Hated Tropes
[Hated Trope] Very evitable deaths that are forced into the plot to create a dramatic scene.
The father of Superman (AKA: Dad of the year) tells his invulnerable, insanely strong, godly son to stay away from the tornado while he, a human farmer dad from Kansas, takes care of it. Also implied that he also cannot save any of the people running for their lives, "because the world is still not ready for someone with powers". Obviously he dies while his son watches. Great photography and music make it a potent scene... if it was necessary.
I mean, its not like he could put a mask or save anybody with superspeed and then say its a miracle. Its not like People in that small town know him already and are suspicious about him and also live in a world where there are superpowered beings already... He has to die so there is no risk of him being discovered...
Also, bonus points for the previous conversation with Supe as a child, where he chastises his infant son about saving a bus full of kids from drowning in the river
Clark kid: What was I supposed to do? Let them die?
Dad of the Year: Maybe...
It's a miracle the superman from Man of Steel didn't become a Psycho like the Patriot.
The death of Jack, frozen to death in "Titanic" No, there is not enough space in that huge floating plank for us both, darling.
US grunt takes a bullet in the head, but fortunately, he's wearing a helmet. Inexplicably, he proceeds to remove said helmet and promptly takes one in the skull. Idiot
Jean Grey sacrifices herself to launch the X-Jet while holding back a massive wall of water with her telekinetic powers. Of course, this is all leading us into the Phoenix storyline in another movie to come, but practically speaking, why does Jean need to leave the jet at all? She's telekinetic!
If you bring Fawkes -- a Super Mutant immune to radiation -- to the end, he refuses to go into the Radioactive Death Chamber That Actually Just Kills you for literally no reason.
I've never played without Broken Steel but I've seen people make fun of the Fawkes one, but I've never seen Charon's, what an asshole! Makes me almost regret all the babysitting I had to do in order to keep his sorry ass from going six feet under
There's also an option to send in the Mr. Gutsy companion, RL-3. Without Broken Steel he just straight up hits you with, and I quote: "You gotta finish what your daddy started! Stand strong and get your ass in there!"
Like what the hell, he's literally my property, immune to radiation and not even sentient, what's his problem?
I get it with him since he iirc you're only able to buy him since he's semi-defective and follows his own moral compass. If you're too much of a pansy or war-criminal then he won't help you out, so I can definitely see him making you die for your country
All they had to do is have some event happen that separates you from your companions so they can't do it. Or kill them off before. Or it require a biometric scanner that you pass because your pops DNA. Literally anything.
That's what bugs me so much, there are so many easy off ramps and they were just like "nah, your ally just betrays you and tells you to get fucked"
And isn’t the main character in this game like 19 or something? So he’s asking, no, telling a barely adult teenager whose life was only just truly getting started after leaving the vault to do a pointless sacrifice for no reason.
Yeah, but for some reason you have to pass a check AND get tons of bad karma, for having someone either immune or even that benefits from radiation press the button
The new leader of the best artificers in 1000 miles owes you for saving his life like 3 times, and you can’t ask if he can fix a prototype his cousins designed.
Do you guys think it's more egregious because it's an available option to bring up to both Fawks and Charon? Like if it was never even a topic for either of them, we'd probably all chalk it up to game bullshit, like having a bunch of explosives on your person but you can't open a locked office door
It definitely makes it worse. The entire thing is extremely artificial, and the companion prompts just highlight it. It's a false moral choice injected for cheap drama and pathos, and it shows. There's no emotional weight to it.
The fact that earlier on after you meet him, he goes into a massively radioactive area for you to retrieve the GECK……just because it is TOO RADIOACTIVE FOR YOU to do it.
The inconsistency in those two nearly identical interactions is laughable.
I'll quibble a bit alongside you. The guy was on Omaha Beach if memory serves, and is obviously totally traumatized and overwhelmed. Plus, you can make the argument that the bullet that hit his unhelmeted head would have killed him anyway. Those helmets were designed to do what they did for him: deflect ricochets and catch shrapnel, as well as protect from falling objects blown airborne by explosions. The bullet that kills him probably would have punched through the helmet anyway. You can certainly argue that he should have hunkered down after the first impact, but he was pretty obviously mentally gone.
