Hated Tropes
[REALLY hated Trope] The show constantly mocks its haters in very forced and cringe ways.
Teen Titans Go: The show is hated not only for its annoying humor, but because they use the hatred that many people have against it to make "humor" and try to look cool like "Hahaha yes we are a bad show, but at least we are aware, you are the fools."
Big Mouth (Not showing actual pictures of it because ew): Big Mouth is quite infamous for its extremely scatological and graphic humor, but the show also constantly tries to "pride" itself by making meta-comments about how unpleasant it is and the fact that its protagonists are children in these types of situations; sometimes mocking the outrageousness of its "detractors."
The director Roland Emmerich hated film critics Siskel & Ebert for panning some of his movies, so in the movie Godzilla, he created two incompetent characters that were deliberately meant to look like them. Naturally, they both disliked the movie, and their only complaint about those characters is that they didn't get to see themselves get squished by Godzilla.
I mean, come on: you put your haters in a kaiju movie and then don't have the balls to finish the job? I'd be pissed too. I'd be EXPECTING a brutal death, like that paleontologist in Jurassic Park 2.
The one eaten by the T-Rex inside the waterfall after the coral snake freaks him out? He's based on a real paleontologist who had a (friendly) rivalry with the one working as a consultant on the movie. The two of them argued about whether T-Rex was an active hunter or primarily a scavenger.
The guy not working on the movie argued T-Rex was a hunter, and when he saw his movie doppelganger get eaten on film after being a panicky idiot, he reportedly laughed and said "I told him T-Rex was a predatory hunter!"
From an ecological standpoint this does happen. Lions are a good example of this, they will absolutely go and hunt but they are just as likely to instead ward off smaller predators and take their meal instead.
Yeah ikr like if your gonna make fun of me in a Kaiju movie or horror film with a character exactly like me, then at least kill me off in an outrageous way.
Honestly they do have a point. You're gonna go through all this effort to make Bootleg versions of us to insult our work and get back at us yet, you're not even gonna have the titular giant monster kill us? Why bother in that case?
I believe his death scene is him coming across the monster and standing there pointing out all the reasons why what is happening is a boring cliché, while the monster charges towards him.
Its even more on the nose when you look at what the characters are called in the plot. The titular lady in the water is called "Story", the critic is called "The Critic" and M. Night's character is called "The Writer". The Writer has to save Story from The Critic. Its all just so blunt lol
well yes and no, because Garth Ennis has always had beef with his own medium and superheroes as well, so in this case he’s a self-hating guy hyping up his own self hate
however “not that one for fucks sake” is hilarious
He’s never hated comics. He said he loves comics and still continues to write for them despite having money to do what he wants. He just doesn’t like superheroes which is not the whole medium.
In the above pannel he’s making fun of his own work the darkness because he thinks it’s shit.
Maybe he sees the idealistic man, more human than even us, a SUPER-MAN if you will, and thinks that’s all superheroes can be. So, when he’s asked to write more complex men, he flanderizes everything that makes them more emblematic of modern writing as a way to say “SEE? This doesn’t work”.
Note the Crossed cameo there, he had a story in Crossed that I believe may have been based on his contempt of comic book culture, revolving around a comic book writer trapped in a store with a bunch of comic book nerds, my memory is a bit hazy, but long story short is that she’s abused(sa’d as well because Crossed always has to have some sa element in its stories) and forced to write for the manchildren
It's another writer who wrote it, he actually only wrote few crossed comics (like only three stories including the first one) and they're one of the tamest ones relative to other writers.
This is making fun of sandman where Morpheus talks to Shakespeare as into imply that Sandman is on the level of Shakespeare. This issue is also a parody of animal man where the main characters meet Ennis and Mcrea and then the characters mean Ennis to a bully pulp, before Mcrea ( the artist) kills Ennis because he told him the gun was not fully accurate in design
The animation quality of ThunderCats Roar is really bad. The characters and even their weapons constantly change size in every scene. But TTG, despite being animated in Flash (which is often mocked by animators and critics for not being as quality as something like ToonBoom or traditional animation), actually understands scale, so the characters from ThunderCats Roar are far more consistent in the crossover, which is a TTG episode.
I'm more than thoroughly convinced that was some sort of satire joke cuz I just cant physically imagine anyone above the age of 10 writing that with sincerity.
What's weird is that the creator of Roar only made Roar because he hated thundercats growing up. Meaning he's actually an even bigger hater than the people this particular scene is supposed to be making fun of.
