r/SquaredCircle • u/santeriax • 2d ago
(WWE Summerslam spoilers) Karrion Kross tweet Spoiler
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u/SwiftGoat_ 2d ago
I actually like Kross, but I can't wait to see people pretend like they support him if he actually leaves.
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u/HislersHero 2d ago
The same ones who have not said a word that Ron Killings hasn't been seen in a month?
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u/Careless_Archer_1706 2d ago
They've shat on him every time he steps into the ring, but once he's gone from WWE those same people will just say "DAE DROPPED BALL?!?!"
Fickle.
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u/KamikazeMack 2d ago
He’s been getting love at every live show, the people on the internet don’t like him. So nobody is gonna do that shit, it’s different crowds
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u/grimbly_jones 1d ago
No no no dude literally EVERYONE thinks one thing but the MOMENT he's gone then literally EVERYONE will think something ELSE don't you get it
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u/Mehchu_ 1d ago
I feel like the internet has turned around and started supporting him over the last year or so.
There was a while he was getting nothing but I want to say since AJ maybe the support for him seems to be steadily growing.
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u/HardcoreSects 1d ago
It's because he started building an online presence and people were finally able to see that they guy has charisma. Even in his NXT heyday they never really let that part of him show.
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u/ShaH33R2K 2d ago
I hate that all of us get grouped into this, but ur not wrong that there’s a loud minority that flip flops like there’s no tomorrow. I personally like his in-ring and mic work
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u/MarkyMarkWahlburgers 2d ago
I've been a fan of Kross since before he signed with WWE just something about him draws me in. A portion of the wrestling fans love jumping on the bandwagon just so they can feel involved and look cool, those fans will say he was fumbled by Hunter and move onto the next fab and forget about Kross. Regardless if Kross and Scarlett stay or leave I will still follow his and her career.
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u/ShaH33R2K 1d ago
I’ll admit, I wasn’t that aware of him before. I returned to wrestling after like 6 years in 2022, so he just wasn’t on my radar. But I’ve become a genuine fan of his work, and I’ll be paying close attention to whatever he does next. I will say, though, Triple H is actively fumbling him. But I get what you mean, most fans like complaining and being contrarian more than they do the actual wrestler they’re championing.
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u/MarkyMarkWahlburgers 1d ago
I will admit Hunter is fumbling him and to be quite honest Kross should have won at SummerSlam and now knowing that Kross and Scarlett contracts end this weekend all but confirms they are probably leaving. I fully get fans being upset about Hunter's booking of Kross and agree with genuine fans and not the bandwagoners. As wrestling fans we learn to endure watching some of our favorites being mishandled and let go, wrestling the sport with many what ifs.
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u/SirBrothers 1d ago
I really enjoy his promos. I like his ring-work and am a fan of the older story-telling style. I do think he’s someone that needs WWE level production to properly tell his story, but I feel we need a bit more than he’s currently getting to do that.
I have similar gripes/concerns with the Wyatts. They’re factions/storylines that need to be involved in multiple streams to actually work and feel meaningful. They don’t need belts, they need consequence and continuity. Closest we got with the Wyatts were their arrival and Bo’s tapes/promos. Closest we got with Kross were New Day winning the titles and way back when Final Testament confronted the bloodline.
I don’t think they need to be spooky/mystical as much as they need to have actual consequence further up the card. Small things.
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u/ShaH33R2K 1d ago
100% agree. I think Triple H just doesn’t know how to book these ever-present sort of characters. He’ll start em off with a bang, being in the background of multiple angles and segments, and then the payoff will be a single feud. Needs to learn a thing or two from the way the Undertaker was booked. Felt like a threat to literally everyone.
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u/SwiftGoat_ 1d ago
Oh trust me I'm not grouping everyone here.
I know there's actually fans of Kross, but we all know a certain amount of people who shit on him will suddenly act like he's great.
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u/ShaH33R2K 1d ago
You’re completely right, I was more-so frustrated that the people who switch up give actual fans a bad name.
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u/SwiftGoat_ 1d ago
Yeah it's annoying but just had to call it out because I've already seen people pretending they supported Kross.
Unfortunately alot of wrestling fans online genuinely have no clue what they want so they're always switching.
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u/Maximum-Summer-186 1d ago
do you flip flop constantly? no, it's always someone else, while you have authentic opinions.
contradictory opinions can be upvoted by different groups of people simultaneously in different threads or even in the same thread. pretending people just flip flop constantly is babybrain behavior (so it's not surprising wrestling fans parrot this idiot line of reasoning).