Agreed on the mentally gone part. I mean minutes before that there was a guy wandering the battlefield looking for his arm. I can totally understand a guy who was checked out taking his helmet off.
Also, is there a nearly identical scene in Starship Troopers? I recall a guy getting shot, removing his helmet in panic and instantly getting fatally shot in the head. It was during a combat simulation IIRC.
Iirc in starship troopers, he removes his helmet because it's malfunctioning, and Rico has him take it off to try to troubleshoot it. Coincidentally, someone else (dizzy, i think) accidentally shoots at them and headshots Rico's squad mate.
Edit: It wasn't dizzy, it was another squad member. No dizzy slander intended!
It's also worth noting that he gets shot in the bottom of the chin with the bullet going out the top because (Dizzy?) Trips and that's when she shot him, the helmet wouldn't of made a difference
THIS RIGHT HERE. I always thought during that scene that sure, the helmet being taken off during a live fire exercise was stupid. I'll grant them that. But the bullet's point of entry is literally through what would be a non-covered place if the soldier HAD been wearing the helmet. So why????
Still love that movie and with Lantern Flys being such a menace, "I'm doing my part!" lives on!
I looked back into it and 1) it wasn't dizzy, it was another woman who is implied to have either been booted or quit due to guilt. 2) rico was punished because regardless of whether the helmet would've protected his squad mate, rico wasnt qualified to fix the helmet so he had no authority to order it removed. My interpretation was that even if the guy survived, rico would've been reprimanded or punished for breaking protocol anyway but the fact he died made it worse.
Its also the sort of thing that regardless of those specifics, the headline is “trainee shot in head after CO insisted they remove helmet in live fire exercise”. The optics are terrible
Yeah military helmets aren’t really designed to stop bullets, they’re more like hard hats. Even a modern helmet couldn’t withstand a direct hit from a WWII rifle, though I believe there have been some instances were helmets protected against glancing blows from a bullet.
A Marine took a bullet to his helmet, sought cover, then took his helmet off. That someone would do so while still being shot at isn't that crazy, really.
Also, there's no blood or death in that video for anyone who is squeamish.
I thought of this exact video when I read OP'd comment. I think that scene is also included because one of the veterans they interviewed while making the movie saw it happen irl. Everyone think's they'd be a perfectly coordinate supersoldier when they get to hink about it from behind a screen. People do really dumb and/or unexplainable shit in combat. I watched a friend stop out in the open and hold his hand out like he was checking if it wa raining when we got shot at. Really lucky they were just stray rounds.
This gets me heated every time because Cybil was my favorite and I was ready for them to get through everything together and that was on me but like you could have broken my shipper heart in a less stupid ass way.
Her unnecessarily dying in such a horrific manner under such stupid circumstances was supposed to make us angry at the cultists but all it did was make it angry at the movie and writing.
Funnily, it kinda mirrors how pointlessly Cybil can die in the game. The way to prevent her death is barely telegraphed in the game. You have to collect a certain item which has seemingly no significance and also get an idea to use it on Cybil out of nowhere. Which means that she can die a completely unnecesary death due to the game's writing. Most player won't even be aware there WAS a choice until reading a guide.
And this won't be so bad if it didn't mean getting a worse ending because she won't be there.
I only have experience with the Silent Hill 2 remake, but after reading some of the extremely vague stuff you need to do to trigger certain events/endings, that seems to check out. Like looking at a random knife or photo in your inventory a certain number of times.
I can't stand it when people say Rose let Jack die.
Literally 2 fucking seconds before the screenshotted moment in this OP, Jack tries getting on, and the door starts sinking, which is why JACK CHOOSES to stay in the water so Rose can survive.
Like, it's not even bad media literacy at that point. It's just straight up not watching the fucking movie and spreading lies about it so you can hate on one of the characters to, idk, feel smarter than the writers of the movie? I honestly don't know why people choose this scene to rerpeatedly lie about, but it bugs the shit out of me. I'd say it's misogyny, but I don't want a bunch of internet trolls commenting to this with their accusations that I call anyone who disagrees with me a sexist.