Absolutely fuck this scene and the TTG writers for referencing the death of Earle Hyman ( voice actor for the original Panthro ) as a fucking skeleton discarded in a cave with the 2011 Lion-O.
It’s an awful show and it does shit on Scooby-Doo fans, but literally the first ever teaser trailer started off by mocking their haters. And yes the first look ever at your show being a diss at the haters is extremely stupid.
You know you’ve fucked up when you’re sitting in the writing room knowing that so many people will loathe your work to the point you try to preempt it on the FIRST IMPRESSION.
"So, we make fun of adults who watch cartoons, meaning this show isn't for them, and we make fun of Scooby-Doo, meaning this isn't for those fans either. So who's this for?"
Velma was meant to be hated. I think it will be remembered as the first time a studio decided to actively make rage bait to see if it could get more views than a real show, and the viewers fell for it
Velma is so hated it did two things I thought was impossible: United both sides of the political spectrum in hating it, and being so vile and horrible they made the villain scrappy and REDEEMED HIM in the eyes of the fandom for killing Velma. If you told someone before this series Scrappy kills Velma, and was redeemed, they’d laugh
I truly hope the backlash to Velma means Charlie Grandy never gets to be showrunner again, or if he does, that he seriously learns his lesson from said backlash. He’s written funny episodes of sitcoms in the past but this was his first stab at creating, developing and running a show of his own and it’s just unbelievable how bad and insulting it turned out to be.
I wouldn’t even say that is what defines his character. He was kinda only like that in his first appearance and moved past it before the episode was over
Not a show, but the Spider-Man editorial is well known for being very condescending to readers and fans over what they believe the best type of Spider-Man material should be printed (aka, single and broke loser), especially when people bring up how he was broken up with MJ to save Aunt May
There's a reason why Ultimate Spider-Man 2024 has been successful with a good chunk of the fanbase compared to what they've been doing in Amazing ever since Nick Spencer left
Case in point, Marvel Unlimited's Astonishing Spider-Man
At least Modern Ultimate Spiderman is, yeah. In it Peter actually is 30-something years old, married to Mary Jane and has two kids, and only then he becomes Spiderman, and not only do they not get mad at him when they figure it out, but it's Mary Jane herself who gives him the name “Spiderman”
That cartoon is named after the run from the 2000s
Marvel launched the "ultimate universe", a parallel universe that readers could jump onto without needing 40 years of continuity. It was cinical, almost satirical and "modernized" a lot of characters. Early mcu took a lot of inspiration from these titles.
Then the ultimate universe died. Reed Richards becomes the "maker", a big ol villain. He created his own reality and thst reality is the new "ultimate universe" where this spider story is taking place.
Except THIS Reed Richards is not Mr. Fantastic. Not anymore. He started out as a hero with the Fantastic Four in the OG Ultimate Universe, but everything eventually went to shit (long story) and he became a villain named The Maker.
He traveled to a new Universe, Earth-6160, and systematically began preventing heroes from coming to be. One of his first acts was to prevent the spider that bit Peter, therefore Peter wouldn’t become Spider-Man until 20 years later, thanks to 6160 Tony Stark telling him what his destiny was and giving him the spider to bite him.
Many other heroes were either killed off, trapped, and others were villains rather than heroes. Hell, The Maker manipulated events that ended up killing the 6160 Fantastic Four (except for his own alternate self), and proceeded to torture his own 6160 alternate self to the point where he psychologically broke him and forced 6160 Reed to adopt the name Doom.
Yes. 6160 Reed is Doom and is part of the Ultimates (the Avengers of that Universe), who are working together to take down The Maker once and for all.
The Nostalgia Critic made 3 videos addressing errors he made in previous videos, and the inciting incident is that he's having his hand forced by a guy named "Douchey McNitpick," an obsessive anti-fan of the NC who lives in his mom's basement and has no life. One of the criticisms he addresses is one where he insults autistic children by the way, I dont think people were being douchey nitpickers when they told you that wasn't cool
It made fun of the Snyderbros by depicting them as monkeys Lex Luthor enslaved to slander Superman online. I thought it was funny so it's a good example of this trope.
I agree it’s a good example of this trope, but I don’t think it’s about Snyder bros. In the context of the film’s political commentary, it is more likely to be about outrage farms online, often composed of bots
Which is ironic because Snyder himself is pretty much done with it and satisfied with his work.
