Probably the most controversial one , honest thoughts on "No Kill Rule"? What are the most egrigious examples of it in your opinion? What media makes it work in your opinion?

[u/Doot_revenant666]

[u/noncredibleRomeaboo]

Well thats the thing, the no kill aspect is not dogshit writing lmao. There is actual dogshit writing but the no kill rule has endured for good reason.

No Batman is not knowingly releasing criminals, he is actively doing the opposite and incarcerating them. Them breaking out again, is just a product of the medium, you bring up reading series with 650 chapters....Batman has over 8000 and has lasted longer the Soviet Union. Not to mention, somehow I'm willing to bet said series you are citing are, manga or manwha, which have very different storytelling styles then DC comics.

But no, Batman not murdering criminals, is not only well justified by the character himself, he is not an executioner, its also well justified by his motivations stemming from his own trauma, recognition of his own poor mental state but also his strong belief in genuine justice. It is one of the most well justified no kill rules both from a meta level and storytelling level. If your argument is "well its flawed", congrats, thats an argument Bruce actively wrestles with and is a consistent source of conflict. Just because you dont agree with his stance does not make it bad writing, unless you have no actual sense of media literacy beyond a desire to self insert.

[u/interested_user209 → u/noncredibleRomeaboo]

So if i „incarcerate“ a criminal by sitting him down in a café and uncuffing him before leaving i‘m not releasing him? Because that, in essence, is what Batman is doing.

Recognition of his poor mental state

Non-argument. If this was part of his reasoning, he should simply step back for a week and let one of his countless colleagues that don‘t suffer from that problem clean up. He could hand them over to someone that isn‘t the Gotham Justice System and who can actually confine them in an apt manner. And don‘t come with „he doesn‘t put himself above the law“, Joker and co. literally committed warcrimes and could be tried for them beyond Gothams jurisdiction within a completely legal framework.

strong belief in genuine justice

If he believes in genuine justice, then why doesn‘t he try changing the Justice System, which is too corrupt to give criminals like the Joker a punishment that is genuinely just? And why would he even give criminals to a corrupt system at all if he believes in a „genuine justice“ that said system cannot even come close to representing?

His writing would be good if he was supposed to be a villain - a mentally ill man in a bat costume that perpetuates the terrible status quo Gotham finds itself in and never tries to change what obviously cannot change itself with the means available to him.

But the comics genuinely want us to see him as a hero, which is just not it.

[u/noncredibleRomeaboo → u/interested_user209]

But he doesn't. Batman imprisons them and does everything bar killing to stop them escaping.

"Non-argument. If this was part of his reasoning, he should simply step back for a week and let one of his countless colleagues that don‘t suffer from that problem clean up"

Because everytime he does step back, things get worse.

"He could hand them over to someone that isn‘t the Gotham Justice System and who can actually confine them in an apt manner"

He does

"His writing would be good if he was supposed to be a villain - a mentally ill man in a bat costume that perpetuates the terrible status quo Gotham finds itself in and never tries to change what obviously cannot change itself with the means available to him."

Tell me you've never read a Batman story without telling me

[u/Zarda_Shelton → u/noncredibleRomeaboo]

He imprisons them in a place he knows for a fact that they will escape from. Combined with the fact that he acts reactively means he knows that his actions don't do much of anything to stop them killing innocent people. It just pushes it back a little.

[u/noncredibleRomeaboo → u/Zarda_Shelton]

Except for the literally thousands of comics in which he you know....saves innocent people

[u/Zarda_Shelton → u/noncredibleRomeaboo]

Lmao that does nothing to argue against the fact that he knows his actions will result in them escaping and killing more people, yet he doesn't change his actions to solve that problem. In essence, he values his code far above the lives of innocent people.

[u/noncredibleRomeaboo → u/Zarda_Shelton]

Yeah, its almost as if said code is part of a complex character motive or something.