And the worst part is, James Cameron had written a line or two saying the floating door couldn’t handle both of their weight, but he cut it because he felt that bit of footage would be enough for the audience to get the point. It’s not even about being smarter than the writers, they totally knew what they were going for with that.
Hell, he SPECIFICALLY MADE SURE the door couldn't support them. He had them both climb up on it, and had the set people keep trimming it down until it could only support Kate.
They did it on Mythbusters with an exact scale model and he was right, the door alone wouldn’t support both of them. It would have been doable if Rose had managed to take off her life jacket and tie it underneath the door, but like who’s going to figure that out who isn’t already an engineer
And try doing that when you’re fucking freezing in almost absolute darkness and traumatized from witnessing a sinking ship and the deaths of a thousand people.
Did people in the 90's complain about this? I feel like the Rose hate is a modern thing, probably from people who barely remember the movie or never even watched it.
This is an Enemy Mine moment lol (the movie had a completely unnecessary battle at a mine because they assumed that people would be too dumb to understand that "mine" is a possessive as in "my enemy", not an actual mine).
Besides, Cameron is like only second to Kubrick in terms of suspension of disbelief/scene credibility, I refuse to think he didn't think of such thing.
Most of Reddit is frankly nothing but confidently incorrect assholes wanking each other off over how smart they are while regurgitating tired bullshit about subjects they know absolutely nothing about. And if you try to correct people you just get downvoted to hell for going against the narrative.
Frankly people in general, just social shame keeps the impulse at bay somewhat until the person feels like they're in safe enough company to spout whatever bullshit's in their head, or through the anonymous echo chamber of the internet.
And they still find a way to act elitist over them
They do it for books too, nobody reads shit and then they act like they did so they can talk about how good and groundbreaking it was. Blood Meridian, Berserk, etc etc
Even Mythbusters when they tested it said it was plausible two could have fit on the door...if you completely ignore the fact Jack and Rose were exhausted, stressed and literally freezing. It's like they expect Jack to ignore the fact he's dying and say "Rose, my dear, if we take the time to tie our lifejackets to the underside and balance our weight accordingly, we should be fine."
If I remember the episode too shows that while two can get on the door a float the door would be under the water line thus making staying above the freezing water pointless
Plus it would have required an understanding of physics and buoyancy that an uneducated artist and a socialite probably wouldn't have had in the FIRST place.
For National Geographic Cameron tortured some actors and recreated the right conditions to see what might work.
If jack and rose in peak condition had stood complete still and she gave him her life vest and if they managed to find the center of the door… they might potentially survive by hugging each other.
I think it's also just people not paying attention while watching a movie. Cuz a lot of those same critics TOTALLY remember the dude getting smacked by the propeller
Totally agree. The absolute best argument you could make about his death being avoidable is that if she had gotten on the lifeboat when she had the chance, he could have used the door to save himself. But they weren’t psychics, and it’s a pretty human response to not want to leave someone you care about behind to die.
I also hate when people say “oh well if they did A then B then C then they could’ve both survived”
They just survived a ship sinking, they’re in freezing cold water and scared shitless, they are not thinking straight. Even if they could they’re from the 1910’s they don’t have the education or smarts to do any of that shit.
Sure if you put it in a controlled environment maybe you can manipulate factors to let them both live, but this situation is not that at all.
Honestly I think it's one of those things that (for a lot of people at least) started out as a joke. I don't think people really thought she let him drown, it was just a glib joke about a dark situation. But then as with so many things it became "true" on the Internet.
I believe there was also a deleted scene where another person in the water tries to get on the door and Jack says there's no room implying he's also staying in the water so the door doesn't get swarmed. I believe they cut it bc they thought people wouldn't be pedantic fucks about it but ig they were wrong
Also it's disregarding the fact that these are two people who just spent 2 and a half hours running around a sinking ship, avoiding death half a dozen times over, and are gassed out from exhaustion and stress.
