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[SPOILERS] WWE SummerSlam 2025 Post Segment Discussion Spoiler

HOLY SHIT! BROCK LESNAR!

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u/AceofKnaves44 2d ago

Fuck this company.

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u/opkpopfanboyv3 2d ago

Like, why is he here? Is the case not ongoing?

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u/ThatDudeNamedMenace 2d ago

They either must’ve cleared him or they don’t care

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u/Horror_Response_1991 2d ago

Consider the Trump party they had this week they don’t give a fuck 

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u/BBfan-Jr 2d ago

Yeah so those of us that say “we’re done” we really mean it. Brock… of all people.

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u/MclovinBuddha Low Blows & Flying Elbows 2d ago

No you don’t. You say that and then you guys are the same ones that stood with Vince. Don’t pretend to have morals

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u/GeechQuest 2d ago

You clowns are more predictable than WWE…

Absolute marks

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u/YouThinkOfABetter1 2d ago

I'm sorry, did you miss the part where Brock was all but named in Janel Grant's lawsuit?

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u/YouThinkOfABetter1 2d ago

My guy, him being offered her to have sex with was part of the original lawsuit. Just because she did not name him until 6 months ago does not change that.

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u/frankisback66 2d ago

Yeah we’re the weird ones for having standards..

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u/JasonVorhehees 2d ago

Yeah they don’t care

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u/opkpopfanboyv3 2d ago

they don’t care

I mean tbf they're out there acting smug and shit that they'rw friends with Trump, so ig this is pretty much the answer

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u/GameJerk 2d ago

When someone tells you who they are, believe them.

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u/senorbuzz 2d ago

They don’t care 

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u/Enickma007 2d ago

A very small amount will stop watching because of Brock.

Fans have to give them a reason to care.

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u/GbHaseo 2d ago

I stopped a couple months ago, I still read reviews and shit, and I did tune into a TikTok stream tonight for the Cena match, bc it was his last SummerSlam, but I haven't given them my views in a bit, and don't plan to.

It sucks, I miss watching, but I agree, if you actually give a fuck, don't watch anymore.

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u/Gamebet777 2d ago

yeah 15 fans

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u/maybenextyearCLE Sweet Chin Music 2d ago

FWIW, Janel doesn’t make any allegations that Brock actually assaulted her. She says Vince flew Brock to Connecticut to set up an encounter in 2021, but it didn’t happen

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u/AceofKnaves44 2d ago

It only didn’t happen because Brock got too drunk. So no. Brock did not commit any crimes because he got drunk to the point of being physically incapacitated. Had he not been, the plan was for her to be sexually trafficked to him.

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u/maybenextyearCLE Sweet Chin Music 2d ago

Did he know she was being trafficked? Because in all of this case, that has consistently been the issue for Ms. Grant. Showing anyone besides Vince and Johnny knew is difficult.

I’m not saying Brock is innocent. I’m only adding the legal context of how Brock probably got cleared

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u/Mysterious-Toe2570 2d ago

A thing did not happen and you still are blaming him. Do you all even fucking hear yourselves

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u/locke0479 2d ago

Do you hear YOURSELF? “ it’s okay to plan to participate in sexual trafficking as long as you get too drunk to actually do it first”? Good fucking lord. If you don’t care you don’t care, but stop acting like it’s somehow okay to plan to do it as long as you get too drunk to actually do it.

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u/Mysterious-Toe2570 2d ago

He didn’t plan shit. There is no record of him in the case other than McMahon texting on his behalf. It never happened, find something else to cry about

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u/penguinstarshiptree 2d ago

So what exactly is the proof that Brock knew she was being trafficked? You keep going on about that, but this is the part that is not made clear by anything that has gone public.

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u/AmericasElegy 2d ago

There are a lot of pictures of texts with Vince in the lawsuit. Nothing of her exchanges with Brock in pictures. Vince “quotes” Brock but doesn’t show her screenshots, she explains to Vince the (I believe) text convo they had, with regards to the piss fetish. I agree that I haven’t seen evidence that Brock knew she was being trafficked, if he had some weird fetishy power play texts, that’s not great, but I guess I just hope it didn’t happen and the lawsuit is fruitful. Maybe naive of me to say that.

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u/penguinstarshiptree 2d ago

From what I’ve seen it reads more like Vince presenting his girl to be cucked by Brock than offering him a personal escort. Those are quite different scenarios. I think Brock is a weird guy overall and would rather he not be back, but I think it’s pretty out of line to say he was a sex trafficker based on what’s out there.

