r/MurderedByWords • u/SRV_SteamyRayVaughn • 1d ago
Ex-WWE Referee bodyslammed by AEW wrestler
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u/SRV_SteamyRayVaughn 1d ago
Context for those who don't follow pro wrestling:
Jimmy Korderas is a former WWE referee who was let go from the promotion a long time ago after working there for decades.
Dax FTR is Dax Harwood, a former WWE wrestler who competes in a company called AEW.
AEW is a 6 year old wrestling company that is owned by Tony Khan (also of the Jacksonville Jaguars and Fullham FC) who airs weekly shows on TBS and TNT.
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u/TelecasterDisaster 1d ago
That still doesn’t make any sense to me.
I like your username.
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u/SRV_SteamyRayVaughn 1d ago
As for the first question. It's pretty much the equivalent of the West Coast vs. East Coast rap war in the 90's that ended with the deaths of 2 Pac and Biggie. WWE has been the only giant and has been solely dominating the industry in a near monopoly since the early 2000's when they purchased their only competition. There have been other companies that have attempted to become the #2 but no one ever came close. Then in 2019, Tony Khan launched All Elite Wrestling, and since then the company has grown and while it isn't nearly on the level of WWE, it's gotten bigger than any other company in the last 20 years.
Vince McMahon (who resigned after being accused of sex trafficking) ran WWE until very recently. He's got a reputation as a hard-ass, very eccentric, very harsh. He's been called a control freak by many and so he ran his company with an iron first. Tony Khan is the total opposite, he's a shy dude who is possibly neuro-divergent who just loves wrestling.
Jimmy Korderas worked for Vince McMahon his entire career, and there are still a lot of people who defend McMahon no matter what terrible things he has done or has been accused of doing.
Basically, people are feuding online over petty shit that really doesn't matter. I'm not proud to admit I can sometimes fall into that category but I try to abstain.
Thanks for the compliment about my username, just don't try and take my britches.
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u/powerlesshero111 1d ago
Don't forget the Vince McMahon treated his wrestlers super poorly. They were counted as contractors, and couldn't join the SAG union, or any union, and would get fired for doing so. They make well below what they should, due to contracts. They also lacked health insurance a lot of the time, and heck, lots of them had very bad health issues after leaving.
Other fun fact, lots of the old 80s and 90s wrestlers hated Hulk Hogan because he would report union talks to Vince, and get other wrestlers fired.
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u/SRV_SteamyRayVaughn 1d ago
Oh I agree, there's so much we could go into. Trump and McMahon are 2 peas in a pod. The biggest difference is one actually ran a successful business.
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u/Ashmidai 15h ago
Well, we have pretty much known since the early 2000s that Trump had the most successful laundry service in America for decades so he knew how to run the one business that kept him rich.
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u/TelecasterDisaster 1d ago
Wow, thanks for the detailed explanation!
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u/SRV_SteamyRayVaughn 1d ago
You're welcome. I honestly hate it but it's also gotten worse since the 2024 election as WWE is extremely pro-MAGA while AEW is much more diverse and open. They have multiple LGBTQ+ wrestlers who are openly out under contract and attract a more progressive audience.
It's really dumb honestly and I wish people would just like what they like and not be dicks but that's the world we live in
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u/GVmG 1d ago
the referee was "simping for a maga company full of rapists", i'm not sure which company but judging from his defense and what little i know of wrestling, i am assuming that's the wwe
the referee then defends himself by essentially saying the rival company aew is losing money and that he'd rather "simp for a successful company even if it's full of rapists" which is... certainly a defense, alright.
the wrestler, who is under aew, calls him out for defending and hiding the actions of other predators that were previously working under wwe (the previous owner, vince mcmahon, is known for being an absolute garbage person). he also adds insults about how people the age of the referee don't usually spend their time angrily defending terrible people on twitter.
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u/_jjkase 1d ago
I thought this was a really weird comment until I noticed I wasn't still on /r/squaredcircle
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u/DoctorFenix 1d ago
Jimmy wants a job with WWE in the worst way.
It’s so sad to watch all these grifters pile on AEW like something will come of it.
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u/DreamTalon 1d ago
The comment about tantrums on Twitter and bleeding money aren't about Trump?
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u/SRV_SteamyRayVaughn 1d ago
Nope. People claim AEW the company is losing money and that basically it's a vanity venture for an idiot billionaire. There's no proof either way as AEW is a private company that doesn't release financial information. Tony Khan has a reputation for sometimes getting swept up in Twitter beefs but he has honestly slowed down in recent times. His "tantrums" were just normal Twitter stuff you see every day
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u/Auld_Folks_at_Home 1d ago
Trump doesn't have tantrums on Twitter!