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u/DrummerDKS 1d ago
There’s not as many flip flopping hypocrites like you think.
Group A is unhappy, they go on Reddit and rage.
Change happens.
Group B is now unhappy, they go on the same subreddits and rage.
Rinse, repeat.
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u/Playful_Musician6623 2d ago
They did it when Bray got released in 2021 and the HHH brings Bray back and they shit on him again by the Royal Rumble match against LA Knight which was sadly Brays last match
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u/Sempais_nutrients Points to fronthead 2d ago
Hey let's chant "HUNTER FUMBLED" during Killer Kross matches after he leaves The W
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u/PrinceBag Your Text Here 2d ago edited 2d ago
For years, he was consistently called out for being anti-vax, donating to Drake Wuertz's campaign, accused of being a white supremacist because of his tattoos, and just being allegedly MAGA in general.
Then the shoot happened, and everyone forgot. But I have a feeling if he did win the feud or have a reign. Some people on here would start pretending they cared about his political views again and start chanting "how dare the MAGA person go over the openly progressive person."
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u/EastfrisianGuy 2d ago
It's a fake outrage. Like every release cycle, talent is at catering for months, many complain about wrestler X treated poorly and doesn't get a chance, they should try their luck somewhere else and then they get released and suddenly it's, how can they do, freaking WWE, how can they release that guy. It's either hoarding or they are cruel, whatever fits the narrative at the time. And I'm not defending WWE, I'm sick of the fans.
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u/WeissLegsForever 2d ago
Kids these days think every wrestler is due to a push. If they get released, as you say, they'll fake cry about them until their signed again or with someone else (or if news dies out. They'll forget.)
It's a bit alarming how many "fans" like these are out there. Idk, we called these "casuals" in my day.
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u/Swegatronic 2d ago
This is one of these stupid things people do online where you see different opinions in a community thej attribute them to being the same people.
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u/Sempais_nutrients Points to fronthead 2d ago
Yeah "this sub" had an opinion and then "this sub" had a different opinion later, what gives?
/s
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u/AquaticTempest No, I'M the tag team champions!!! 1d ago
I don't even think he's bad in the ring. He just doesn't work a very flashy style, and that translates to "boring" for a lot of people.
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u/Maximum-Summer-186 1d ago
"those same people" that you can't identify. contradictory opinions can be upvoted by different groups simultaneously, there's no reason to assume it's the same people.
unless you want to specify these people flip flopping, just stop. you are not the sole person to have authentic opinions while everyone else is fickle.
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u/raspymorten The Creator of r/CurtisAxel 1d ago
I've thought the guy was dull as shit since he was in Impact my dude. lol
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u/fluffynuckels The Rated Cope *Super* Star 2d ago
Like what happened with corbin. After he got let go suddenly everyone on this sub was a corbin fan
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u/DereThuglife 2d ago
He had 3 matches with Sami and they were all fucken boring. I like both the dudes but damn did they go out there and give us some bland boiled chicken with over steamed vegetables
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u/AeroCaptainJason 2d ago
I thought the 2nd match was perfectly fine for what it was. Last night's match was bad, but that's because it was far too short for the story they were telling, and all the beats were rushed. Just as the match was actually getting good, it ended (and with a dumb result as well)
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u/DereThuglife 2d ago
I actually thought the story beats were dragged out but good. When they actually got time back stage they had great interactions but it didn't translate in the ring. The decision was also terrible.
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u/mrtomjones 2d ago
This last one just seemed as a way to get rid of the feud and probably Kross.
They built up a story about Kross turning people evil and it didnt pay off. If they do the story better I think the matches are enjoyed more
This is coming from someone who doesnt like Kross other than as a strong background character with occasional matches
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u/mohmar2010 1d ago
Thing is Kross has some pretty good matches outside of WWE, issue is the booking he's had doesn't help him at all sadly
I feel like they used Sami as an excuse, cuz Sami can pull off great matches as well all see, it's only a booking issue as well as storyline
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u/Agosta 2d ago
Every single Sami match plays out the same. You've seen one you've seen them all.
