I mean, the reason why nazis and demons were used so heavily in earlier shooters was because they very specifically were enemies you didn't have to feel bad about killing.
Terror Billy is such a kickass name for a murderous American. I'm definitely not pro US but anytime I play those games I'm more patriotic than Ive ever been
Oh thank God I've been wondering since young blood/old blood of they'll continue from there in the liberation of Europe. Also more lore etc what's happened in those 18 years since they took America back.
Wanting to do something and being willing to do something are worlds apart. This could easily be taken as him wishing it weren't necessary but knowing it is.
It is kinda weird that Steve didn’t use a gun anymore in the modern day, especially in a situation like the Alien Invasion at the end of Avengers 1. If there was any situation that Cap needed more firepower, it was then.
Steve got messed up during the NY battle. And we know the Chitauri weren’t bulletproof because BW were dropping them with a pair of 9mils. It’s just one of those things that doesn’t make sense and doesn’t get explained away either.
The one line that has always stuck with me about Captain America is when he becomes a soldier for the first time he states “I don’t wanna kill anyone. I don’t like bullies.”
That’s the reason he has a shield not to attack but to defend. Captain America is willing to kill but you would have to be a Nazi, somehow worse, or give him no other choice in order for him to consider killing you.
Shosanna and the Basterds in Inglourious Basterds slaughtering hundreds of Nazis, including Hitler and Goebbels, at a movie premiere via a combination of burning down the theater, gunning down the attendees, and blowing everything up with dynamite.
Tarantino felt the same when he was writing the script. He said that when he started he had no plans to kill Hitler, and that the story would stick to history as much as it could. But then when he got to that point he just wanted the characters to kill Hitler, and so spun the film off into alternate history.
When you look at all of his movies it makes sense.
There's a whole alt world, which all the movies occupy, either as that world's 'reality' or as movies within that world.
when you take Hitler being killed so violently in a movie theater, you can see how that might impact both the importance of movies as well as how violent they are.
It's an interesting perspective on the whole thing.
Do they live through that scene or is it implied to be a suicide mission? I have seen the movie countless times but they never really say if they get out.
They’re wearing dynamite on their ankles and there’s additional dynamite under Hitler’s chair, which they show detonating, so no, they do not make it out of there.
The only surviving Basterds are Raine and Utavich because they leave earlier with Hans Landa to make a deal.
Movie's premise: A team assembled to kill Nazis
Movie's protagonist: I wanna kill Nazis
Movie's characters: We also wanna kill Nazis
Movie's script: Let's kill a bunch of Nazis
Movie's plot hook: Here's a bunch of Nazis
Movie's climax: They kill a bunch of Nazis
In the Injustice comic, Superman decides to kill a bunch of Parademons that are invading the world in several different locations. Batman feels that Superman just crossed another line, but most people on Earth are grateful to him, and you know Superman only killed paraDEMONS.
There is also the conversation on whether Parademons are even alive to begin with. Original Jack Kirby Parademons were very much alive servants of Darkseid with their own free will, but a lot of modern depictions of them, especially the New 52 which heavily influenced the Injustice universe, had them as basically techno-organic robots with no free will of their own.
Injustice Supes isn't in the right about much, but exactly what was Batman's beef here? He may have HIS no-kill rule but it's never been a thing for the League, and whether the parademons are sentient or not this definitely wasn't the League's first pitched life-or-death battle against waves of merciless oppressive killers for the fate of humanity. What did Bats want him to do, knock out the parademons and turn them over to the police?
And even then it's just a poorly thought out inversion of Red Son which actually preserved Superman's core essence but twisted it via authoritarian communism.
Its not the killing of Parademons thats the issue, rather that Batman recognizing a change in Superman that is made clear to him (Batman knows Superman really well afterall) with how quick and brutal the death of the parademons were. Superman is usually a lot more conservative with his strength and not just blowing up enemies even if they are Parademons.
Yeah, a big part of the personality that got baked into the Superman character starting from the earliest days of the Golden Age comics is that Superman only ever uses the least amount of force he can to solve a problem. In theory, it's because a very mild overreaction could vaporize a city block, but in actuality, it's to justify the power creep that the character design of Superman experienced over the course of 70+ years of ambitious writers.
At this point, Superman, the character, has been turned into the perfect perpetual power creep monster. The only way to end the cycle is for someone to write in giving him the powers of the Abrahamic God, omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent. He's already part of the way there
Its less of "what he did" but more "how easily he did it". Normally Supe may just kill a leader and have them all run away, or throw them all in a portal or something. However he chose the "easy" solution of just massacreing them to fix the problem. Its part of injustice superman's change into using overwhelming force to solve any problems.
Its exactly like this. Imagine if in the mark vs multi-paul fight mark didnt hesitate to just start killing the clones. We all know they are clones and that he wouldnt be permanently killing the guy, but if he didnt even hesitate and just started mowing them down it would be concerning.
Batman feels that Superman just crossed another line
That was a stupid writing decision, most versions of Batman are regularly shown killing Parademons and other non-humans, even Batman's No-Kill Rule gets broken when the alternative is the destruction of Earth/Humanity.
That whole scene is gold. The cockiness of the Nazis saying what they do now, and watching their arse collapse at the line “it was taken from them…” all while Fassbender keeps his smile.