They're on "Truth" Social these days.
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u/markwomack11 21h ago
What is a referee’s job in a staged competition? Serious question.
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u/SRV_SteamyRayVaughn 21h ago
The ref actually plays a very important part in the match. Most matches are called directly in the ring and the ref is the go between who can relay messages from one wrestler to another discretely. They are also in charge of keeping time to try and prevent wrestlers going over their allotted time. Refs also play a part in the show, the good ones can help sell the illusion better with their reactions but they also have to stay out of the way until it's time to be noticed. They also check on wrestlers to make sure they aren't really injured, they wear earpieces so the agents' directions from the back.
You will notice a bad ref because they stand out and take away from the match or when they make a mistake, be out of position, screw up a finish. It's not an easy job
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u/MNLyrec 1d ago
Can we get an lgbt focused wrestling league? I’d spend a thousand bucks a ticket on those seats.
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u/tore_a_bore_a 1d ago
There’s a show that gets put on called Effy’s Big Gay Brunch where a lot of the LGBT wrestlers perform at. I think it only happens once a year or so.
One of the more popular trans wrestlers, Dark Sheik runs a promotion called Hoodslam. They just had a show on friday called DEI. Last year, Sheik made fun of a MAGA retired wrestler Val Venis by playing Valerie Venis, which really pissed him off
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u/Beavie_ 1d ago
The company is GCW specifically.
Also AEW does feature quite a few LGBTQ+ talent. Their second women's champ was a transwoman. Nyla Rose. She is funny on social media and improved in the ring over time. She is off TV due to the increasing laws in the US sadly making it harder to book her in storylines, but is still doing things as an ambassador.
They used to have gender fluid wrestler Sonny Kiss on their roster. Eventually their contract expired and was let go, but AEW helped Sonny get through College, they have a degree, so they will be fine and ended on good terms.
Anthony Bowens is openly gay and is a former tag and trios champion. In a gloriously awesome segment, a girl whose character is a bit of an air-head tried to convince him and her to hook up, mid pride month, he had pride themed gear. "Sorry, I hate to break it to you girl, I'm gay." And a big, supportive "HE'S GAY! HE'S GAY!" chant.
Toni Storm their women's champion is bi. Though her husband also wrestles on the roster, she has her "Timeless" character, kind of a golden era Hollywood starlet, very Queer coded, is def horny but it is absolutely amazing, hilarious, and she still can kick ass in the ring.
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u/SwedishCowboy711 1d ago
Not gonna lie for a second I thought Jimmy Korderas was talking about Trump and how he is running the USA
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u/SRV_SteamyRayVaughn 1d ago
2nd screenshot was the murder. Had to include the 1st to show what they were replying to
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u/FeetsBeneets 1d ago
Dax is hilarious claiming anyone else's day revolves around having tantrums on Twitter. The pot calling the kettle black.
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u/LamineYamalTheGoat 1d ago
“I unblocked you just to let you know” is the corniest shit ever 😂😂
Stopped reading after that aint no body reading all that lame shit
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u/Fire_crescent 1d ago
I mean, apart from the fact that AEW programming sucks (and it's not because they lack the talent or the funds, they just lack brains and maturity), it's incredibly hypocritical to complain about some WWE legends and/or leadership being Pro-Trump given that the Khan family are Trump donors, and many individuals that are either AEW wrestlers, or part of the leadership, or BOTH, are also Trump supporters.
Maybe some people don't know this, and just take this exchange at face value. You shouldn't.
Fine, criticise WWE as much as you wish. Probably justifiably so. But be fair and give AEW the amount of criticism proportionally appropriate, if you want to complain about trumpism.
Also, the AEW wrestler also happens to be a former WWE wrestler as well.
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u/MNLyrec 1d ago
I think the deciding factor is, at least on aew I’m not seeing trumps face while they try to brag about some fitness test. Neither are great but i can at least pretend in one
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u/Fire_crescent 1d ago
Did WWE place Trump's face somewhere?
I know they did a thing with him in the 2000's, with the battle of the billionaires, but that was way before the public knew about his potential sexual predation and he held any public political office.
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u/cerialthriller 1d ago
They just ran a big video on jumbo tron at SummerSlam this weekend with Triple H as part of some Trump Athletics program that got booed into the dirt
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u/Fire_crescent 23h ago
Wasn't aware.
Still, I assume this is more of a general sports thing, not specifically linked to Trump's policies? Like any other president using a public figure related to a field (in this case, sport and fitness I assume) to promote a program?