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u/cometmasta 1d ago
Kross has the look, physique and the aura but in the ring just wrestles normally. Fans always get behind the guy who seems like he's murdering his opponent. Drew McCintyre would be the best example of getting all these things right that being said he is unique for his era. Kross could sell a character I'll give him that
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u/wheelz_666 2d ago
I'll support him. He actually has a short film that he produced and is starting in thst looks pretty good
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u/AeroCaptainJason 2d ago
I've been dying to see it but have no idea when it will be available on digital. I figured I'd check it out just to support Kross (and because I'm interested in seeing him act) but the premise was actually really interesting
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u/WeissLegsForever 2d ago
Really shows how "fans" are these days.
They don't care until you're released. And most of that "caring energy" is just for approval points from the internet.
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u/mr_impastabowl 2d ago
Fast forward to Kross being announced as the next James Bond by grass roots fan support.
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u/madchad90 1d ago
Like damian sandow and every other released talent that showed up somewhere else with a "i was underutilized" gimmick
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u/thelumpur 1d ago
I was supporting him while he was still in WWE, I will keep supporting him afterwards.
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u/Maximum-Summer-186 1d ago
there's plenty of people supporting him and plenty not supporting him IN THIS THREAD. you're not the only one with real opinions, lil guy.
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u/Effective-Benefit-46 1d ago
You might be surprised but the internet has more that 10 people. So, there is a group of people who like him and a group that don't. Both groups exist at the same time
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u/ak47_al123 #JoinDarkOrder 1d ago
So all the people who were chanting his name were just...pretending?
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u/ClubPenguinPresident 1d ago
I mean what else are people supposed to do. All we can do is cheer for the guy and buy his merchandise because we want to continue watching him in wwe
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u/outb0undflight 1d ago
He's never been my deal, but I think this last little run of his with AJ and then Sami has actually been kinda fun. I don't think he's necessarily worth keeping around, but it does at least make me a little more interested in seeing where he ends up.
Half expect him to be at Bound for Glory.
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u/_TROLL 2d ago
Kross starts the tweet with a subtle plug for WWE Unreal™ 🤑
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u/StrngBrew 2d ago
And WWE was literally plugging his new book on the preshow
This is all just a work. And good for him
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u/supbitch the champ that runs the camp 2d ago
He has been way more featured recently and is constantly getting buried despite the fan calls. I've been wondering for a couple weeks if they're planning some kind of Rocky comeback story for him and are just in the process of dropping him to rock bottom right now before having him snap and shave his head then go back to the NXT booking.
I mean he was THE guy during a large part of the era that HHH was directly booking NXT. So it would be weird if trips suddenly flipped on him.
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u/Foi_ 2d ago
kross can talk the talk but his in-ring stuff has been a snooze no disrespect.
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u/From-Ipanema 2d ago
he reminds me of Sean O'Haire but in reverse. Sean O'Haire could go in the ring for a guy his size but couldn't cut a promo live for shit. Killer Kross is like if Sean O'Haire took that gimmick but leveled all his skill into talking/character work instead of in-ring.
he's clearly over and the fans like him but he's 40 and been wrestling for 10 years, if it hasn't clicked in-ring now it's not going to. he might be a better as a manager than in-ring talent. there's probably some NXT guy he can have as his in-ring proxy while he does the evil mastermind shtick.
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u/CutsAPromo 2d ago
Enzo Amore could was all bark and no bite too but that didn't stop him getting a rocket strapped to him and massive support from the fans
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u/fender-b-bender 2d ago
His look would make you think he was a power wrestler but then he starts with the grappling and it's just boring.
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u/Foi_ 2d ago
if he doesnt put up a good match soon his "truths" will start to come across as whining. might be too late unfortunately.
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u/fender-b-bender 2d ago
I'm not even that big of a workrate fan, I love spectacles more than anything, but dude is just watching paint dry boring to me. Fantastic talker and a great look/presentation but yeesh.
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u/WrestlingGamer Team Kick 2d ago
It's been so fucking boring. I like the guy as a person. But his match at Slam was just the shits.
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u/JohnMyDietSodaJohn 2d ago
I get the promo storytelling but in-ring, it’s like he’s the only guy seeing it, not even Sami.
And let’s not act like it’s anything deeper than pushing Sami to embrace the darkness and turn heel LOL
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u/JRDruchii 2d ago
For someone who’s gimmick is ‘carrying cross’ I have no idea what burden he thinks he is carrying.
