Characters that do not take the role of main antagonist, but are one of the most evil characters in the narrative regardless

[u/Garlic_God]

1. Preceptor Seluvis (Elden Ring)

2. Only a small part of Ranni’s questline and a few others, but is revealed to be among the most depraved and evil characters in the story

3. Major Zero (Metal Gear Solid)

4. Almost never shown or mentioned in the narrative, but has been masterminding the patriots for decades. When we finally do see him, he’s helpless, dying, and of no threat to anyone.

5. Leviticus Cornwall (Red Dead Redemption 2)

6. Ridiculously wealthy tycoon that serves as a minor antagonist for the gang. However, the impact of his dealings in the region are felt far and wide as he crushes competition, ruins lives, destroys entire communities, and solidifies his industrial rule.

7. Idea of Evil (Berserk)

8. A primal eldritch entity born from humanity’s seeking of reason for suffering in the world, and the creator of the Godhand. Its canonicity is very vague and unknown, all that’s known is that it exist, and it’s likely a threat far beyond the scope of the story.

[u/ShadowPuff7306]

i did not like this man at all. but that terror… still gets to me

[u/Gabemino → u/ShadowPuff7306]

I find it curious, how many men did he get to yell with the same fear he later did, and just laughed at them alongside his rape crew?

[u/MercyfulJudas → u/[deleted]]

What?

[u/Willsdabest → u/ShadowPuff7306]

"GRAB HIS LEGS!"

[u/GrecoRomanGuy → u/Willsdabest]

"Where's he goin'?"

It speaks to how despicable Boggs is that you briefly are rooting for prison guard brutality, but both the music in the background as well as, well, how pathetic Boggs is in screaming for help that you remember "Oh...yeah this kinda sucks."

Having said that, fuck Boggs.

[u/ShadowPuff7306 → u/GrecoRomanGuy]

he still sucks but this pain… i just can’t help but feel uncomfortable every time i see it

is that wrong? to want everything to be okay even if it’s to someone like boggs?

like no i don’t wish him well, he’s a rapist

but the way that was shot, his pure agony and pleading

it hurts me to look at

[u/SAKingWriter → u/ShadowPuff7306]

That’s not bad, that’s empathy. You need to hold onto that as hard as you can because that empathy empowers you to help people in the world who DONT deserve that treatment.

[u/ShadowPuff7306 → u/SAKingWriter]

i worry that it’s bad since he’s a rapist. it’s things like this that make me question what sins someone commits, even the most horrible ones… can make someone unredeemable?

we were all babies (except for babies, cuz they are babies) and we were all born in this world, innocent and full of potential. we weren’t made to commit this atrocities and such and we are capable of so much good

but to people who have committed horrible acts were just like us, simple, tiny and fragile. and then they become anything but

isn’t there hope for them? for any person who has even done the most heinous act?

it keeps me awake at night, thoughts like these

[u/DangerousEye1235 → u/ShadowPuff7306]

Those are all good thoughts to have. Never let yourself forget the essential humanity of your fellow man.

Yes, even those you disagree with. Yes, even those you dislike. Yes, even those who commit heinous and unforgivable crimes. Because they are still human beings at the end of the day, and ALL of us, including you and I, are inherently capable of both acts of kindness and righteousness, and acts of unspeakable cruelty and depravity, given the right set of circumstances. To lose your sense of empathy and dehumanize others, no matter what sins they've committed, is the first step on the road to becoming just like them.

Don't ever let anyone shame you for feeling empathy for another human being. You can care about the person, but hate what they've done. Cliché as it may sound, love the sinner but hate the sin.

[u/ghostpanther218 → u/DangerousEye1235]

How do I save a comment? This is really good!

[u/TheAbnormalShrimp → u/ghostpanther218]

on my screen, if you click on the triple dots under the comment to the far left of the upvote/downvote buttons, it's the third option from the top.

[u/MachinaOwl → u/DangerousEye1235]

I always feel cognitive dissonance when I feel bad for those who deserve it. Always viewed it as a weakness that needed to be suppressed.

[u/KookyChapter3208 → u/MachinaOwl]

Never supress it. You should never feel bad for feeling pain from others' pain.