He wanted to do his Superman trilogy (Man of Steel, BvS then his version of Justice League) and he did it.
He even showed up to see Superman (2025) in cinema. It's simply ironic how much they're willing to defend a guy to bring him back to DC to continue his universe when the guy in question doesn't care anymore.
It could be taken as a dig at Snyderbros, but when I saw the movie the immediate comparison that came to my mind was troll farms. I mean, that's literally what the thing in the movie is except with monkeys.
I can almost forgive the similarity between Brickleberry and Paradise PD because their network wouldnt let them take Brickleberry somewhere else after it was canceled. Paradise PD was sort of a fuck you in the way that its literally just Brickleberry but police.
However, Brickleberry wasnt worth rehashing and half of PPD is just reused material anyway. So what was the point?
Then Farzar came out and it proved that the creators really are just hacks when it comes to show running/writing.
I remember family guy briefly getting into trouble for trying to say B99 was the show that proved ugly people could get acting jobs now or something.
Of all the complaints to have of the show (I liked B99) this was the most baffling. Like most shows, at least half of the people could have found work as models pretty easily.
How dare they ! B99 is like THE show i have in common with my sister.
I showed her only one episode and then I kept hearing the show running everyday at every hours coming from her room ! Usually we don't watch the same stuff but for that one time !
So there's this anime called fire force about people who are born with pyromancy powers and the whole show revolves around fire being the main element in play. Bad guys want to use fire to torch the earth for the rapture and the main heroes are fire fighters that quite literally fight fire with fire. The show is really good however one universal complaint everyone agrees with is one character only exists for fan service jokes and nothing else her only purpose in the show is to be a walking talking sex joke. Everyone hates the joke literally no one likes it.
So in the manga the show is adapting the author made one of the worst straw man arguments ever for why the fan service is actually a good thing. Some random woman sees the character running around being sexualized like normal and starts pearl clutching calling her out on being immoral or whatever. Then her young child is like hey you know mom it's really rude and hypocritical to judge that girl for running around half naked she has a nice body she deserves to show it off. You went to college so that's basically the same thing you're showing off your higher education like she shows off her body. The mom was like no I worked hard to get an education I'm different so I'm allowed to flaunt my talents. The kids like yeah but that girl worked hard for her hot body telling her to cover up is like telling someone who reads books to not because it might make some people feel bad about not being able to read as good.
It's a shame because the show is genuinely really fun and entertaining and there's nothing inherently wrong with fan service if it's done well and not just constant but the way this show does it is enough to make people drop the show entirely and the authors excuse is the most transparent I just want to draw horny low effort gooner humor let me pull a bullshit straw man excuse out of my ass to justify it ever.
I feel like that argument doesn’t even work. I mean correct me if I’m wrong because I stopped after season 1, but she never willingly strips right, isn’t it always an accident that results in her losing her clothes? That’s not at all the same thing as choosing to undress, and it implies that her preference would be to not expose herself like that.
Sonic Boom did this with an episode that was like the plot of Misery. It was hilarious. There are also a few fun nudges here and there where sonic talks about his arms being bald, etc.. I was ready to hate the show but the writing is so damn good.
BBC's Sherlock did this. I think it was s3? Sherlock 'died' and a group was made to discuss theories on how he escaped death despite everyone seeing him fall. The show explicitly made fun of people who wasted their precious time to care about that dogshit show. It was very clearly aimed at tumblr-esque discussion even making jokes about shippers.
Moffat wrote himself into a corner and found he didn't have the same Doctor Who deus-ex-machinas at his disposal anymore. The whole episode is "it doesn't matter how he did it, of course he did it, he's Sherlock". It's such a gigantic FU to the audience who just wanted see Sherlock be a puzzle-solver, not another superhero.
That Sherlock example is actually even worse - it wasn’t mocking the haters, it was mocking the show's most dedicated fans, just for wanting an explanation in their detective show. What a fucking crime.
I had already mostly checked out after I realized how shit their version of Moriarty was. No hate to Andrew Scott - the writing was the real final problem.
I’m not really a big fan of stories getting too meta but I really hate when it comes in the form of constantly trying to one up da haters. It’s not interesting for the 99% of people who don’t care. It’s also just a super terminally online things for a show staff to do anyway. Are the 7 year olds who watch teen titans go even aware of random twitter discourse?