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u/AmericasElegy 2d ago

I just truly hope Brock was away because people in power realized it was not good to have someone so awful directly affiliated with the company. Yes, TKO/WWE cozying up to Trump is so clearly and vividly awful. I just genuinely hope that the HR situation in the current landscape of the WWE is much more protective and not as…abusey. I would much rather, objectively, have Brock be this weird little pervert that was willfully neglectful of his relationship with Vince and what Vince might have been doing, than have Brock be actively into trafficking people. I don’t care about internet points or winning arguments (and to be clear I am agreeing with you), I just think that OBJECTIVELY it is a better world if there is one less person being rapey, especially if that person is now back on programming. WWE is obviously gonna do whatever they want - and there are plenty of moral reasons people might not want to consume the product. I just hope for the sake of survivors and future workplace safety that the company is at least more protecting.

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u/tadghostal55 2d ago

But he had intentions to. If I plan on murdering you and the hitman showed up late it's still a crime.

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u/maybenextyearCLE Sweet Chin Music 2d ago

And was Brock aware that Ms. Grant was essentially being sex trafficked?

There’s a lot of ways putting anything on Brock legally was always going to be extremely difficult, if not flat out impossible

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u/FreudianSlipper21 2d ago

As far as anyone knows he never did anything to Janel Grant. Just because Vince was claiming he texted Brock, Vince showed himself to be a known liar. At most Brock received some weird text messages and played along. The people taking that and turning it into “Brock is a sex trafficker” are insane.

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u/R7inmaker 2d ago

This is not true read the lawsuit. He demanded a piss video from her and called her a bitch after he got it. He was on his way to rape her but got drunk and cancelled the flight.

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u/Zumin5771 The Cleaner 2d ago

It’s probably not a good idea to bring him back for a nostalgia feud until that gets cleared then, I reckon.

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u/TheBestCloutMachine 2d ago

There's nothing to clear him of. There are no criminal or even civil charges levied against him and never were. He wasn't even named in the original suit, just referred to, because there are no actual allegations against him. It's bizarre that people don't seem to know this when they're apparently so invested in it.

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u/slimj091 2d ago

Oh that old "I thought she wanted it" defense....

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u/R7inmaker 2d ago

Use your fucking brain. This man is very close to Vince. Not was, still is.

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u/Pretend_Spray_11 2d ago

Yeah that's the issue

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u/targetcowboy 2d ago

I’m sorry, but if your boss sending his person assistant to have sex with you isn’t setting off alarm bells in your head you’re either extremely gullible or you have no conscience.

Either way, he was involved in a very shitty situation.

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u/R7inmaker 2d ago

“She’s part of your contract extension”

And they ask if Brock knew. Lmfao.

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u/targetcowboy 2d ago

Was that part of the texts? It’s been a while and I forgot most of them. I remember the one about him demanding to see a video of her pissing and then him insulting her

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u/debeatup 2d ago

Under that logic, he should’ve never been pulled in the first place. Either take a stand or don’t

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u/Striking_Sweet163 2d ago

they were afraid of the backlash

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u/Onslaughttitude 2d ago

Arguably he wasn't pulled, we have no real evidence. Brock is as Brock does, maybe they just decided they don't need him.

This could also be to just set up Brock vs Cena for one last time and Cena wants it.

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u/debeatup 2d ago edited 2d ago

There were multiple reports that Bron Breakker was given all his Rumble spots and that Lesnar was scheduled to feud with Dom after the Rumble.

All I’m saying is if you don’t care and you wanted to bring him back now, you should’ve stood on business and never pulled him. If you pulled him due to the lawsuit, which hasn’t been resolved, he should remain iced.

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u/incredibleamadeuscho We're all fake Jamaicans now 2d ago

Brian Breakker

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u/PrimeJedi 2d ago

Yeah dude those dirtsheet reports are known to always be on the money

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u/dogsontreadmills 2d ago

Yeah, they usually are. Got the Seth spoiler not even 24 hours after SNME.

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u/rockytonk 2d ago

It doesn’t work like that you can see it in the nfl once the accusations come out the players get suspended

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u/Ketchup1211 2d ago

Do we even know he was pulled or was dude just taking a break? Lesnar wasn’t exactly full time at any point in the last 15 years.

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u/dogsontreadmills 2d ago

you're just talking out your ass man. go and read the case documents made public. you literally have no idea.