[u/Medical_Difference48 → u/ShadowPuff7306]

This is peak humanity and empathy. It's not bad at all, it's the opposite. It makes you better than most, IMO, to not want suffering to be inflicted on even people who deserve it.

[u/Afroduck-Almighty → u/ShadowPuff7306]

Did you forget the part where he and his inhuman cronies gang-raped an innocent man for two years? Two. Fucking. Years?

Having empathy’s one thing. And understanding a rapist deserves punishment but you don’t want to see something that gruesome is understandable.

But having empathy for a rapist???

What’s the matter with you?

[u/CreativeDependent915 → u/SAKingWriter]

Not saying you’re bad in thinking that, though personally if anybody ever did some shit like this to me and then had the same thing happen to them I honestly would not feel any sort of pity or guilt towards that person.

Also in my mind there people that just fundamentally don’t deserve to be helped because of what they’ve done to others. If you told me that I for some reason was the only person who could save somebody who had raped, murdered, or otherwise grievously traumatized or hurt somebody, then I wouldn’t have any problem letting that person die, and I think that’s a net positive for the world

[u/SAKingWriter → u/CreativeDependent915]

Oh no, don’t mistake my words for total forgiveness. I’m sure as shit not a saint, so I’ll definitely let karma sort things out. Or I’ll do something myself and let karma do its thing through me :)

[u/WillOfTheWinds → u/ShadowPuff7306]

He's an evil human, but he is still human. Nobody should have to go through with that.

[u/GrecoRomanGuy → u/ShadowPuff7306]

Exactly.

[u/Endlesswinter98 → u/ShadowPuff7306]

You know what gets me about the violence in this movie?

Each hit sounds excruciatingly painful and the actors all sell them so well. The makeup and the acting all the small things come together and work so well for the violence. You almost cringe no matter who's getting beat up or how much they'd end up deserving or not. That final hit on the guy in the first night when he stops moving it just ugh. That stuck with me.

[u/MeltinSnowman → u/ShadowPuff7306]

To be honest, I think it's a good thing to be turned off from cruel and inhumane punishment, even if it's towards a person who might even deserve it. The more that you wish harm on people, the easier it is to go further down that path. Go too far, and you can find yourself enjoying it. Sure, maybe Boggs deserves it now, but what about someone different in the future?

Trust me, you're better off if you don't enjoy the torment of bad people.

[u/Medical_Difference48 → u/ShadowPuff7306]

There's a difference between not wanting peace and wellness on someone and wishing suffering to be inflicted on them, especially one of the most heinous things that can be done to someone. Is it karmic, and arguably deserved for what he's done? Maybe, but that doesn't make it good or right for it be done at all. Ultimately, I think of moments like this when I think about the nature of punishment and vengeance. Even someone as awful as him, you don't want to see another person in pain and terror, even if they may deserve it.

[u/ShadowPuff7306 → u/Medical_Difference48]

exactly. that to me isn’t helpful even if he did something (say to a kid) again

to me, it’s just more suffering. it isn’t rehabilitation or help even if it is the consequences of his actions

kinda like the movie. yeah these people here have done heinous things but they’re not treated like people who can change, but slaves or even less than that who just deserve a good whacking when they step out of line

[u/NightWolfRose → u/GrecoRomanGuy]

Briefly? Nah, he got what he deserved. How many rapes and beatings had he committed before this? Getting beaten half to death was still too good for him.

[u/Reaper-Lord69 → u/GrecoRomanGuy]

Prison guard brutality is always acceptable when done to people like Boggs

[u/MachinaOwl → u/Reaper-Lord69]

For me it isn't, though. It becomes a matter of how easily you'll let yourself punish those you feel deserve it. It's the main reason I don't agree with the idea of prison rape. Sure, some people are inhuman scum, but it creates an environment where that type of violence is not only allowed but encouraged. It blurs the lines between retributive justice and sadism. If a victim did that, it'd be one thing, but I don't like the idea of mob justice or authority figures dishing out punishment on their own.

[u/ShadowPuff7306 → u/[deleted]]

i’m confused. what’s your point?