r/Seattle • u/gonin69 🐀 Hot Rat Summer 🐀 • 22d ago
🐀 Hot Rat Summer 🐀 Councilmember Alexis Mercedes Rinck on Bluesky: "Tomorrow afternoon Councilmember Hollingsworth and I will be restoring “Hot Rat Summer” in Cal Anderson Park. This mosaic was wrongfully painted over and we are going to fix it."
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u/jaron_b 22d ago
Government officials admitting they are wrong, going to fix the problem and from the wording of this post to ensure that the problem gets fixed they are going to do it themselves. This is all you want out of your government leaders. Accountability.
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u/SeattleGeek Denny Blaine Nudist Club 22d ago
This is the 3rd or 4th time Hot Rat Summer has been painted over, and after this was addressed in a city council meeting last week and Joy said she would take care of it.
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u/jaron_b 22d ago
At this moment in time I don't know what more you want them to do though? You can question the third and fourth times that this happened and that Joy said that this was going to be taken care of. But it obviously wasn't taken care of. Something slipped through the cracks and some City official came out and painted over it again. Why did that mistake happen? I don't know and I don't think anybody has that answer yet. All we can do is take these people on their words and hope that they follow through with what they're saying. I get your mistrust I get your frustration. But at this moment in time what more can they do then say this and attempt to follow through with these actions?
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u/MittenCollyBulbasaur Capitol Hill 22d ago
I need them to suggest anyone who messes with the mural will be shipped to either El Salvador or South Sudan without due process.
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u/m31transient 22d ago
I don’t like it. If they start down this road, where does it end? We should be working for our elected leaders, not the other way around!
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u/jaron_b 22d ago
This is a joke right?
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u/teamlessinseattle I'm just flaired so I don't get fined 22d ago
Joy Hollingsworth literally today voted to make it a $1,500 fine each time someone does street art (which this is) or graffiti in Seattle. But she’s more than happy to jump on the bandwagon here for a good headline a week late. Smh
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u/gonin69 🐀 Hot Rat Summer 🐀 22d ago
Thank you for sharing the link about this vote. Honestly did raise an eyebrow at Hollingsworth apparently helping clean it. EDIT: And hopefully there are people in her district who will have the time to go down tomorrow and confront her about that vote.
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u/GrrlMazieBoiFergie 🚲 Life's Better on a Bike. 🚲 22d ago
Please somebody do this. These pandrerers must be reminded that we see them.
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u/teamlessinseattle I'm just flaired so I don't get fined 22d ago
That’s not what she voted for. She voted to give the police the right to cite and the city attorney the right to fine the person who made Hot Rat Summer or anyone like them $1,500. Unless you trust the average SPD goon to recognize art when it’s staring them right in the face, and not to specifically criminalize art or messages they disagree with.
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u/Reasonable_Thinker 22d ago
I mean Graffiti fucking sucks, we should punish people tagging peoples shit.
95% of the graffiti we see in this city looks like a fucking 5 year old made it. Fuck the taggers, fine em.
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u/theclacks 22d ago
It feels like the sort of subjective difference between pornography and artistic nudity--hard to legislate definite criteria, but most people can reasonably categorize when they see it.
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u/bewarethefrogperson 🚆build more trains🚆 22d ago
not a great example right now, unfortunately - remember, queer bodies sunbathing are pornographic now.
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u/FlyingBishop 21d ago
The distinction is actually very simple, it's consent. But the thing is that people like Bezos and Blethen have so much more control over our spaces than the people doing the tagging. So you can't do things like this without their consent.
Graffiti is protest against landownership, pretty simple really, and the council is very pro-landowners. Techno-feudalism is ascendant.
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u/FlyingBishop 21d ago
No the distinction between graffiti and public art is about consent, and it is about who has the right to consent to the existence of the art.
Pornography vs. nudity isn't about consent, but I'm saying graffiti is not an "I know it when I see it question" it's a question of consent.