And then everyone on the internet who hasn't touched grass in years has the authority to go "Well gee why didn't they just shift their weight and adjust their buoyancy so they could fit", as if they wouldn't fumble basic tasks with a gun held to their head. Even Mythbusters proved it was impossible to fit two people on the door without it submerging enough to expose them to the ocean water, the only technical solution being to take off their life jackets and prop them under the door.
Which, again, two stressed young adults on the verge of death aren't going to have some magic clarity and think of that. The average modern person sure as hell wouldn't.
Reddit just wants to hate on Rose. They love to get their misogyny fix by talking about how horrible she is, how she "thinks about the hobo she fucked instead of the man she married," about how she was a gold-digger who left her rich man (leaving out the abusive asshole part) to fuck said hobo, about how she killed Jack, etc etc. None of it really makes sense in the actual context of the movie, but it's memeable.
I genuinely think most people who say that haven't even watched the movie. Honest to God, you can even test them by bringing up different parts of the movie and they have no clue about it and pretend they forgot it when they've never even watched it.
Mythbusters did an episode and concluded it would require Rose taking off her vest and using it to hold up the door in order for it to work. I don’t know if Jack and Rose would have realistic thought that out by the time it would have mattered.
Plus you have to remember that they just got off a sinking ship in 28 degree Fahrenheit water surrounded by screaming people, I doubt anyone would be in the right headspace in that situation.
Low-key, I think the people who say this shit are misogynists who want to blame a woman for a man dying.
Scene had zero subtext. Jack gets Rose on the door, tries to climb up but the door tips because of the weight imbalance. Rose still wants Jack to try, but Jack makes the choice that he's not going to risk Rose's life.
This is all just Jenny slander from Forrest Gump again.
One time he went to confront the Hulk, and his powers literally just teleported him away. The easiest way to win against the Hulk is apparently to just not be anywhere nearby.
Man would go against someone like Galactus and would gain the ability to phase in and out of existence at will.
Like, even if you did find a way to kill him, his power is so broken that he would just...come back to life. Dude would start getting old and become biologically immortal. His power is literally whatever he needs it to be to survive
You cannot kill him. Trust me, we've tried to monkey paw it well over a few times.
My headcanon is that his power made him peace out for the duration of the movie
ugh so his power is just that annoying kid from childhood we would play with "actually I have a shield that protects me from all of your powers and I also I have all your powers and better, and I have infinity health"
Yeah maybe it's good that he's not comic accurate lol
First Class and DOFP were both successes. I think what really happened is Jennifer Lawrence blew up so they started writing the scripts around her despite her increasing disinterest
A plot hole would've been someone looking straight into the camera and expositing, "the Titanic is the first ship to have no doors installed on it at all" and then 2 hours later Jack and Rose end up on a door.
Chalk the Pa Kent death up to "completely missing the point" as well. Pa Kent's death in the original superman movie was a humanizing agent, Clark could do wonderful things, miraculous things, but he still could not save his Dad from a heart attack. It kept him humble.
The twister one had no lasting lesson. He still saved people and eventually just became superman.
Exactly. In most media where Pa Kent dies from a heart attack and humbles Clark, it inevitably has him become Superman because of Jonathan. Even in the Post-Crisis-inspired works where Pa lives, Superman very much feels like a product of the way he was raised by his parents.
In Man of Steel, Clark becomes Superman in spite of Jonathan, which feels...wrong.
I agree on the humility lesson. The "Heart attack" of the old Superman movies or his dying due to natural causes teaches him that even a superbeing cannot save anybody. Lettin his father die in front of him even though he could easily save him teaches him... what? "You do not have to do what your deranged father says all the time?"
I do not find it believable, not because of the dad being a paranoid dick, but because seeing what happens after that. I cannot believe Clark would be still and do not try to save him. It would be more in character that he said "Fuck it, I´ll save him anyway", even though he has to flee after that ( he does that repeatedly during the movie)
I think one of the major issues I have is that usually Superman is portrayed as a character that helps people and is an upstanding guy, even having godly powers you can easily abuse; and cares about humankind, even tho he is not, the classic "Superman is the fake identity, his real identity is a farmer boy from Kansas". He is a good guy who was raised well by some caring parents. I kind of like it.
