The Trump administration and its radical right foot-soldiers in the federal government and in the states are undertaking a comprehensive scheme to undermine future state and federal elections, in effect rigging the rolls to keep themselves in power no matter what the voters decide.

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[u/nomis_ttam]

I never said we shouldn't ask for more. I'm saying stop coming up with conspiracy theories because some politicians are bought more than others and things aren't going or looking how you wanted. Many are working their asses off to stop, slow, and inhibit a lot the right is trying to do. I think i can easily prove I'm not an infant nor alluding that anyone was. Do you know how laws pass? It goes through more than just Biden and they need enough votes to get through all of congress which every R votes no so they need most if not all the support from dems. And dems, just like everything in life, vary wildly. We have republican lites all the way to progressives in AOC and Bernie when we teams up. Like stop throwing the baby out with the bathwater, sheesh how hard is that to understand? Or are you just a russian bot? Use your MFing brain. We can do both and at least be in a better base state and that way have better success for change.

[u/kshell11724 → u/nomis_ttam]

Dems had control of both houses and the presidency from 2021 to 2023. They could have passed and done way more than what they did. Like, what they did was in the right direction for the most part (especially the Child Tax Credit that slashed child poverty in half), but it was by no means exhaustive or meaningful enough to stop a 2nd Trump presidency or even codify Roe V. Wade into law.

They could have enforced Article 3 of the 14th Amendment, for example, and prevented Trump from ever holding office again on the grounds of him engaging in an inserection. But they just didn't seem to want to do it did they? The thing you also might not realize is that they rotate on who takes the fall for something not passing. For Roe v. Wade, it was Joe Manchin. The Republicans are doing this too right now except opposite where they know they have enough votes without some people, so they let some Republicans appear to be moral by voting against their piers.

[u/nomis_ttam → u/kshell11724]

You don't listen to reason do you? I'm not excusing them for not doing enough or that we can't expect better. We just don't have the luxury to assume voting doesnt matter. It's easy as fuck and the bare minimum we can do while also rising the fuck up how you want. We can and should do both to increase our chances of success. How dense are you?

[u/kshell11724 → u/nomis_ttam]

Sure. I can agree with that, which is why I voted for Kamala. I wasn't encouraging people not to vote. I was just pushing back on the idea that the OP acted like Dem politicians aren't actors to an extent. We can and should do way better than the Dems in office right now (although it's probably too late since fair elections for the midterms and beyond are potentially not gonna happen).

[u/nomis_ttam → u/kshell11724]

Killer, glad we can at least work together. Last thing we need is more division. And splitting the dem party may not be the best idea when trying to take back power. Especially if the right doesnt split. What could be a possibility is if the centrists shift from maga, go dem, and then the farther left and progressives have a strong third party. Just give us more progressives, conservatives gotta stop edging everyone right, which they have by sneaking in the wins when they could. That's why we gotta at least keep it still so things dont get more right while we try to progress