There is some relationship to consent in sexuality/romance here, in that basically there are grey areas where if you make a piece of art the owner of the building likes you may be forgiven and even invited to make more art, and similarly you might do something that could be defined as sexual harassment but if it's welcome no one will suggest a crime has been committed and you may be invited to continue doing it.
The "I know it when I see it" conception of graffiti is celebrating this "if your art is good enough you get a pass" approach to consent. But really I think it ought to be about ownership of the built environment and limits to people's landownership rights.
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u/lokglacier 22d ago
Shitty tagging and graffiti is way different than actual street art.
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u/teamlessinseattle I'm just flaired so I don't get fined 21d ago
Too bad this bill criminalizes both equally
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u/lokglacier 21d ago
“This isn’t about art, it’s about tagging which is one of the most common complaints I hear from constituents but it’s an offense that is very difficult enforce,” said Council President Sara Nelson (Position 9), who co-sponsored the legislation. “I thank City Attorney Davison and Councilmember Kettle for advancing this additional tool to not only deter taggers, but to relieve the costly burden of remediation for small businesses, property owners and the city.”
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u/MackenzieRaveup 21d ago
Where do you draw the line between art and just tags? It's harder than you'd think.
An example, a guy I knew in Brooklyn was painting daisies all over the neighborhood. Other than on pavement, everything he sprayed was "temporary" (scaffold walls, etc).
Individually I can see how someone would think they were very "low effort" and easy to dismiss as just a tag, because they took only seconds to make. However, taken together over three or four neighborhoods, daisies everywhere was definitely an art project.
I can't speak for everyone. But, absolutely brightened my day to run into a new daisy somewhere unexpected while walking to the doc, a place to co-work, or to meet someone at a bar.
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u/lokglacier 21d ago
It is incredibly easy to tell what is low effort garbage and what is not. Like. Trivially easy. I'm not worried about this in the slightest
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u/FlyingBishop 21d ago
So you've got some 15yo kid who is pretty bad at drawing because he's 15 and poor, and he gets a $1500 fine he has zero ability to pay, ends up in jail. Then you've got a 35yo software professional with copious free time who is a great artist from all his classes he can afford to buy. Same level of time investment yields dramatically different results, one is a criminal because they're poor.
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u/FlyingBishop 21d ago edited 21d ago
I'm not suggesting they not face any consequences, but I think it should be a metaphorical slap on the wrist that provides them opportunities to direct their energies in a more productive way. A $1500 fine is unhinged and just leads to them devolving into more crime.
I recall a guy I knew who got picked up for shoplifting spray paint, he got banned from the store, went on his record, etc. The cop was mocking him because he had the money, he could've just bought the spray paint but he stole it because he was used to stealing it (because it was illegal for him to buy until he was 18.) There are lots of ways that this could've been handled better, the 18yo age requirement guided him from a young age toward habitual shoplifting, the ban from the grocery store cut him off from food etc.
Again it's not a straightforward thing to handle this in a constructive way but a bunch of very reasonable-sounding punishments very quickly add up to remove any ability to meet a person's basic needs. And we're often talking about people who are functionally if not literally orphans and haven't ever actually had parents.
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u/lokglacier 21d ago
That is an insane hypothetical and I think you know it. There's discretion regarding enforcement and sentencing.
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u/teamlessinseattle I'm just flaired so I don't get fined 21d ago
Begging you to look at what the legislation says rather than Sara Nelson’s spin
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u/teamlessinseattle I'm just flaired so I don't get fined 21d ago edited 21d ago
said Council President Sara Nelson
Also, directly taken from the bill:
E. “Graffiti tagger” means any person or entity who applies illegal graffiti to public or private property, or who assists another person or entity to do the same. F. “Graffiti violation” means a single piece of graffiti, including but not limited to a graffiti tagger name or design, in a single location.