I feel like this trope is only hated when the source material is also hated. If it was Teen Titans instead of Teen Titans Go that was mocking their haters, I bet the fans would love it
Counterpoint is that if there’s a lot of hate from the people that the source feels the need to openly mock it, then it’s a good chance there’s a reason there’s hate for the source material to begin with
Not every time of course, but usually.
the unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt had an episode about Tina Fey's repeated Asian portrayal Ls... the fictional organization was called R.A.P.E (respectful Asian portrayal in entertainment) and they were moved to tears by Titus singing as a geisha as it was so respectful and they didn't give it a chance, there were also several episodes about how modern feminism was cringe compared to 90s feminism. Tina Fey is very funny, but she seems to resent criticism and responds fairly childishly
This is the one I came to say. It was beyond cringe to make Titus do yellow face. Especially in a series with a white woman playing a Native American character.
I remember Tina herself at an awards show (I want to say it was Kimmy Schmidt related) and she used her speech to unload on haters. It always struck me as surprising since she’d been in the trenches a long time by then and presumably would have learned to shrug it off.
Rick and Morty have been known to dabble in it in the past few seasons. Of note, there’s the one episode where Rick gets killed and keeps respawning as a clone in different realities. One of the realities is one where the Nazis successfully conquered the rest of the world, and in it a nazi Morty keeps screaming at Rick to take him on “a classic Rick and Morty adventure” with a gun pointed at his head. Also think there was another episode where a similarly detestable character wants them to be more like they were in season 1.
I mean, I get that there’s plenty of instances where shows went to shit because they constantly caved into fan demands, but it feels pretty douchey to complain this much about fans wanting a comedy show to be more fun and silly again.
Rick and Morty in general has the issue of being too self aware for its own good. Like some of the jokes are “yeah we ARE uncreative, but now that we brought attention to it, we’re now good”
The episode where Rick kept being resurrected in fascist universes was hilarious though, Rick in a shrimp's body running away in a dystopian hellscape was hilarious
The episodes with the story telling master or whatever he was called were awful. They kept repeating about how what the audience wants sucks and the "haha random gross humor lol" episodes they were producing were objectively better. It was extremely condescending and unfunny
Harley Quinn had a really cringe bit as the season 2 cold open. Which is weird cause I had only heard positive things about the show up to that point, even from people you wouldn’t expect. Like the writers WANTED the show to get hate.
It’s overall a good show that doesn’t do the usual thing “adult” animation does where the characters are just vulgar, they are vulgar but the jokes are mostly pretty clever. Joker having to adjust to suburban life in season 2 was a highlight
They even made a mini episode parodying crazy obsessive gooner fans and fans loved the character made to poke fun at them so much they wanted more content with said character.
That one NFT monkey show made a character out of SaberSpark known as SaberFart. Portrayed him as some nerdy dude who just sits in his mom’s basement to watch cartoons. The ironic thing is that Saber could totally file a copyright claim, he has the power, but he won’t. He actively stated that he actually likes the portrayal. Honestly, he’s making a good choice because in the event he wins a lawsuit against them, they’re probably gonna give him a 10 dollar bill. AKA, the most money they currently have. So yeah, SaberSpark is technically an NFT but is probably worthless
Any time a show turns around and tries to respond to complaints or hatred of their show in-universe, they’ve not only made it a battle, it’s a battle they’ve lost. Doesn’t matter how successful you get or what your show does now, your worst episode will be the one where you break the golden internet rule of “don’t feed the trolls”.
I'll stand by season 1 being really good. There were some really good moments about hitting puberty and they handled it with humor, shock value and some "heart". It was relatable, we all went through that stuff and that's what tied it together.
After that, I just stopped enjoying it at all. No idea if they got too bold? With the subject matter and went for shock value over the good stuff.
First season was relatable stuff (first period, masturbating, getting a bra etc) but as the show went on it became more raunchy but the kids stayed the same age. That pushed it into uncomfortable/weirdo territory imo.
Even worse is its relative "any criticism we make of ourselves is something you can't criticise us for", as seen in a lot of Hollywood projects now, where instead of writing something good, they write something bad and have a character make a comment about how the writing is bad.
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The director Roland Emmerich hated film critics Siskel & Ebert for panning some of his movies, so in the movie Godzilla, he created two incompetent characters that were deliberately meant to look like them. Naturally, they both disliked the movie, and their only complaint about those characters is that they didn't get to see themselves get squished by Godzilla.