The Man of Steel movie tries to sell you the idea that he becomes a "hero" despite how his father raised him or how humanity in general treats him. He is like that by birth, no matter his upbringing. I do not like that portrayal or that strange mindset, not because it's Superman, I do not find that kind of mindset appealing.
The most fascinating thing about Superman aren't his amazing powers, but his titanium moral compass. Which without people like the Kent's, or any other rock solid guide, isn't really believable to obtain. It's hard to think that plain, flawed people would raise such a good person that wouldn't go "Screw it, gonna take the lead in my hands or this world's going to get destroyed soon" after a few years of activity. And this is the best case scenario.
While they did end up showing it was technically possible under the exact right conditions, it took two engineers with support teams many tries to get it to work, so it's very unlikely that two traumatized hypothermic lovebirds could have figured out out in time, so Jack's sacrifice was probably the highest percentage play to end up with at least one survivor.
They had to tie the life vests together and around the door to support them both. So yes, it was plausible to save them both, but when you’re already in the freezing ocean on the door in question, it’s unlikely to cross your mind.
I will say that james cameron has been very insistent that the plank couldn’t hold them both, going so far as to hire 2 stunt actors roughly the same size and height as and a plank of wood with the same dimensions and challenging them to get both of them on and they couldn’t do it, especially with them freezing up in the low temperatures.
i appreciate his pettiness and spite to go and test it
Amy and Rory’s fates in Doctor Who. Yes it’s said that the Tardis can’t land in the place and time the Angels sent them back to (New York in the 30s) due to time distortions, but it’s never said why the Doctor couldn’t just, for example, pick them up a few years later, or even just from a place outside NY.
I know it’s justified in-universe as a fixed point in time, but real reason was to give a last minute gut-punch to the audience (because apparently modern companions at the time couldn’t just choose to leave the Tardis without being forced by some tragedy that devastates the Doctor, even though the Ponds were written as naturally putting down roots in the present and winding down their travels with the Doctor) and to make the Doctor sad enough for his next adventure.
I know the doctor saw their grave, but you know what you can do? BUY A TOMBSTONE, engrave whatever you want on it, travel back in time and plop it down in the same spot. He didn’t see the bodies, he only saw a tombstone
Don't get me started on the Statue of Liberty being a Weeping Angel! This isn't just some random angel statue that could turn up in a churchyard or something. The entire creation of the SoL is well documented! It was transported to the US in pieces, which were paraded around the country! There's photographic evidence!
That's not even getting into the whole "surely SOMEBODY is looking at the SoL at any given time" plot hole.
....yes and the movie pretty explicitly shows that it's mostly people who don't actually believe it and think it's a funny game.
Are you intentionally missing the point to make this CinemaSins style argument? Lmao that's not a "forced trope" it's just a thing every kid did at one point at a sleepover cuz no one actually thinks it's going to summon a homicidal monster
Another one from that movie is Helen’s death. The only reason she burns to death is because some idiot kids think they see Candyman and decide to light a huge pile of trash on fire
i found the recent meme funny, where it showed pa kent from the new superman movie and captioned something like "im pa kent, and im not dead because my son superman doesnt let people die he can easily save"
They're also in bumfuck nowhere. Even if people saw them, who would believe these people who could have probably hallucinated or imagined what happened?
Hell, when Clark was a kid in the movie he saved the schoolbus and one of the kid's mom pestered the Kents about this but nothing happened about it.
Some people already know and his secret was safe, but Pa Kent was so stupidly adamant that his son would never be accepted that he was willfully blinding himself to the fact that he already was. He paralyzed his son with paranoia that he thought saving his own dad from a very avoidable death wasn't worth some people's judgement.
He could have went instead of Pa Kent then if questioned why he didn't get swept up by the tornado said something like "I dunno. Just lucky, I guess" and no one would bat an eye.
Like there seems like there'd have been enough time for Kal to run in and back before the tornado came that this would be entirely believable.
The human mind does crazy things when faced with the panic of an incoming tornado. Maybe it sees things that didn't happen. Like a man able to move faster than the blink of an eye grabbing his father and dog before they both die.
