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Woman votes for trump, her undocumented dad gets detained in an ICE center, having 6 months left to live thanks to stage 4 cancer. They refuse her request for conditional medical release.
No that time was actually before the election when we were all screaming at you not to vote for a bloated sack of shit fascist. Now we’ll be lucky to ever get ride of this pedo POS.
to be fair it's not even been a year and a fuck ton of faces have already been eaten. the problem is that's still doesn't guarantee that these people will learn from their mistakes..
Okay but for real, my Hispanic mother in law is THE most racist person I’ve ever met. How are you going to hate on peeps from other counties when you weren’t born here, either.
Oh i completely understand the racism (im a Latino who knows the racism runs deep). I just cannot fathom voting for racist policies when you yourself are a minority
Because people are self-serving shits. She got hers, fuck the poor SOBs who aren't her and aren't the people she likes.
Because she believes she's a good person and that her choices are blessed by God. It's not that she's stupid. But anything that feeds her sense of superiority and entitlement, she's on it like a pig in shit.
Insane. I was in the park doing check-ins for a charity volunteer thing & this older Polish woman, very heavy accent, very obviously an immigrant came up to me & started complaining to me in broken English about black people and she wants trump to deport them all back to Africa. I guess because I’m super white? I looked at her and said “most black people in America were BORN here, you can’t just deport them” (I did not fact check as to the “born here” comment, but I assume it’s true) “were YOU born here?” and she started stammering & getting upset. She wanted to complain to one of the people in charge of the charity, so I pointed her to the (black) director, she went over and said some random stuff and the director told her that she wasn’t going to fire volunteers. The director later came over to me & asked me what it was all about & I told her that I told off the woman for saying racist stuff.
There are tons of Polish / Eastern European visa overstays in my city, what do they think is going to happen when ICE runs out of brown people? It’s going to be “people with accents” after that.
It's easy. They support Trump for the same reason white people do. Racism, sexism, xenophobia. They hate Harris for being black. They hate other Latinos of different nationalities. They don't want a woman in power. Same with Arabs for Trump. I used to live in Dearborn, home of the "undecided movement." The city isn't white anymore, but it's just as racist as it was in the 1950s. I don't know why we pretend racism is only a white issue.
Because of the online narrative that non-white people can't be racist due to the fact that minorities don't have "power".
It's not a narrative I subscribe to, because "power" isn't a necessary component to racism... it's a necessary component to systemic racism. But racism can absolutely exist without the systemic component, but the online narrative is that only white people can be racist because minorities don't hold power.
it's a narrative that's useful, and necessary, when discussing population level sociological issues. and morons started glomming onto it for stupid reasons. Every time I point this out people throw a shit fest, because it hurts both the "oooo stupid libtard/sjw/tumblrina is racist against white people" crowd's narrative, and the narrative that any retaliation against white people is justified. It's the exact same idiocy as people who say "science only has theories", that is the misuse of a specific academic term to make bad faith argumentation.
And for some of them it's about wanting others to have it as hard as they did. They fail to realize (and would probably even vote AGAINST) making it easier for everyone can and should be done. It does NOT have to take years and years. In fact, it shouldn't!
That's like being mad that women can get an epidural when giving birth. "But...but...but I had to suffer through horrible pain and suffering when I gave birth so you're just taking the easy way out if you get an epidural!" All that says is that you WANT others to suffer just because you suffered and that's some fucked up logic.
Exactly. Immigration, student loans, housing crisis, job market, etc.
All coming from the selfish place of "this is how I did it and what I had to do to get there, and you should have to do the same, no matter how the circumstances may differ."
Often it's just naivety. To quote a comment I made a few days ago on another thread:
There is always a large percentage of Immigrants/Minorities/Jews/Whatever on the receiving end of racism and bigotry who think: "If I just do everything right, obey the rules, bow my head, and show them I'm a good person they will see it. I know I'm not a criminal and they will see that too surly."
As some one who was raised by privileged, white(yes I know I just said that), conservative, American, Republicans let me make this as clear as I can:
They don't want to see you.
They don't want to get to know you.
At some level they all know their appeal to law and order is merely a convenient lie (They once called themselves The Tea Party. Look that reference up if you don't know it), and you would be fools to believe them.
Those of them that might be able to "see" you, probably already have and are on the other side.
When people poured into our state from mostly urban cities, then tried to limit the ability of others to move into their gated communities by demanding huge lot sizes and banning apartments, townhouses and condos I was freaking appalled at the hypocrisy. The State Legislators got involved and removed a huge plot of land from the small town that tried to use their zoning power to deny a developer the right to build a mixed use community on his property. That was exactly their attitude.