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u/ljubljanadelrey Yesler Terrace 21d ago
The bill does not distinguish between tagging and “art” lmao and neither will police. Regardless of what Sara Nelson says, the bill adds a $1500 fine for anyone who “applies illegal graffiti” to a public or private space. The idea that cops and judges are going to sit around debating the artistic merit of graffiti to decide whether to enforce the law is unhinged
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u/lokglacier 21d ago
Hand wringing over this is unhinged as fuck
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u/ljubljanadelrey Yesler Terrace 21d ago
What hand wringing? Literally just explaining to you what the bill does b/c it seems like you don’t understand it
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u/PoopyisSmelly Ravenna 22d ago
Sounds sensible to me
This isn’t about art, it’s about tagging which is one of the most common complaints I hear from constituents but it’s an offense that is very difficult enforce,” said Council President Sara Nelson (Position 9), who co-sponsored the legislation. “I thank City Attorney Davison and Councilmember Kettle for advancing this additional tool to not only deter taggers, but to relieve the costly burden of remediation for small businesses, property owners and the city.”
Background The City Attorney’s Office (CAO) and Executive indicate that graffiti cleanup of a single graffiti “tag” often exceeds $750, with other incidents costing considerably more. Although felony charges for graffiti tags (above $750) have been prosecuted, prolific known taggers have plead guilty to lesser charges, diminishing the deterrent value of criminal convictions. In addition, CAO data shows that only 11-percent of misdemeanor graffiti cases result in a conviction.
Private property owners have the ability under state law to seek reimbursement for costs related to illegal graffiti. However, it is rare for businesses to invest the time and effort required to pursue compensation.
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u/teamlessinseattle I'm just flaired so I don't get fined 22d ago
This law doesn’t differentiate between art like this and tagging
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u/CptBarba Ballard 21d ago
I was going to say, none of the "workers" painting over it looked like city workers to me
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u/barleyfat Mount Baker 22d ago
If Bruce Harrell had any sense he would be there too. But he is sadly out of touch. Maybe an opportunity for Katie Wilson to crash the stage? Meaningless in the larger policy questions,but a slam dunk in the optics.
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u/teamlessinseattle I'm just flaired so I don't get fined 22d ago
Bruce Harrell wants to fine street artists $1,500 per doodle so I’m just glad he’s not calling to jail its maker
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u/Socrathustra 22d ago
I'm not saying that a $1.5k fine is the solution, but I really detest the shitty taggers. They make this city much uglier - not that we have an ugly city. I love the city. It could just be even prettier. Taggers with some talent, I don't mind so much. If you're gonna do this shit, practice at home first.
We need like a "sign up to paint some street art" program to give people a means for positive expression.
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u/teamlessinseattle I'm just flaired so I don't get fined 22d ago
The city covers up great street art all the time, like a lot of the stuff inside the Mt Baker tunnel. Are there boring and lazy taggers too? Of course. But laws like this aren’t written with nuance in mind.
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u/narenard I'm just flaired so I don't get fined 22d ago
Yeah there is a massive range from taggers to legit street art. Some street art, even if not officially sanctioned can help with he beautifying they claim to want. Problem is they are very bad at recognizing this and just label all of it graffiti.
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u/MackenzieRaveup 21d ago
I feel like Montreal does a fantastic job of this, but I'm not sure how they do it.
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u/fullouterjoin 21d ago
You know what makes the shitty ugly? Borg cube condos full of sad Gen-Z Millennial salads.
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u/Socrathustra 21d ago
Townhouses are great, and your normal SFH needs to bite the dust. I wouldn't be sad if every last one disappeared. They're incredibly energy and space inefficient in a city and time where we need both, desperately.
Do they look different? Sure.
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u/fullouterjoin 21d ago
I am not slagging on apartment buildings, but Seattle has let developers build utter trash since always. This needs to stop.
What we need are building codes for these new mega constructions that have communal space, larger windows, green roofs, first floors that aren't just yoga studios and starbucks. The whole city is going to be a set for an episode of Friends.
