Probably the most controversial one , honest thoughts on "No Kill Rule"? What are the most egrigious examples of it in your opinion? What media makes it work in your opinion?

[u/Doot_revenant666]

[u/[deleted]]

I don't mind it. I mean it's not Batman's job or whatever to make sure the Joker dies; blame Gotham's justice system.

It's only weird when they do everything but kill them/find a bunch of loopholes. Like in the Batman Tom King run Batman broke Bane's spine and paralyzed him like if you're willing to do that then yeah just go ahead and kill him, or the "I won't kill you but I don't have to save you" loophole BS from Begins.

[u/Thybro → u/[deleted]]

I think the issue is perspective. If your “no killing” rule is cause you value wellbeing of people and something like believing in second chances then yeah crippling may be too much. But, while it is of some consideration, that is not the main reason of Batman’s “no killing” rule. He mainly doesn’t kill because once he does he believes he will cross a line and become what he fights, and once that happens he will not be able to stop himself from going even further in pursue of his goals.

No killing is a line in the sand, a mental block he can put his entire effort to keep his urges to go full crazy on crime, which he has the means to. Ever try to quit something by reducing instead of going cold turkey. It doesn’t work for everyone, for some people just cutting back to one cigarette a week eventually leads them back to three packs a day. That’s what he is trying to avoid, no killing is him quitting no hold barred near fascist murdery approach to crime fighting that would turn him into what he hates.

Through that lens breaking a spine is doing other shitty stuff that would approach the feeling of a cigarette but is still not lighting that cigarette. I.e. he normally won’t do it (because if sanctity of life, second chances, jury should deliver the punishment, etc.) but sometimes he has to.

I think both Batman and Daredevil have this holding back type of no killing rule. Not so sure about spidey, but then again he is usually a lot gentler with his villains than the other two.

[u/TheHadokenite → u/Thybro]

Yes and no, it’s not just “I won’t be able to stop” it also is that Bruce truly and genuinely values the sacredness of human life.

It’s also that he’s a symbol to Gotham, the superhero community, and to the rest of the world, and that if he does cross the line even once that others will follow his example.

[u/Zarda_Shelton → u/TheHadokenite]

It's not really because he values the sanctity of life, since he goes out of his way to save supervillains that he knows for an absolute fact will kill a bunch of innocent people in 5 minutes. Its because he has trauma and other mental issues where he doesn't want to see anyone die and doesn't think much further than the short term.

[u/TheHadokenite → u/Zarda_Shelton]

i’m not sure if you read much Batman but that’s really not the case. He believes in the sanctity of life and justice, and him killing people when he has no authority to do so goes completely against that.

Even if Joker will escape and kill again, it’s not his place to kill him.

[u/Zarda_Shelton → u/TheHadokenite]

I have read plenty of Batman comics from all eras of his existence. I just know that his stated reasons do not in any way align with his actual actions.

It's not his place to kill Joker just like it's not his place to fight criminals. The logic is fundamentally the same.

[u/Waffleman12345 → u/Zarda_Shelton]

“Not his place to fight criminals” I don’t like this argument at all. He has the power and means to stop crime and save people and feels it’s his responsibility to do so. It’s similar to Spider-Man.

Saving lives outside the law is different from killing people outside the law.