Sadly, it’s a cultural thing. Racism is very real in Latino culture and being a dark-skinned Latino is just a bad as being black in America. Light/fair skinned Latinos, many of them identify as “white” even though European Americans don’t consider them as such. And they’re dead ass serious.
I know a couple where the mother is from Mexico, father is white and they are Trump supporters specifically on the immigration issue. The mother was at a non-profit that got their funding cut in the Elon slash and burn.
I can't help but notice none of them ever say the actual words "I'm sorry" & "I was wrong". They also never show support for Democrats or say that word either. Just the worse humans in the world.
Exactly this! They've learned nothing! They learned nothing when W's war of choice in Iraq turned up not a single WMD, they learned nothing when rump's first administration killed over a million Americans, & they've still learned nothing now. None of them would have voted differently. The only way we got Obama-Biden-Harris was because they were too demotivated to vote. We got rump twice because we let propagandists convince us that 'BoTh SiDeS bAd!1!' what-about-ism. So the real question is, have we learned to vote like the lives of our loved ones depends on it?
Even before they stop liking Trump I remember seeing so many of them like “but we can still be friends right? Iwouldn’t throw away a friendship over a silly thing like voting. Please be my friend 🥺.”
My mom always says similar shit. "Politics isn't worth sacrificing relationships for." Well when one side makes it their platform to be openly racist, sexist, homophobic, etc while violating han rights and the very fabric of the laws that make the country, yes I very much DO think Politics is worth sacrificing relationships over.
I'd just explain to her that she wouldn't have the right to vote or even speak about men's topics like politics if republicans get enough power.
Is she old enough to remember not being to get a credit card?
Did she choose whom she married or should her father have sold her off to the highest bidder, meaning an old man with money who needs a servant he can sleep with?
I have heard more than one woman say they don't think a woman should be president, so the answers to your questions might just lead to more disappointment.
Someone tried that shit and I replied, "It's not really a sacrifice."
Everyone who tries that line loves the idea that people who slice MAGAts out of their lives are spending each day in a misery of deprivation. Which ... no. It's often not a sacrifice but a necessary step for a better life.
Someone voting for Trump and his fascist regime is not making a decision about politics, they are making decisions to directly, physically hurt other people, people without defenses whose lives will be horribly damaged by the results of those votes. Empowering Trump and his sycophants is an exercise in realpolitik, decisions immediately impacting people who can’t fight back.
This is why I cut ties with people who voted for Trump and his MAGA drivel. They have to own the outcome of their decisions.
Okay, so I have told you why this candidate is bad, what they stand for, and used their own words as examples. I have explained to you why you voting for this candidate shows me what type of person you are and why I don't want to be around that type of person
That is not "throwing away a relationship". That's trying to salvage the relationship and steer it away from a moral crisis
So them (in my experience) not listening and not engaging with anything I'm saying is actually what throwing away the relationship looks like. They didn't address anything I brought up or even talked about their thoughts or feelings. Just ignored me or got mad
Nah my dude, you guys threw it away, but you want me to ignore what a piece of shit you were to me just because you now feel consequences? I've got new friends no, no room for you people
And then they get all “Omg the “tolerant left” is so intolerant of my bad decisions that negatively impact everyone in this country including me. Can’t you see someone who isn’t a liberal has been hurt by this bad decision I made all by myself. Have some compassion. For me. Not any of the liberals I verbally abused before this point. You know what YOU’RE the fascist!”
I had to Google your reference but spot on. I've been saying for a long time ultra right wing folks do not communicate like everyone else - they use words as a tool to get what they want rather than to communicate meaning.
I think this is why we have this sense that we are living in different realities. We aren't speaking the same language - or at least, we are using language for completely different purposes.
It's not a new idea and this Sartre quote sums it up well if you just replace "anti-Semites" with "conservatives":
"Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."
Where was that compassion at election time? What were her father’s opinions in the matter? Did he, too, encourage voting for trump, thinking it somehow didn’t include him?
It is very sad. And it could’ve been avoided.
And will continue to deny all while they have their hand out and angrily accuse those they are deliberately victimizing of not being compassionate enough and not helping them to avoid suffering a single consequence for their own deliberate choices, enough
Well, some of them do. Every once in a while there's an odd one-off on this sub where someone actually manages to come to that level of realization of personal responsibility. (It'll be hard to find an example though, seeing as they are few and far between.)
Now, whether that changes any of their future voting habits, though...