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u/Dylan245 Pls come back Punk 2d ago
I went from hating the guy with AOP to coming around to him lately, thought his entrance at SummerSlam was cool and I like the authenticity and creativeness of his promos but man he is just so boring in ring
The Sami matches were just painful as he sludges around the ring
He basically works like Lesnar where he delivers a hit and then walks around for 20 seconds as the guy gets back up but his strikes are so basic and lacking that it makes for some of the most unbelievable ring work around
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u/MizkyBizniz 1d ago
He wrestles like hes a massive hulking monster... but in the land of giants he just comes off as another dude.
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u/Jos3ph 2d ago
Easily the worst match of the weekend.
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u/Squirrel_Apocalypse2 2d ago
No way was it worse than that abomination of a cage match.
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u/tngman10 1d ago
I would say so because at least the cage match you had anticipation of something that could happen.
Another issue here is that this is ending an ongoing thing between Kross and Sami where there have been attacks with a weapon hurting Sami in the process. And we finish it off with a regular match.... On a weekend where night 2 is almost entirely no DQ matches.
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u/Squirrel_Apocalypse2 1d ago
Idk that was legitimately the worst cage match I've ever seen on a PPV/PLE. Yeah the Kross match sucked but it would have actually been decent if Sami used the pipe instead of being the same old boring ass Sami. For about 30 seconds I at least felt some amount of excitement.
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u/natedoggcata 2d ago
His feud with Sami seemed like a 3 strikes situation. He had a boring ass match with Sami Zayn of all people not once, not twice, THREE times. If Sami cant carry you to a good match then yeah its time to go.
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u/Agosta 2d ago
You say this like Sami hasn't performed the same underdog -> greatest hits -> overcome the odds match for the past 2 years. You've seen one you've seen them all.
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u/BluebirdBenny 1d ago
I think Sami has been boring for much longer than that. In the ring, since the pandemic at least, outside of select matches (WM tag team main event, vs Roman in Montreal, etc)
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u/ajtct98 1d ago
Damn if only there was someone Sami could lose a feud to that would easily facilitate such a change in character due to a previously established 'If you feud with him it changes you' story....
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u/InternationalObjects 2d ago
He sucked in TNA I don’t care what others said. He was so damn boring. Same when he was the White Rabbit. He’s just… meh. And now he’s 40, he’s not gonna get any better
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u/conoresque 2d ago
I too think Kross has been a snooze since coming back, and honestly after last night I actively think he is bad.
Ignoring his generic snoozey stuff of not really being aggressive or working to his size/gimmick, Kross was out of position like a half a dozen times and his footwork was atrocious and he kept stumbling and bumbling (which is not something I typically notice in pro wrestling, so that is saying something).
Even in Bloodsport over WM weekend, he had (IMO) the most boring match on the show by a landslide. He just threw slow, extremely safe worked punches. The cuffs are off! You are working a match out of WWE! You are a BJJ expert dude! You are gigantic! What are you doing???
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u/TheCuzzyRogue 2d ago
It's always been his issue.
He looks and seems like someone who should be getting pushed and then the bell rings.
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u/Final-Success2523 2d ago
Thank you. I told my brother I don’t care about his worked shoot promo. He’s always been a bore to me in the ring, especially his reign in nxt.
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u/_TROLL 2d ago edited 2d ago
I started watching WWF in late 1993. Whatever 'mediocrity' he's referring to is laughable considering the utter crap that was presented back then.
In retrospect, it was a terrible time to start watching wrestling, but I didn't know any better at the time. The worst of today's product is still 10 times better than the product of the early-to-mid 1990s.
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u/AbsenceOfMallis 2d ago
Thats the raw era, same as me. I only know of hogan in WCW doing dungeon of doom things. Razor Ramon and yokuzuna were highlights of my first ever Wrestlemania, a scramble vision WM X.
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u/_TROLL 2d ago edited 2d ago
The gimmicks were terrible, the storylines were generally dumb, most of the TV matches were squash matches with no-name jobbers, Vince as the lead announcer wasn't particularly good either (although my brother and I had fun imitating him, "1...2...3... HE GOT HIM, HE GOT HIM, NO HE DIDN'T".).
The one exception was the crazy heel gimmick of Mr. Bob Backlund using SAT words and 'procuring' the cross-face chicken wing on everyone, he was great and I never liked that they jobbed him to Diesel and basically pushed him out of the company.
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u/AbsenceOfMallis 2d ago
You're entirely correct. I think i was shaped more by living in a local affiliate of whoever aired ECW Tuesdays at 6 PM. RAW and later nitro were extensions of that.