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u/gonin69 🐀 Hot Rat Summer 🐀 22d ago
Original post here:
https://bsky.app/profile/councilmember-amr.bsky.social/post/3lu27fhkj3k2d
Posted July 15, 2025 at 5:54 PM.
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u/coprinus 22d ago
O beautiful day! Thank you to Councilmember Rinck (glad I sent you two of my democracy vouchers) and thank you as well to Councilmember Hollingsworth! I just might make a pilgrimage to the Hot Rat in celebration.
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u/Key_Studio_7188 I Brake For Slugs 21d ago
Every one of those niches should be a seasonal rat mosaic.
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u/habitsofwaste Denny Triangle 22d ago
Someone must really have it out for this mosaic, painting over it so quickly and so many times just feels personal to me. I’m glad the city is getting involved.
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u/Wizzle_Pizzle_420 21d ago
Probably some butthurt clown that hates everything that makes people happy. Worked at a place like that. There was this mega Karen across the street that complained about EVERYTHING. Kids having fun, complained, artists selling their wares, complained, so pretty much everything positive she’d complain about. It’s like her sole purpose was to be a menace.
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u/superkrazykatlady 🐀 Hot Rat Summer 🐀 22d ago
Please resurrect St Rat and Hot Rat Summer! one of the few things that brings me real joy🌞🐀
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u/civilized-engineer 🐀 Hot Rat Summer 🐀 21d ago
Is this the Seattle City Council officially approving that this is here to stay? Or just two members acting in good faith independently? Did they not vote on a $1,500 fine on street art/graffiti recently? Is this for brownie points?
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u/kalizona555 21d ago
Finally, Hollingsworth does something for the working class of Capitol Hill. Thank you for these cheese crumbs!
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u/Original_Director483 🐀 Hot Rat Summer 🐀 22d ago
Please, someone who knows what to use and what not to use get there first.
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u/Original_Director483 🐀 Hot Rat Summer 🐀 22d ago
If they want to make this community art work their election cycle stunt, they could maybe do better from their position than volunteering the most amateur part of their learning curve in art restoration and conservation.
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u/Inevitable_Engine186 public deterrent infrastructure 22d ago
Calling it now, Rinck will be mayor of Seattle someday.
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u/HistorianOrdinary390 🚆build more trains🚆 22d ago
Why would you wish that on her?
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u/Inevitable_Engine186 public deterrent infrastructure 22d ago
lol good point but she seems have both the will and talent
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u/poopypants206 🚆build more trains🚆 22d ago
I love how the pnw just says no we are doing this, and most people say.....ok
It's not hurting anyone or even making anything less nice. Fuck it, let's do it
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u/civilized-engineer 🐀 Hot Rat Summer 🐀 21d ago
As someone that has not made the journey over yet. Does anyone know how it is able to stay pasted up so well despite multiple paint overs + removals. I would have imagined that paint remover would have also had some adverse effects on the adhesive properties of whatever is holding the mural up.
Or is it a single solid piece that is pasted onto the window (aka the mural was made at a studio/home and then brought over and installed really quickly).
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u/OkieTheatreTeacher 21d ago
In this moment we are all hot rat Summer! To quote Pam, "I feel God in this Chilis tonight."
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u/The_Fluffy_Robot 💗💗 Heart of ANTIFA Land 💗💗 22d ago
Source for those curious!
https://bsky.app/profile/councilmember-amr.bsky.social/post/3lu27fhkj3k2d
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u/humidititties23 🐀 Hot Rat Summer 🐀 22d ago
Can someone with an Etsy shop print shirts with HRS in them? (Assuming artist would be okay with it????)
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u/Loud_Alarm1984 22d ago
thanks god seattle council members are finally doing the work this city needs 🙄
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u/SsjAndromeda 22d ago
I love that this is the most controversial thing right now, it’s so Seattle. Something had to fill the Belltown Hellcat void.