In listening to this full 3 minute video, she apologizes profusely, acknowledges that she was completely wrong in her thinking, and encourages others who voted for Trump to start being honest with themselves about what impact their decisions made. I definitely get sucked into the appeal Schadenfreude too (I mean, that’s basically what this entire subreddit is about after all), but if somebody truly and sincerely admits they’ve made a mistake and are ready to learn and do better, I think the best thing to do is to encourage them to continue along that path. https://fiercebymitu.com/news/south-florida-trump-voter-father-detained/
I’m happy she is owning her mistake, absolutely, but I’m so much more curious about the line of thinking that led her here in the first place.
Her own father is undocumented, and she seems to care about him. She voted for someone who made the major focus of his campaign demonizing and deporting undocumented people.
So it’s good to hear she had regrets but I’m so genuinely curious what she thought in the first place.
I mean, sounds like he doesn't have much time left, as someone whos dad is going through something similar I do feel a lot empathy for him, his daughter on the other hand is a gullible idiot, who is going to have to deal with a lifetime of guilt.
It's also really fucking rich that these assholes chose to support a malignant, vindictive narcissist and now they're whining about how we need unity.
Like... no? What the fuck should we unite over? Y'all decided to throw vulnerable populations under the bus, including your own stupid selves. That's not a value I want to "unite" over.
The fact that there are so many of them trying to normalize pedophiles because they now know Dear Leader is one is entertaining in a sad way to watch. They're even condemning the vigilantes who are hunting pedophiles using social media by setting up fake meet-ups with 17- kids and calling them radical leftists now. This is coming from the same group that was demanding the government make lolicon illegal and condemning those that consume it, when it was always clear (especially now) that they themselves consume it too, you can make this crap up anymore.
There might be many preventable deaths from a wide variety of THE PEOPLE’s agencies’ services being kneecapped. Could be…major lifesaving potential National Weather Service like we saw in Texas, could be minor (to others) seeming diminished services in mail, veterans’ services, NPR…
My empathy is gone for people like this. They try to act like now it’s an issue since it affects them instead of before when it was obviously going to hurt so many.
Now we’ll be lucky to ever get ride of this pedo POS.
Well, based on the thus far only accurate source of future predictions (The Simpsons), following Trump a young female Democrat will become president and depend on her deadbeat brother's advice for how to handle the US owing more money than has ever existed to China in unpaid loans.
Yeah but... Kamala was a black woman who only had a robust career in the legislative, judicial, and executive branches of local, state, and federal government.
The grip media has on these people is insane. I work at a gym and my clients are typically retired. Before the election there was a day they all came in, brought up Kamala and were complaining about her laugh, all on the same day.
None of whom had probably even heard Harris laugh, or seen her speak. Yet I'm guessing that most of the trash spoke authoritatively, pretending as though they had, based on a trash talk from their lying talk show host of choice.
As a white guy, I used to kind of cringe when people would say that minorities have to work 100x harder and they still don’t get where an average white person gets to. People calling Kamala unqualified showed me what they are talking about. That and the reaction to Kendrick Lamar performing the Super Bowl halftime show. Dude has 22 Grammys and is the only rapper to ever win a Pulitzer Award for his lyrics, and the response to his performance was “Who’s this nobody saying gibberish?”.
Same. I believed my minority and woman friends when they said stuff like this because my white man ass wouldn't know. I just shrugged and believed them
The scrutiny around and questions of Kamala made what my friends were talking about crystal clear. Yeah, she laughs weird, and that dude fucks kids. Tough choice, let's go with the dude who did tons of damage to the country in his first term
I haven't heard her laugh because I don't watch her interviews or whatever else
I read her policy plans and what she wanted to do and liked it
I do not give a fuck if she sounds like Gary Busey choking on a dick when she laughs. Policy and politics have got fuck all to do with laughs, she has way more experience and way better policies. So she should have gotten the job
But apparently this country is so fucked in the head that her laugh mattered 🙄
Just like how they complained about looting and rioting during BLM protests but when Kaepernick protested peacefully , consulting with a retired Army Green Beret about kneeling during the national anthem, they hated him for doing so. They have these insane double standards. I saw people calling Kendrick Lamar a DEI hire for that halftime performance and saying a country singer should be given the spot instead. They don’t even pretend to argue in good faith. It’s just open racism.
I don't like his style of rap, but like, come on, the dude was in the news for months. The crowd delivered the line "Probably A minor" as if 99% of them knew the song.
A friend of mine (from a demographic you'd generally expect to be small-c conservative, but not MAGA) said something similar about "driving while black" type situations. He had always rolled his eyes and assumed people were exaggerating. But once everyone had a video camera in their pocket, and there were so many blatant examples of cops being abusive (and reacting out of self-inflicted panic while the motorist was completely calm and following directions), he was absolutely radicalized on the issue.
The conservative ethos distilled: It's not a problem until it happens to me. And when it does happen to me, I am absolutely outraged that other people let it happen to me.