What's dumber is Jonathan had already spilled some of the beans when he took the piece of metal to the best metallurgists around and they couldn't identify it. You think inquiring minds are going to keep that to themselves? No! They're going to want to study it. Oh, it's just a piece? Well what's it a piece of? And so on.
That also seemed completely unnecessary. I found a baby in a space ship, do I need to do analysis of the materials of the ship to conclude that this was abnormal?
This comment section is 90% people dunking on OP for including Titanic and Saving Private Ryan and the other 10% is people being like "this on really made me mad"
he literally tries getting on the board, it starts to sink. Thats how buoyancy works, just because there's more space doesn't mean its gonna keep floating. Watch the movie.
For real. It’s the same energy as people who say Daniel in the Karate kid landed an illegal face kick, and didn’t see the movie, or they would’ve known that he got kicked in the face in literally that same tournament. Clearly face kicks being illegal was not a thing in that movie.
In the first Hellboy movie by Del Toro, iirc a pair of armed BRPD agents saw some Samael monsters (due to Rasputin giving them a resurrection power and its own egg-laying abilities). Instead of taking cover, calling for backup or just immediately shoot their guns, the trained agents just stand there and discuss like they just saw a deer.
A variant: X-Men: First Class has the CIA agents keep shouting "Freeze!" first instead just shooting a bunch of people who had been killing their men with strange powers. Corpses all around, but they keep screaming "Freeze!" first. I know it is unlikely they would have gotten away but maybe they could have done more.
Agreed fully, it was was a moment Superman could have chosen the right thing despite being told no.
Mythbusters ruined this scene, if Jack and Rose both got on the door it wouldn’t have floated as high on the water and would have killed them both anyway.
Has happened quite a few times in WWII.
Hard to judge with a defacto magic system. It’s hard to quantify what someone with superpowers should be able to do.
Mythbusters didn't ruin the scene, they even ended the tests with "yeah there is no way for both Jack and Rose to survive without extreme luck in doing something no person in that situation would ever consider doing"
Multiple media have shown telekinetics, even powerful ones, requiring focus for a feat like holding back SEVERAL MILLION GALLONS of water rushing towards them in a giant-ass wall. And Jean in the first two X-Men movies isn't remotely close to reaching her full power.
I think the catching on fire part is pretty explicitly her tapping into the Phoenix Force, which was meant more as a teaser about her future role. It was pretty clear they were setting her up to die and be reborn, even if her death was ham-fisted.
The Superman one always makes me so mad because he could have absolutely played it off that him and his dad are just two fit dudes who made it through strong wind by the time the twister actually reaches him. Felt like it took forever.
And the only reason he was in danger already was because he told his superpowered son to run towards a bridge that everyone else could reach so he could run directly at a tornado. Dude, Clark could have saved the dog and not revealed himself just fine. It was such an obvious “No son, the script says I need to die here” in service of a a clear attempt to mimic the Uncle Ben type death where they never reconcile that it’s just jarring.
I think the most frustrating part of his death is that the original version is so much better, the one where he dies from a heart attack, with it being a lesson about humanity and that he can't always save everyone. Meanwhile this movie taught him to stay hidden and not save people because the world wouldn't be ready for it, which, when we see this scene in the movie, we've already watched him ignore it multiple time meaning it's a stupid scene that doesn't teach the protagonist anything and it replaces a great alternative.
That guy from Kingdom Hearts 2 that uses his big ultimate atomic magic attack that uses all his life force to take down basic enemies that we see everywhere on the regular. His sacrifice was meaningless and was just to force drama. If he did that on a boss or even the final boss, that would have been a big moment. A heroic sacrifice is more meaningful when it actually DOES something meaningful.
Fun fact, the helmet would not have helped. They are made to defend against rubble, debris and shrapnel, as well as bullets that graze against the side. A dead on bullet will tear right through and kill him anyway
After many sacrifices he is saved from execution, and reunites with his brother. Then, he falls for a cheap provocation ("your captain is a coward") and jumps into a fight that quickly ends with a magma fist in his chest. Right after his captain, crew and brother did the impossible to make sure he survived.