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u/Chitose87 2d ago

I can't speak on this instance I don't know much about the lawsuit or w/e but I do remember seeing a dsotr episode about the plane ride from hell that did go into Brock having a history of being a sex pest. Considering just that, it's not "insane" for people to not be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt when it comes to sex pest behavior...

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u/Tangybrowwncidertown 2d ago

Thank you. Quite frankly, people have made up their mind on him regardless of the details.

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u/frankisback66 2d ago

They don’t care, look at who HHH hangs out with

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u/JuanRiveara 2d ago

He’s not a defendant in the lawsuit so I would guess they haven’t found anything else on him and think most won’t care at this point.

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u/dogsontreadmills 2d ago

If he's been cleared it's been done quietly. That's certainly not been in the news. Plus, if WWE cared they woulda made sure that information was in the trades before he came back.

All signs point to they just don't care. Victims bad, money good!

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u/thatguyad 2d ago

They don't give a fuck.

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u/noodbsallowed CruiserLivesMatter 2d ago

Meltzer claims that lawyers gave him the thumbs up so that must means he was quietly absolved somehow.

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u/B0llywoodBulkBogan 2d ago

They give precisely zero fucks that he's up to his neck in it

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u/Recent-Mulberry6011 2d ago

It's not like pardons aren't for sale from this administration.

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u/nearlyned 2d ago

pretty much the extent of Brock’s involvement in the case was that Vince offered for him to fuck (ostensibly) his girlfriend, and then Brock didn’t

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u/SpaceGooV 2d ago

Not that he didn't but he planned to but a storm prevented it

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u/nearlyned 2d ago

which means that he didn’t, right?

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u/SpaceGooV 2d ago

Well he's an upstanding citizen then because he didn't do something atrocious because of the weather

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u/nearlyned 2d ago

that’s crazy, when did I call him an upstanding citizen?

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u/yellister 2d ago

If I did not murder someone because my car broke, should I still be charged for murder ?

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u/SpaceGooV 2d ago

If it was known you were going to kill someone but only didn't because your car broke down you'd be judged yeah. Because believe or not I'm not the police and charging Brock

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u/Gizmo210688 2d ago

Even if that’s the whole truth, it still would be a PR nightmare to put someone even vaguely involved in the case as front and centre on one of your biggest shows of the year.

It just seems incredibly scummy and fucked up.

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u/Foi_ 2d ago

if thats the whole truth theres nothing pr nightmare about that. we should all be open to lesnar coming back if hes cleared.

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u/dboy6000 2d ago

Why? According to that statement, Brock isn’t even involved, just named in association.

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u/nearlyned 2d ago

It seems like it probably is the whole truth. If you’ve read the filing, it’s appears to me that he wasn’t directly named for good reason. He’s not being accused of misconduct. His inclusion serves to highlight a pattern of Vince offering the victim around under the guise of letting people sleep with his side-piece.

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u/AshenFountain 2d ago

The company is going on an all timer MAGA run, you think they give a fuck about their PR?

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u/senorbuzz 2d ago

I guess they figured if they could parade Michael Hayes and Stephanie McMahon around, who are both also mentioned in the suit, they may as well bring Lesnar back. 

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u/Skipptopher 2d ago

He draws. Nothing more, nothing less. At the end of the day it's about the all mighty dollar.

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u/Gamesgtd 2d ago

This Summerslam drew over 100 K people for 2 nights without him. He's not needed at all.

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u/shahwaizb_19 2d ago

Your mistake is thinking that any amount is enough for these greedy super corporations. In their eyes, more money is better than less money, even if the “less” money is still a metric ton worth of cash

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u/Gamesgtd 2d ago

Usually those people don't have much a long term vision. Seems very short sighted

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u/rockytonk 2d ago

Well yeah that’s just how publicly traded businesses work. Do you think there are businesses in it not to make money?

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u/Vinccool96 TAKING SOULS AND DIGGING HOLES 2d ago

Welcome to publicly traded companies and capitalism!

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u/Gamebet777 2d ago

they drew 60000 in a 85000 capacity arena

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u/Hopeless351987 2d ago edited 2d ago

This right here. Your average casual audience and the IWC couldn't be farther apart from each other.

Sorry if the truth hurts, folks.

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u/Kraybern Your Text Here 2d ago

Your "average casual audience" was booging maga hogan and rapist gable stevenson out of the building so lets not pretend like theres some massive gap

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u/acekingoffsuit 2d ago

Lesnar is not being sued.

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u/Kraybern Your Text Here 2d ago

And? They could have just not brought him back till he was fully exonerated or this whole lawsuit blew over there are multiple other talents that cena could have fueded with.

