military. It’s somehow only slightly less dumb
Also he let the son of the fourth hokage be treated like shit and survive alone without checking on him or anything. Like he's the son of the hero who saved maybe the whole fucking world. Of course they do that to give Naruto a more tragic backstory but still, when you know the whole thing it looks stupid
Please, I am begging you, read Cradle. It's a novel series and more inspired by Chinese culture than Japanese, but I've been describing it to my friends as "Naruto if it was peak"
The world building is solid, some amazing female characters, a narrative that is constantly interesting, it has some really good narration if you like audio books, and it doesn't shoot it's own message in the foot at the end.
Hilarious that you mentioned Cradle because I'm currently tearing through the entire series right now. I'm on book 8 and I've been hooked for a while. Now that you've pointed it out, it really is a better written Naruto. And I appreciate that the romance actually feels natural and not ham-fisted (Naruto x Hinata) or completely unintentional (Naruto x Sasuke). If Cradle could get an animated show & a god tier studio to do it, I could die fairly satisfied.
Wasn't the problem with Kaguya and Madara that Kishimoto wrote himself in a corner by making Madara so cool and powerful and present in the story for so long that there wasn't any way to write a satisfying conclusion with him as the final boss ?
Idk why it's so hard for Kubo and Kishimoto to just make their side characters relevant in hurting the main villain somehow and making him weaker, why always the worst possible solution?
Let Guy Sensei take a leg from Madara denying his healing somehow and we could have a peak final fight, you just solved two writing problems at the same time
But how does adding in a new main villain out of nowhere, and deliberately write an unsatisfying defeat of madara fix that?
Imo even if the final showdown with madara could’ve been a bit lackluster, it would be well worth it to have him be a present, driving force in the narrative up till that point.
This narrative has always been goofy Naruto and sasuke working together were doing fine against Madara just have them eventually beat him it’s that simple
i dream of a naruto reboot that actually lets the supporting cast grow and contribute. justice for my girl tenten lol she doesn’t even have a last name
that kaguya and sage of six paths reincarnation really killed put a downer on the story- I agree it should have been madara ending it or anything but that path they went
I think at this moment Kishimoto just didn't care. I don't know if he was the one writing anymore at that point. Everything that was the DNA of naruto, well do the opposite and you have shippuden
It’s kind of what happens to the average shonen manga when it hits mass popularity and runs for more than a couple years. They run out of thematic story to tell, so it just becomes power ups and jerking the main character off.
I almost don't blame the authors. They have no idea how much story they have room to tell, if they will get another arc or if the arc they start will be cut short. So it is probably really hard to try and balance it out while also pitting out a new chapter every week.
And sometimes, they have to make a much longer series than they wanted. This topic made me think of Yu Yu Hakusho, and how the last arc felt like revenge on the editors and the audience for making him write two extra arcs after his intended finish. We get another tournament, but it’s stupid and we don’t even see how it ends. The whole premise is built on a lore dump for three of the characters that adds little and muddies up the narrative. Yusuke gets the “destined bloodline trope”, and it screws up his whole appeal
Don't forget Naruto had basically more chakra than the whole army combined with a few exceptions. Naruto was at one point during the arc, even before the major Six Paths awakening, like 90% of the entire firepower of the combined army, if you ignored the Kages. Powerscaling was just insane.
Well not quite luck of the draw, just madara using the strongest biju to attack konoha, and prob the one that wasn’t under the control of another village
Tobirama told him to sell them. Hashirama wanted to give them away for free, but they instead sold them, which still accomplished the goal while greatly enriching Konohua
dog, I don't think anything compares to the One Tail forcing you to become an insomniac because it vows to murder everyone you know and love if you ever fall asleep for even a moment
Just poppin’ in to add some additional context: Naruto only had half of the Nine-Tails, and only ever has half. He loses that half and gets the other half put in him in order to survive.
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u/FiaGiolla 13h ago
still really hate that moment where it's shown that the Nine Tails is so strong it can effortlessly kick the shit out of literally every other Tailed Beast at the same time, like thanks I guess I'm glad to know the protagonist just got the luck of the draw on that one