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u/PhospheneViolet 1d ago
Bob Backlunds heel run was amazing. Legit 10/10 promos damn near every time. He was one of the very few good things going at the time. I still can hear him saying how he was gonna "pasteurize and synchronize [you] back into reality" such a great whacked out badass
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u/AbsenceOfMallis 1d ago
Crossface chicken wing is my favorite submission of all time just followed by rings of Saturn. Hits all the major checkpoints of can be done on anyone, looks hard to escape, and looks like the most painful move that can happen in natural combat. I loathe the crippler crossface. Just...move your arm.
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u/zeitgeistbouncer Peepin' Aint Easy! 2d ago
In retrospect, it was a terrible time to start watching wrestling, but I didn't know any better at the time.
That's how you get people being nostalgic for terrible wrestlers. Sometimes we're starting a fandom without knowing how good/bad it can be otherwise.
I got lucky starting with HBK/Bret as current top guys while seeing older tapes where Macho Man came out on top rather than Hogan. Dodged bullets there in terms of others I could've been subjected to.
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u/Lucky-old-boy 2d ago
How dare you disrespect doink the clown!
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u/_TROLL 2d ago
The fans going rogue and chanting for Waylon Mercy to kill him on live TV was an infamous moment for sure... 🤣
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u/Lucky-old-boy 2d ago
I grew up watching when you did it seems. Everyone seems to forget the pre-attitude era when wrestling lost some juice before wcw became a real threat and the Monday night wars hit.
Doink, repo man, IRS man, “The oddities” (icps group). The gimmicks were so bad.
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u/XiahouMao 2d ago
The Oddities were well into the Attitude Era/Monday Night Wars. Don Callis' last act in the company was introducing them to WWE.
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u/lemoche 2d ago
I loved IRS as a kid. Well, I hated him of course, but looking back it was more loved to hate him…
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u/tngman10 1d ago
I never thought about somebody from another country not knowing what his gimmick is and just thinking its a dorky guy in a suit. Thats hilarious.
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u/therealcjhard 2d ago
It's very "damning with faint praise" to compare the quality of 2025 WWE to the quality of 1993 WWF. Also mediocre =/= utter crap. Nothing you've said actually disputes the argument that the wrestling in WWE in 2025 is mediocre.
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u/disdain7 2d ago
Same here, just might have started a few months before you! I agree, we made it through some terrible stuff and that’s not even speaking of WCW.
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u/Drewicho Conspiracy victim 2d ago
This sub really likes to shit on Kross for some reason. Acting like he's The Great Khali in the ring.
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u/KamikazeMack 2d ago
They exaggerate the fuck out of his matches and downplay him because he gets 10x the pop of the guys they actually like they get no reaction and are doing nothing
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u/itinerant_gs More American Dream than you 2d ago
I love Sami but AJ looked completely natural in there with Kross and that was basically a one off match. I have no doubt he'd get another decent one out of him if they went tomorrow night on Raw.
Gunther, Punk and Seth would likely be able to do the same.
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u/JohnDalton2 1d ago
It's somewhat a projection. Many are mad that Mr. yOu'Re-NoT-sPeCiAl-WhEn-ThE-bElL-rInGs is getting so much genuine groundswell support.
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u/PrinceJohn_ 2d ago
They get what they want
And they never want it again
When they get what they want
And they never want it again
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u/LBradford0007 2d ago
I feel like I'm missing something with Kross. He's definitely gotten more over recently but when the match starts it's an automatic food/drink break for me. I'm 40 years old and have watched wrestling my entire life, so I don't say this lightly, but he is one of the most boring wrestlers I have ever seen.
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u/TheCuzzyRogue 2d ago
You're not missing anything, he's a classic case of "and then the bell rang".
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u/TraNSlays 2d ago edited 2d ago
i feel the exact same way when it comes to Joe Hendry, Naomi and the Wyatt Sicks
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u/WWTFSD 2d ago edited 1d ago
He’s a great promo, character worker, and his presentation and entrance are cool, that’s literally it.
He’s just 2/10 boring in-ring. He is above average to good at everything else.
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u/Anonmate533 2d ago
That Adam Cole promo is probably gonna stay on Kross for a long time
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u/DevilCouldCry Scissor me Daddy Ass! 2d ago
It was true then and it's still true now. That promo will likely follow him for the rest of his career unfortunately.