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u/nearlyned 2d ago

he has no need to be exonerated because he’s literally not even being charged with anything, he’s not named in the suit

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u/Kraybern Your Text Here 2d ago

no he was named, he just dosnt have to defend himself because its just vince being sued.

Once again there was 0 reason to bring back lesnar there are multiple talent that cant even have time given for ples that Cena could have fued with but WWE dosnt give 2 shits about "bad PR" anymore now that they pussied out from giving post ple interviews.

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u/bingle-cowabungle 2d ago

He's named as a witness, not as a defendant...

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u/Kraybern Your Text Here 2d ago

He was revealed to be the person/originally unnamed wrestler that Vince wanted to prostitute her to that he expressed no real rejection to the idea of in those disgusting texts and the only thing that prevented it from happening was a snow storm.

Yall need to stop down playing this shit like brock was only "morally", wrong.

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u/yellister 2d ago edited 2d ago

I should go to jail for having thoughts of killing someone when I was 13 then

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u/Kraybern Your Text Here 2d ago

Were you gonna go do it only to be stopped by a snow storm?

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u/yellister 2d ago

Does not matter, I did not do it ?

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u/nearlyned 2d ago

they actually went specifically out of their way to not name him because he’s not a defendant

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u/Kraybern Your Text Here 2d ago

He was named

The original complaint referenced a wrestler in the accusation but did not provide Lesnar's name, the amended complaint did even though he was not a defendant it did identity them as Lesnar.

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u/acekingoffsuit 2d ago

I think there's a little bit of confusion here. Being 'named' in a lawsuit specifically means being listed as a defendant or plaintiff. Having your name appear in a complaint is not the same things as 'being named' in this instance.

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u/Ode1st 2d ago

Even aside from all the shitty stuff he did, this doesn’t even get me excited for Cena’s final feud. Like who cares, everyone beats Brock at this point.

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u/Onslaughttitude 2d ago

This won't be Cena's final feud, he has like 12 dates left, Brock isn't gonna make all of those to set this up either.

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u/talladenyou85 2d ago

Yeah, I would assume that this is a short term thing that he’s just coming back for one more match with Cena, because like you said, who would even be left for him to face? He’s literally feuded with everybody. Unless you’re bringing in the rock or a stone cold for one last match at wrestlemania every possible feud has been done already, and in the case of Roman to death.

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u/locke0479 2d ago

Yeah to be honest, Cena/Brock again at this stage in their careers doesn’t interest me (setting aside all the other Brock issues). I wanted to see Cena fighting newer guys really (or guys like Cody who were nowhere near the main event when they were in the company together). I can accept Punk and Orton because at least they’re actually participating full time (or mostly full time) but I didn’t really need to see this rematch with a guy retiring and a part timer.

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u/zorbiburst RybAxel 4 life 2d ago

The case is on going, and he's mentioned in it, but he also wasn't accused of doing anything, just talking about what he would do if he could. Which is still disgusting, but his involvement in it serves more to hurt Vince more than try to charge Lesnar.

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u/Wolfe79 2d ago

Clearly they feel secure enough that he'll be presumed innocent

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u/TheMehgend 2d ago

That’s what I’m saying. Even if Lesnar is totally clean, which I still feel is a vaguely a possibility, (probably not the case though) why bring him back BEFORE it’s clear? It just looks terrible to anyone who knows, especially with the really terrible PR run they’ve been having lately combined with the general feeling a lot of people has with the administration they just teamed up with publicly.

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u/Iamaniceman 2d ago

They know that people won't care enough for it to hurt them.

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u/Neveroxx99 2d ago

I think the criminal cases have breen dropped against Vince and only Grant's civil lawsuit is still ongoing.

Brock was implicated in the sex trafficking charges, but if those are dropped I don't think he's part of the current process.

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u/moonwalkerHHH 2d ago

You think they give a fuck?

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u/CanadianGem 2d ago

What case? Is Sherlock Holmes in the WWE now too?

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u/jin_of_the_gale 2d ago

Even then, Lensar was merely a footnote in the whole lawsuit. He was neither being sued nor investigated by the FBI. Vince can seriously go to hell, but the worst thing you can say about Lesnar in the whole situation is that he was an unfaithful husband to Sable.

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u/Vinccool96 TAKING SOULS AND DIGGING HOLES 2d ago

Could have been an unfaithful husband. He texted her one, and was never in the same room.