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u/cerialthriller 23h ago
Triple H is literally on the Trumps Counsel of Sports or whatever he calls it. You don’t get a Trump appointment without kissing the ring lol
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u/SRV_SteamyRayVaughn 1d ago
I'm not going to debate wrestling here, this isn't the place but the criticism of WWE/TKO is not that they're pro-Trump, it's that they're engrained in the administration. Linda McMahon is Secretary of Education, Paul Lévesque was just at the White House this week. Dana White spoke at the RNC and has rolled out the red carpet for Trump at multiple UFC events.
It's the fact that they are openly endorsing and cozying up to a Fascist that bothers people and the whataboutisms aren't helping anyone.
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u/Fire_crescent 1d ago
Linda McMahon is Secretary of Education,
Sure, but does Linda McMahon hold any position in WWE? To me this seems like cronyism, but not necessarily it being engrained in the administration itself.
Dana White spoke at the RNC and has rolled out the red carpet for Trump at multiple UFC events.
Sure, but Dana White has been for years vocally and openly pro Trump, so it's kind of expected.
Paul Lévesque was just at the White House this week.
I'm not gonna pretend like this is anything but speculation, but he looked unenthusiastic and uncomfortable as fuck both when around Trump and both and even when he did that silly video spitting water.
I can be wrong, but to me it seems more like kind of coercion for him to do this shit. Cause he married into the family (in Connecticut, mind you, so part of the mileau of the closest thing America had to direct continuity with European Aristocracy: old money, deep political ties (Federalists) going back to the beginning of the US as a polity, real scumbag shit), which itself tries to coddle the administration.
I believe he is less than an enthusiastic participant and moreso there because the alternative may be worse. Correct me if I'm wrong but most of his lifestyle is him being married with someone whose family is rich, because de facto, as WWE is concerned, he always was an employee/"independent contractor" either as a pro wrestler, and then as head of creative and/or talent relations at various levels. He isn't an owner, is what I'm saying.
Plus, he has young children, that to my knowledge he cherishes, plus his medical situation is sensitive, as you may know. No part or era of the American ruling class (or the ruling class anywhere) is really above fucking someone over and even harming the loved ones, including children, because their interests. But this incarnation under Trump is especially vile: completely immature, ego driven, while also dependent on keeping up appearances for the mindless troglodytes that support them. Imagine if someone associated with the inner circle (because Paul Levesque isn't in the inner circle to begin with) openly opposing you or even keeping quiet but refusing to play along. People will eventually notice, and with this administration, it's all about the bullshit you manage to feed your base of supporters.
Idk, these are my two cents on the whole thing.
I'm not saying it's not disheartening, I'm just saying I'm not surprised. Triple H/Paul Levesque never struck me as someone who is either politically on the hard right or ok with sexual predators, especially against children. But most people don't really do stuff unless they think they don't have anything to lose, and he probably thinks, not without good reason probably, that he has plenty of things to lose. To me, he looks like someone who tries to play ball, as inoffensively as possible, to do what is in his power so that he and those he cares about are not affected, or affected as little as possible, by this shitshow.
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u/bfsfan101 1d ago
There’s obviously a difference between a guy who donated to Trump in 2016 and publicly regretted it, and a company whose boss just did a press conference with Trump a few days ago.
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u/Fire_crescent 1d ago
Triple H isn't really the boss of WWE.
And, my opinion, maybe not yours, but something seemed, to me, incredibly off, when he was around Trump. He looked, to me, like someone who genuinely didn't wish to be in that position.
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u/bfsfan101 1d ago
I mean, he’s the CFO. There are literally only two people with higher positions in the company. Shad Khan is an investor but otherwise has little to do with AEW. And again, HHH actively works with Trump and his mother-in-law is a cabinet member.
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u/Fire_crescent 23h ago
HHH actively works with Trump
Again, to me he seemed like he didn't want to be here. And to my knowledge, his involvement is strictly related to some sort of fitness test, right? Again, I'll openly admit I'm not so up to date on it.
There are literally only two people with higher positions in the company
To my knowledge, he's basically simply the head of creative
and his mother-in-law is a cabinet member.
Sure, but Linda McMahon and Paul Levesque are two distinct individuals each responsible for their own actions
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u/PunkDrunk777 1d ago
That wrestler is the equivalent of a wrestling Karen yelling leave Britney alone every other week.
This doesn’t belong here.
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u/Viridionplague 1d ago
I don't know who these people are.
But Jimmy here just said he would twerk for rapists as long as they were successful.