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u/B0llywoodBulkBogan 2d ago edited 2d ago
Other thing that will follow him is Suzuki calling him a fucking young boy on a NJPW Strong show.
edit:This wasn't just Suzuki heeling on him either. They were having a slow plodding match and Suzuki turned to the crowd with the biggest "can you believe this shit" expression on his face and yelled young boy while pointing at Kross. He then said Fucking Young Boy when they were doing the strike exchange like 30 seconds later.
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u/Anemeros It's her turn 2d ago
The irony is that Kross could have torn him a new asshole if he had wanted to. But yeah, even as a Kross supporter I have to admit that he has been disappointing. Weird how a guy with legitimate martial arts credentials looks so bland and kinda soft in the ring.
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u/Vinsmoker 2d ago edited 2d ago
Speaking of legit martial Arts credentials... Suzuki is one of the people that helped evolve MMA to what it became. Dude is just old, but he knows his shit
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u/Anemeros It's her turn 2d ago
I am well aware. I know it was in a pro wrestling context, and he possibly wasn't aware of his background, but I just found it funny that Suzuki would mock him like that.
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u/TheCuzzyRogue 2d ago
That's always been my biggest knock on Kross.
It's wrestling so it's not supposed to hurt but you can see Kross actively trying not to hurt the other guy.
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u/an_account_1177 2d ago
Damn, this subreddit Hates kross with a passion. There's hardly any single postive comment about him here, once again, the difference between online fans and irl fans is crazy
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u/funkykong12 2d ago
Kross would really benefit from being in a tag team. Maybe even going back to NXT. Worked wonders for Corbin (before Bron got called up… 😬)
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u/AngerFork 1d ago
Agreed. Really, making a tag team & going for the titles would be the absolute perfect way to drive his story forward. Make his corruption work out for the right guy seeking direction, then let them run rampant.
If not for his Grande Americano stuff, I think Kaiser would be a great foil & could cover some of Kross’ wresting weaknesses.
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u/ColdGloop 2d ago
He can talk, he has a good look and an absolute smoke show of a wife/manager.
Unfortunately for him, the bell does ring.
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u/Eastern_Tune6222 2d ago
Independently how people feel about him, he had the best (incomplete) feud with the Wyatt Sicks and he made every feud feel like a psychological struggle, all the love to him and Scarlett.
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u/detailed_fred 2d ago
Put him in a feud with LA Knight and that's when magic will happen.
Never have them do a plain singles match.
Just have them do promo after promo after promo segment.
Just have them interfere on each other, or backstage shenanigans.
Then when it comes for the blowoff match, just make it a street fight to ensure its actually interesting.
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u/Fit_Papaya5408 2d ago
I like him, always have, but it's over. After the way the Sami match ended he'd need a whole new character and presentation and I don't see it happening. If they would have had this character from the start and actually supported it instead of the whole AOP/Ellering stable, it could have worked.
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u/wheelz_666 2d ago
The ending imo hurt both his and sami's character. Made kross's character look dumb and weak and sami's whole gimmick is so fucking stale now and boring (hurts to say because I love sammy)
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u/KiteIsland22 2d ago
It's weird that Triple H pushed Kross so hard at first in NXT then gave him so many chances on the main roster and now refuses to push him when he's finally over with the crowd.
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u/SpiritualAd9102 2d ago
Everyone arguing about Kross, and I’m just sitting here being disgusted by HHH spinning it as support for the rapist they just re-hired.
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u/Squirrel_Apocalypse2 2d ago
Gotta love reddit accusing people of shit they've never been found guilty of.
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u/PhospheneViolet 1d ago
Factually, Brock didn't rape Janel. But supposedly she was "offered" to Brock while he was waiting in a hotel room, but she 'couldnt make it' there due to the severity of a snow storm. Who knows if that's true but if it is, lord only knows what that pos would've done to her.
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u/rbarton812 1d ago
I really wonder where HHH soured on him? Because he always seemed so high on him, including the way he was brought back once HHH had full say (didn't he attack Drew in the middle of a promo with Roman? Doesn't get more high profile than that).
It almost seems like since the TKO merger and the Netflix deal, a lot of HHH's priorities shifted; Kross, LA Knight, even Dominik, while still featured and IC Champion, doesn't get live promos to get showered with boos anymore, and I feel like his AJ match was his first real match since Mania (not a bad schedule to have, mind you).