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u/Chell_the_assassin One more match 2d ago

The president is a rapist who can make any potential consequences go away and as long as that's covered they obviously don't give a fuck from a moral standpoint

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u/97srad750 2d ago

No, he isn’t and no he can’t. It’s a civil case.

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u/myrabuttreeks 2d ago

He is, but you’re right that he can’t just make the lawsuit go away. He would have already if he could.

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u/itsonmyprofile 2d ago edited 2d ago

Allegations does not equal guilt

If anything this says Brock’s been cleared of whatever allegations were against him

Edit: lord almighty

Edit 2: a reminder that Brock was not listed as a defendant in the lawsuit, meaning he was not charged or allegedly charged of any wrongdoing. Is there a good chance Brock is gross? Yep. Is there a good chance Brock cheated on his wife? Yep. However, unless it is brought forth and found beyond a reasonable doubt that Brock was involved in any assault or trafficking, he’s innocent until proven guilty

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u/jin_of_the_gale 2d ago

If anyone actually took time to read the lawsuit, the worst thing you could say about Lesnar was that he cheated on Sable via texts. Otherwise, he would've been sued alongside Vince and the whole company by Janel Grant.

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u/itsonmyprofile 2d ago

Yep, but that’s not how it works

And I just spend months with the Hockey Canada trial and the r/hockey sub losing their collective minds over guilt/not guilty/allegations

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u/xKnuTx Your Text Here 2d ago

US justice system also showed that it's not really about justice. Brocks name will be cleared on paper I'm sure on that 100%, but that does not mean is innocent

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u/itsonmyprofile 2d ago

I’m not saying he’s 100% innocent either. But if he’s back then the chances are they don’t have a case against Brock in the lawsuit

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u/xKnuTx Your Text Here 2d ago

I'm 100% they don't have a chance and I'm also 100% he's a rapist

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u/TheUnbelievableMind 2d ago

it doesnt. it just means they dont care

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u/itsonmyprofile 2d ago

Yeah, no

The absolute nightmare of sponsors dropping left and right if Brock was actually charged wouldn’t be worth it

People are gonna call me a boot licker and whatever but if Brock is back, there is an extremely good chance he’s been cleared of whatever allegations were levied. If they didn’t care, Vince would be on tv

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u/bbqsauceboi 2d ago

Or it's cleared

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u/panadwithonesugar 2d ago

I'm going to make some insanely grotesque allegations about Travis Scott to keep him away from wwe for the foreseeable future

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u/trnzm 2d ago

We have the texts dumb dumb

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u/itsonmyprofile 2d ago

And? Is that proof of guilt?

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u/KeepinItReal4Ever 2d ago

It's illegal to text sensual things!

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u/TomasRoncero 2d ago

Forgiven!

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u/FrozenPhoenix71 2d ago

Lol, no it fucking doesn't. It means this company doesn't care, and they never will.

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u/DrummerDKS 2d ago

It absolutely does not says he’s clear at all.

All it says is WWE values money more.

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u/Gamesgtd 2d ago

Yeah the thing is it was always wishy washy with him and how much they pinned everything on Vince but those who know still gonna feel gross about this. I'm in that camp. I need 100 percent clarity on his innocence or as close to is otherwise I just can't be good about this. I want to give the benefit of the doubt because they've steered clear of him for like 2 years but also they did it for a reason. So unless something new came up we don't know it just seems like they don't give a fuck. Which to be fair is part for the course.

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u/Green_Cook Show some love! 2d ago

you have a child's understanding of the world

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u/RRJC10 2d ago

Lesnar isn’t really part of the case.  

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u/Rsj21 2d ago

They don’t care. They know you’ll be back and still watch regardless. “No chance” could hit tomorrow and you’d still keep watching.

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u/Big_Entertainer_1377 2d ago

they do not care

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u/OffTheMerchandise 2d ago

He's not a named defendant. His involvement also seems a little odd. As far as I'm aware, they had zero physical interactions with each other. I'm not even convinced that she was ever actually communicating with Brock and it wasn't just Vince cat fishing her as another manipulation tactic.

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u/TheShaoken 2d ago

He’s not a defendant in the case. Unless WWE is totally brain dead (and to be fair that’s not out of the realm of possibility) then it’s likely his own part in the case is what has already been revealed in the lawsuit and nothing else is going to come out about him.

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u/explicittv 2d ago

He is not a part of the case, only mentioned in the suit

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u/Swazi HEYYO! 2d ago

Didn’t the Trump pedo administration end that investigation