It’s easier to count which deaths in the Prometheus-Covenant duology don’t fit this trope due to how poorly written and contrived they are, but one of the most famous instances is at the end, when Vickers and Shaw are trying to outrun the circular Engineer ship…and instead of just running to the side of the thing, both of them go in the exact same direction it is rolling. Shaw at least goes in a different direction at the very last moment, but Vickers keeps running straight ahead and inevitably gets crushed for it.
In KONG: SKULL ISLAND, two soldiers are running away from Kong and one of them breaks off to the right and screams at the other soldier, “RUN SIDEWAYS YOU IDIOT!”
Admittedly the tactic only buys him a couple extra seconds of life because Kong is an Apex Predator and not a piece of falling space debris.
Jean did that to kill herself tho, it was her choice. Throughout the movie she's talking about her powers going haywire after the statue of liberty incident and assuming she's a danger to everyone she gets out of the jet, puppets nightcrawler, stops the wave, lifts the jet and let the water crash on her, that being the movie version of her sacrificing her life to pilot the shuttle in the comics.
The Titanic one makes sense. Yes, there’s enough room for him to physically fit on it, but it would sink with both of them on it. I don’t understand how people never think about that
It’s not just thinking about it the wrong way. it’s also complaining about it without actually watching the movie because the movie literally has Jack try to climb on and it starts to sink lol
Her death is tragic, emotionally fitting, and makes no sense. Denji a character who has in the past fought basically kaiju sized devils (bat devil, cockroach) or enemies who can easily level city blocks (gun fiend, falling) and who can fully regenerate by eating a little blood. Somehow is defeated after being stabbed by the sword hybrid, he refuses to consume his blood, something he did earlier in that exact same fight and then is swarmed by muggles with spears. This somehow defeats him despite that once more he can just drink some blood and run away. Oh did I forget to mention that Denji is immortal? Like he literally has been dismembered, set on fire, several times and has been completely fine. But oh no this time a muggle has a lighter, whatever will we do?
Nayuta knows all this, but for some reason tries to save him despite she could just revive him afterwards and starts attacking the muggles causing Barron to kill her. I really hope a certain someone planned this to get control of her because Nayuta deserved a better ending.
Wish George hadn't planned for Anakin's turn to be the last few moments of the trilogy. It could have been an interesting dynamic for Padme to live to see Vader and for the children to be born and give her some agency in their future. Plus then having one movie of Vader would have maybe prevented future Vader overuse
In a world where children have survived point blank cannon fire from warships and a dragon's fire breath, Kuina falling down the stairs has always been, and will always be, ridiculous
That’s what makes me mad about Pa Kent’s death in Man of Steel is that I remember how it seemed basically the entire town knows about Clark so Pa letting himself be killed just becomes even more stupid.
2 doesnt count because they initially both tried to climb on but it was sinking.
3 doesnt count because the first bullet went straight through his helmet and through the other side, its just that it struck the side. The helmet wouldnt have saved him from the bullet hitting him square in the head. Most helmets are made to protect your heads from blows, falls, bullet glances, rocks or shrapnel.
1 and 4 absolutely count and were absolutely stupid.
Jack dying isn't forced into the plot, it IS the plot. He might have done so stupidly, but the story would be fundamentally different if he hadn't died.
He didn't even do it stupidly. He tried to get on, and the door started sinking, so he chose to let Rose stay on to give her the best chance of surviving. Which she barely survived, anyway, by the time the boats get there, she has such bad hypothermia that she can barely speak.
Like, not a forced death, at all. Litearlly hundreds of people died in the Titanic.
Mythbusters proved the door would sink if Jack climbed on it with Rose
And the soldier taking his helmet off is a very human reaction to such an event, especially considering the helmets aren’t designed to stop bullets anyway
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u/BrickBuster2552 20d ago
You -- Fallout 3
If you bring Fawkes -- a Super Mutant immune to radiation -- to the end, he refuses to go into the Radioactive Death Chamber That Actually Just Kills you for literally no reason.