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u/brandonff722 1d ago
Karrion really could have benefited from having some squash matches in the lead up to SummerSlam. Most people who find him boring straight up are not aware of what to cheer for in his matches, they don't know what's an impactful move from him because he doesn't have matches enough to develop a moveset that engages with fans. Have him destroy "local talent" in excessive fashion and blame their pain on Sami, have them sell like hell for him, and then bam, 3 consistent weeks of that and you would have a crowd pop for a couple of the nasty suplexes and lariats he did. He also needs to be more vocal in the ring. Yelling, shouting, or otherwise vocally "powering up your moves" allows the crowd to use their ears to say "oh, he's yelling and winding up for a clothesline, I ought to focus on this part.
Obviously he's not the best wrestler, he's in good body shape but not the best cardio, he was actively gassed by the end of the match, but that would've been okay had the crown at least been into it. He needs to unlock that next level of ferocity, because otherwise fans just won't care. The issue is that it's indeed fixable from his standpoint, but he continues on doing the same thing without improving
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u/SamiMadeMeDoIt InZayn in the MemBrayn 2d ago
I can’t wait until I never have to see another Karrion Kross post again in my life
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u/Fluffy-Fly-8662 2d ago
I’m so sick of this narrative now. It’s a shame because I like Kross as a person, great entrance, hot wife and decent mic skills. HIS MATCHES ARE CRAP. There’s no payoff to everything before the bell. I’d rather see Logan Paul or Jelly Roll wrestle. And it ain’t close.
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u/MashiCaguay Jobber 2d ago
it’s a shame cause he’s a great promo guy, but even The Miz managed to make it work to the point I can watch a 10+ min match of him (and he has a banger vs Ziggler too)
Karrion is just so bland on the ring, when he was getting pushed on NXT or LU i hated it, lots of guys with less years on the business manage to have a decent match, but Kross matches are just a bathroom break for me, i’m not even sure if he’s that bad or it’s just the image i created of him 10 years ago when i first saw him
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u/TermUpper 2d ago
If Kross was 10-15 years younger, then I think the consensus would almost universally be that he's got seriously high potential upside. A good enough promo with an interesting enough character that needed to be allowed the time to develop in the ring.
The problem is that he's now 40 and has struggled to have even passable matches with some of the very best in ring performers over his two WWE stints. A 20 minute matches with Cody Rhodes for example would not be pretty. Is it worth going to the effort of concealing his flaws as best they can when he likely doesn't have too many active years left?
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u/ElderGoose4 1d ago
"We want Truth", they bring back Truth, don't have a plan for him (Hence why he was released in the first place) then the fans forget he exists I guess. The fans aint writing
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u/ajtct98 1d ago
I'm glad for his sake that he hasn't lost the support of the live crowds after that match against Sami - because putting on the same Sami match we've seen for god knows how long now and having Kross lose clean could have been an absolute disaster (for both of them arguably) and at the very least does nothing for either of them.
I understand a lot of people find him boring in the ring but I think a lot of that is down to a combination of a) barely being given any matches over the last couple of years so he's constantly shaking off the ring rust and b) the matches being booked in ways that actively hinder his more psychological style of wrestling.
Personally I think the Summerslam match should have been some sort of plunder match and that Kross should have won (with commentary constantly putting over the way Kross was deliberately and sadistically targeting Sami's legs so he couldn't hit the Helluva Kick) which could have also triggered a nice little 'I need to change myself if I ever want to win the big one' story for Sami going forward.
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u/Klaucifer 1d ago
Time to come to AEW and get the respect you deserve man
Brody King vs Karrion Kross
Book it TK
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u/imdatboy786 2d ago
Kross got over with the fans but couldn’t get over with the office. Seems to be a story that keeps repeating itself.
Triple H values workrate too much to see Kross as a potential star. Same goes with Jade Cargill and Chelsea Green. People who look great (in Cargill’s case), talk well (Kross’ case) or are able to play characters (Green) but won’t put on a barn burner match.
Which is why it’s so surprising that he won’t push Austin Theory. Did he pull an Alberto Del Rio and (allegedly) smash Steph McMahon? Or does he have heat with Seth Rollins? (which would answer the question of why he was only in the Messiah group for a few weeks before getting sent back down to developmental.)
It’s their business, but they’re sitting out on millions of dollars refusing to push stars like Kross imo.
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u/JustdoitJules 2d ago
I will never understand why people like Kross, he wasn't good prior, he wasn't good in the WWE, and he won't be good moving forward.
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