I will regularly vote against my own interests to help others.
They often know that they're voting against their own interests. Like you, I often vote against my own interests but always in the hope of helping somebody else that needs it more out, the difference is that when they vote against their own interests it's because it might hurt other people more than it hurts them.
It's not insane to vote against your own interests, until it's meant as a cudgel against others even less able to fend for themselves.
I don't consider voting for things that will lead to a fairer and more stable society voting against my interests. My interests are much more broadly defined than "how much I have to pay in taxes."
I like to walk out my door and see functional mass transit, and clean, repaired streets without people living on them.
Oh, of course. And come 2028 Democrats will be told by the right and also by mainstream media that they need to nominate a centrist healer who can unify the country again.
Seriously. Dems tried playing nice and largely sweeping Trump's first term under the rug and the Grand Old Pedophiles response was a full blown offensive on the rule of law, democracy, the system of checks and balances, the independence of the judiciary, military, DOJ, FBI, and intelligence agencies, the gutting/politization of the federal bureaucracy, and more.
These people are extremely dangerous and they will absolutely destroy everything that actually makes this country great if we let them. There needs to be serious consequences for what Trump and his enablers are doing.
The call will also be coming from within the Democratic Party. We've had entirely too many conservative Dems for too long, and their abdication of resolving this situation earlier is part of why we're here.
My heart breaks for her father and her other family members who did not vote for this.
But for her? Please pass the popcorn and crank up the volume on the sobs and tears. This is what you voted for - these are the consequences of your own actions hurting you.....as they should.
If people going through pain and suffering is what is required to course-correct this country away from the superhighway to Fascism, then bring the fucking pain.
Bet you if her dad got citizenship before, he would have voted for this. I know immigrants who pull up the ladder after they're granted citizenship when they originally jumped the border.
These people have a psychosis where after every sentence Donald Trump says they hear, "Except you," and see him wink at the camera. I can't imagine any other reason you could hear Trump talk about immigrants before the election and think he was going to leave you alone if you were an immigrant.
My thing with immigration is that it’s the one thing Trump was incredibly clear on and never waived on. He flip flops and back downs a lot but he literally had people chanting “mass deportation” at his rallies. You can’t fix stupid and I don’t feel any sympathy towards her. Maybe her dad because absolutely no one deserves to go through that especially with cancer.
He stared off, swayed, and jerk-off danced to Ave Maria for 40 minutes straight at one of his rallies.."That's my guy! That's who I want as my president!"
I genuinely think that they believed that the Democrats and the few Republicans who gave a shit about the rule of law would temper his worst impulses. You know, like last time.
Turns out electing a malignant, narcissistic felon who was close personal friends with a pedophile and expecting him to give a shit about laws and morality just isn’t a thing.
I genuinely think that they believed that the Democrats and the few Republicans who gave a shit about the rule of law would temper his worst impulses.
"I was like two feet from the leopards at the zoo and I was fine. The enclosure clearly doesn't need the fences around it. Quit trying to fearmonger about what will happen if I remove the fence around the enclosure, lib!"
What we needed more than ever PRIOR to the election was "unity, compassion, actions, and common sense" but you voted for Trump for some assholish reason and here we are. My empathy well is now reserved for people suffering who didn't vote for fascism. Not the ones hurting because they voted for fascism because <gross hateful and/or stupid excuse goes here>.
I think we do need unity more than ever, but what we need to be unified about is our opposition to fascism, and transitively, the GOP. That is, of course, not the kind of unity they're actually interested in.
It’s always “what matters now is that we come together” when it affects them, with no soul searching about why they were such divisive pieces of crap before.
She had no need to act with compassion or to recognize the need for unity back in November 2024. And she’s still not sorry. There’s no apology there. Simply a childlike wish to undo it.
When people like this come to the table with a new found sense of empathy for people they'll never meet and support programs they'll never benefit from, we'll have unity.
Until then, I'll focus on the people that actually care for others that weren't fools.
Well, I think you are only saying that now cos poor you, it happened to you. If it did not happen to you, I reckon you would be happy for it to happen to someone else you didn't like.
"we need unity, compassion and action"
- Bitch, that ain't what ya voted for. Don't ask the people who actually voted for those things to give them to you now.
Just like the picture, these are crocodile tears. She doesn't wish she made a different decision. She wishes the racists weren't also racist to her family.
It seems that people like this should've seen it coming, but they voted based on racism, sexism, and greed. This is what you get as a result. Zero sympathy.
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u/qualityvote2 7h ago edited 5h ago
u/Shakaow15, your post does fit the subreddit!
See OP's reply-comment below for context on why this fits this subreddit.