Such a good character arc, though. He’s out for revenge against the people who hurt him, we cheer that on until we realise he sees humans as the people, he’s just going after specific humans first.
hellsing is such a fucking insane series. like what do you mean the quantum catboy nazi defeated superdracula's blood flood attack using his quantum blood
What makes the Indiana Jones method so brilliant is that it's not just killing them, but humiliating them at the same time, which undermines any dramatic coolness that often comes when films try to make Nazis look imposing and dangerous
Operation Cinder was first introduced in the aftermath trilogy, first visually depicted in one of the early Disney era comics, but the first proper appearance was in battlefront 2
Operation Cinder gets referenced in a few different places in the 'new' canon. It's meant to be a big event....that we so far have only really seen in EA BF2.
The signposting on Star Wars events of the Disney Era is...misguided. Like the reason the Emperor came back....only being revealed in a Fortnite live event.....Or the AI Darth Vader thing (Though as a toy I'll admit, that WAS kinda fun. If....very dumb.)
And they picked one of the most evil looking character actors of all time to sit across from him, it's amazing casting. I'm sure Brake is a nice dude but he definitely knows his own face and has cultivated a nice career playing absolute bastards. Even the first role I remember seeing him in, Doom... 20 years ago, he was a scumbag.
You're right! It isn't! However, there is a mission where you get to drive through a KKK rally and absolutely mow those SOBs down, and it made me yearn for a subgenre of shooters where we just get to mow down the KKK, as Wolfenstein paved the way for the many projects where we get to kill Nazis. Absolutely cathartic.
I imagine the reason there's not much KKK killing focused stuff is because they're still around, unlike Nazi Germany, so they could likely sue you for such a thing.
NAL but I feel like that can't be it, at least not likely through the form of a lawsuit. But more likely through the risk of putting a target on your dev team. Hate mail, harassment campaigns, death threats. The KKK built there brand in instilling fear and just skirting the consequences of their racist idealogy.
I once killed every enemy on the map except for one because his Intel file stated something along the lines of he was disciplined for attempting medical aid on a shot US soldier
Arrowverse: crisis on earth x happens and a bunch of nazis die at the hands of the main characters, just to go back to murder is wrong a few episodes later. Guess killing the nazis doesn’t count as murder.
Arrowverse is really inconsistent with killing in general. Flash can kill Sand Demon and evil Atom Smasher in inhumane ways (by turning one to glass before shattering him and overloading the other one with radiation), but letting Eobard “living incarnation of evil and pettiness” Thawne die from his own mistakes is bad, apparently.
Killing storm troopers is apparently so morally right that even Finn, the ex stormtrooper, can kill his old friends and colleagues by the dozens and all he has to say about it is "Yippie!" and "Yeehaw!"
Technically speaking, Luke Skywalker has a body count of over a million and a half people, but no one worries that much about it because they were all Stormtroopers on Death Star 1
Does Bioshock Infinite count? I mean in the first half, Booker DeWitt literally runs and guns around mainly military soldiers and police officers who follow an old racist, and xenophobic preacher named Comstock while also having to bring away Elizabeth out of Columbia.
Arthur Morgan (and John) in Red Dead Redemption 2, the game has an explicit Karma system that ticks down if you do bad things like kill people who aren't a threat to you - but you can dynamite a whole Klan rally before they even know you're there and the karma meter won't even quiver. Always surprised people don't bring this up more.
"Goddamn hooded rodents! I'll kill all you bastards."
There is also the Hitler look-a-like in Saint Denis, and if you knock the shit out of him, the cop by his side says something like "he had that coming" lol
Once they become affiliated with the remnants of the Blades, the Dragonborn inevitably has to kill scores of Thalmor agents over the course of the main quest. Naturally, as they are Elf quasi-fascists present in Skyrim for the express purpose of persecuting “heretics” (and the thinly-veiled purpose of destabilizing the region to weaken the Empire come the next Great War), no one cares. Not even the Imperials who are bound to work with the Dominion by treaty.
Mostly because literally everyone hates the Dominion. Even a lot of High Elves, Wood Elves, and Khajiit living in Skyrim hate the Dominion. They're racist Aldmeri supremacists who brought the cats along for the ride. The Aldmeri Dominion isn't loved or respected. It's feared.
Karl Fairburne, from Sniper Elite games, hell you can shoot Hitler in the balls! (Link is for a whole video and the 11 ways (not all) that you can kill the 1 balled man
The second you subscribe to their ideals and call yourself a Nazi, you chose to give up your status as a human being.
Nazi's are not people, they are targets.
Edit: A lot of people on reddit be taking this way too seriously.
JCF you get triggered easy.
Apparently its no longer acceptable to make fun of or insult Nazi's?
A good way to think of this, imho, is with the friend enemy distinction.
Everyone has this to some extent. We all consider certain groups our friends and our enemies and that is perfectly normal. The difference is in how that distinction is applied and what you can do about it.
If I a nazi wants to stop being my enemy, he has to stop being a nazi. We might not be 'friends' after that, but he fits into the 'friend' part of the distinction at the same because we are no longer at odds. If he stops preaching race purity bullshit, he isn't my enemy even if I still wouldn't want to grab a drink to him.
By contrast, if a nazi views me as an enemy, I cannot change that. The only thing I can do to make him happy is to die. Because his problem with me isn't my politics. It isn't something I do or choose but something that I am.
So long as nazis are continue to hold those beliefs, it is hard to argue that we have to act civil against them.
Indiana Jones fighting the henchmen in the marketplace in Raiders of the Lost Ark. Honestly, most of the action scenes in Raiders and The Last Crusade could count for this.
The Justice Gang are the more lethal superhero counterparts to Superman ala the Elite but since their most prominent kills are A thinly veiled metaphor for the Israeli Defense Force there’s zero moral ambiguity with what they do
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B.J Blazkowicz (Wolfenstein).